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Please do not modify it. Use the <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal" title="Wikidata:Property proposal">current page</a>, even to continue an old discussion. </td></tr></tbody></table> This archive page is full. Use <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/49" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/49">Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/49</a> or subsequent ones. The previous archive page is <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/47" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/47">Wikidata:Property proposal/Archive/47</a>. <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#British_Film_Institute_identifier">1 British Film Institute identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#EIDR_identifier">2 EIDR identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Karate_Records_ID">3 Karate Records ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Encyclopaedia_Metallum_release_ID">4 Encyclopaedia Metallum release ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Deezer_artist_ID">5 Deezer artist ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#Deezer_album_ID">6 Deezer album ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Deezer_track_ID">7 Deezer track ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#GOG_application_ID">8 GOG application ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#CageMatch_worker_ID">9 CageMatch worker ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Projeto_Excelências_ID">10 Projeto Excelências ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Persée_author_ID">11 Persée author ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Persée_journal_ID">12 Persée journal ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#UNZ_author_identifier">13 UNZ author identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#UNZ_journal_identifier">14 UNZ journal identifier</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#disjoint_union_of">15 disjoint union of</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#voting_system">16 voting system</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#target_interest_rate">17 target interest rate</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#consumption_rate_per_capita">18 consumption rate per capita</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#tier_1_capital_ratio_(CETI)">19 tier 1 capital ratio (CETI)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#sales_figues_(units_sold)">20 sales figues (units sold)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#central_government_revenue">21 central government revenue</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#corresponding_template">22 corresponding template</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#stability_of_value_of_property">23 stability of value of property</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#number_of_rooms">24 number of rooms</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#artistic_technique/art_technique">25 artistic technique/art technique</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#replies_to">26 replies to</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#rating_certificate_ID">27 rating certificate ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#relative_position_within_image">28 relative position within image</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#TV.com_ID">29 TV.com ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#Russiancinema.ru_film_ID">30 Russiancinema.ru film ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#author_of_preface/foreword/introduction_in_a_book">31 author of preface/foreword/introduction in a book</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#author_of_postface/afterword/conclusion_in_a_book">32 author of postface/afterword/conclusion in a book</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#Copyright_status">33 Copyright status</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#german_Filmportal-ID">34 german Filmportal-ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#is_recto_of">35 is recto of</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Kijkwijzer_rating">36 Kijkwijzer rating</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Proportion_of_alcohol">37 Proportion of alcohol</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Datasets">38 Datasets</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-39"><a href="#Examples">38.1 Examples</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-40"><a href="#AAT">38.1.1 AAT</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-41"><a href="#GND">38.1.2 GND</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-42"><a href="#Data_Model">38.2 Data Model</a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-43"><a href="#dataset">38.2.1 dataset</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-44"><a href="#distribution_(dataset)">38.2.2 distribution (dataset)</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-45"><a href="#file_format">38.2.3 file format</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-46"><a href="#data_access_protocol">38.2.4 data access protocol</a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-47"><a href="#URL">38.2.5 URL</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-48"><a href="#Discussion_of_Dataset_properties">38.3 Discussion of Dataset properties</a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Datahub_page">39 Datahub page</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#Carnegie_Classification_of_Institutions_of_Higher_Education">40 Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#CRICOS_Provider_Code">41 CRICOS Provider Code</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#partnership">42 partnership</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#Estyn_ID">43 Estyn ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-54"><a href="#FIFA_World_Ranking">44 FIFA World Ranking</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-55"><a href="#EU_transparency_register_ID">45 EU transparency register ID</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-56"><a href="#ISO_9362_SWIFT/BIC_code">46 ISO 9362 SWIFT/BIC code</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-57"><a href="#reference_number_for_a_German_tax_authority">47 reference number for a German tax authority</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-58"><a href="#proportional_representation_number">48 proportional representation number</a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-59"><a href="#revenue">49 revenue</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="British_Film_Institute_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-British_Film_Institute_identifier-2016-03-10T10:53:00.000Z">British Film Institute identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r2262253935">.mw-parser-output .property-navibox{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);border:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1)}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{background:var(--background-color-progressive-subtle,#f1f4fd);outline:3px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1);padding:4px}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:right;margin:0}body.rtl .mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links{float:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li{display:inline;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:after{display:inline;content:" – "}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-links li:last-child:after{content:none}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main{overflow-x:auto}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox table{display:table;overflow-x:visible}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main tr{vertical-align:text-top}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="ltr"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-right:1em;text-align:left}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox[dir="rtl"] .property-navibox-main th{padding-left:1em;text-align:right}@media(max-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-header{display:flex;flex-direction:column-reverse}.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>td,.mw-parser-output .property-navibox-main>table>tbody>tr>th{display:block}}</style><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2703" title="Property:P2703">BFI National Archive work ID</a> (P2703) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2703" title="Property talk:P2703">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for films, television programs, audio recordings and related documents at the BFI</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q260528" title="Q260528">British Film Institute</a> (Q260528)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Mainly <a href="/wiki/Q11424" title="Q11424">film (Q11424)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q15416" title="Q15416">television program (Q15416)</a>, but also audio recordings and documents</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>[1-9][0-9]*</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q180279" title="Q180279">Never Say Never Again (Q180279)</a> → 2654</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bfi.org.uk/">http://www.bfi.org.uk/</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The BFI is a widely known and important source. They are also interested in matching items in their database to Wikidata, which this property will facilitate <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T10:53:00.000Z-British_Film_Institute_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Question Is there a formatter URL? And where exactly on the site can you find these IDs? The site's database seems to use a different kind of ID in the URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b69589d6e">http://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b69589d6e</a>. – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2016-03-10T16:20:00.000Z-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T10:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Some related discussion at: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Property_for_British_Film_Institute_URL" title="Wikidata:Project chat">Wikidata:Project_chat#Property_for_British_Film_Institute_URL</a> --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-03-10T18:25:00.000Z-Máté-2016-03-10T16:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>: As mentioned in the discussion linked above, there is no formatter url at present but I'm going to find out if they are interested in setting up a new structure (probably a long shot, but worth a go). As you mentioned, the codes in the url are not related to the id numbers. You can get to these pages via the BFI's <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/search/simple">database search page</a>, but I'm trying to arrange a mass export from the BFI that could be uploaded to mix'n'match. <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T22:01:00.000Z-Jura1-2016-03-10T18:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans"><bdi>NavinoEvans</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done, no objections. Of course it would be great, if the BFI could implement a way to automatically link to their information page, but just recording the ID for now is useful as well. ---<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-04T19:35:00.000Z-British_Film_Institute_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau"><bdi>Srittau</bdi></a>: Thanks very much indeed for this and the EIDR property below :) <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-04-05T23:07:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-04-04T19:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:07, 5 April 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support useful for connecting worldwide film networks, such as <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.europeanfilmgateway.eu">EFG</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://filmstandards.org/fsc/index.php/Main_Page">CEN</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Queryzo" title="User:Queryzo">Queryzo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Queryzo" title="User talk:Queryzo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Queryzo-2016-04-05T20:50:00.000Z-British_Film_Institute_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 5 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="EIDR_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-EIDR_identifier-2016-03-10T11:37:00.000Z">EIDR identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2704" title="Property:P2704">EIDR content ID</a> (P2704) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2704" title="Property talk:P2704">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a film or television program, in the Entertainment Identifier Registry</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5323129" title="Q5323129">Entertainment Identifier Registry</a> (Q5323129)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11424" title="Q11424">film (Q11424)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q15416" title="Q15416">television program (Q15416)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>10\.5240/([0-9A-Z]{4}-){5}[A-Z]</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q180279" title="Q180279">Never Say Never Again (Q180279)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://ui.eidr.org/view/content?id=10.5240/E058-3983-F191-9805-DD81-Q">10.5240/E058-3983-F191-9805-DD81-Q</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://eidr.org/">http://eidr.org/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://ui.eidr.org/view/content?id=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Check for 404 error on target pages</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Very widely used and important identifier. Many other datasets link to EIDR identifiers, so allows error checking and mapping to new datasets <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T11:37:00.000Z-EIDR_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment requested regex added. – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2016-03-10T12:11:00.000Z-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T11:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 10 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment this exists already as <a href="/wiki/Property:P356" title="Property:P356">DOI</a>. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-03-14T16:24:00.000Z-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T11:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: can you elaborate on this a bit? I don't understand how it relates to DOI ? Thanks <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-16T11:30:00.000Z-Jura1-2016-03-14T16:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Sorry I've just read a bit more and I see that it's built on the DOI system. How can the fact it's a DOI help us navigate to the page on EIDR though? It seems to me like we could still benefit a lot from having the EIDR identifier property with url pattern but I may be missing something here. <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-16T11:41:00.000Z-NavinoEvans-2016-03-16T11:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:41, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li>It isn't the job of Wikidata to link to sites but to provide machine-readable data (which can then link it to wherever it wants to), however, this property still may be useful as a <a href="/wiki/Property:P1647" title="Property:P1647">subproperty of (P1647)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Property:P356" title="Property:P356">DOI (P356)</a> partly due to the unique formatter URL that can be associated to EIDR and the more refined regular expression. – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2016-03-16T12:14:00.000Z-NavinoEvans-2016-03-16T11:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Yes, sorry that wasn't a very clear message, I agree that's not Wikidata's role but the ability to link to an external dataset with a url makes it far more useful than having to dig our that info elsewhere - I think having it as a subproperty of the DOI would be the way to go. I should have mentioned in the motivation for this, that it was prompted by my conversations about data imports and Wikidata matching with the BFI, who said how important EIDR identifiers are for them and others (e.g. Amazon and Netflix) who use them widely. <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-16T22:31:00.000Z-Máté-2016-03-16T12:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:31, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Isn't the point of a DOI to have a single one? Eventually Mediawiki should support multiple URLs per property. This could but needn't be applied for EIDR DOIs. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-03-18T09:00:00.000Z-NavinoEvans-2016-03-16T22:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li>Yes I do see your point, I'm sure multiple formats will be supported soon. Anyway, I just checked to see what happens when you add an EIDR code using <a href="/wiki/Property:P356" title="Property:P356">DOI (P356)</a> and it actually auto redirects to the EIDR page from the target page at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://dx.doi.org/">https://dx.doi.org/</a> (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Q180279" title="Q180279">Never Say Never Again (Q180279)</a> ) - Basically everything is perfectly covered with the DOI property as Jura said, so this proposal should be removed now I think <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-18T10:28:00.000Z-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T11:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 18 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>You might reconsider the withdrawal: Just because something works when considered as a DOI it is not automatically semantically one: When I see the DOI I assume it gives me access to the object itself (or some very close surrogate). EIDR Ids however seem not to attemt that, they are DOIs not for the object but rather to an document with an extensive description of the object (metadata consedered as data). So there is a difference between the DOI for that film and its EIDR. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Gymel-2016-03-18T19:47:00.000Z-NavinoEvans-2016-03-10T11:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>+1 (and @<a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans"><bdi>NavinoEvans</bdi></a>:). <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-18T21:33:00.000Z-Gymel-2016-03-18T19:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 18 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Or possibly "described at <a href="/wiki/Q5323129" title="Q5323129">Entertainment Identifier Registry (Q5323129)</a>, qualified by the DOI? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-18T21:34:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-18T21:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 18 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel"><bdi>Gymel</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: +1 for reviving this one for consideration. I hadn't realised the EIDR, DOI distinction, but that does make sense. It looks like Andy's suggestion does the trick really, it's just a question of whether its important enough to go one further and get a property. I think it's worth it, but would still be happy with the "described at" approach. <a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans">NavinoEvans</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NavinoEvans" title="User talk:NavinoEvans">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-NavinoEvans-2016-03-21T23:59:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-18T21:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:59, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:NavinoEvans" title="User:NavinoEvans"><bdi>NavinoEvans</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel"><bdi>Gymel</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done as a sub-property of <a href="/wiki/Property:P356" title="Property:P356">DOI (P356)</a>. The additional constraints, validity checks, and documentation possibilities are worth it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-04T20:02:00.000Z-EIDR_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Karate_Records_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Karate_Records_ID-2016-03-12T01:35:00.000Z">Karate Records ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2705" title="Property:P2705">Karate Records ID</a> (P2705) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2705" title="Property talk:P2705">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for karatekas in the Karate Records database</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q23038110" title="Q23038110">Karate Records</a> (Q23038110)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q9017214" title="Q9017214">karateka (Q9017214)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q977616" title="Q977616">Lucie Ignace (Q977616)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.karaterec.com/en/competitors/lucie-ignace">lucie-ignace</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.karaterec.com/en/competitors/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q23038110" title="Q23038110">Karate Records (Q23038110)</a> is the best database for <a href="/wiki/Q11419" title="Q11419">karate (Q11419)</a> results. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-12T01:35:00.000Z-Karate_Records_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support but can we change the en to have the language of Wikidata user (fr for example) ? --<a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tubezlob" title="User talk:Tubezlob">🙋</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Tubezlob-2016-03-16T08:14:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-12T01:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>No, but we can store multiple formatter URLs, with each having a language qualifier. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-16T13:10:00.000Z-Tubezlob-2016-03-16T08:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken">Løken</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:L%C3%B8ken" title="User talk:Løken">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Løken-2016-03-19T12:20:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-12T01:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob"><bdi>Tubezlob</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:L%C3%B8ken" title="User:Løken"><bdi>Løken</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-04T20:26:00.000Z-Karate_Records_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:26, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Encyclopaedia_Metallum_release_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_release_ID-2016-03-13T17:20:00.000Z">Encyclopaedia Metallum release ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2721" title="Property:P2721">Encyclopaedia Metallum release ID</a> (P2721) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2721" title="Property talk:P2721">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a release in the Encyclopaedia Metallum database</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2031291" title="Q2031291">musical release (Q2031291)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1889150" title="Q1889150">Mandylion (Q1889150)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=3349">3349</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.metal-archives.com/">http://www.metal-archives.com/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Similar to <a href="/wiki/Property:P1952" title="Property:P1952">Encyclopaedia Metallum band ID (P1952)</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Numenorean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Numenorean (page does not exist)">Numenorean</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Numenorean" title="User talk:Numenorean">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Numenorean-2016-03-13T17:20:00.000Z-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_release_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:29:00.000Z-Numenorean-2016-03-13T17:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Numenorean&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Numenorean (page does not exist)"><bdi>Numenorean</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T18:20:00.000Z-Encyclopaedia_Metallum_release_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Deezer_artist_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deezer_artist_ID-2016-03-16T08:00:00.000Z">Deezer artist ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2722" title="Property:P2722">Deezer artist ID</a> (P2722) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2722" title="Property talk:P2722">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for an artist on Deezer</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q639669" title="Q639669">musician (Q639669)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q93341" title="Q93341">Miles Davis (Q93341)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deezer.com/artist/1910">1910</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.deezer.com/artist/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Usefull like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1902" title="Property:P1902">Spotify artist ID (P1902)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tubezlob" title="User talk:Tubezlob">🙋</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Tubezlob-2016-03-16T08:00:00.000Z-Deezer_artist_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:00, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:28:00.000Z-Tubezlob-2016-03-16T08:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob"><bdi>Tubezlob</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T18:39:00.000Z-Deezer_artist_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:39, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Deezer_album_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deezer_album_ID-2016-03-16T08:04:00.000Z">Deezer album ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2723" title="Property:P2723">Deezer album ID</a> (P2723) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2723" title="Property talk:P2723">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for an album on Deezer</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q482994" title="Q482994">album (Q482994)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q283221" title="Q283221">Kind of Blue (Q283221)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deezer.com/album/521185">521185</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.deezer.com/album/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Usefull like <a href="/wiki/Property:P2205" title="Property:P2205">Spotify album ID (P2205)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tubezlob" title="User talk:Tubezlob">🙋</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Tubezlob-2016-03-16T08:04:00.000Z-Deezer_album_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:28:00.000Z-Tubezlob-2016-03-16T08:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob"><bdi>Tubezlob</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T18:41:00.000Z-Deezer_album_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Deezer_track_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deezer_track_ID-2016-03-16T08:08:00.000Z">Deezer track ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2724" title="Property:P2724">Deezer track ID</a> (P2724) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2724" title="Property talk:P2724">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a track on Deezer</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7366" title="Q7366">song (Q7366)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>\d+</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q919291" title="Q919291">So What (Q919291)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.deezer.com/track/5707517">5707517</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.deezer.com/track/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Usefull like <a href="/wiki/Property:P2207" title="Property:P2207">Spotify track ID (P2207)</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob">Tubezlob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tubezlob" title="User talk:Tubezlob">🙋</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Tubezlob-2016-03-16T08:08:00.000Z-Deezer_track_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T14:28:00.000Z-Tubezlob-2016-03-16T08:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:28, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Tubezlob" title="User:Tubezlob"><bdi>Tubezlob</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T18:44:00.000Z-Deezer_track_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="GOG_application_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-GOG_application_ID-2016-03-25T06:57:00.000Z">GOG application ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2725" title="Property:P2725">GOG application ID</a> (P2725) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2725" title="Property talk:P2725">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a application (or film) on distribution platform GOG.com</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7889" title="Q7889">video game (Q7889)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q11424" title="Q11424">film (Q11424)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q16267625" title="Q16267625">Samorost 3 (Q16267625)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gog.com/game/samorost_3">game/samorost_3</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q22000077" title="Q22000077">Dark Dungeons (Q22000077)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.gog.com/movie/dark_dungeons">movie/dark_dungeons</a></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://www.gog.com/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> GOG has many PC games available (especially old), so thus would be a useful resource as a property. <a href="/wiki/User:Clonewayx" title="User:Clonewayx">Clonewayx</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Clonewayx" title="User talk:Clonewayx">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Clonewayx-2016-03-25T06:57:00.000Z-GOG_application_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T13:35:00.000Z-Clonewayx-2016-03-25T06:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)">Pikolas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pikolas" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pikolas">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pikolas-2016-04-01T00:49:00.000Z-Clonewayx-2016-03-25T06:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 1 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Telaneo" title="User:Telaneo">Telaneo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Telaneo" title="User talk:Telaneo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Telaneo-2016-04-05T22:36:00.000Z-Clonewayx-2016-03-25T06:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 5 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Clonewayx" title="User:Clonewayx"><bdi>Clonewayx</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)"><bdi>Pikolas</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Telaneo" title="User:Telaneo"><bdi>Telaneo</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T21:45:00.000Z-GOG_application_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:45, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="CageMatch_worker_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-CageMatch_worker_ID-2016-03-27T02:15:00.000Z">CageMatch worker ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2728" title="Property:P2728">CageMatch worker ID</a> (P2728) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2728" title="Property talk:P2728">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a professional wrestling performer at www.cagematch.net</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>human</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q44176" title="Q44176">Hulk Hogan (Q44176)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=504">504</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.cagematch.net">http://www.cagematch.net</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=$1 (English) or http://www.cagematch.de/?id=2&nr=$1 (German)</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>We might be able to scrape values from German Wikipedia</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> cagematch.net (or cagematch.de, which is the german address, it is mainly a german site) is a database of Professional Wrestling performers, shows, PPVs, matches, etc across a number of different promotions (WWE, TNA, etc). It seems to be very comprehensive. This property is for what they call "workers", which seems to be mainly wrestlers, but also announcers, referees, and sometimes celebrities have cameos. They have 16945 people listed. I don't know how much of the information we can use here, but they have basic biographical information, and authority control could be useful, as articles for wrestlers often use ring names rather than real names. I'm not sure about the label and description, but I think the English and German versions should refer to the corresponding versions of the website, and similarly for the formatter URLs, if we can do that. It seems we could import values from the German Wikipedia, but they only have raw links to the website, so we would have to scrape the wikitext. <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish">Silverfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silverfish" title="User talk:Silverfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Silverfish-2016-03-27T02:15:00.000Z-CageMatch_worker_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. Copy edited. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-04T17:47:00.000Z-Silverfish-2016-03-27T02:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:47, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish"><bdi>Silverfish</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-06T22:17:00.000Z-CageMatch_worker_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Projeto_Excelências_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Projeto_Excelências_ID-2016-03-30T14:02:00.000Z">Projeto Excelências ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P2731&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P2731 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P2731) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P2731&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P2731 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier used by Transparência Brasil for congresspeople from Brazil</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>people</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>type of linked items (Q template or text), list or range of allowed values, string pattern...</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q519210" title="Q519210">Jean Wyllys (Q519210)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.excelencias.org.br/@parl.php?id=71691">71691</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.excelencias.org.br/">http://www.excelencias.org.br/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.excelencias.org.br/@parl.php?id=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q10384192" title="Q10384192">Transparência Brasil (Q10384192)</a> is a well-known public NGO in Brazil, and according to Archive.org, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.excelencias.org.br/">it's been around since 2006</a>, so we know it's a stable source. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)">Pikolas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pikolas" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pikolas">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pikolas-2016-03-30T14:02:00.000Z-Projeto_Excelências_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-30T19:20:00.000Z-Pikolas-2016-03-30T14:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)"><bdi>Pikolas</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-08T17:33:00.000Z-Projeto_Excelências_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Persée_author_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Persée_author_ID-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z">Persée author ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2732" title="Property:P2732">Persée author ID</a> (P2732) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2732" title="Property talk:P2732">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for an author, in Persée, an open access digital library of French-language scholarly journals, established by the Ministry of National Education of France.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q482980" title="Q482980">author (Q482980)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>numbers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q6109524" title="Q6109524">Robert Ricard (Q6109524)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.persee.fr/author/persee_249577">249577</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.persee.fr">http://www.persee.fr</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.persee.fr/author/persee_$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q252430" title="Q252430">Persée (Q252430)</a>: Providing valuable data to authority control templates in different wikipedias. Author identifier from Persée. Strakhov (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strakhov" title="User talk:Strakhov">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Strakhov-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z-Persée_author_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-31T10:04:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:04, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. Copy edited. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-04T17:36:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)">Pikolas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pikolas" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pikolas">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pikolas-2016-04-08T14:22:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Strakhov" title="User:Strakhov"><bdi>Strakhov</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)"><bdi>Pikolas</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-08T17:50:00.000Z-Persée_author_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Persée_journal_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Persée_journal_ID-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z">Persée journal ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2733" title="Property:P2733">Persée journal ID</a> (P2733) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2733" title="Property talk:P2733">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Identifier for a journal in Persée, an open access digital library of French-language scholarly journals, established by the Ministry of National Education of France.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q685935" title="Q685935">trade magazine (Q685935)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>alphanumeric caracters</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2850699" title="Q2850699">Annales historiques de la Révolution française (Q2850699)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.persee.fr/collection/ahrf">ahrf</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.persee.fr">http://www.persee.fr</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.persee.fr/collection/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <a href="/wiki/Q252430" title="Q252430">Persée (Q252430)</a>: Providing valuable data to authority control templates in different wikipedias. Journal identifier from Persée. Strakhov (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strakhov" title="User talk:Strakhov">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Strakhov-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z-Persée_journal_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-31T10:05:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:05, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. Copy edited. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-04T17:32:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)">Pikolas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pikolas" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Pikolas">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pikolas-2016-04-08T14:22:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-30T20:37:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Strakhov" title="User:Strakhov"><bdi>Strakhov</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Pikolas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Pikolas (page does not exist)"><bdi>Pikolas</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-08T17:53:00.000Z-Persée_journal_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="UNZ_author_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-UNZ_author_identifier-2016-03-31T17:59:00.000Z">UNZ author identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2734" title="Property:P2734">Unz Review author ID</a> (P2734) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2734" title="Property talk:P2734">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Author identifier in unz.org, a content-archiving website with old open-access publications.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q482980" title="Q482980">author (Q482980)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>alphanumeric caracters</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q343944" title="Q343944">Eugene Lyons (Q343944)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.unz.org/Author/LyonsEugene">LyonsEugene</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.unz.org">unz.org</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.unz.org/Author/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Providing valuable data to authority control templates in different wikipedias. Author identifier from unz.org. Strakhov (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strakhov" title="User talk:Strakhov">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Strakhov-2016-03-31T17:59:00.000Z-UNZ_author_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-07T09:03:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-31T17:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:03, 7 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support looks like a nice resource for older English and American literature. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-04-07T15:21:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-31T17:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Strakhov" title="User:Strakhov"><bdi>Strakhov</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-08T18:11:00.000Z-UNZ_author_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="UNZ_journal_identifier" data-mw-thread-id="h-UNZ_journal_identifier-2016-03-31T17:59:00.000Z">UNZ journal identifier</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2735" title="Property:P2735">Unz Review journal ID</a> (P2735) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2735" title="Property talk:P2735">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Journal identifier in unz.org, a content-archiving website with old open-access publications.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q685935" title="Q685935">trade magazine (Q685935)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>alphanumeric caracters</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15846515" title="Q15846515">Saturday Review (Q15846515)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.unz.org/Pub/SaturdayRev">SaturdayRev</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.unz.org">unz.org</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.unz.org/Pub/$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Providing valuable data to authority control templates in different wikipedias. Journal identifier from unz.org. Strakhov (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strakhov" title="User talk:Strakhov">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Strakhov-2016-03-31T17:59:00.000Z-UNZ_journal_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:59, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-07T09:04:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-31T17:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:04, 7 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support looks like a nice resource for older English and American literature. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-04-07T15:22:00.000Z-Strakhov-2016-03-31T17:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Strakhov" title="User:Strakhov"><bdi>Strakhov</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-08T18:13:00.000Z-UNZ_journal_identifier" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 8 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="disjoint_union_of" data-mw-thread-id="h-disjoint_union_of-2015-05-07T19:08:00.000Z">disjoint union of</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2738" title="Property:P2738">disjoint union of</a> (P2738) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2738" title="Property talk:P2738">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>every instance of this class is an instance of exactly one class in that list of classes</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>list, or metaclass</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>class list, or metaclass list (resp)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q102165" title="Q102165">nucleon (Q102165)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q102165&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q102165&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2738" title="Property:P2738">disjoint union of (P2738)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2738&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q2294" title="Q2294">proton (Q2294)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2294&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2294&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q2348" title="Q2348">neutron (Q2348)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2348&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2348&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q188745" title="Q188745">Platonic solid (Q188745)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q188745&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q188745&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2738" title="Property:P2738">disjoint union of (P2738)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2738&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18015073" class="mw-redirect" title="Q18015073">regular tetrahedron (Q18015073)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18015073&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18015073&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q812880" title="Q812880">cube (Q812880)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q812880&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q812880&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q16667454" class="mw-redirect" title="Q16667454">regular octahedron (Q16667454)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q16667454&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q16667454&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q16629569" title="Q16629569">regular dodecahedron (Q16629569)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q16629569&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q16629569&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18015071" title="Q18015071">regular icosahedron (Q18015071)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18015071&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18015071&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>check consistency of the instantiation relation wrt. these statements</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>union of</dt></dl> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2737" title="Property:P2737">union of</a> (P2737) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2737" title="Property talk:P2737">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>every instance of this class is an instance of at least one class in that list of classes</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>list, or metaclass</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>class list, or metaclass list (resp)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q11173" title="Q11173">chemical compound (Q11173)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q11173&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q11173&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ Union of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Union_of" title="Special:Search/Property:Union of">Search</a> unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q11438" title="Q11438">solid (Q11438)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q11438&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q11438&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q11435" title="Q11435">liquid (Q11435)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q11435&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q11435&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q11432" title="Q11432">gas (Q11432)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q11432&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q11432&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q61231" title="Q61231">nanoparticle (Q61231)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q61231&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q61231&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q22981361" title="Q22981361">volatile chemical substance (Q22981361)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q22981361&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q22981361&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q11173" title="Q11173">chemical compound (Q11173)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q11173&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q11173&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ Union of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Union_of" title="Special:Search/Property:Union of">Search</a> unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q11173" title="Q11173">chemical compound (Q11173)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q11173&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q11173&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q2512777" title="Q2512777">simple substance (Q2512777)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2512777&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2512777&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q21073936" title="Q21073936">uncle or aunt (Q21073936)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q21073936&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q21073936&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ Union of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Union_of" title="Special:Search/Property:Union of">Search</a> unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q76557" title="Q76557">uncle (Q76557)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q76557&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q76557&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q76507" title="Q76507">aunt (Q76507)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q76507&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q76507&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q19968906" class="mw-redirect" title="Q19968906">broadcasting program (Q19968906)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q19968906&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q19968906&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2737" title="Property:P2737">union of (P2737)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2737&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ unknown value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q1555508" title="Q1555508">radio program (Q1555508)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1555508&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1555508&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q15416" title="Q15416">television program (Q15416)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q15416&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q15416&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> - there is some programs who are both transmited by radio and television</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>check consistency of the instantiation relation wrt. these statements</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Note</dt> <dd>This proposal is a proposal for Two properties: <ul><li>UnionOf </li> <li> DisjointUnionOf </li></ul></dd> <dd><s>(to get the definition of the first, take the text in green, resp in red for the second) plus one new qualifier : </s><ul><s></s><li><s>Together With.</s></li></ul></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Sometime users use <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> as a kind of inverse properties of <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a>. This is semantically wrong as has part if for composition relationship of physical objects (or classes of those type) that are parts of other (bigger) physical objects (or classes of those whole objects), per <a href="/wiki/Help:BMP" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:BMP">Help:BMP</a>, and NOT to give a list of the subclasses, like in the example give who was modeled as has part. There would not be a case if we were just talking of an inverse property of <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a>, but we're not. Here we want to say that the set of all instances of a set of classes (here proton and neutrons), when regrouped, is exactly the set of instances of the superclass (here nucleon). No instance of nucleon is neither a proton nor a neutron. <dl><dd>Example : let <code>Academics</code> be the set of person who teaches, studies or research in a faculty.</dd> <dd>let <code>teacher</code>, <code>student</code>, <code>researcher</code> (be the class of persons who teaches, rep. studies and research in a faculty.</dd> <dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Academics ⟩ Union of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Union_of" title="Special:Search/Property:Union of">Search</a> ⟨ Teacher ⟩ Together with <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Together_with" title="Special:Search/Property:Together with">Search</a> ⟨ Students ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1706" title="Property:P1706">together with (P1706)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1706&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ Researcher ⟩</div> means that any student, researcher and teacher is an academic, that no person who is neither student, researcher nor teacher is an academic. But a student can also teach, as a researcher.</dd></dl> With the disjoint variant (in green), the constraint is added that an instance of nucleon is an instance of one and only one of the subclasses. Said differently, that the set of subclasses is a <a href="/wiki/Q381060" title="Q381060">partition of a set (Q381060)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q381060&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q381060&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> of the subject class. <dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q102165" title="Q102165">nucleon (Q102165)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q102165&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q102165&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ Disjoint union of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Disjoint_union_of" title="Special:Search/Property:Disjoint union of">Search</a> ⟨ Q2294 ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1706" title="Property:P1706">together with (P1706)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1706&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q2348" title="Q2348">neutron (Q2348)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2348&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2348&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div></dd> <dd>as a nucleon is a proton or a neutron, but not both.</dd></dl> So the motivation is double : <ul><li>give an alternative to those who want to put a list of subclasses of a class (don't do that, this is incorrect, do that instead)</li> <li>improve our modeling expression power.</li></ul> Note : the qualifier <s>Together With</s> <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> is here because the set of subclasses must exist in the same statement. This is because if we gave the list of classes in a list of statement, we could not express that there is no other subclass needed to cover all the instances of the superclass, as Wikidata follows the <a href="/wiki/Q851949" title="Q851949">open-world assumption (Q851949)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q851949&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q851949&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> (This means we could even use two statement to model two alternative divisions of the class in subclasses for all of its instances). For example let's just add a subclass to <code>nucleon</code>, I don't know <code>highly energetic nucleon</code>. It's a subclass of nucleon, but it would not make sense to add it into <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q102165" title="Q102165">nucleon (Q102165)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q102165&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q102165&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ Disjoint union of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Disjoint_union_of" title="Special:Search/Property:Disjoint union of">Search</a> ⟨ Q2294 ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1706" title="Property:P1706">together with (P1706)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1706&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q2348" title="Q2348">neutron (Q2348)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q2348&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q2348&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> because either a proton or a neutron could be highly energetical. It's a different classification axis. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-09T15:26:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:26, 9 May 2015 (UTC)</a> Note2 : DO NOT USE if the class list is not close, of course, that is if there is instances of the superclass that is not an instance of any of the child classes, or if it's not sure whether or not. They are inspired by <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#unionOf-def">owl:unionOf</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#unionOf-def">owl:unionOf</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-new-features/#F1:_DisjointUnion">owl:disjointunionof</a> (and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/FullSemanticsNaryAxioms#All_Disjoint_Classes">alldisjointclasses</a> but only because I did not realize there was actually disjointunionof /o\). <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-07T19:08:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 7 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <div style="border: none; padding: 2px; width:100%;"><div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="border:none;"><div style="font-size:small; font-weight: bold; padding-left: 10px; background-color: transparent; text-align: center;">outdated comments</div><div class="mw-collapsible-content" style="font-size:small; background-color: transparent; text-align: left;"> Still: <ul><li>"(sample: 7..."</li> <li>"qnd"</li> <li>line break before "wol:disjointunionof"</li> <li>How many properties do you propose?</li> <li>I dont see why "Disjoint" is mentionned at all.</li> <li>"of this class .... of that list of classes" Which and which?</li> <li>In everyday language, "UnionOf" seems (to me) related with <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a>, not with classes.</li> <li>If this proposal is about class partition, why not name it "class partition" or "subclass partition"?</li> <li>If this proposal is not about class partition, why mentionning <a href="/wiki/Q381060" title="Q381060">partition of a set (Q381060)</a>?</li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-08T21:36:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 8 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée"><bdi>Visite fortuitement prolongée</bdi></a>: should be better now. this and that is a common way to speak of resp the subject and the object of the claim. The names are the name given in owl as the links can show, but other are OK if people find this more clear. Union in math is the operation on set, for sure. I don't know about common english</dd></dl> There was a bug in Template:Color. I fixed it. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T14:34:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 9 May 2015 (UTC)</a> Still: <ul><li>No slash inside "au moins une une et une seule".</li> <li>Why "list, or metaclass" and not "Classes", like in <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P279" title="Property talk:P279">Property talk:P279</a>?</li> <li>Why "class list, or metaclass list (resp)" and not "Classes", like in <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P279" title="Property talk:P279">Property talk:P279</a>?</li> <li>"(sample: 7..."</li> <li>"instanèiation"</li> <li>Why not a semantic list after "This proposal is a proposal for"?</li> <li>"too statement"</li> <li>What is the difference between subclass property and "UnionOf" property? <ul><li>Please give examples.</li></ul></li> <li>What is the difference between "UnionOf" property and "DisjointUnionOf" property? <ul><li>Please give examples.</li></ul></li> <li>Please give an example where "Together With" qualifier property is required.</li></ul> <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T14:34:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 9 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Thank you, the proposal is much better now. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T17:46:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 9 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></div></div></div> <dl><dd>« Why "list, or metaclass" and not "Classes" » → I'll edit the Property documentation myself if the properties are created. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-11T20:20:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Per <a href="/wiki/Help:Classification" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Classification">Help:Classification</a> for an explanation. A class is a set of indvidual. two classes unionned gives another set of individuals, another class. A class of class unioned with a class of class gives a class of class, similarly. But a class should not be unioned with a metaclass to avoid some ontological problems. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-11T20:38:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-11T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>I'm not sure if I get the "Together with" qualifier point. Qualifiers are also open to be extended, so I don't see why having all values within a statement makes it more close than having one statement for each value. Qualifiers are extendable as statements are, there is no way to prohibit that. Therefore, I'm also not sure if we should actually introduce such limited classes, as that is contradictory to the open system of Wikidata. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Bene*" title="User:Bene*">Bene*</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bene*" title="User talk:Bene*">talk</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Bene*-2015-05-09T21:08:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 9 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Good question. I take the opinion of Markus here : <a class="external text" href="https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2015-April/005968.html">see this post on the ML</a>. I think this makes sense for closed lists, it's an easy way to express that, way easier than for example having a sequence of items with <a href="/wiki/Property:P156" title="Property:P156">followed by (P156)</a>/<a href="/wiki/Property:P155" title="Property:P155">follows (P155)</a> terminated by <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ … ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P156" title="Property:P156">followed by (P156)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P156&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ no value <a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements#Unknown_or_no_values" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Statements">Help</a> ⟩</div>. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-10T09:23:00.000Z-Bene*-2015-05-09T21:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support "Disjoint Union of" property</li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support "Union of" property</li> <li><s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose "together with" qualifier property. Instead of listing some subclasses with a qualifier you should just add more values to the main property.</s></li></ul><s></s><dl><s><dd><dl><dd>Nucleon <dl><dd>Disjoint union of:proton <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>:neutron</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> </s><dd><s>OK? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-05-11T18:43:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a></s></dd></dl> <ul><li>Ammended as discussion below. Sorry it took me so long to get back. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-06-18T18:04:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>What you are suggesting, in the writing style that I prefer, is: <ul><li>nucleon => proton, neutron</li></ul></dd> <dd>TomT0m want to allow several, distinct, subclass lists, like having in the same item both: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q102165" title="Q102165">nucleon (Q102165)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q2294" title="Q2294">proton (Q2294)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q2348" title="Q2348">neutron (Q2348)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q107575" title="Q107575">antiproton (Q107575)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q156530" title="Q156530">antineutron (Q156530)</a>,</li> <li>nucleon => positive nucleon (proton), neutral nucleon (neutron, antineutron), negative nucleon (antiproton)</li> <li>nucleon => regular nucleon (proton, neutron), <a href="/wiki/Q182717" title="Q182717">antiparticle (Q182717)</a> nucleon (antiproton, antineutron)</li></ul></dd> <dd>This way, it can not work. TomT0m need a change of Wikidata data structure, or a trick. "together with" is a trick. Of course, since TomT0m has not show an actual example of several, distinct, subclass lists, I do no support "together with", and you are free to oppose it. But I hope that with my explanation, you understand the need. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-11T19:43:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-06-18T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It's not a trick, it's a use of qualifiers to express close lists. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) </dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée"><bdi>Visite fortuitement prolongée</bdi></a>: A real life example : elements can be divided by for example : <a href="/wiki/Q3588104" title="Q3588104">monoisotopic element (Q3588104)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q3588104&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q3588104&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> and non monoisotopic one. They can be divided by element groups such as <a href="/wiki/Q19609" title="Q19609">noble gases (Q19609)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q19609&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q19609&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> … <a href="/wiki/Q19596" title="Q19596">metalloid (Q19596)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q19596&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q19596&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> some of these covers the set of chemical elements taken together. Some overlaps with others. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-11T20:30:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-11T19:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: No. This must be expressed in one statement. It make sense to say that Paul is a son of Jack. It also make sense that Jenny is a daughter of Jack. But from these two satements, we can't say if Jack have more children per <a href="/wiki/Q851949" title="Q851949">open-world assumption (Q851949)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q851949&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q851949&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> which is reasonable in Wikidatas case. With disjoint union this does not make sense to say « nucleon union of proton » and « nucleon union of neutron », no more than in english. This has to be « nucleon union of proton and neutron ». Plus this allows us to say the list is close (see the discussion with Bene* above and the linked mail for this.) Without a qualifier this is as good as «has subclass». <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-11T19:58:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-06-18T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>« Without a qualifier this is as good as «has subclass». » → Not exactly. "nucleon => UnionOf => proton, neutron, antiproton, antineutron" say more than "nucleon => subclass => proton, neutron, antiproton, antineutron"; because it say that the classes list is complete ("closed"). The difference is that without "Together With" qualifier, an item can have only 1 classes list, so we could no tell that... wait, what was this real example of you? <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-11T20:20:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-11T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>No, the meaning argument that a set of two sentence is not the same as one sentence still holds. But you're kind of tiring me. If you really don't want to be convinced follow the links to the owl properties, you'll see they uses one compound statements, not several statements with the same properties, for good reasons. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-11T20:30:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-11T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée"><bdi>Visite fortuitement prolongée</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: Any new question or vote ? It's been a while. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-19T19:49:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-11T20:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Maybe you should move "(to get the definition [...] the second)" just after "a proposal for Two properties" ? <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-19T20:08:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T19:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support "UnionOf" and "DisjointUnionOf" properties. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-19T20:08:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-05-09T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <s>* <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose I never thought I would O in a proposal of mine the solution without the qualifier. Without it it's as good as has_subclass, as explained above. Of course I <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support the original proposal :) <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-05-19T20:14:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)</a></s> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment If only 2 properties are created, which work like other properties (thus allowing only one set of subclasses per item), then the tools <a href="/wiki/Template:Tree" title="Template:Tree">Template:Tree</a> (see <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q309336&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Q309336 (page does not exist)">Talk:Q309336</a>) and <a class="external free" href="http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?lang=en&q=Q17205&rp=279">http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?lang=en&q=Q17205&rp=279</a> will work. With TomT0m's trick, those tools will likely not work. PS: They <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/222754668" title="Special:PermanentLink/222754668">do not work</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-06-17T20:11:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T20:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 17 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée"><bdi>Visite fortuitement prolongée</bdi></a>: That's nonsense, really. First, it's not meant to ba an inverse property of subclass of. Second, I am one of the authors of this template and I can make your example work in no time, no problems, it's not hard. But the real solution is to wait for the devteam to implement simple queries to compute inverse relations, then we will be able to adapt the template properly. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-06-17T20:39:00.000Z-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-06-17T20:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 17 June 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Ok, I reformulate: those tools do not work without adaptation. If you can easily adapt then, then it's good. <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Visite_fortuitement_prolongée-2015-06-17T21:52:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-06-17T20:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 17 June 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment I am vaguely supportive of this initiative, but I would prefer to have a way to declare two classes disjoint before adding a way to declare them disjoint while also declaring another class to be their union: disjoint union is syntactic sugar.= for this specific combination. Useful, maybe, but not good for all cases. So I would prefer to have union of, and introduce disjoint with independently. --<a href="/wiki/User:Markus_Kr%C3%B6tzsch" title="User:Markus Krötzsch">Markus Krötzsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Markus_Kr%C3%B6tzsch" title="User talk:Markus Krötzsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Markus_Krötzsch-2015-11-11T16:13:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T20:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Markus_Kr%C3%B6tzsch" title="User:Markus Krötzsch"><bdi>Markus Krötzsch</bdi></a>: I'm all for introducing a Disjoint with property, I'll make another proposal, but I'm not sure I agree that this is "syntactic sugar". This looks like an "AllDisjointWith" construction, which allows to replace n*(n+1)/2 constraint, and seem very similar to a "Global constraint" like AllDiff (see for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/vanhoeve/papers/alldiff.pdf">this paper</a> that is exploited during constraint solving to build more efficient algorithms compared to the set of "local" constraint solutions. Of course an "AllDisjointWith" is weird to express in Wikidata as it has no natural "subject item", except in the case of a disjoint union ... author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-11-11T21:20:00.000Z-Markus_Krötzsch-2015-11-11T16:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>This is a good point. I agree. --<a href="/wiki/User:Markus_Kr%C3%B6tzsch" title="User:Markus Krötzsch">Markus Krötzsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Markus_Kr%C3%B6tzsch" title="User talk:Markus Krötzsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Markus_Krötzsch-2015-11-12T08:28:00.000Z-Markus_Krötzsch-2015-11-11T16:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:28, 12 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment I am in favour of picking a different encoding, where the classes in the union are treated in a symmetric way without singling out one as the main value. This could be achieved by using no specific main value, but just specifying "some value" there. Moreover, we could use <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> as an existing qualifier property instead of making a new one. For example:</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Academics ⟩ Union of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Union_of" title="Special:Search/Property:Union of">Search</a> ⟨ SOME VALUE ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ Teacher ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ Students ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P642&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ Researcher ⟩</div></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>This modelling would also be closer to the approach in OWL, which represents unions as anonymous individuals ("some value") that have several classes, which are all on an equal footing without any one being more important than the others. In Wikidata, one could also use a specific placeholder value rather than "some value" since we (unlike OWL), we don't need this value to be different for each union. Maybe one could create another special purpose item that leads to a readable statement. For example:</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Academics ⟩ Union of <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:Union_of" title="Special:Search/Property:Union of">Search</a> ⟨ set of several classes ⟩ has element <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:has_element" title="Special:Search/Property:has element">Search</a> ⟨ Teacher ⟩ has element <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:has_element" title="Special:Search/Property:has element">Search</a> ⟨ Student ⟩ has element <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:has_element" title="Special:Search/Property:has element">Search</a> ⟨ Researcher ⟩</div></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>This is mainly a question of readability. My main technical comment is that we should not be forced to single out one class to be the main value of the union. --<a href="/wiki/User:Markus_Kr%C3%B6tzsch" title="User:Markus Krötzsch">Markus Krötzsch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Markus_Kr%C3%B6tzsch" title="User talk:Markus Krötzsch">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Markus_Krötzsch-2015-11-11T16:13:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T20:14:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Parallel to this discussion, it may be worth noting a recent proposal at <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Property_metadata" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Property metadata">Wikidata:Property proposal/Property metadata</a> for a <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Property_metadata#Expected_completeness" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Property proposal/Property metadata">Expected completeness</a> property, to indicate whether a complete set of statements for the property were either (a) believed to be present; (b) aspired to (eventually); or (c) not aspired to.</li></ul> <dl><dd>This was originally proposed simply as a property about a property; but it has been suggested that it could also be applied as a qualifier to a statement of the form subject "object of" property, to indicate that it was indicated to have complete statements for the property for a particular value -- eg <dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q15700818" title="Q15700818">Grade I listed building (Q15700818)</a> ⟩ "object of" <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:%22object_of%22" title="Special:Search/Property:"object of"">Search</a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1435" title="Property:P1435">heritage designation (P1435)</a> ⟩ "expected completeness" <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:%22expected_completeness%22" title="Special:Search/Property:"expected completeness"">Search</a> ⟨ "aspire to complete" ⟩</div>.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>The latter form could be used to indicate that complete enumerations of a class were believed to be in place. <dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ class ⟩ "object of" <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:%22object_of%22" title="Special:Search/Property:"object of"">Search</a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> ⟩ "expected completeness" <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:%22expected_completeness%22" title="Special:Search/Property:"expected completeness"">Search</a> ⟨ "believed to be complete" ⟩</div>.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>This also might work well with Markus's proposal above, <dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ class ⟩ "union of" <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:%22union_of%22" title="Special:Search/Property:"union of"">Search</a> ⟨ set of several classes ⟩ "degree of overlap" <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:%22degree_of_overlap%22" title="Special:Search/Property:"degree of overlap"">Search</a> ⟨ "disjoint" ⟩ "expected completeness" <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:%22expected_completeness%22" title="Special:Search/Property:"expected completeness"">Search</a> ⟨ "believed to be complete" ⟩ has element <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:has_element" title="Special:Search/Property:has element">Search</a> ⟨ subclass1 ... ⟩</div></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>One thing that is perhaps clear to everybody already, but that I would like to underline -- I would stress that I would like to see this mechanism as additional to using <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a>, not as an alternative for it. In the example above, one should still create statements <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ subclass1 ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> [[Special:Search/Property:<a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a>|Search]] ⟨ class ⟩</div>, even if the denumeration above existed. Direct statements like P279 are simpler to write queries for, and can also be made part of path queries (eg <code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-sparql mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">wdt:P31/wdt:P279*</code>) in a way that is not possible for statements which necessarily involve qualifiers. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jheald-2015-11-13T12:18:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T20:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li>I'm not sure about what would be the best format for these. Using <a href="/wiki/Property:P1706" title="Property:P1706">together with (P1706)</a> is definitely wrong, as it means a different type of link for one item in the set than the others. Listing the values as straight unqualified statements per union part results in unusable data. Markus's proposal above makes it difficult/confusing to add/read statements. I support the union/disjoint union proposal in principle, but it needs a usable format. Ideally we could have a new datatype for arrays of values, but I don't think the developers are going to be able to spare the amount of time necessary for creating that. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Yair_rand-2016-01-10T22:22:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T20:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:22, 10 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>What's difficult/confusing ? A few constraint report would help us to find the mistakes, and people just need to be pointed to an example / guidelines the first time they use it. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-01-11T13:04:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2016-01-10T22:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 11 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Properties can normally be used without any explanation being necessary. Wikidata is hard enough to use as it is, requiring instructions that the editor must put "unknown value" as the value (am I understanding this correctly?), and the values as the qualifiers, is enough to make it too difficult for most contributors to use. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand">Yair rand</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yair_rand" title="User talk:Yair rand">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Yair_rand-2016-01-11T21:52:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-01-11T13:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:52, 11 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yair_rand" title="User:Yair rand"><bdi>Yair rand</bdi></a>: We have no real alternatives. And it's a not so frequent usecase, it's definitely not the "date of birth" property. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-01-12T10:12:00.000Z-Yair_rand-2016-01-11T21:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 12 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support Existence in OWL should be proof enough that this is very useful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-01-10T23:10:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T20:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 10 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose We already had a similar discussion in a project (see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Ontology#Problem_with_has_part_.28P527.29_and_part_of_.28P361.29" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Ontology">Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Ontology#Problem_with_has_part_.28P527.29_and_part_of_.28P361.29</a>). The proposal doesn't solved anything because doesn't say anything about the relation between two items connected by this new property in term of automatic inferences. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-01-14T12:33:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-05-19T20:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: Sorry what ? The meaning seems pretty precise to me. There is queries pretty easily buildable from this statements. if A union of B and C, the query <code>"instances of A" minus "instances of B union instances of C</code> which is writable in sparql must return no result. Add the query <code>"instances of B intersected with instances of C" </code> which should be empty for disjoint union. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-01-18T17:33:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-14T12:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 18 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: What's about inferences with your system ? What's about property inheritance. Right now if A is an instance of B and B a subclass of C, A is an instance of C too. How will your new relation define the properties inheritance ? <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:05:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-01-18T17:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: : it does absolutely change nothing and is entirely consistent with this. Both relations exists in OWL without problem. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-01-21T17:13:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-21T17:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Could you please provide more examples about this property/ies?--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Micru-2016-03-01T16:50:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done Of course, there is plenty of examples. OK now ? author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-01T18:12:00.000Z-Micru-2016-03-01T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Item <a href="/wiki/Q21073936" title="Q21073936">Q21073936</a> has a label with "and" in (fr)/(es), a label with "or" in (en). This may not work well for your sample. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-03-01T18:19:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-01T18:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: It's the item for languages or which there is only one concept for the brothers of sisters of a father or mother. It's a case of ambiguity of the "and" and the "or" in natural languages. If there is a better labelling(s) i'll take it but I don't think it's a blocker. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-02T11:05:00.000Z-Jura1-2016-03-01T18:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: This proposal has changed and evolved considerably. It is now for two properties; it should have two separate property documentation templates (they can be discussed together or separately as they are slightly different). I recommend you close this discussion and create two new proposals immediately below so we can have a clean discussion on what to do here. I personally am still uncomfortable with the use of <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> as the qualifier property to link elements, to me at least it looks wrong. Do we need another qualifier property to indicate "has element"? Also I would like to see a clearer justification of why this is necessary - the examples provided don't seem to add anything over what one can get using a <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> SPARQL query - for example tinyurl.com/jtmbuff . <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T14:56:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: : No I don't want to do that. This is the same proposal, only with minor points moved and clarification and explanations. I explicitely pushed for beeing able to make several proposals in only one request and nobody seemed to have a problem with that, please ask the other property creators. I would not care a "has element" property, except it is way too close of "set membership" imho. but this should not be a blocker !!! It's a mini point. An example of things that this allows to model : the class of all atoms can be divided according to all of its <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isobar_(nuclide)" class="extiw" title="en:Isobar (nuclide)">en:Isobar_(nuclide)</a>, where each atom as exactly one isobar, OR according to the set of all its isotopes, of all of its isotone. Likewise each atom has only one corresponding isotone. This is what you can do with this property that you can't do with the existing one. For just union of, you say that therer is no instance of the parent class that is an instance of none of the givent classes. And that too you can't do with existing properties. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-23T15:59:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Well, have it your way, but this makes it hard to figure out (for a new or returning reader) what is current and what is outdated in the discussion. The motivation section for instance contains a number of things that don't seem to be part of the current proposal. Can you fix that? I think it would be better to start fresh and clean. I did clean up the titles here so it is clear (I hope) what the properties should be named, and you had some examples mixed about (chemical compound was in both). I hope the changes I made are what you want. But here is the problem with your examples - none of them seem to add anything right now beyond a simple subclass query, either that or I don't think they are right. The only subclasses of nucleon in wikidata are 'proton' and 'neutron'. The only subclasses of 'platonic solid' are the five platonic solids (by the way when I did this search I found a duplicate of "regular tetrahedron" that needed merging). For the union property, chemical compound is specifically stated in its description to include more than one element, so "simple substance" would not qualify (and that particular grouping seems very odd with the self-reference). And neither "solid" nor "liquid" is a subclass of "chemical compound" (they can obviously be mixtures), and you don't seem to have an exhaustive list of material phases there if that was the intention. I would recommend you clear out all the contrived examples here and come up with one good example for each property that would demonstrate the usefulness of this property. I don't doubt that it has a use, but the examples here (and the contrived ones you just mentioned) just don't demonstrate it. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T20:28:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-23T15:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: actually you messed things up adding to subtitles. It's really a pain and fastidious to make several proposals for several very closely related proposals, and it's useless votes for everybody to make for everybody for a group approval/disaproval. Also some people accepted the property AFTER significant rewrite of the proposal, so you already come one war too late ...</dd> <dd>The element example is really hard to manipulate, because of the english Wikipedia using a different definition for chemical element (class of atom / class of substance see two points of <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://goldbook.iupac.org/C01022.html">http://goldbook.iupac.org/C01022.html</a> enwiki uses one, frwiki and other the other), but still you did not answer to the example of isotopes/isobars which are several ways to partition the atoms/pure substance. Could you do that please ? this is the most complete and relevant example. To be clear here I use the definitions that classify the atoms, not the substances, it's easier, see</dd> <dd><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:Error mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Atom_classification.svg" title="File:Atom classification.svg">File:Atom classification.svg</a><figcaption></figcaption></figure></dd> <dd>For the proton/neutron : using just subclass of, you just can't express : 1/ that a nucleon is either a proton and a neutron, but not both . 2/ that there is no other kind of nucleons, because Wikidata might not be complete, it's the "open world hypothesis". My properties are supposed to give a way to express this. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-23T20:58:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T20:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>please see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-world_assumption" class="extiw" title="en:Open-world assumption">en:Open-world_assumption</a>, an asumption we imho have to make in Wikidata of course. See also <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://cool-wd.inf.unibz.it/">http://cool-wd.inf.unibz.it/</a> who is a project to state that things are complete in wd ... but not on wiki. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-23T21:20:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T20:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>also if I forgot some state of matter, please just add it. I just took the example from a wikipedia article that might not be complete. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-23T21:21:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T20:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> I'm trying to help you get this proposal to where it can actually be implemented. I don't find the examples compelling, especially the "chemical compound" ones. Property creators are supposed to actually implement the examples you give when creating the property, I do not think what you have here is correct or appropriate in the case of "chemical compound". Similarly, I cannot imagine anybody implementing what you seem to be proposing just above (if I even understood it) with regard to "atoms" and isotopes/isobars. Isotopes are not a closed list in the first place; supposedly the tetraneutron was recently discovered (an isotope that is not even any kind of atom), and adding every possibly discovered isotope to a list of subclasses of an atom seems silly - the example seems, as I said, contrived. You have two stated purposes for these proposals: first to do as you describe for nucleon, express aspects of the subclass relationship (the subclasses are exclusive and there is "no other kind"). Ok, the nucleon/neutron-proton case (and the Platonic solid case) does demonstrate that. If that's all the property does, I guess that's fine. But you have also been arguing this allows for multiple ways of partitioning subclasses of a class that can't be done with the subclass relationship. I think the one case you might have among your examples that could be a good illustration of that is the "broadcast program"; I'm not sure it's a great example, but as you have done here you can partition by medium (television or radio - what about internet broadcasts though?) or perhaps by type of program (news, entertainment, sports). Is there an exhaustive list of those subclasses (if they have even been defined yet)? That might be a good simple example that would be practical to implement here. I would recommend you remove the "chemical compound" examples completely though, they don't make sense and are not helpful. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T21:33:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-23T21:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:33, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: Then there is poor communication on the proposal process, I did think examples were here to illustrate the idea, not to be implemented and extensively discussed ...</dd> <dd>I still think the "chemical compound" example make sense. Think of liquid water, this is a subclass of all water substances at some point in time. Of course if the list is not complete we might</dd> <dd>Of course any non trivial statement of completeness needs a source.</dd> <dd>The broadcast example may be a definition : we might explicitely state that this item, for some reason IS NOT for internet broadcast, this is a possible usecase opened. Then we would make the statement in a language agnostic form that may replace some usage instructions of properties that needs to be transated.</dd> <dd>A statement that is complete wrt. the current knowledge is the normal way to do stuffs in WIkidata. We might extend it / deprecate it when new atoms are synthetised or proved to actually exists, this seem the normal process. We must be correct wrt. the current state of sources and knowledege, we must not predict future. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-23T21:49:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T21:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Step 2 in <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:PTC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:PTC">WD:PTC</a> is "Add the new property to the example item(s) from the proposal. If there was no example in the proposal, try to find one." Yes, the examples should be correct statements that would actually be useful to add to wikidata, because the property creator is going to actually add those examples (or should do so) when creating the property. I hope you have other cases beyond these few that you feel are needed - if abuse of "part of" in this way is as much a problem as you've said then presumably there are. plenty of other examples out there. If you don't feel you have a good example on what I suggested was your second reason for these properties, then that's fine, the first reason is good enough. I was just hoping to see a clear case where that was a real issue. The only other problem I have with your proposal now is the qualifier property in the examples <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> - in English that has the label "within the scope of" and that still seems wrong to me, there has to be a better property to use as qualifier here. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-24T00:26:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-23T21:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: Just create a query "A subclass of B ; B part of A", you'll find many. "within the scope of" : we definitely have a problem with labels of properties defining their usage wrt. multilingual project. just changing a property label SHOULD NOT BE enough to change the intended meaning, especially when it's supposed to be a multipurpose qualifier like here : I'm not aware of any discussion releted to this. This means the change of label might be the decision of a single person that did not spread out to other languages of they did not have the property page in their watchlist ... still a (non) communication problem then. As the creators supposed to implement the property, this should not be knowledge of the creators only, the proposers should be aware of this especially if they could be refused a property on the judgement of a creator because of this. I see in your message that you also are supposed to find one, which suggest it should not be a blocker. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-24T10:56:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-24T00:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>A few relevant query : <a class="external free" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#select%20%3FitemLabel%20%3FpartLabel%20where%20{%0A%20%20%3Fpart%20wdt%3AP279%20%3Fitem%20.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20%3Fpart%20.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20{%0A%20%20%20%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22fr%22%20.%0A%20%20}%0A}">https://query.wikidata.org/#select%20%3FitemLabel%20%3FpartLabel%20where%20{%0A%20%20%3Fpart%20wdt%3AP279%20%3Fitem%20.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20%3Fpart%20.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20{%0A%20%20%20%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22fr%22%20.%0A%20%20}%0A}</a> (not the most relevant bu still with interesting result) and the most relevant : <a class="external free" href="https://query.wikidata.org/#select%20%3FitemLabel%20%3FpartLabel%20where%20{%0A%20%20%3Fpart%20wdt%3AP279%20%3Fitem%20.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP527%20%3Fpart%20.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20{%0A%20%20%20%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22fr%22%20.%0A%20%20}%0A}">https://query.wikidata.org/#select%20%3FitemLabel%20%3FpartLabel%20where%20{%0A%20%20%3Fpart%20wdt%3AP279%20%3Fitem%20.%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP527%20%3Fpart%20.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20{%0A%20%20%20%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22fr%22%20.%0A%20%20}%0A}</a> 1409 results where a subclass is a part. I'll highlight that this is just an argument in this discussion, the other arguments are more compelling imho. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-24T11:19:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-24T00:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I'm following up in the discussion page for <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> - the change to "within the scope of" from "of" was recent, and I believe wrong - it was only done in English language labels. If this gets fixed I <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support creation of the above two properties using this approach (but NOT using the chemical compound examples). <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-24T13:27:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-24T11:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:27, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Question I don't get the example of uncle/aunt. Why is <a href="/wiki/Q21073936" title="Q21073936">uncle or aunt (Q21073936)</a> the union of <a href="/wiki/Q76507" title="Q76507">aunt (Q76507)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q76557" title="Q76557">uncle (Q76557)</a> and not the disjoint union of them? --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2016-03-25T11:12:00.000Z-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-23T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: Good question, I don't really remember but what stopped me was probably cases of difficult gender issues ... It's conservative. But maybe it's not justified. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-25T16:58:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-03-25T11:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:58, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></dd></dl> <hr /> Since the discussion has been going on forever and has become very hard to follow, let's have a quick counting of votes to decide what to do. If you support or oppose the creation of these two properties, please add your vote and (optionally) a short reasoning below, even if you already have voted before. Please keep long discussion above this line. <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Question Why would we restart from the start ??? we already have clear votes. I don't get how this is useful. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:25:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support Useful properties, that are also part of OWL. Very useful to have in an ontology. Also useful the clear up the overloading and misuse of <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T03:22:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:22, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose I find the label of these properties misleading. They are "class selectors", however neither "class" nor "selection" are mentioned in the label. It is also unclear to me why an additional property is needed as qualifier.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Micru-2016-03-25T07:43:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: Your second point is simply wrong : I don't require a new qualifier anymore, and simply totally minor. Your first point does not make any sense, at least with a few explanation words, because indeed nobody used the "selectors" because ... nobody knows what that mean here, and nobdy explained. With that in mind I'd tend to reject this vote as invalid. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:03:00.000Z-Micru-2016-03-25T07:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: In the property proposal the example is given with qualifiers, if that is no longer so, you should update it. I reiterate that the current label doesn't reflect what it is intended, therefore I keep my opposition. If you come up with a better label, I will reconsider my vote.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Micru-2016-03-25T15:12:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: How to take you seriously when you avoid ansering questions ? The question of qualifiers is explained in the proposal, please read the explanation. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:23:00.000Z-Micru-2016-03-25T15:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:23, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Which question did I avoid answering? I didn't detect any question in your message, maybe you could clarify your question or at least state it more clearly? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Micru-2016-03-25T15:31:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Well, it seem you did not mind really explaining why the label is really confusing, to explain your weird claims about the "class selector", not to mention the fact that it's kind of weird to oppose a property for the reason of a label ... that can be changed anyway after later, it's weird that it's a blocker. First you talk about a new qualifier, then you talk about using qualifiers at all, and you don't provide any alternative. To me it's like you just want to oppose and just provide any nonsense explanation. To me this vote is still invalid because of poor justification. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:48:00.000Z-Micru-2016-03-25T15:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" class="extiw" title="w:Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)The label is confusing because it deals with classes and it deals with selection of classes without mentioning that. "Class selector" was just a suggestion to make it more clear, if you think you can come up with a better label, please feel free to propose it, but "union of" is not self-explanatory, which I think it should be a requirement to wide use properties like this one. It is common to ask for label changes, or oppose properties based on their label, nothing weird about it, as you seem to imply. Regarding the qualifier issue, I think you understood me wrong, my concern is not about a "new qualifier" but about needing a qualifier at all. Why do you need to use <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a>? Why not to use the property directly with the values? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)">Micru</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Micru (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Micru-2016-03-25T17:03:00.000Z-TomT0m-2016-03-25T15:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><ul><li>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Micru&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Micru (page does not exist)"><bdi>Micru</bdi></a>: qualifier : Please read the proposal and the followed discussion, this is extensively explained, and I won't explain that again. Name: this is blocking things for a way minor issue. Do you really could provide example of usecases where it could be misused ? I don't. So at that point this is a non problem to me, and we should not wait another year for a non problem. If we add to do this for every item in every language, we would never finish because there will always be an ambiguity somewhere somehow. We have a lot of properties with similar name and this is not a blocker. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-04-03T17:00:00.000Z-Micru-2016-03-25T17:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 3 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support See <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a>'s SPARQL query above, there are a large number of cases in wikidata right now that are using "has part" to handle this sort of situation; I believe this would be a better model for that information for the reasons he has given here. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2016-03-25T16:50:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée"><bdi>Visite fortuitement prolongée</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith"><bdi>ArthurPSmith</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done, after long deliberation. I think there is consensus that we should have these properties, the only question was, how it is going to be implemented: with qualifiers or without. (Sidenote: The correct solution would be to use something like rdf:List, but we don't have anything like that at the moment. I <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#rdf:List_equivalent.3F" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:Contact the development team">asked the development team about it here</a>.) In the end there was enough support for the proposal as is (i.e. with using a dummy value) that I created the properties using it. (I added a special value <a href="/wiki/Q23766486" title="Q23766486">list of values as qualifiers (Q23766486)</a>, instead of reusing "no value" or "unknown value", which don't seem to fit.) One of the examples given only works with this solution anyways. I think we need to gain some experience with this property, and if we learn that it doesn't work out, we can always change it. It's a wiki after all. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-09T12:01:00.000Z-disjoint_union_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:01, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="voting_system" data-mw-thread-id="h-voting_system-2015-10-22T23:08:00.000Z">voting system</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Withdrawn</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>this type of election is made using that voting system</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q182985" title="Q182985">electoral system</a> (Q182985)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>class of elections</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q182985" title="Q182985">electoral system (Q182985)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q890055" title="Q890055">presidential election in France (Q890055)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q890055&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q890055&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <var> Wikidata property </var> ⟨ Q319891 ⟩</div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion and votes</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support but the provided example is not valid, as <a href="/wiki/Q319891" title="Q319891">universal suffrage (Q319891)</a> is not a voting system, but definition of who is permitted to vote. <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q16960741" title="Q16960741">2007 Oregon state elections (Q16960741)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q16960741&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q16960741&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ voting system <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:_voting_system" title="Special:Search/Property: voting system">Search</a> ⟨ Q7942106 ⟩</div> might be better? <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-22T23:08:00.000Z-voting_system" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>: This defines partly the voting system : there is all king of tokens of votes with this property, so this is a class of votes. By combining with other properties we can define precisely the voting system. Or we create a class specifically for the precise definition of the voting system, but this would be a subclass of this item anyway. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-11-15T11:36:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-22T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 15 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose Not in this form. Voting system is quite complex issue with different combination of many characteristics. While it is theoretically possible to create an item for every existing system, many such items would be only applicable to the elections to one body, or even to one instance of elections. I'd rather recommend to create a group of properties describing the characteristics of the election.--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)">Shlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shlomo" title="User talk:Shlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Shlomo-2015-10-23T10:28:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-22T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>Please, make some examples --★ <a href="/wiki/User:Airon90" title="User:Airon90">→ A</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Airon90" title="Special:Contributions/Airon90">ir</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airon90" title="User talk:Airon90">on 90</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Airon90-2015-11-15T11:13:00.000Z-Shlomo-2015-10-23T10:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Let's start from the example given by the proposer. The suggested value <a href="/wiki/Q319891" title="Q319891">universal suffrage (Q319891)</a> is hardly a "voting system" It's more a value, a concept (as the English description of the item also suggests), which has to go all the way through stating principles, preferences, combining them with each other as well with geopolitical conditions and traditions a.s.o. At the end we will get some set of the rules, which could be (with a big portion of benevolence and abstraction) called voting system. Which rules we can derrive from the <a href="/wiki/Q319891" title="Q319891">universal suffrage (Q319891)</a>? Something like: "Every citizen can vote." Really every citizen? Including minors, prisoners, insane, citizens living abroad? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. All these limitation are considered comportable with the concept of <a href="/wiki/Q319891" title="Q319891">universal suffrage (Q319891)</a> and they can (but needn't) be part of the system. And vice versa, we have often elections, where all the "inhabitants" with some kind of permanency status are entitled to vote, irrespective of citizenship. AFAIK elections like this are also described as <a href="/wiki/Q319891" title="Q319891">universal suffrage (Q319891)</a>. Well, at least we can presume, that there is no discrimination based on race, sex, nobility and similar. But this seems a little weak for a definition of a voting system. Today, nearly every election in the world will declare itself "general, equal and democratic". It's the specific rules that show, how much these concepts and principles are really applied.</dd> <dd>Further, the item gives no clue about who can run for the election. Anybody? Citizen? Age limitation? Political party? Person nominated by a political party? Person supported by a petition of ...citizens? Inhabitants? OK, let's say the property is proposed as a "voting" system, not "candidacy" system, but still, the rules for the candidacy are not less crucial for the election than the voting rules.</dd> <dd>Then we come to the election itself. Majority rule, or proportional representation? Take in account, that we usually won't deal with "pure" majority or "pure" proportional systems, surely not in corporate bodies. There are some factors that tell some important parts of the story about the extent of "proportionality" of the election. Like number of election districts, number of representants for each district, election treshold, cogency of tickets vs. possibility of preference votes (in the ticket or across the tickets), mathematical model of converting the number of votes to the number of representants...</dd> <dd>Even the elections for a single position (which are more "majority" type) need some additional information: relative, absolute, or qualified majority? Number of rounds? Elimination of candidates between the rounds?</dd> <dd>And so on...--<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)">Shlomo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shlomo" title="User talk:Shlomo">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Shlomo-2015-11-17T17:24:00.000Z-Airon90-2015-11-15T11:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 17 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shlomo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shlomo (page does not exist)"><bdi>Shlomo</bdi></a>: We don't have to have a plan to put evey details the first time. We can refine the election type in a dedicated item, but we can also put as a value a less specific items that don't contains all the details. That's not a reason to oppose. At first we can use a very generic item likeauthor  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-24T16:05:00.000Z-Shlomo-2015-11-17T17:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. This should be able to have multiple values, as Shlomo said. There will be some dificult cases but that isn't a reason not to go ahead with all the easier cases. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-10-25T20:38:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-22T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Agreed, multiple values are a must, as there are many different items that can be deemed a voting system, and they can be mutually applied to instances of elections. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-28T17:02:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-10-25T20:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 28 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose. The proposed variant is not very useful. But if this property will be like <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q890055" title="Q890055">presidential election in France (Q890055)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q890055&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q890055&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <var> Wikidata property </var> ⟨ Q615255 ⟩</div>, I will support it. —<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik">putnik</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Putnik-2016-02-03T16:32:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-22T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment After some thought - and an edit seen in my watchlist, I think this can be solved by generic classification properties - we may just be talking of election types. I'll withdraw if no opposition. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2016-03-24T16:05:00.000Z-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-22T23:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="target_interest_rate" data-mw-thread-id="h-target_interest_rate-2014-06-07T16:26:00.000Z">target interest rate</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2661" title="Property:P2661">target interest rate</a> (P2661) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2661" title="Property talk:P2661">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>benchmark interest rate of the central bank</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td>number (percent)-invalid datatype (not in <a href="/wiki/Module:I18n/datatype" title="Module:I18n/datatype">Module:i18n/datatype</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Countries</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Positive and negative numbers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>0.75%</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Global Economic Map Bot can do this</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091">Mcnabber091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcnabber091" title="User talk:Mcnabber091">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mcnabber091-2014-06-07T16:26:00.000Z-target_interest_rate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 7 June 2014 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2015-04-27T15:53:00.000Z-target_interest_rate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support as a useful property. I think the datatype should probably be just Quantity. It seems there are two approaching to this property, either without qualifiers, which could mean the current rate, and with qualifiers (start and end time seem appropriate), that would describe the period of time that a rate applied. We could say that the value with no end time (or with end time set to novalue) would be the current value. By the way <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_economy">Template:Infobox_economy</a> has a parameter bankrate that seems to correspond to this property. I don't know if equivalent infoboxes in other languages have an equilavent parameter. <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish">Silverfish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Silverfish" title="User talk:Silverfish">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Silverfish-2015-09-30T21:24:00.000Z-target_interest_rate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 30 September 2015 (UTC)</a> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish"><bdi>Silverfish</bdi></a>: I agree this property should correspond to the infobox parameter bankrate here: <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_economy">Template:Infobox_economy</a> (for example: 5.65%). This property would have multiple values for different dates. <a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091">Mcnabber091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcnabber091" title="User talk:Mcnabber091">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mcnabber091-2015-12-20T03:23:00.000Z-target_interest_rate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:23, 20 December 2015 (UTC)</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091"><bdi>Mcnabber091</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Silverfish" title="User:Silverfish"><bdi>Silverfish</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done, please add examples to the property. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T17:42:00.000Z-target_interest_rate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="consumption_rate_per_capita" data-mw-thread-id="h-consumption_rate_per_capita-2014-09-05T17:31:00.000Z">consumption rate per capita</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2662" title="Property:P2662">consumption rate per capita</a> (P2662) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2662" title="Property talk:P2662">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>rate of consumption of a product divided by the population</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q192270" title="Q192270">consumption</a> (Q192270)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2424752" title="Q2424752">product (Q2424752)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>non-negative quantity with unit of volume over time</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q22656" title="Q22656">petroleum (Q22656)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q22656&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q22656&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ consumption rate per capita <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:_consumption_rate_per_capita" title="Special:Search/Property: consumption rate per capita">Search</a> ⟨  0.013 <a href="/wiki/Q21178489" title="Q21178489">barrels per day (Q21178489)</a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P585" title="Property:P585">point in time (P585)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P585&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨  2007 ⟩</div></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:CCD" title="User:CCD">CCD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CCD" title="User talk:CCD">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support As for consumption, but adjusted for the per capita rate for a given country or region. <a href="/wiki/User:CCD" title="User:CCD">CCD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CCD" title="User talk:CCD">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-CCD-2014-09-05T17:31:00.000Z-consumption_rate_per_capita" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 5 September 2014 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><s><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/15px-Time2wait.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/23px-Time2wait.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Time2wait.svg/30px-Time2wait.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> On hold Pending units data type (cannot be a bare number; is "200 wheat" tonnes, bushes or grains?). <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-03-23T08:25:00.000Z-CCD-2014-09-05T17:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)</a></s></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support for cases where rate of consumption is cited, but total consumption rate and population are not. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-23T17:40:00.000Z-CCD-2014-09-05T17:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support This seems like a good property <a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091">Mcnabber091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcnabber091" title="User talk:Mcnabber091">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mcnabber091-2015-12-15T04:21:00.000Z-consumption_rate_per_capita" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:CCD" title="User:CCD"><bdi>CCD</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091"><bdi>Mcnabber091</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T17:53:00.000Z-consumption_rate_per_capita" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="tier_1_capital_ratio_(CETI)" data-mw-thread-id="h-tier_1_capital_ratio_(CETI)-2015-07-09T14:17:00.000Z">tier 1 capital ratio (CETI)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2663" title="Property:P2663">common equity tier 1 capital ratio (CETI)</a> (P2663) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2663" title="Property talk:P2663">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The ratio of assets a bank holds at any given time</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"ratio" parameter in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/infobox_bank" class="extiw" title="en:infobox bank">en:infobox_bank</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Banks</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>positive numbers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q193199" title="Q193199">UBS (Q193199)</a> → 13.2%</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>référence externe, article de liste de Wikipédia, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Bots should probably be able to extract the data from the annual reports</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Leo Fischer">Leo Fischer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Leo Fischer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Leo_Fischer-2015-07-09T14:17:00.000Z-tier_1_capital_ratio_(CETI)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The banking industry has a mandatory capital ratio requirement for banks (meaning that a bank must hold a minimum amount of money in its coffers at any given time). Its disclosure is required to the authorities. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_III" class="extiw" title="en:Basel III">en:Basel III</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Leo Fischer">Leo Fischer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Leo Fischer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Leo_Fischer-2015-07-09T14:17:00.000Z-tier_1_capital_ratio_(CETI)-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Leo Fischer"><bdi>Leo Fischer</bdi></a>: What type of capital ratio would be required ? Tier1 Common Capital ratio or total capital ratio ? By the way, the capital ratio does not at all mean an amount of money the bank is required to keep in its coffer. It means that when a bank wants to take on more risks, it has to raise more capital.--<a href="/wiki/User:Casper_Tinan" title="User:Casper Tinan">Casper Tinan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casper_Tinan" title="User talk:Casper Tinan">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Casper_Tinan-2015-07-10T20:16:00.000Z-Leo_Fischer-2015-07-09T14:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Casper_Tinan" title="User:Casper Tinan"><bdi>Casper Tinan</bdi></a>: Let's go with Tier1 (CET1) capital ratio one as it will be the easy one to find in publications. <a href="/wiki/User:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Leo Fischer">Leo Fischer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Leo Fischer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Leo_Fischer-2015-07-11T14:09:00.000Z-Casper_Tinan-2015-07-10T20:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>You have datatype="nonnegative numbers", which is invalid. I suspect you mean "number". Also, your example is a percentage, not a number. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-07-11T14:17:00.000Z-Leo_Fischer-2015-07-09T14:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 11 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>This ratio can't be negative, so I figured that nonnegative was the way to indicate it (as well as the fact that it must be between 0-100). Does "numbers" reflect this correctly or is there a more appropiate datatype? <a href="/wiki/User:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Leo Fischer">Leo Fischer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Leo Fischer">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Leo_Fischer-2015-07-13T14:33:00.000Z-Leo_Fischer-2015-07-09T14:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 13 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I changed "allowed values" to 'positive numbers' as that seems closer to what you meant to say. Are sure the number can't be negative? I'm sure some banks have gone bankrupt on occasion and we probably want to record how bad their 'Capitol Ratio' got in the end :) <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-10-06T23:11:00.000Z-Leo_Fischer-2015-07-13T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 6 October 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support I support this property as Tier 1 (CETI) capital ratio. Should the name of this property be changed to 'Tier 1 (CETI) captial ratio'? Will each type of capital ratio need it's own property? <a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091">Mcnabber091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcnabber091" title="User talk:Mcnabber091">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mcnabber091-2015-12-15T03:21:00.000Z-tier_1_capital_ratio_(CETI)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Leo_Fischer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Leo Fischer"><bdi>Leo Fischer</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Casper_Tinan" title="User:Casper Tinan"><bdi>Casper Tinan</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091"><bdi>Mcnabber091</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T18:07:00.000Z-tier_1_capital_ratio_(CETI)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:07, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="sales_figues_(units_sold)" data-mw-thread-id="h-sales_figues_(units_sold)-2015-10-01T07:47:00.000Z">sales figues (units sold)</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2664" title="Property:P2664">units sold</a> (P2664) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2664" title="Property talk:P2664">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>sales figures of an object</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#quantity" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Quantity</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>unitssold in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_information_appliance" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox information appliance">en:template:infobox information appliance</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>DVDs, video games, cars, IPhones, etc.</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>positive numbers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q5812783" title="Q5812783">Samsung Galaxy S4 (Q5812783)</a> → 6000000</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Toru10" title="User:Toru10">Toru10</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Toru10" title="User talk:Toru10">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Toru10-2015-10-01T07:47:00.000Z-sales_figues_(units_sold)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:47, 1 October 2015 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-10-06T23:06:00.000Z-Toru10-2015-10-01T07:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:06, 6 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support as "total sold" to pair with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1092" title="Property:P1092">total produced (P1092)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-23T18:36:00.000Z-Toru10-2015-10-01T07:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support @<a href="/wiki/User:Toru10" title="User:Toru10"><bdi>Toru10</bdi></a>: How about 'Units sold'? <a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091">Mcnabber091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcnabber091" title="User talk:Mcnabber091">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mcnabber091-2015-12-15T03:10:00.000Z-Toru10-2015-10-01T07:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:10, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support 'Units sold' seems good <a href="/wiki/User:Aude" title="User:Aude">Aude</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Aude" title="User talk:Aude">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Aude-2016-02-21T22:57:00.000Z-Toru10-2015-10-01T07:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Toru10" title="User:Toru10"><bdi>Toru10</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner"><bdi>Joshbaumgartner</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091"><bdi>Mcnabber091</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Aude" title="User:Aude"><bdi>Aude</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T18:16:00.000Z-sales_figues_(units_sold)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="central_government_revenue" data-mw-thread-id="h-central_government_revenue-2013-08-24T19:05:00.000Z">central government revenue</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>total revenue generated by the central government. not to be confused with tax revenue.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Country, region and city articles for the Global Economic Map</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>number with 'currency' dimension</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>$400 billion</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Documents/101212%20Tables%202%20and%203.pdf">http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Documents/101212%20Tables%202%20and%203.pdf</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.census.gov/govs/local/">http://www.census.gov/govs/local/</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://openspending.org/">https://openspending.org/</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Bots should be doing this task</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091">Mcnabber091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcnabber091" title="User talk:Mcnabber091">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mcnabber091-2013-08-24T19:05:00.000Z-central_government_revenue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><s> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support--<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) 20:51, 24 August 2013 (UTC)</s><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose We have <a href="/wiki/Property:P2139" title="Property:P2139">total revenue (P2139)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2013-08-24T20:51:00.000Z-Mcnabber091-2013-08-24T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok">Danrok</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Danrok" title="User talk:Danrok">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Danrok-2013-08-26T20:11:00.000Z-Mcnabber091-2013-08-24T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw">Emw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Emw" title="User talk:Emw">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Emw-2013-10-15T02:49:00.000Z-Mcnabber091-2013-08-24T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 15 October 2013 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Values should have qualifiers as the specific year of the statistic and currency.<a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091">Mcnabber091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcnabber091" title="User talk:Mcnabber091">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mcnabber091-2015-12-20T04:18:00.000Z-Mcnabber091-2013-08-24T19:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091"><bdi>Mcnabber091</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Danrok" title="User:Danrok"><bdi>Danrok</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw"><bdi>Emw</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600" /> Not done, duplicate with <a href="/wiki/Property:P2139" title="Property:P2139">total revenue (P2139)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T18:25:00.000Z-central_government_revenue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> @<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau"><bdi>Srittau</bdi></a>: I don't think this is a duplicate with <a href="/wiki/Property:P2139" title="Property:P2139">total revenue (P2139)</a>. There needs to be a property specifically for the central government fiscal revenue that would apply to a country. 'Total revenue' of a country doesn't make perfect sense. <a href="/wiki/User:Mcnabber091" title="User:Mcnabber091">Mcnabber091</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcnabber091" title="User talk:Mcnabber091">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mcnabber091-2016-04-09T15:16:00.000Z-central_government_revenue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="corresponding_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-corresponding_template-2016-03-01T18:33:00.000Z">corresponding template</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2667" title="Property:P2667">corresponding template</a> (P2667) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2667" title="Property talk:P2667">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>link the one-value-template that bear the same meaning than the property</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q18616576" title="Q18616576">Wikidata property (Q18616576)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11266439" title="Q11266439">Wikimedia template (Q11266439)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P301" title="Property:P301">category's main topic (P301)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q6383110" title="Q6383110">Template:Cat main (Q6383110)</a>; <a href="/wiki/Property:P373" title="Property:P373">Commons category (P373)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q48029" title="Q48029">Template:Commons category (Q48029)</a>; <a href="/wiki/Property:P1889" title="Property:P1889">different from (P1889)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q6458914" class="mw-redirect" title="Q6458914">Template:Distinguish (Q6458914)</a>;</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> Motivation: Such property might be usefull. Also, some bots have used <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Template:Cat_main" class="extiw" title="w:en:Template:Cat main">w:en:Template:Cat main</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Template:Commons_category" class="extiw" title="w:en:Template:Commons category">w:en:Template:Commons category</a> to feed Wikidata. Proposed by: <a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée">Visite fortuitement prolongée</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User talk:Visite fortuitement prolongée">talk</a>) <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment <a href="/wiki/Property:P1424" title="Property:P1424">topic's main template (P1424)</a> could do. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-03-01T18:33:00.000Z-corresponding_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e" title="User:Visite fortuitement prolongée"><bdi>Visite fortuitement prolongée</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done, no objections. <a href="/wiki/Property:P1424" title="Property:P1424">topic's main template (P1424)</a> is not really the same and we would lose the constraints on it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T22:16:00.000Z-corresponding_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="stability_of_value_of_property" data-mw-thread-id="h-stability_of_value_of_property-2015-10-01T10:42:00.000Z">stability of value of property</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2668" title="Property:P2668">stability of property value</a> (P2668) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2668" title="Property talk:P2668">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>likelihood that the statement created with this property will change</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>property</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>items for specific update frequencies.</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P569" title="Property:P569">date of birth (P569)</a> → "never changes"</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P1082" title="Property:P1082">population (P1082)</a> → "continuously changes"</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Property:P39" title="Property:P39">position held (P39)</a> → "new values can be added while the person is alive"</li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support In combination with the point in time qualifier, this can be used to evaluate need for updates. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2015-10-01T10:42:00.000Z-stability_of_value_of_property" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 1 October 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Please provide a description. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-11-24T20:28:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-10-01T10:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support I like it along with <a href="/wiki/Property:P2429" title="Property:P2429">expected completeness (P2429)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mat%C4%9Bj_Such%C3%A1nek" title="User:Matěj Suchánek">Matěj Suchánek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mat%C4%9Bj_Such%C3%A1nek" title="User talk:Matěj Suchánek">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Matěj_Suchánek-2016-02-29T09:46:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-10-01T10:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li>Maybe this should be restated in terms of ranking? If something is changing, that means we should always a) have a preferred value which is the current period and b) retain the data from previous. --<a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno">Izno</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Izno" title="User talk:Izno">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Izno-2015-11-24T19:20:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-10-01T10:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I haven't made any items as values for this property, but the nature of change or update mode seem good points to include. These can be a factor in ranking. Maybe we should seek a standardized way to describe on a property level what we think gets this or that rank. It could clarify things. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2015-11-24T19:47:00.000Z-Izno-2015-11-24T19:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mat%C4%9Bj_Such%C3%A1nek" title="User:Matěj Suchánek"><bdi>Matěj Suchánek</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Izno" title="User:Izno"><bdi>Izno</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done. I also created <a href="/wiki/Q23611288" title="Q23611288">never changes (Q23611288)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q23611587" title="Q23611587">continuously changes / unstable identifier (Q23611587)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Q23611840" title="Q23611840">values can be added (Q23611840)</a> as instances of <a href="/wiki/Q23611439" title="Q23611439">Wikidata property change frequency (Q23611439)</a>. Please add as necessary. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T22:42:00.000Z-stability_of_value_of_property" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="number_of_rooms" data-mw-thread-id="h-number_of_rooms-2016-03-25T08:27:00.000Z">number of rooms</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Withdrawn</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>number of rooms a hotel (or other building) has</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><code class="nowrap" style="">|number_of_rooms=</code> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_building" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Infobox building">en:Template:Infobox building</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>buildings or other structures that have rooms or corresponding units.</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>integers</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q698095" title="Q698095">Hotel Adlon (Q698095)</a> → 382</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Many building templates have a number of rooms parameter to indicate how many rooms a building or a hotel have. In the case of hotels, the number of rooms is a common measure of how large the hotel is compared to other hotels. <a href="/wiki/User:Mippzon" title="User:Mippzon">Mippzon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mippzon" title="User talk:Mippzon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mippzon-2016-03-25T08:27:00.000Z-number_of_rooms" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:27, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose. Use <a href="/wiki/Property:P527" title="Property:P527">has part(s) (P527)</a> for (bed)rooms, suites etc. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T13:43:00.000Z-Mippzon-2016-03-25T08:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: Could you show an example on an item? I think I know what you mean and it sounds reasonable, but I would like to see it in practice :) //<a href="/wiki/User:Mippzon" title="User:Mippzon">Mippzon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mippzon" title="User talk:Mippzon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mippzon-2016-03-27T16:56:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-25T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mippzon" title="User:Mippzon"><bdi>Mippzon</bdi></a>: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/316039623" title="Special:Diff/316039623">My pleasure</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-27T17:04:00.000Z-Mippzon-2016-03-27T16:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Make much more sense than my property proposal :) //<a href="/wiki/User:Mippzon" title="User:Mippzon">Mippzon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mippzon" title="User talk:Mippzon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mippzon-2016-04-05T18:17:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-27T17:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I'll take that as a withdrawal. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-05T20:40:00.000Z-Mippzon-2016-04-05T18:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 5 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Correct! //<a href="/wiki/User:Mippzon" title="User:Mippzon">Mippzon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mippzon" title="User talk:Mippzon">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Mippzon-2016-04-06T06:11:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-04-05T20:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 6 April 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment The number of rooms is also used in a broader context when speaking about a tourist destination, like a city, to stress the <a href="/wiki/Q2937179" title="Q2937179">hotel capacity (Q2937179)</a> of that place. Therefore, if the property is created, I wonder if the allowed values should not include any populated place, on top of hotels and such. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-26T09:16:00.000Z-Mippzon-2016-03-25T08:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment The allowed values should also include <a href="/wiki/Q2055880" title="Q2055880">passenger vessel (Q2055880)</a> and subclasses. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-26T19:51:00.000Z-Mippzon-2016-03-25T08:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support, provided the possible use is widened as detailed above. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-26T19:51:00.000Z-Mippzon-2016-03-25T08:27:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose per Andy. --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2016-03-29T16:34:00.000Z-Mippzon-2016-03-25T08:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:34, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Emot Hotels do not only have rooms to rent, but also rooms to store sheets, instant coffee and pickles, so a more specific approach like that Andy shows would make more sense. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander" title="User:Innocent bystander">Innocent bystander</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander" title="User talk:Innocent bystander">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Innocent_bystander-2016-03-30T14:41:00.000Z-Mippzon-2016-03-25T08:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="artistic_technique/art_technique" data-mw-thread-id="h-artistic_technique/art_technique-2015-07-01T22:23:00.000Z">artistic technique/art technique</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>technique which was used to make the work of art</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11177771" title="Q11177771">artistic technique</a> (Q11177771)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"Тип" in <a href="https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9C%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC" class="extiw" title="ru:Шаблон:Мультфильм">ru:Шаблон:Мультфильм</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q386724" title="Q386724">work (Q386724)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11177771" title="Q11177771">artistic technique (Q11177771)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q4341995" title="Q4341995">Last Year's Snow Was Falling (Q4341995)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q870889" title="Q870889">clay animation (Q870889)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q470541" title="Q470541">The Vale of Rest (Q470541)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q174705" title="Q174705">oil painting (Q174705)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>any</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Now filming technique is marked either by <a href="/wiki/Property:P136" title="Property:P136">genre (P136)</a> or simplify by instancing type of film (<a href="/wiki/Q4341995" title="Q4341995">Last Year's Snow Was Falling (Q4341995)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q18089617" title="Q18089617">clay animation film (Q18089617)</a>). Although I am not against second variant, the type "genre" seem to me not exact or simply wrong. I am planning to replace P136 values which corresponds to different <a href="/wiki/Q3516833" title="Q3516833">animation technique (Q3516833)</a>/<a href="/wiki/Q1415315" class="mw-redirect" title="Q1415315">cinematic technique (Q1415315)</a> with requested property. <a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius" title="User talk:Infovarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Infovarius-2015-07-01T22:23:00.000Z-artistic_technique/art_technique" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 1 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>No consensus on original proposal, so changing it according to most comments. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu">Andreasm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andreasmperu" title="User talk:Andreasmperu">háblame / just talk to me</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Andreasmperu-2015-11-09T00:14:00.000Z-Infovarius-2015-07-01T22:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support As long as it is renamed <a href="/wiki/Q11177771" title="Q11177771">artistic technique (Q11177771)</a>, so it can include also <a href="/wiki/Q560311" title="Q560311">literary technique (Q560311)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1231896" title="Q1231896">painting technique (Q1231896)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1415315" class="mw-redirect" title="Q1415315">cinematic technique (Q1415315)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q1439691" title="Q1439691">photographic technique (Q1439691)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q3514338" title="Q3514338">printing technique (Q3514338)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q6942574" title="Q6942574">music performance technique (Q6942574)</a>, and so on. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu">Andreasm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andreasmperu" title="User talk:Andreasmperu">háblame / just talk to me</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Andreasmperu-2015-07-02T02:05:00.000Z-artistic_technique/art_technique" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I had a look at what links to <a href="/wiki/Q174705" title="Q174705">oil painting (Q174705)</a> and found <a href="/wiki/Q470541" title="Q470541">The Vale of Rest (Q470541)</a>. This has the statement <<a href="/wiki/Property:P186" title="Property:P186">made from material (P186)</a>:<a href="/wiki/Q174705" title="Q174705">oil painting (Q174705)</a>>. I don't think P186 is quite right here and I think a generic version of the property proposed here would be better. <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support if the property is made more general so it can be used for all sorts of art works, as <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu">Andreasm</a>'s comment. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-07-12T01:48:00.000Z-Andreasmperu-2015-07-02T02:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment I would indeed use <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> for that, for example <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Wallace and Grommit ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P31&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ Stop motion film ⟩</div> (for example the description of <a href="/wiki/Q870889" title="Q870889">clay animation (Q870889)</a> in english is clear ... stop-motion animation made using malleable clay models it's a subclass of animation movie. Stop motion is an artistic form, like a <a href="/wiki/Q223393" title="Q223393">literary genre (Q223393)</a> so it's essentially a type of work. But I agree we need to be more able to define what is stop motion ... and which type of materials the artists uses when they build the work : drawings for old Walt Disney, CGIs for modern animations, papers, ... so i'll <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose the creation of what is essentialy a specialized property, but I will <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support the creation of properties to describe more precisely the material and techniques used for the kind of artworks. <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-07-16T18:20:00.000Z-Andreasmperu-2015-07-02T02:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 16 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Q870889" title="Q870889">clay animation (Q870889)</a> is a technique, so using <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Wallace and Grommit ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P31&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q870889" title="Q870889">clay animation (Q870889)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q870889&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q870889&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> is strange. Instead one can use <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ Wallace and Grommit ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P31&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18089617" title="Q18089617">clay animation film (Q18089617)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18089617&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18089617&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div>. But I'd prefer to use specific type property which would allow to set specific constraints. --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius" title="User talk:Infovarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Infovarius-2015-08-09T10:58:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-07-16T18:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:58, 9 August 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose as specifically for films, but <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support as a broader 'production technique' (method or technique used to create or produce the subject) that could be used as follows: <dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q4341995" title="Q4341995">Last Year's Snow Was Falling (Q4341995)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q4341995&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q4341995&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ production technique <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:production_technique" title="Special:Search/Property:production technique">Search</a> ⟨ 870889 ⟩</div></dd> <dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q182323" title="Q182323">Ford Model T (Q182323)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q182323&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q182323&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ production technique <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:production_technique" title="Special:Search/Property:production technique">Search</a> ⟨ Q455037 ⟩</div></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-09-20T07:43:00.000Z-Andreasmperu-2015-07-02T02:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:43, 20 September 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment <a href="/wiki/Property:P2079" title="Property:P2079">fabrication method (P2079)</a> is what you are looking for. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-02-27T01:46:00.000Z-artistic_technique/art_technique" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:46, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Therefore <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-01T18:29:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-02-27T01:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Good point! May be this property is really enough. What do you think, @<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu"><bdi>Andreasmperu</bdi></a>:? --<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius">Infovarius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Infovarius" title="User talk:Infovarius">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Infovarius-2016-03-02T16:31:00.000Z-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-01T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 2 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It does not sound quite right. <a href="/wiki/Property:P2079" title="Property:P2079">fabrication method (P2079)</a> (at least at its current state) is related to <a href="/wiki/Q1408288" title="Q1408288">manufacturing process (Q1408288)</a>, so it seems to refer to a product, but a <a href="/wiki/Q838948" title="Q838948">work of art (Q838948)</a> is not necessarily tangible. For instance, <a href="/wiki/Q6942574" title="Q6942574">music performance technique (Q6942574)</a> would be left out. <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu">Andreasm</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andreasmperu" title="User talk:Andreasmperu">háblame / just talk to me</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Andreasmperu-2016-03-08T15:56:00.000Z-Infovarius-2016-03-02T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Infovarius" title="User:Infovarius"><bdi>Infovarius</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Andreasmperu" title="User:Andreasmperu"><bdi>Andreasmperu</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600" /> Not done, dupe with <a href="/wiki/Property:P2079" title="Property:P2079">fabrication method (P2079)</a>, which specifically states artworks in its domain and examples. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T13:51:00.000Z-artistic_technique/art_technique" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:51, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>As an aside: the proposal for P2079 was actually made after this proposal, so it could not be found when this proposal was made. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T13:53:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-03-27T13:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="replies_to" data-mw-thread-id="h-replies_to-2015-10-31T18:37:00.000Z">replies to</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2675" title="Property:P2675">reply to</a> (P2675) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2675" title="Property talk:P2675">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>intellectual work that directly reacts to a previosly work</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> : <a href="/wiki/Q15621286" title="Q15621286">intellectual work (Q15621286)</a> or its subclasses</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Property:P31" title="Property:P31">instance of (P31)</a> : <a href="/wiki/Q15621286" title="Q15621286">intellectual work (Q15621286)</a> or its subclasses</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q21283498" title="Q21283498">The Dean's Answer to The Rebus (Q21283498)</a> ← <a href="/wiki/Q21283228" title="Q21283228">A Rebus (Q21283228)</a> (see <code>|notes =</code> field on en.Wikisource pages); Q21283498 will receive P<new>:Q21283228</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q19539136" title="Q19539136">Flor e Fruto (Q19539136)</a> ← <a href="/wiki/Q19555120" title="Q19555120">Menina e Moça (Q19555120)</a> (see <code>|notas =</code> field on pt.Wikisource page for <a href="/wiki/Q19539136" title="Q19539136">Flor e Fruto (Q19539136)</a>); Q19539136 will receive P<new>:Q19555120</li> <li>complex example (A replied by B that got a new reply on C), featuring this proposed property and the following below, on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2015/10#.22replies.22" title="Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2015/10">Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2015/10#.22replies.22</a></li></ul></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Complementary property to the proposed above. A simple software reverse feature won't be enough. I can't have examples ATM to present to you, but a given work can be created in reply to one or more works but a third reply can be created only in response to a portion of the works-tree. Example: <dl><dd><ul><li>A is replied on B</li> <li>C is replied on D</li> <li>E replies to B and D</li> <li>F replies to A→B→E without any mention to the C→D→E sequence </li></ul></dd></dl> This complementary property can be delayed to get created only in the stage that the hypothetical F (not so hypothetical, I only don't remember any of this situation presently, but it certainly is somewhere else) appears on Wikidata. But to make consistency will be necessary to fill all previous records with this kind of data. Creating the property right now at the very same time than the other proposed property will prevent us of being crazy with this: we just start to store this in both directions/entries (maybe with some sort of bot help to check if both pages/entries have both directions of data; IF a is a response to b BUT b didn't says that is replied on a, bot adds b→a record on b page). <a href="/wiki/User:555" title="User:555">Lugusto</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:555" title="User talk:555">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-555-2015-10-31T18:37:00.000Z-replies_to" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-11-08T09:59:00.000Z-555-2015-10-31T18:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:59, 8 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Neutral leaning <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose. We already have a number of properties that are probably adequate to this purpose: <a href="/wiki/Property:P737" title="Property:P737">influenced by (P737)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P941" title="Property:P941">inspired by (P941)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P144" title="Property:P144">based on (P144)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Swpb-2016-02-02T14:17:00.000Z-555-2015-10-31T18:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:555" title="User:555"><bdi>555</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb"><bdi>Swpb</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done, only lean opposition. None of the properties mentioned seem to really fit a direct answer of one work to another. I tried to make that clear in the English property description. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T21:57:00.000Z-replies_to" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="rating_certificate_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-rating_certificate_ID-2015-12-15T06:56:00.000Z">rating certificate ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2676" title="Property:P2676">rating certificate ID</a> (P2676) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2676" title="Property talk:P2676">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>reference certificate identifier of content rating decisions, mandatory qualifier for rating properties like <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P2363" title="Property:P2363">NMHH film rating (P2363)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Property:P2629" title="Property:P2629">BBFC rating (P2629)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1657&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18665339" title="Q18665339">PG-13 (Q18665339)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18665339&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18665339&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → 50155 <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1981&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q20644796" title="Q20644796">FSK 12 (Q20644796)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q20644796&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q20644796&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → 156536/K <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2363" title="Property:P2363">NMHH film rating (P2363)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2363&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q21571488" title="Q21571488">Category III (Q21571488)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q21571488&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q21571488&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → NFT/23332/2015 <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q6074" title="Q6074">Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (Q6074)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q6074&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2629" title="Property:P2629">BBFC rating (P2629)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2629&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q23301855" title="Q23301855">12A certificate (Q23301855)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q23301855&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q23301855&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → AZF321567 <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q1757288" title="Q1757288">Mad Max: Fury Road (Q1757288)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1757288&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1757288&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1657&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18665344" title="Q18665344">R (Q18665344)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18665344&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18665344&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → 49693 <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q1757288" title="Q1757288">Mad Max: Fury Road (Q1757288)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1757288&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1757288&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1981&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q20644797" title="Q20644797">FSK 16 (Q20644797)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q20644797&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q20644797&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → 151509/K, 151509/V <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q1757288" title="Q1757288">Mad Max: Fury Road (Q1757288)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1757288&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1757288&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2363" title="Property:P2363">NMHH film rating (P2363)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2363&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q21571489" title="Q21571489">Category IV (Q21571489)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q21571489&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q21571489&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → NFT/22632/2015 <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q1757288" title="Q1757288">Mad Max: Fury Road (Q1757288)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1757288&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1757288&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2629" title="Property:P2629">BBFC rating (P2629)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2629&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q4550895" title="Q4550895">15 certificate (Q4550895)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q4550895&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q4550895&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → AZF321870</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>different for each property <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://filmratings.com">filmratings.com</a> for <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a> (certificate #)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.spio-fsk.de/">spio-fsk.de</a> for <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a> (Prüfnummer)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://nmhh.hu/dokumentum/153208/terjesztett_filmalkotasok_art_filmek_nyilvantartasa.xlsx">property's source .xlsx</a> for <a href="/wiki/Property:P2363" title="Property:P2363">NMHH film rating (P2363)</a> (nyilvántartási szám)</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.bbfc.co.uk/">bbfc.co.uk</a> for <a href="/wiki/Property:P2629" title="Property:P2629">BBFC rating (P2629)</a> (BBFC reference)</li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>for <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a> it could be imported from IMDb along with the rating itself</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> In case of <a href="/wiki/Property:P2363" title="Property:P2363">NMHH film rating (P2363)</a>, this certificate number is featured on movie posters and home media covers along with the rating itself, and would help finding the film's record in the .xlsx given as source on the property page. <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a> has a similar number which is listed on filmratings.com and IMDb. Most content rating systems have a similar reference certificate number. <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2015-12-15T06:56:00.000Z-rating_certificate_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Should be, say, "rating certificate ID", as the examples include letters. Also, perhaps we need a separate property for each issuing body, so that we can use formatter URLs? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-15T17:02:00.000Z-Máté-2015-12-15T06:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>MPAA calls its own ID "certificate #" that is why I chose the name, but I'm happy either way. (NMHH also calls its own "nyilvántartási szám [registry number]" but it's like production and serial numbers, those also contain letters, don't they?) As for the formatter URLs—it may be a good idea to have separate ones, if there really are content rating bodies where you can access the decisions by an URL containing the certificate number, but in the case of these two specific examples, it is not so (in case of NMHH it makes it easier to find the decision in the spreadsheet, but you can't link to it). The main use is being able to differentiate among multiple ratings for the same item (when it's revised, or when there are several cuts/releases).</dd> <dd>For <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a>'s Prüfnummer it may work though, but we'd also need the yymm: <div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q14488725" title="Q14488725">The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (Q14488725)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q14488725&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q14488725&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1981&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q20644796" title="Q20644796">FSK 12 (Q20644796)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q20644796&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q20644796&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.spio-fsk.de/asp/filestream.asp?dir=karte&file=1507\153302K.pdf">153302/K</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.spio-fsk.de/asp/filestream.asp?dir=karte&file=1510\153302V.pdf">153302/V</a>.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2015-12-15T19:56:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-15T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: So, what say you? I changed the name, but on this limited sample (these are all the film rating properties we have right now) it doesn't seem to be useful to split it to multiply qualifiers since URL formatting is not an option, even for FSK it could only be computed from this qualifier and <a href="/wiki/Property:P585" title="Property:P585">point in time (P585)</a> (which could be added as another compulsory qualifier to these properties, btw). – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2015-12-30T21:30:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-15T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 30 December 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> I'm halting uploading data for NMHH till this is sorted. @<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik"><bdi>putnik</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mps" title="User:Mps"><bdi>Mps</bdi></a>: maybe you have something to add as you proposed the MPAA and FSK properties? – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2016-01-21T08:33:00.000Z-rating_certificate_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>: This property is really necessary, but I don't know whether it should be a qualifier, or better to create it as a separate property. As I understand it, is's not just a rating certificate, it's a film certificate (including a rating). It may be benefits from the use of this data separately from the rankings. —<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik">putnik</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Putnik-2016-01-31T21:01:00.000Z-Máté-2016-01-21T08:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik"><bdi>putnik</bdi></a>: in the above examples the IDs correspond to certain rating decisions (e.g. FSK had two IDs for Mad Max, one for the theatrical release, one for home media, albeit with the same preceding number. This example may help: <dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q919649" title="Q919649">The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Q919649)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q919649&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q919649&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1657&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18665339" title="Q18665339">PG-13 (Q18665339)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18665339&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18665339&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → 49469</dd> <dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q919649" title="Q919649">The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (Q919649)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q919649&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q919649&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P1657&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q18665344" title="Q18665344">R (Q18665344)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q18665344&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q18665344&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part (P518)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P518&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q240862" title="Q240862">director's cut (Q240862)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q240862&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q240862&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩</div> → 49971</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Q4997083" title="Q4997083">Bully (Q4997083)</a> originally had an <a href="/wiki/Q18665344" title="Q18665344">R (Q18665344)</a> rating and received a <a href="/wiki/Q18665339" title="Q18665339">PG-13 (Q18665339)</a> the following year. But three of the seven cuts of <a href="/wiki/Q184843" title="Q184843">Blade Runner (Q184843)</a> have their own IDs as well (all three of them are <a href="/wiki/Q18665344" title="Q18665344">R (Q18665344)</a> ratings).</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2016-01-31T21:35:00.000Z-Putnik-2016-01-31T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T20:50:00.000Z-Máté-2016-01-21T08:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik"><bdi>putnik</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done as a qualifier. I used different movies as examples for different rating systems, so it works correctly. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T22:37:00.000Z-rating_certificate_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="relative_position_within_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-relative_position_within_image-2015-12-15T23:51:00.000Z">relative position within image</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2677" title="Property:P2677">relative position within image</a> (P2677) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2677" title="Property talk:P2677">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>For use as a qualifier on a <a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> statement, to identify where a detail is located inside an image relative to the image as a whole.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q19953492" title="Q19953492">Idleness (Q19953492)</a> <a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q146" title="Q146">house cat (Q146)</a> → "pct:65,81,35,15"</td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>pct:\d?(\d?\.\d*)?\d\,\d?(\d?\.\d*)?\d,\d?(\d?\.\d*)?\d,\d?(\d?\.\d*)?\d</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>primarily likely to be user-supplied using a specific tool; but in some cases might possibly be available from external references</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=$P18/$1/,240/0/default.jpg (where $P18 is the value of property P18)</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>I would imagine a tool similar to the crop-tool on Commons, challenging the user whether can they find this item as a detail in this image, and to move a rectangle around the detail if they can.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> At the moment, the Crotos tool can show paintings that include depictions of particular things, noted by the P180 statement -- eg here are some paintings with items that include <a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q146" title="Q146">house cat (Q146)</a> : <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://zone47.com/crotos/?l=en&p=&nb=20&disp=0&s=&y1=-40000&y2=2015&p31=&p180=146">Crotos</a>. With this property, a similar tool would be able to show just the cats, or just the clocks, or just the examples of whatever particular detail we were interested in, rather than the whole image. Some examples: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q19953492" title="Q19953492">Idleness (Q19953492)</a> : <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> = <a href="/wiki/File:Godward_Idleness_1900.jpg" title="File:Godward Idleness 1900.jpg">File:Godward_Idleness_1900.jpg</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q146" title="Q146">house cat (Q146)</a> : qualifier → "pct:65,81,35,15" <dl><dd>→ <a class="external free" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=Godward_Idleness_1900.jpg/pct:65,81,35,15/,240/0/default.jpg">https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=Godward_Idleness_1900.jpg/pct:65,81,35,15/,240/0/default.jpg</a></dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q19274279" title="Q19274279">The Fruit and Vegetable Costermonger (Q19274279)</a> : <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> = <a href="/wiki/File:Moillon,_Louise_-_The_Fruit_and_Vegetable_Costermonger_-_1631.jpg" title="File:Moillon, Louise - The Fruit and Vegetable Costermonger - 1631.jpg">File:Moillon, Louise - The Fruit and Vegetable Costermonger - 1631.jpg</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q146" title="Q146">house cat (Q146)</a> : qualifier → "pct:83.5,54,20,12" <dl><dd>→ <a class="external free" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=Moillon,_Louise_-_The_Fruit_and_Vegetable_Costermonger_-_1631.jpg/pct:83.5,54,20,12/,240/0/default.jpg">https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=Moillon,_Louise_-_The_Fruit_and_Vegetable_Costermonger_-_1631.jpg/pct:83.5,54,20,12/,240/0/default.jpg</a></dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q19318318" title="Q19318318">Still Life of Fish and Cat (Q19318318)</a> : <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> = <a href="/wiki/File:Clara_Peeters_-_Still_life_with_fish_and_cat.jpg" title="File:Clara Peeters - Still life with fish and cat.jpg">File:Clara Peeters - Still life with fish and cat.jpg</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q146" title="Q146">house cat (Q146)</a> : qualifier → "pct:57,39,45,53" <dl><dd>→ <a class="external free" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=Clara_Peeters_-_Still_life_with_fish_and_cat.jpg/pct:57,39,45,53/,240/0/default.jpg">https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=Clara_Peeters_-_Still_life_with_fish_and_cat.jpg/pct:57,39,45,53/,240/0/default.jpg</a></dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q18809786" title="Q18809786">Entry into Noah's Ark (Q18809786)</a> : <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> = <a href="/wiki/File:Jan_van_Kessel_(I)_005.jpg" title="File:Jan van Kessel (I) 005.jpg">File:Jan van Kessel (I) 005.jpg</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q146" title="Q146">house cat (Q146)</a> : qualifier → "pct:26.5,33,6,7" <dl><dd>→ <a class="external free" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=Jan_van_Kessel_(I)_005.jpg/pct:26.5,33,6,7/,240/0/default.jpg">https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=Jan_van_Kessel_(I)_005.jpg/pct:26.5,33,6,7/,240/0/default.jpg</a></dd></dl></li></ul></li></ul> More details about the IIIF syntax used in the URLs (an international open standard being developed primarily by libraries around the world) can be found at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://iiif.io/api/image/2.0/">http://iiif.io/api/image/2.0/</a> The proposed syntax for the property is intended to be identical to the <code>{region}</code> part of the IIIF URL, so <code>pct:x,y,w,h</code> specifies x-offset (from left), y-offset (down from top), width w, and height h of the crop region (as a percentage of the whole image). The percentage format is particularly useful here, as it makes the property independent of the actual image file used: if the image is later replaced by a different photograph that is a different size, the percentages should be unchanged, so long as both images only show the painted area of the painting (ie not the frame). This should also make the property re-usable, including by users who may have different preferred images of the same painting. It could be quite a treasure hunt to find all the details we have recorded for all the paintings we have items for -- but it makes the P180 statements much more precise and valuable, if we can indicate exactly what is the specific part of the canvas that we are identifing as item Qnnnn. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jheald-2015-12-15T23:51:00.000Z-relative_position_within_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support in principle, but why do we need to store the "pct:" prefix? Also, would there be any advantage in holding four, separate, numerical values? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-16T14:53:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-12-15T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I think "pct:" is useful, because when people read the wikidata item page it makes the numbers more self-explanatory, underlying that they are proportional to the overall size, and that they are percentages out of 100 -- neither of which would necessarily be so obvious without the "pct:". Note also that, in the IIIF standard, if "pct:" is omitted in the <code>{region}</code> part of the URL then the values are interpreted as pixel counts -- something that we would wish to avoid, as it would tie us too closely to one specific scan on Commons, rather than a general statement about the painting as a whole. I think that including the "pct:" helps make more explicit the choice we would making. It doesn't seem to me that we're so hard up for storage space that we should worry too much about four extra characters. As to the second point, I think that because what the property is describing is something that makes sense as a distinctive thing in its own right, namely a region of a larger painting, it makes sense to keep the full specification of that region together as a single value of a single qualifier, rather than breaking it apart across multiple different statements. (It also means that if e.g. a canvas contains images of two cats, the positions of these can then be given with two simple region statements, rather than having to untangle which of 8 different co-ordinate statements belonged to which cat). Most of the time, the all-in-one string format will actually be an advantage, because it can be slotted straight into a IIIF URL. There may be some analyses where one might want the individual numbers -- eg if one wanted to filter to only extract details that take up more than 15% of the painted area. This could be done in SPARQL (though it might be a little slow), using the STRBEFORE and STRAFTER string operators to successively extract the parts of the string before and after each comma. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jheald-2015-12-16T16:09:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-16T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:09, 16 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I don't think there's any precedent for including definitions for humans, ("pct" as "percent") in values, nor do I think it would be wise to introduce one. As for pixels vs percent, that can be covered adequately in the property definition (and formatter URL if any). I do find you argument on my second point convincing. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-12-16T18:32:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-12-16T16:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:32, 16 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support the principle also - could be useful also for P18 on Q5, when the image is a group portrait (or 2-5 people) to indicate which one is the item ;) — don't see the need for pct: indication either --<a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin">Hsarrazin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin" title="User talk:Hsarrazin">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Hsarrazin-2015-12-28T11:42:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-12-15T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 28 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Support here for the principle, too, cf. <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts/Item_structure#Additional_items_for_images?" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure">the idea before we had IIIF support</a>. And I think it should be considered to add the "pct:" though I am not decided about it. I doubt the possibility to preserve the value between different image files. (Pictures get cropped over the history and unfortunately most image files are also at least slightly cropped and not all by the same amount for one physical object. That is why I'd like to propose a slightly more complex system: The <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> statement on the item gets qualifier that relates an image to a reference grid. The <a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> statement gets a qualifier for the relative position that refers to the grid. Like this:</li></ul> <dl><dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q241455" title="Q241455">The Battle of Alexander at Issus (Q241455)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q241455&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q241455&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P18&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/File:Albrecht_altdorfer,_battaglia_di_isso_01.JPG" title="File:Albrecht altdorfer, battaglia di isso 01.JPG">File:Albrecht altdorfer, battaglia di isso 01.JPG</a> ⟩ relative position to reference grid <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:relative_position_to_reference_grid" title="Special:Search/Property:relative position to reference grid">Search</a> ⟨ pct:0,0,100,100/0 ⟩</div></dd> <dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q241455" title="Q241455">The Battle of Alexander at Issus (Q241455)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q241455&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q241455&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P18&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/File:Albrecht_Altdorfer_002.jpg" title="File:Albrecht Altdorfer 002.jpg">File:Albrecht Altdorfer 002.jpg</a> ⟩ relative position to reference grid <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:relative_position_to_reference_grid" title="Special:Search/Property:relative position to reference grid">Search</a> ⟨ pct:59.5,26.5,32.5,30/0 ⟩</div></dd> <dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q241455" title="Q241455">The Battle of Alexander at Issus (Q241455)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q241455&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q241455&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P180&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ <a href="/wiki/Q515" title="Q515">city (Q515)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q515&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q515&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P2677" title="Property:P2677">relative position within image (P2677)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P2677&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ pct:52,46,37,11 ⟩</div></dd> <dd>Advantages: <ul><li>(Almost) completely file independent positions.</li> <li>No need for redundant <a href="/wiki/Property:P180" title="Property:P180">depicts (P180)</a> qualifiers on <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> statements.</li> <li>Creation of a reference grid for two dimensional objects on Wikidata based on Commons images that can be reused by third parties.</li> <li>Reusability of the given relative positions on section images on Commons.</li> <li>Ability to adjust the rotation of a file with the rotation value of IIIF that will probably be necessary in some cases even though the <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/iipsrv.fcgi/?">IIP Image Server</a> does only support 0, 90, 180, 270 and 360 degrees for now. In the example I added an additional "/0" for the <code>relative position to reference grid</code> property.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Disadvantages: <ul><li>More complex system that relies even more on additional tools. (Though the need of tools for an nifty use would probably exist anyway.)</li> <li>Need of two properties.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Yet to be considered: Does a formatter URL with a replacement (from above: "<a class="external free" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=$P18/$1/,240/0/default.jpg">https://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/proxy.php?iiif=$P18/$1/,240/0/default.jpg</a> (where $P18 is the value of property P18)") actually work? How does the implementation work in both systems?</dd> <dd>I also think we should support free forms for regions. This requires an other syntax for the value of the "relative position within image" property. But the outer borders of a free form can easily be evaluated and passed to IIIF.</dd> <dd>Cheers, --<a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium">Marsupium</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marsupium" title="User talk:Marsupium">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Marsupium-2016-01-23T14:48:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-12-15T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium"><bdi>Marsupium</bdi></a>: For use on Wikidata, I think we want to have a property syntax which relates only to the painting, not the image of it. Therefore I would recommend this property formally be used to indicate the relative position within the painted area of the painting.</li></ul> <dl><dd>In most cases (not all cases, but most cases), our P18 "primary image" property does correspond to an image which has been cropped to the painted area. I suggest that, at least to start with, this property should only be formally supported for images where that is the case.</dd> <dd>In cases where the primary image is larger than the painted area (eg where it includes the frame), one could perhaps define another property to indicate relative position of painted area within the image. One would thus be able to specify the relative position of the extract within the painted area, and the painted area relative to the image -- from which the relative position of the extract within the image could be calculated. But that would need specific code, even if just to compute <code>(xP+wPx, yP+hPy, wPw, hPh)</code>, to combine the two into a single cropping instruction to pass on to IIIF.</dd> <dd>For the moment, lets not seek to run before we can walk. My view is that it is worth starting as simply as possible, just to get people used to the idea (and the possibilities) of being able to specify and show just a part of a Commons image. If we start just with what is simple, but possible now, then more sophistication will surely come. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jheald-2016-02-10T23:27:00.000Z-Marsupium-2016-01-23T14:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>As you say: „For use on Wikidata, I think we want to have a property syntax which relates only to the painting, not the image of it.“</dd> <dd>That is exactly the aim of my proposal! In many (or perhaps most) cases essentially two-dimensional visual artworks (the domain of this property should not only be paintings, but it applies to them just as well) do not have a something like a „painted area“. And if they have it it is not possible to define it properly and even less if we cannot go to the original object, take it out of its frame and look where the canvas ends beneath its frame (what will mostly be the case).</dd> <dd>And virtually all images on Commons are cropped and do not represent the outer border of the represented object in real life. I guess the mean value will be something like 1 cm per side, but there are many worse cases we won't even notice without examining the original object. Examples: <a href="/wiki/Q797902" title="Q797902">Head of a Woman (Q797902)</a>: evidently no not cropped image on Commons; <a href="/wiki/Q215486" title="Q215486">Vitruvian Man (Q215486)</a>: Which Commons image shall we take for the <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> statement?; <a href="/wiki/Q2313006" title="Q2313006">Battle of the Centaurs (Q2313006)</a>?; <a href="/wiki/Q2500548" title="Q2500548">Taddei Tondo (Q2500548)</a>?; …</dd> <dd>And also the original objects get cropped during their production or during their history. Printed graphic is not even physically bound in the way that the paper sheet objects produced by one printing plate and unfortunately we cannot refer to printing plates on Wikidata since many are lost and we do not have images for those which survived. Examples: <a href="/wiki/Q219831" title="Q219831">The Night Watch (Q219831)</a>: Shall we take <a href="/wiki/File:The_Nightwatch_by_Rembrandt.jpg" title="File:The Nightwatch by Rembrandt.jpg">File:The Nightwatch by Rembrandt.jpg</a> for the <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> statement? Can we describe then the position of the leftmost person of the state till 1715, cf. <a href="/wiki/File:Nachtwacht-kopie-van-voor-1712.jpg" title="File:Nachtwacht-kopie-van-voor-1712.jpg">File:Nachtwacht-kopie-van-voor-1712.jpg</a>?</dd> <dd>Even with my proposal we run into problems with objects that got sticked together of course.</dd> <dd>And there is yet another occurrence of the problem: What about those items that have more than one <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> statement? The proposed property refers to the first one? When the order gets changed we need to change the qualifiers with the proposed property?</dd> <dd>After all the one additional qualifier with the additional property I proposed is not a big deal in my eyes. It could even be added by bot and will still make our system more stable and Commons image independent (though Commons image defined).</dd> <dd>And to the passing of the value to IIIF: At least for clickable links we will anyway need a tool since we cannot simply give a <a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL (P1630)</a> for the proposed property. And other tools which retrieve the values will probably not have big problems to execute simple subtractions. And if we set the standard to state:</dd> <dd><div style="border: 1px solid #C9C9C9;background-color: #F9F9F9;vertical-align:top;display: inline-block;">⟨ object ⟩ <a href="/wiki/Property:P18" title="Property:P18">image (P18)</a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=P18&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> ⟨ the only image file or possibly first of several and perhaps order constant images files ⟩ relative position to reference grid <a href="/wiki/Special:Search/Property:relative_position_to_reference_grid" title="Special:Search/Property:relative position to reference grid">Search</a> ⟨ pct:0,0,100,100/0 ⟩</div></dd> <dd>those tools do not even have to calculate the values but can simply take them as in your proposal.</dd> <dd><s>Though I'd love to have a property to indicate areas of essentially two-dimensional objects, I actually also {{oppose}} to the introduction of a property which arbitrarily relies on the given borders of one Commons file.</s> --<a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium">Marsupium</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marsupium" title="User talk:Marsupium">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Marsupium-2016-02-11T12:04:00.000Z-Jheald-2016-02-10T23:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a>, changed 14:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC) <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium"><bdi>Marsupium</bdi></a>: You call for perfection, but as a result you would see us end up with nothing.</dd> <dd>What I too would like to see is feature-positioning data that is as reusable as possible -- in particular potentially by museums, galleries, other projects that may have their own images. It would be good for them to be able to combine our feature-positioning data with their images, as painlessly as possible.</dd> <dd>I agree that that means one needs to be able to give features relative to some reference grid -- and it seems to me that, ideally, that reference grid would be based as far as possible on the properties of the object, rather than some abstract set of edges we have defined purely for wikidata. In a very large proportion of cases, it does seem to me that the most obvious features of the work to choose for such reference coordinates would be the opposite corners of the visible painted area -- so, specifically, for a painting the area visible within the frame; and for a print, the corners of the main feature image of the print.</dd> <dd>(And in some cases that might lead to some co-ordinates that were negative, eg to specify a feature in the frame).</dd> <dd>So in broad terms I can see that dependence only on the object to fix a co-ordinate system, rather than any particular image, would be good. But you are right that there are harder cases, when such natural corner points are not so obvious. In such cases, one probably does end up having just to say: this is the particular reference grid we're using. And in such cases the most portable way the most portable way I can see to do that would seem to be to make the key points the opposite corners of a particular reference image. Then at least someone else can use image-matching software to come up with a mapping from those co-ordinates to co-ordinates based on their own image. So in that case one probably does have to declare a reference image.</dd> <dd>And perhaps, it's no bad thing to define the co-ordinates in relation to a particular reference image anyway -- that saves questions like what is the relevant visible painted area. I accept that in the simplest cases, it may not much matter which baseline image one takes, if we're only interested in eg roughly where the rabbit is in the overall picture, which may be only accurate to half a percentage point anyway, so changing one baseline image for another, cropped very slightly differently, may hardly make an appreciable difference. But if we want to allow for higher precision work (eg precisely how one image maps to another) maybe it's not the worst thing in the world for the feature-positioning to be specified formally to be in relation to a particular reference image.</dd> <dd>So having started by thinking that definition with reference to a particular image was a weakness of the proposal, maybe it's not such a bad thing after all.</dd> <dd>Probably though one should allow the possibility to be able to specify a particular reference image as a qualifier, as an override for the default P18, to allow the positioning to be specified relative to that, rather than the default. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jheald-2016-02-11T13:52:00.000Z-Marsupium-2016-02-11T12:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" class="extiw" title="w:Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>) :-) @<a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald"><bdi>Jheald</bdi></a>: Yes, I agree and had changed my mind before your reply. Unfortunately I was AFK some time. I should have made this an additional property proposal before. Sorry! Better late than never though. Would you mind if I moved our discussion there (at the weekend)? --<a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium">Marsupium</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marsupium" title="User talk:Marsupium">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Marsupium-2016-02-11T14:11:00.000Z-Jheald-2016-02-11T13:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment This might work better once there is a Wikidata instance directly on Commons. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-01-24T15:10:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-12-15T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: Not really -- the aim here is to record properties of the underlying painting itself, independent of the image (or images) of it on Commons. This can go ahead and be useful now, without CommonsData. (And for works that have items here, CommonsData wouldn't be the appropriate place to store this information). <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jheald-2016-02-10T22:42:00.000Z-Jura1-2016-01-24T15:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li>I like the idea and would love to have this, but "string" is the wrong datatype so I reluctantly <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose this. Did anyone already file a bug for a datatype which could properly contain this? <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Multichill-2016-02-03T21:09:00.000Z-Jheald-2015-12-15T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill"><bdi>Multichill</bdi></a>: Using string is not the cleanest solution of course. Could this datatype you imagine be used for other properties as well? And do you think the introduction of a new datatype and the necessary tribute to <a href="/wiki/Q131012" title="Q131012">Occam's razor (Q131012)</a> outweigh the practical disadvantages of the need to parse a string for tools? --<a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium">Marsupium</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marsupium" title="User talk:Marsupium">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Marsupium-2016-02-10T20:41:00.000Z-Multichill-2016-02-03T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:41, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Yes, for example for maps. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Multichill-2016-02-10T21:13:00.000Z-Marsupium-2016-02-10T20:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill"><bdi>Multichill</bdi></a>: The advantage of this string is that it can go straight to the IIIF service without any further parsing. IMO, it also fits much better into an RDF/triplestore framework to store all 4 numbers in a single object, rather than splitting them out over 4 different ones, that then have to be kept in sync. Perhaps in future one could migrate the datatype, in a similar way to what is about to be done for the external ID datatype, so that one could offer the 4 numbers individually hung off the statement, as well as the string for the 'simple' value of the property. But let's not let the best become the enemy of the good. With a string value, this can be implemented right now, and we can start gathering the data & showing off what it can do. That doesn't stop us migrating the data to a complicated datatype in due course -- but it means we can go ahead, without having to wait around while somebody might or might not develop it. Developer time is scarce, and they have no shortage of other commitments already in the queue to have to be processed first. <a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald">Jheald</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jheald" title="User talk:Jheald">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jheald-2016-02-10T22:58:00.000Z-Multichill-2016-02-10T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>I see. And it came to my mind that this can also enable the use of free forms rather than rectangular forms which is quite attractive in my eyes! Though I also do not think that the datatype should be an obstacle to create a string property for now. --<a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium">Marsupium</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Marsupium" title="User talk:Marsupium">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Marsupium-2016-02-11T12:04:00.000Z-Multichill-2016-02-10T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:04, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Jheald" title="User:Jheald"><bdi>Jheald</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Hsarrazin" title="User:Hsarrazin"><bdi>Hsarrazin</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Marsupium" title="User:Marsupium"><bdi>Marsupium</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done, including the pct: prefix. The prefix is useful, because it defines the format for the following values. If we get a proper datatype for those kind of values at some point, we can always replace this property with a new one. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T23:02:00.000Z-relative_position_within_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="TV.com_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-TV.com_ID-2015-12-18T11:25:00.000Z">TV.com ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2638" title="Property:P2638">TV.com ID</a> (P2638) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2638" title="Property talk:P2638">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for an entry on TV.com for movies, people and TV series</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q838639" title="Q838639">TV.com</a> (Q838639)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tv.com_show" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Tv.com show">en:Template:Tv.com show</a>,</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>TV series and web series</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><code>(shows|movies|people)/[a-z\d\-/]+</code></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q11622" title="Q11622">Firefly (Q11622)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.tv.com/shows/firefly/"><code>shows/firefly</code></a> (TV series)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q691611" title="Q691611">Serenity (Q691611)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.tv.com/movies/serenity/"><code>movies/serenity</code></a> (movie)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q4160079" title="Q4160079">Jaynestown (Q4160079)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.tv.com/shows/firefly/jaynestown-192878/"><code>shows/firefly/jaynestown-192878</code></a> (episode)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q1616723" title="Q1616723">The Wire, season 1 (Q1616723)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.tv.com/shows/the-wire/season-1/"><code>shows/the-wire/season-1</code></a> (TV season)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q298025" title="Q298025">Joss Whedon (Q298025)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.tv.com/people/joss-whedon/"><code>people/joss-whedon</code></a> (person)</li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tv.com_show" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Tv.com show">en:Template:Tv.com show</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tv.com_movie" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Tv.com movie">en:Template:Tv.com movie</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tv.com_episode" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Tv.com episode">en:Template:Tv.com episode</a>, <a href="https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Format:Tv.com_person" class="extiw" title="ro:Format:Tv.com person">ro:Format:Tv.com person</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.tv.com/$1/</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Bots can import values from various Wikipedias</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> TV.com is a huge database comparable to IMDb which is used extensively in several Wikipedias as a source and for external links, so have properties for it in Wikidata would make linking more efficient. <s>How many properties we should have is up for discussion. As you can see, the ones I've proposed for show, episode and seasons all use the same formatter URL, so they could quite easily be merged into one property. And if we want just one property, we could do that by including the "show"/"movie"/etc part of the URL (so the allowed values would be something like <code>(show|movies|people)/[a-z\d\-/]+</code>), but I personally don't favour that idea as it might get a bit messy. But input would be appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User talk:Jon Harald Søby">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-2015-12-18T11:25:00.000Z-TV.com_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:25, 18 December 2015 (UTC)</a></s> <dl><dd>Changed to just one property. <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User talk:Jon Harald Søby">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-2016-01-05T19:29:00.000Z-Jon_Harald_Søby-2015-12-18T11:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:29, 5 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment regarding the issue of how many properties we need, I think <a href="/wiki/Property:P1258" title="Property:P1258">Rotten Tomatoes ID (P1258)</a> is very similar and it works quite well. - <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2015-12-18T17:27:00.000Z-Jon_Harald_Søby-2015-12-18T11:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 18 December 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>: Since there were no other comments for a while I have reworked the proposal to be about just one property that can take lots of different input instead of one for each. If you approve, please support. <a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby">Jon Harald Søby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User talk:Jon Harald Søby">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-2016-01-05T15:12:00.000Z-Máté-2015-12-18T17:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 5 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support, indeed, I do. – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2016-01-05T15:33:00.000Z-Máté-2015-12-18T17:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-12T06:04:00.000Z-Jon_Harald_Søby-2015-12-18T11:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by" title="User:Jon Harald Søby"><bdi>Jon Harald Søby</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>: --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T21:05:00.000Z-Jon_Harald_Søby-2015-12-18T11:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Russiancinema.ru_film_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Russiancinema.ru_film_ID-2016-01-07T22:04:00.000Z">Russiancinema.ru film ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2678" title="Property:P2678">Russiancinema.ru film ID</a> (P2678) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2678" title="Property talk:P2678">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>id number for films in Russiancinema.ru</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Soviet and Russian films</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>1-7669</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q4110177" title="Q4110177">Q4110177</a> → 912</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://2011.russiancinema.ru/index.php?e_dept_id=2">http://2011.russiancinema.ru/index.php?e_dept_id=2</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://2011.russiancinema.ru/index.php?e_dept_id=2&e_movie_id=$1</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> In order to easily add a link to the related page of Russiancinema.ru for each Wikipedia article about soviet and russian films. <a href="/wiki/User:Antenor81" title="User:Antenor81">Antenor81</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antenor81" title="User talk:Antenor81">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Antenor81-2016-01-07T22:04:00.000Z-Russiancinema.ru_film_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Datatype changed to "string". <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-17T20:22:00.000Z-Antenor81-2016-01-07T22:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007">Edgars2007</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Edgars2007" title="User talk:Edgars2007">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Edgars2007-2016-03-21T07:53:00.000Z-Antenor81-2016-01-07T22:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:53, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Antenor81" title="User:Antenor81"><bdi>Antenor81</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Edgars2007" title="User:Edgars2007"><bdi>Edgars2007</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done, no objections. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T23:13:00.000Z-Russiancinema.ru_film_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:13, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="author_of_preface/foreword/introduction_in_a_book" data-mw-thread-id="h-author_of_preface/foreword/introduction_in_a_book-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z">author of preface/foreword/introduction in a book</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2679" title="Property:P2679">author of foreword</a> (P2679) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2679" title="Property talk:P2679">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>person who write the preface/foreword/introduction of book but who isn't an author of the rest of the book</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1358138" title="Q1358138">foreword</a> (Q1358138)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>books</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>person</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q15771066" title="Q15771066">Bottroper Protokolle (Q15771066)</a> → foreword by <a href="/wiki/Q57387" title="Q57387">Martin Walser (Q57387)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z-author_of_preface/foreword/introduction_in_a_book" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> We have already some specific properties for special contributions to a book (<a href="/wiki/Property:P655" title="Property:P655">translator (P655)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P110" title="Property:P110">illustrator (P110)</a>) so instead of creating a special model using qualifier to store the author of the preface of a book I think we can create a specific property. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z-author_of_preface/foreword/introduction_in_a_book-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20" /> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Books/Participants">WikiProject Books</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Books" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Books">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:45:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Kolja21-2016-01-23T01:24:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:24, 23 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd>Still unsure so <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Symbol_neutral_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_neutral_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Neutral for the moment. <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment did we really need a specific property? Will there be some specific constraints? (I see that <a href="/wiki/Property:P655" title="Property:P655">translator (P655)</a> has only one constraint : which is identical to constraints on <a href="/wiki/Property:P50" title="Property:P50">author (P50)</a>, other constraints on <a href="/wiki/Property:P50" title="Property:P50">author (P50)</a> could apply to <a href="/wiki/Property:P655" title="Property:P655">translator (P655)</a>) What is wrong with using <a href="/wiki/Property:P50" title="Property:P50">author (P50)</a> with qualifiers? If this property is created, how to distinguish the author of the preface(s), of the foreword(s) and of the introduction(s) (and other stuff at the beginning like <a href="/wiki/Q1361348" title="Q1361348">prolegomenon (Q1361348)</a>). Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-VIGNERON-2016-01-24T13:21:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:21, 24 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON"><bdi>VIGNERON</bdi></a>: The question is more simple: currently for preface author, we use <a href="/wiki/Property:P767" title="Property:P767">contributor to the creative work or subject (P767)</a> with the qualifier <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part (P518)</a>: <a href="/wiki/Q670787" title="Q670787">preface (Q670787)</a>. Why do we use this system for preface author and not for illustrator or translator ? I think we should keep an unity in the data structure to avoid to store similar information in different manners. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-02-04T13:37:00.000Z-VIGNERON-2016-01-24T13:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>: very true: unity in structure is essential but I still have some comments 1. why don't we use the same structure with qualifiers for illustrator, translator, etc.? 2. how many specific properties should we create: 10? 100? why not 3 properties to distinguish the writers of preface/foreword/introduction? I feel like one proprety for everyone who is an author lato sensu is easier and better per <a href="/wiki/Q131012" title="Q131012">Occam's razor (Q131012)</a> ; but maybe I'm missing something. Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-VIGNERON-2016-02-04T15:01:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-02-04T13:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-02-27T10:42:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose There shouldn't be a class "books" at all which could serve as domain here. By the FRBR model we are trying to adhere here, there are creative works and their "editions or translations" and prefaces or introductions are something which only applies to the latter. To be more precise, the author of an introduction is - uhm - the author of the introduction as a small work in its own right and some edition encompasses these distinct works. Even if we take some shortcuts here the question is whether the introduction more often than not deserves an WD item of its own? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Gymel-2016-02-27T21:13:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support with qualifer <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part (P518)</a>. <a href="/wiki/Property:P767" title="Property:P767">contributor to the creative work or subject (P767)</a> is too non-specific. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Swpb-2016-02-29T14:59:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel"><bdi>Gymel</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb"><bdi>Swpb</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done. The property constraints require a value instance of <a href="/wiki/Q3331189" title="Q3331189">version, edition or translation (Q3331189)</a>. If it turns out that we need separate objects for forewords/afterwords, we can always add appropriate properties then. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T23:32:00.000Z-author_of_preface/foreword/introduction_in_a_book" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="author_of_postface/afterword/conclusion_in_a_book" data-mw-thread-id="h-author_of_postface/afterword/conclusion_in_a_book-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z">author of postface/afterword/conclusion in a book</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2680" title="Property:P2680">author of afterword</a> (P2680) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2680" title="Property talk:P2680">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>person who write the postface/afterword/conclusion of book but who isn't an author of the rest of the book</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>books</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>person</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>Untergang und Verwandlung (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://d-nb.info/454307977">edition Frankfurt 1956</a>) → afterword by <a href="/wiki/Q120454" title="Q120454">Max Wehrli (Q120454)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:28:00.000Z-author_of_postface/afterword/conclusion_in_a_book" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> We have already some specific properties for special contributions to a book (<a href="/wiki/Property:P655" title="Property:P655">translator (P655)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P110" title="Property:P110">illustrator (P110)</a>) so instead of creating a special model using qualifier to store the author of the postface of a book I think we can create a specific property. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:41:00.000Z-author_of_postface/afterword/conclusion_in_a_book" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20" /> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Books/Participants">WikiProject Books</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Books" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Books">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre">Snipre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Snipre" title="User talk:Snipre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:46:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21">Kolja21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kolja21" title="User talk:Kolja21">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Kolja21-2016-01-23T01:34:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:34, 23 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment same as above. Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-VIGNERON-2016-01-24T13:29:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-02-27T10:42:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support with qualifer <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part (P518)</a>. <a href="/wiki/Property:P767" title="Property:P767">contributor to the creative work or subject (P767)</a> is too non-specific. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Swpb-2016-02-29T15:02:00.000Z-Snipre-2016-01-22T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro"><bdi>Thierry Caro</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb"><bdi>Swpb</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done as above. Please add an example using objects. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T23:33:00.000Z-author_of_postface/afterword/conclusion_in_a_book" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:33, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Copyright_status" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright_status-2016-01-22T17:39:00.000Z">Copyright status</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Copyright status of an artwork; similar to the license codes (PD-Art-100, CC-by-SA, etc) used on Commons but not limited to artworks on Commons, so included other non-Commons supported copyright licenses</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>Commons infobox parameters, if any; ex: "permission" in <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/template:artwork" class="extiw" title="c:template:artwork">c:template:artwork</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>types of copyright licenses</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>type of linked items (Q template or text), list or range of allowed values, string pattern...</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16937070" title="Q16937070">Les toits de Collioure (Q16937070)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q15687022" class="mw-redirect" title="Q15687022">copyright (Q15687022)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>the items to be used should correspond (at least) to those in use on Commons + at least one for not-suitable-for-Commons</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:License_tags" class="extiw" title="c:Category:License tags">c:Category:License_tags</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Should or are bots or gadgets doing any task with this? (Checking other properties for consistency, collecting data, etc.)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This has come up in several discussions to do with data donations by GLAMs and the sum of all paintings project. It should be covered in <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:Structured data">c:Commons:Structured_data</a> but that is not being actively developed yet. <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jane023-2016-01-22T17:39:00.000Z-Copyright_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 22 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Question Wouldn't a system where you could indicate who owns the copyright at the same time better? Also, probably it should be used with qualifiers <a href="/wiki/Property:P580" title="Property:P580">start time (P580)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a>, with the current one having preferred rank. – <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2016-01-23T12:31:00.000Z-Copyright_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 23 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Probably. I think several other qualifiers are in order as well, such as inferred death date of the creator related to the country of creation and associated copyright terms, etc. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jane023-2016-01-23T14:45:00.000Z-Máté-2016-01-23T12:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 23 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose as written. The proposal conflates "copyright status" with "licence". <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-24T21:31:00.000Z-Máté-2016-01-23T12:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Possibly this should be a request for two properties to be used in combination: "License" and "issued by", with agreements for public domain and photo uploads (or else we will need to import commonist uploaders as creators, which is a bit much I think). --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jane023-2016-01-25T09:08:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-24T21:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023"><bdi>Jane023</bdi></a>: I would have thought two properties; the first being "copyright status", qualified by "copyright owner" (and possibly also by "jurisdiction") and the second (which might also be a qualifier) "licence". <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-25T21:10:00.000Z-Jane023-2016-01-25T09:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 25 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Hmm interesting. Yes I think you are right. So should this be a double set of double properties? Or one property with certain required qualifiers? I see what you mean in that 2 properties may not be enough. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jane023-2016-01-28T16:20:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-25T21:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 28 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> Taking a stab at some common copyright situations: <ol><li>PD-Art: for artworks in and out of copyright (items to be accepted could be linked to specific templates on Commons?)</li> <li>PD-old: for works out of copyright which accepts a date such as artist death date or creation date</li> <li>PD-Wikimedian: Wikimedia user who released his/her rights</li> <li>PD-author: for works released into the public domain by non-Wikimedia users</li> <li>PD-reason: takes reason items for a lack of copyright, such as PD-USGov for work by the U.S. federal government</li></ol> Let me know what you think. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jane023-2016-01-28T17:15:00.000Z-Copyright_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 28 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>I'm confused, I fell the idea is very good but the proposal need some work to be good. At least the example is very bad (<a href="/wiki/Q16937070" title="Q16937070">Les toits de Collioure (Q16937070)</a> is a french work by a french painter and <a href="/wiki/Q15687022" class="mw-redirect" title="Q15687022">copyright (Q15687022)</a> is a concept that doesn't exist in France, where the <a href="/wiki/Q38746" title="Q38746">author's rights (Q38746)</a> is quite different), we should find a better example (and idealy more than just one). Cdlt, <a href="/wiki/User:VIGNERON" title="User:VIGNERON">VIGNERON</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:VIGNERON" title="User talk:VIGNERON">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-VIGNERON-2016-01-24T21:53:00.000Z-Jane023-2016-01-28T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Yes I picked this example because it is a classic example of messiness (legally shown on Hermitage website, "fair use image" available in English Wikipedia article, not on Commons). It is specifically cases like this that we need to model correctly in order to start gaining editors who understand our "copyright gap" in art coverage. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jane023-2016-01-25T09:08:00.000Z-VIGNERON-2016-01-24T21:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> Modeling copyright is no easy task. In the current status I <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose this property proposal. We have two things here: <ol><li>How to model the difficult world of copyright?</li> <li>Do we want to model copyright here?</li></ol> For the first part we had quite extensive discussions on the project kick off of <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data" class="extiw" title="c:Commons:Structured data">c:Commons:Structured data</a>. One property won't do it. As for the second part. I'm not sure. In this example case it looks like derived information that can't be sourced from a reliable source. I'd rather provide an automated way for people to figure out the copyright status of a work of art. <a href="/wiki/User:Multichill" title="User:Multichill">Multichill</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Multichill" title="User talk:Multichill">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Multichill-2016-02-03T21:02:00.000Z-Copyright_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</a> We have Property 275 for "License", which is a good way to indicate if something has been proactively given a Creative Commons license for example. However, that is not an appropriate way to express Public Domain because PD is not a license, it is the expiration or absence of a license. There are many diverse ways for a creative work to be PD (as our many and various templates on Commons demonstrate!), but these are nuances of why something is PD - which should be handled by Qualifiers here in Wikidata. Wikidata is also capable of modelling contested copyright statuses in different jurisdictions or competing claims. For example, with this property, it is possible to say that something to be "Public domain" (with a qualifier of "start date") and simultaneously has a copyright status of "in copyright" (with the qualifiers of "license" if needed, "owner" if different from "creator", "country" if it's a copyright status specific to a particular jurisdiction). Both of these statements can be given an equal rank. It is also possible to model the fact of something that will enter the public domain at a certain point in the future (by giving an "end date" qualifier), or equally we can model that someone has made a claim of copyright on an artwork that, according to Reliable Sources, is considered invalid (we can use a deprecated Rank for that statement). <a href="/wiki/User:Wittylama" title="User:Wittylama">Wittylama</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wittylama" title="User talk:Wittylama">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Wittylama-2016-02-04T14:40:00.000Z-Copyright_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>The example provided doesn't make sense, additionally the conflict with the "License" property is not addressed. Such a property can be added only if it's extremely clear what is valid as object. DPLA and Europeana tried a "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xkcd.com/927/">standardisation</a>" effort with <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://rightsstatements.org/">http://rightsstatements.org/</a> which is extremely hard and we risk adding further confusion. <a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Nemo_bis-2016-02-04T15:51:00.000Z-Wittylama-2016-02-04T14:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Can you clarify which example doesn't make sense to you, please? Regarding what I see as a limitation of the "license" property: I don't think it is sufficient to express the concept of Public Domain/out of copyright. It's not right to say "license -> public domain" because PD is objectively not a license (CC0 is not even a license, it's a "dedication"). Equally, I don't think "license -> expired" (or something similar like "not applicable"?) is an effective way of phrasing it either. By contrast, if this property was created, we could say "copyright status -> public domain" (with a qualifier for start date etc if desired). Does that explain my point? <a href="/wiki/User:Wittylama" title="User:Wittylama">Wittylama</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wittylama" title="User talk:Wittylama">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Wittylama-2016-02-04T17:04:00.000Z-Nemo_bis-2016-02-04T15:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023"><bdi>Jane023</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600" /> Not done, no concensus, possible duplicate with <a href="/wiki/Property:P275" title="Property:P275">copyright license (P275)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-27T14:05:00.000Z-Copyright_status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="german_Filmportal-ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-german_Filmportal-ID-2016-02-24T15:45:00.000Z">german Filmportal-ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2639" title="Property:P2639">Filmportal ID</a> (P2639) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2639" title="Property talk:P2639">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier of the german Filmportal.de</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Movies, Films and Audio-Visual-Works (<a href="/wiki/Q11424" title="Q11424">film (Q11424)</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>hex-decimal ID Code (Example: fa85c5fe1b0349d0b47cfd6bc21b8d97 for "Der geilste Tag")</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16736285" title="Q16736285">The Salt of the Earth (Q16736285)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q44578" title="Q44578">Titanic (Q44578)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>^[0-9a-f]{32}$</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://filmportal.de">http://filmportal.de</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.filmportal.de/film/$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Import of the data of the german filmportal.de</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> filmportal.de is the german association to collect all german produced and financial supported films. All german films have to register at filmportal by german regulations, so it's a good identification like ASIN for audio-visual works. <a href="/wiki/User:Fililipa" title="User:Fililipa">Fililipa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fililipa" title="User talk:Fililipa">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Fililipa-2016-02-24T15:45:00.000Z-german_Filmportal-ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:45, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support - It's really a usefull ID for german produced or funded films and movies. @Fililipa Do you mean the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISAN" class="extiw" title="w:ISAN">ISAN</a> or what's ASIN? <a href="/wiki/User:Landesfilmsammlung" title="User:Landesfilmsammlung">Landesfilmsammlung</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Landesfilmsammlung" title="User talk:Landesfilmsammlung">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Landesfilmsammlung-2016-02-24T17:12:00.000Z-Fililipa-2016-02-24T15:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. —<a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik">putnik</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Putnik-2016-03-03T16:39:00.000Z-Fililipa-2016-02-24T15:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Fililipa" title="User:Fililipa"><bdi>Fililipa</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Landesfilmsammlung" title="User:Landesfilmsammlung"><bdi>Landesfilmsammlung</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Putnik" title="User:Putnik"><bdi>putnik</bdi></a>: --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2016-03-22T21:17:00.000Z-Fililipa-2016-02-24T15:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="is_recto_of" data-mw-thread-id="h-is_recto_of-2016-02-29T15:21:00.000Z">is recto of</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2681" title="Property:P2681">is recto of</a> (P2681) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2681" title="Property talk:P2681">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>A property to indicate the two-dimensional artwork (usually drawing or painting) that is on the back (verso) side of this artwork</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>two-dimensional (flat) <a href="/wiki/Q838948" title="Q838948">work of art (Q838948)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q22970535" class="mw-redirect" title="Q22970535">Portrait of Philippe de Croy (Q22970535)</a> → <a href="/wiki/Q21614521" title="Q21614521">Croy family shield (Q21614521)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>usually museums' online collections</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> I've encountered several artworks already for which we'd need this property. This is different from <a href="/wiki/Property:P1639" title="Property:P1639">pendant of (P1639)</a>, which refers to two artworks on different carriers that were created to complement each other. I also propose the reverse property. Both must be named clearly (or get several crystal clear aliases) so that they don't get mixed up with their reverse. <a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster">Spinster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinster" title="User talk:Spinster">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Spinster-2016-02-29T15:21:00.000Z-is_recto_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:21, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd>Are verso and recto that important? Are "A" and "B" sides of singles (vinyl) also considered valid uses for this property? Alternatively one could think of a single and slightly more general property "shares carrier with" which would allow for more than one work on each "side", e.g. when several (unrelated) small sketches are located on the page verso. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gymel" title="User:Gymel">Gymel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gymel" title="User talk:Gymel">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Gymel-2016-02-29T16:27:00.000Z-is_recto_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>I have encountered it very commonly in art collections, <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tabernacle.html?wdq=&pagepile=2454&props=P31%2CP170%2CP571%2CP217%2CP361%2CP527&items=&show=1">here's an example from one museum</a>. Since it's indicated even in the inventory number, I think it's considered to have some art historical and practical importance so yes, I want to stick with the narrow definition. <a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster">Spinster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Spinster" title="User talk:Spinster">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Spinster-2016-02-29T16:45:00.000Z-Gymel-2016-02-29T16:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P1432&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P1432 (page does not exist)">P1432 (P1432)</a> will do this for <a href="/wiki/Q178588" title="Q178588">vinyl record (Q178588)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Thierry_Caro" title="User:Thierry Caro">Thierry Caro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thierry_Caro" title="User talk:Thierry Caro">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thierry_Caro-2016-03-26T21:40:00.000Z-Spinster-2016-02-29T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Support I have also seen this for old books without pagination, and also for old drawings and prints. Support both, voting here. <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023">Jane023</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jane023" title="User talk:Jane023">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jane023-2016-02-29T19:02:00.000Z-Gymel-2016-02-29T16:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support - I've been working on the collection of Bosch paintings, quite a few of those are two-sided and would benefit by this property. <a href="/wiki/User:Husky" title="User:Husky">Husky</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Husky" title="User talk:Husky">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Husky-2016-03-12T20:42:00.000Z-Gymel-2016-02-29T16:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:42, 12 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-22T21:10:00.000Z-Gymel-2016-02-29T16:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Spinster" title="User:Spinster"><bdi>Spinster</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Jane023" title="User:Jane023"><bdi>Jane023</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Husky" title="User:Husky"><bdi>Husky</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-28T23:48:00.000Z-is_recto_of" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 28 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Kijkwijzer_rating" data-mw-thread-id="h-Kijkwijzer_rating-2016-03-11T21:12:00.000Z">Kijkwijzer rating</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2684" title="Property:P2684">Kijkwijzer rating</a> (P2684) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2684" title="Property talk:P2684">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Dutch media content rating system</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q23010019" class="mw-redirect" title="Q23010019">Kijkwijzer</a> (Q23010019)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q11424" title="Q11424">film (Q11424)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q15416" title="Q15416">television program (Q15416)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>AL, 6, 9, 12, 16</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q16467423" title="Q16467423">Accused (Q16467423)</a> → 12</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.kijkwijzer.nl/">http://www.kijkwijzer.nl/</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> See <a href="/wiki/Property:P1657" title="Property:P1657">MPA film rating (P1657)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P1981" title="Property:P1981">FSK film rating (P1981)</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Property:P2363" title="Property:P2363">NMHH film rating (P2363)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté">Máté</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User talk:Máté">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Máté-2016-03-11T21:12:00.000Z-Kijkwijzer_rating" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:12, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-22T20:59:00.000Z-Máté-2016-03-11T21:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:M%C3%A1t%C3%A9" title="User:Máté"><bdi>Máté</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done together with class <a href="/wiki/Q23649978" title="Q23649978">Kijkwijzer rating category (Q23649978)</a> and instances like <a href="/wiki/Q23649983" title="Q23649983">12 (Q23649983)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-29T00:28:00.000Z-Kijkwijzer_rating" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:28, 29 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Proportion_of_alcohol" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proportion_of_alcohol-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z">Proportion of alcohol</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2665" title="Property:P2665">alcohol by volume</a> (P2665) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2665" title="Property talk:P2665">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>partie d'une boisson qui consiste en alcool, exprimée en degré d'alcool ou pourcentage (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#quantity" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Quantity</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"degré d'alcool" de "Infobox Boisson"</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>principalement les boissons alcoolisées</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>unités à déterminer</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q170210" title="Q170210">absinthe (Q170210)</a> → 40 % à 90 %</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>infobox</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>import de frwiki</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> <ul><li>Permet l'import des données de Wikipédia. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z-Proportion_of_alcohol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>You don't need to support your own proposals. But please provdie an English label and description. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-11-23T19:21:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose as incomplete, and because the example value given ("40 % à 90 %") is not a number. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-11-24T14:26:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support but we need a method to indicate min and max value --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2015-11-30T12:44:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>A qualifier should do. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2015-11-30T18:19:00.000Z-Pasleim-2015-11-30T12:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment This is an example of a concentration, and as previously discussed "%" is meaningless if we don't know what has been measured (For alcohol mostly volumen, but we need to be explicit). We have items for concentrations: e.g. <a href="/wiki/Q21075844" title="Q21075844">millilitre per litre (Q21075844)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984">Tobias1984</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tobias1984" title="User talk:Tobias1984">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Tobias1984-2016-01-10T21:25:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984"><bdi>Tobias1984</bdi></a>: we will make sure to use appropriate units. Do you agree with the proposal? --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-01-11T10:09:00.000Z-Tobias1984-2016-01-10T21:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Could use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1107" title="Property:P1107">proportion (P1107)</a> with <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part (P518)</a>=<a href="/wiki/Q156" title="Q156">alcohols (Q156)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1013" title="Property:P1013">criterion used (P1013)</a>=<a href="/wiki/Q21603672" class="mw-redirect" title="Q21603672">volume percent (Q21603672)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Swpb-2016-01-13T17:12:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-11-23T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 13 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>That could work. --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-01-18T18:40:00.000Z-Swpb-2016-01-13T17:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Tobias1984" title="User:Tobias1984"><bdi>Tobias1984</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done Ranges can be supplied as part of the quantity datatype (although there is currently a bug: see <a class="external autonumber" href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131002">[1]</a>), the property makes it clear that we are talking about volume percentage. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T19:02:00.000Z-Proportion_of_alcohol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:02, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>The proposal was for either version. Infoboxes use various measures. Can you relabel it as proposed? Somehow the sample link to frwiki was deleted by (I let you guess who). --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2016-03-26T19:21:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-03-26T19:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Datasets" data-mw-thread-id="h-Datasets-2015-01-07T14:53:00.000Z">Datasets</h3></div> In the age of Open Data and Linked Data, we should be able to describe structured data sources, such as <a href="/wiki/Q1172284" title="Q1172284">data set (Q1172284)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q179797" title="Q179797">thesaurus (Q179797)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q8513" title="Q8513">database (Q8513)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q36524" title="Q36524">authority file (Q36524)</a> (eg <a href="/wiki/Q36578" title="Q36578">Integrated Authority File (Q36578)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q54919" title="Q54919">Virtual International Authority File (Q54919)</a>, etc). The leading ontologies for describing datasets are <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/void/">VOID</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/">DCAT</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/">ADMS</a> by the W3C. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/#Descriptive_Information">Getty LOD documentation</a> shows summary diagrams & links, and uses all of them to describe the Getty dataset. Our intent is not to replicate all this information, but to provide only some critical entities and properties to allow finding datasets and access points. This is a somewhat complex topic, so before proposing properties, we should look at the above models, look at some examples, and synthesize a simpler version. <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Examples" data-mw-thread-id="h-Examples-Datasets">Examples</h4></div> Let's first look at some examples <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="AAT" data-mw-thread-id="h-AAT-Examples">AAT</h5></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q611299" title="Q611299">Art & Architecture Thesaurus (Q611299)</a> <ul><li>Official website: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/aat/">http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/aat/</a></li> <li>Dataset distribution: <a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a></li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a> <ul><li>Official website: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/">http://vocab.getty.edu/</a></li> <li>Documentation: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/">http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/</a></li> <li>Machine-readable description: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/.well-known/void">http://vocab.getty.edu/.well-known/void</a> (format=VOID)</li> <li>Datahub page: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://datahub.io/dataset/getty-aat">http://datahub.io/dataset/getty-aat</a></li> <li>Access URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql">http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql</a> (protocol=SPARQL)</li> <li>Access URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/">http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/</a></li> <li>Access URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/full.zip">http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/full.zip</a> (format=NTriples, compression format=zip)</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="GND" data-mw-thread-id="h-GND-Examples">GND</h5></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q36578" title="Q36578">Integrated Authority File (Q36578)</a> <ul><li>Official website: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dnb.de/EN/gnd">http://www.dnb.de/EN/gnd</a></li> <li>Dataset distributions: GND LOD dataset, DNB OAI datasets, DNB SRU datasets</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>GND LOD dataset <ul><li>Official website: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dnb.de/EN/lds">http://www.dnb.de/EN/lds</a></li> <li>Datahub page: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://datahub.io/dataset/dnb-gemeinsame-normdatei">http://datahub.io/dataset/dnb-gemeinsame-normdatei</a></li> <li>Access URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://datendienst.dnb.de/cgi-bin/mabit.pl?userID=opendata&pass=opendata&cmd=login">http://datendienst.dnb.de/cgi-bin/mabit.pl?userID=opendata&pass=opendata&cmd=login</a></li> <li>Access URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://datendienst.dnb.de/cgi-bin/mabit.pl?cmd=fetch&userID=opendata&pass=opendata&mabheft=GND.ttl.gz">http://datendienst.dnb.de/cgi-bin/mabit.pl?cmd=fetch&userID=opendata&pass=opendata&mabheft=GND.ttl.gz</a> (format=Turtle, compression format=gz)</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>DNB OAI datasets <ul><li>Documentation: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dnb.de/EN/oai">http://www.dnb.de/EN/oai</a></li> <li>Access URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://services.dnb.de/oai/repository">http://services.dnb.de/oai/repository</a> (protocol=OAI)</li> <li>Access URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://services.dnb.de/oai/repository?verb=GetRecords&set=authorities&metadataPrefix=RDFxml">http://services.dnb.de/oai/repository?verb=GetRecords&set=authorities&metadataPrefix=RDFxml</a> (protocol=OAI, format=RDF/XML, requires authentication)</li> <li>Machine-readable description: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://services.dnb.de/oai/repository?verb=ListMetadataFormats">http://services.dnb.de/oai/repository?verb=ListMetadataFormats</a> (format=OAI-PMH)</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>DNB SRU datasets <ul><li>Documentation: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dnb.de/EN/sru">http://www.dnb.de/EN/sru</a></li> <li>Machine-readable description: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://services.dnb.de/sru/authorities?operation=explain&version=1.1">http://services.dnb.de/sru/authorities?operation=explain&version=1.1</a> (format=explain.z3950)</li> <li>Access URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://services.dnb.de/sru/authorities">http://services.dnb.de/sru/authorities</a> (protocol=SRU; format=MARC21-xml,xMetaDiss,ONIX-xml,RDFxml...)</li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Data_Model" data-mw-thread-id="h-Data_Model-Datasets-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z">Data Model</h4></div> Based on the examples, we can extract the following items (Q), properties (P), qualifiers (q): <ul><li><a structured database> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P856" title="Property:P856">official website (P856)</a></li> <li>dataset distribution (P)</li></ul></li> <li>Dataset Distribution (Q): particular version/release/format of a structured Data Set (database) that is publically available. May be created and published by other than the database owner (that's quite common) <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P856" title="Property:P856">official website (P856)</a>: human-readable documentation</li> <li>URL (P) of technical documentation (Q)</li> <li>URL (P) of Datahub (Q): structured description at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://datahub.io">http://datahub.io</a>, including access URLs, examples, etc</li> <li>URL (P) of VOID machine-readable description (Q) <ul><li>format (q): eg VOID, OAI-PMH, explain.z3950</li></ul></li> <li>URL (P) for access/download: URL that allows search/access/download of a dataset distribution <ul><li>protocol (q): eg SPARQL, SRU, OAI-PMH. Direct file access by HTTP is default and need not be mentioned</li> <li>file format (q): file format and/or metadata schema, eg RDF/XML, Turtle, NTriples, JSONLD, MARC21plus-xml, MARC21-xml, xMetaDiss, oai_dc, ONIX-xml, sync-repo-xml</li> <li>file compression format (q): eg zip, gz</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="dataset" data-mw-thread-id="h-dataset-Data_Model-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z">dataset</h5></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Particular version/release of a structured <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Set" class="extiw" title="w:Data Set">Dataset</a>, that is publicly available</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1172284" title="Q1172284">data set (Q1172284)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q611299" title="Q611299">Art & Architecture Thesaurus (Q611299)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a> (as described above)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q36578" title="Q36578">Integrated Authority File (Q36578)</a> => GND LOD dataset, DNB OAI datasets, DNB SRU datasets (as described above)</li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>n/a</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>dcat:Distribution, adms:AssetDistribution</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>in the future yes..</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z-dataset" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="distribution_(dataset)" data-mw-thread-id="h-distribution_(dataset)-Data_Model-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z">distribution (dataset)</h5></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2702" title="Property:P2702">dataset distribution</a> (P2702) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2702" title="Property talk:P2702">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Particular manner of distribution of a Data Set (database or file) that is publicly available</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1172284" title="Q1172284">data set (Q1172284)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q18814183" title="Q18814183">dataset distribution (Q18814183)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q611299" title="Q611299">Art & Architecture Thesaurus (Q611299)</a> => <a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a> (as described above)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q36578" title="Q36578">Integrated Authority File (Q36578)</a> => GND LOD dataset, DNB OAI datasets, DNB SRU datasets (as described above)</li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>n/a</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>dcat:Distribution, adms:AssetDistribution</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z-distribution_(dataset)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="file_format" data-mw-thread-id="h-file_format-Data_Model-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z">file format</h5></div> (aliases: format, file type, compression format) <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2701" title="Property:P2701">file format</a> (P2701) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2701" title="Property talk:P2701">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>File format, compression type, or ontology used in a file. May use several (eg <a href="/wiki/Q136218" title="Q136218">ZIP (Q136218)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Q18814471" class="mw-redirect" title="Q18814471">N-Triples (Q18814471)</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q235557" title="Q235557">file format</a> (Q235557)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Use as qualifier of a URL or file name (often used with <a href="/wiki/Q1172284" title="Q1172284">data set (Q1172284)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q18814183" title="Q18814183">dataset distribution (Q18814183)</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Instances of <a href="/wiki/Q235557" title="Q235557">file format (Q235557)</a>, such as <ul><li>compression formats (eg <a href="/wiki/Q136218" title="Q136218">ZIP (Q136218)</a>),</li> <li>encoding formats (eg <a href="/wiki/Q18814471" class="mw-redirect" title="Q18814471">N-Triples (Q18814471)</a>),</li> <li>ontologies (eg <a href="/wiki/Q1389366" title="Q1389366">FOAF (Q1389366)</a>).</li></ul> Target will often have <a href="/wiki/Property:P1163" title="Property:P1163">media type (P1163)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1195" title="Property:P1195">file extension (P1195)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a> => URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q7126717" title="Q7126717">download (Q7126717)</a>, file format <a href="/wiki/Q136218" title="Q136218">ZIP (Q136218)</a>, file format <a href="/wiki/Q18814471" class="mw-redirect" title="Q18814471">N-Triples (Q18814471)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/full.zip">http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/full.zip</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>n/a</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z-file_format" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Question @<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: ZIP is not really a primary file format, "Zipped TTL" may be. We need a more expressive way to hadle fie formats. <a href="/wiki/Q1667978" title="Q1667978">media type (Q1667978)</a>  <a href="https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1667978&lang=en" title="View with Reasonator"><img alt="View with Reasonator" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/12px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="12" height="12" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/18px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg/24px-Wikidata-Reasonator_small_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="500" /></a> <a href="https://sqid.toolforge.org/#/view?id=Q1667978&lang=en" title="View with SQID"><img alt="View with SQID" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/25px-SQID_logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="7" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/38px-SQID_logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/SQID_logo.svg/50px-SQID_logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="179" data-file-height="48" /></a> can identify some formats. As for ontology. An ontology can be express in numerous file formats ... Would we need a more specific "ontology" property ? author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-11-12T17:10:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 12 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: To handle a file or URL, an application needs to know all applied formats, not just the "primary" (content) or "secondary" (compression). Combining them into one (eg "zipped turtle") is not a good idea since we'll cause a combinatorial explosion. We could split into two props if you prefer? (eg HTTP has Content-Type vs Content-Encoding) I didn't want to complicate it too much, but now that I think about it, I'm in favor of splitting.</dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>As for Ontology, I completely agree to split it out. It's the same as void:vocabulary. (I just didn't think the WD community would be so interested in RDF datasets :-). Should I make a proposal for it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-11-16T21:07:00.000Z-TomT0m-2015-11-12T17:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>In general we will have an item for the dataset. We need properties to link to the various datafiles for that dataset. The question then is whether we have properties for each type of file with qualifiers for the file format and compression format (my preferred solution) or if we have separate properties for each datafile/file format/file compression format (seems clumsy). <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-11-22T03:59:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-11-16T21:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="data_access_protocol" data-mw-thread-id="h-data_access_protocol-Data_Model-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z">data access protocol</h5></div> (aliases: communication protocol) <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2700" title="Property:P2700">protocol</a> (P2700) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2700" title="Property talk:P2700">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>communication protocol to use to access a dataset or service</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q132364" title="Q132364">communication protocol</a> (Q132364)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Use as qualifier of a URL (often used with <a href="/wiki/Q1172284" title="Q1172284">data set (Q1172284)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q18814183" title="Q18814183">dataset distribution (Q18814183)</a>)</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>Instances of <a href="/wiki/Q132364" title="Q132364">communication protocol (Q132364)</a>, such as <a href="/wiki/Q54871" title="Q54871">SPARQL (Q54871)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Q2430433" title="Q2430433">Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting (Q2430433)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a> => URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q165194" title="Q165194">application programming interface (Q165194)</a>, protocol <a href="/wiki/Q54871" title="Q54871">SPARQL (Q54871)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql">http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql</a></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>n/a</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z-data_access_protocol" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. author  <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m">TomT0m</a> / talk <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TomT0m" title="User talk:TomT0m">page</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-TomT0m-2015-11-12T17:03:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="URL" data-mw-thread-id="h-URL-Data_Model-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z">URL</h5></div> (aliases: webpage, page) <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2699" title="Property:P2699">URL</a> (P2699) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2699" title="Property talk:P2699">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>URL of something, other than <a href="/wiki/Property:P856" title="Property:P856">official website (P856)</a>, <a href="/wiki/Property:P854" title="Property:P854">reference URL (P854)</a>, or <a href="/wiki/Property:P1065" title="Property:P1065">archive URL (P1065)</a>. Must qualify with <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#url" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">URL</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>none</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>any</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>URL</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P856" title="Property:P856">official website (P856)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/">http://vocab.getty.edu/</a></li> <li>URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q1413406" title="Q1413406">technical documentation (Q1413406)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/">http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/</a></li> <li>URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q7939443" title="Q7939443">VoiD (Q7939443)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/.well-known/void">http://vocab.getty.edu/.well-known/void</a></li> <li>URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q165194" title="Q165194">application programming interface (Q165194)</a>, protocol <a href="/wiki/Q54871" title="Q54871">SPARQL (Q54871)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql">http://vocab.getty.edu/sparql</a></li> <li>URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q7126717" title="Q7126717">download (Q7126717)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/">http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/</a></li> <li>URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q7126717" title="Q7126717">download (Q7126717)</a>, file format <a href="/wiki/Q136218" title="Q136218">ZIP (Q136218)</a>, file format <a href="/wiki/Q18814471" class="mw-redirect" title="Q18814471">N-Triples (Q18814471)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/full.zip">http://vocab.getty.edu/dataset/aat/full.zip</a></li></ul></li> <li>GND LOD dataset => <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P856" title="Property:P856">official website (P856)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.dnb.de/EN/lds">http://www.dnb.de/EN/lds</a></li> <li>URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q7126717" title="Q7126717">download (Q7126717)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://datendienst.dnb.de/cgi-bin/mabit.pl?userID=opendata&pass=opendata&cmd=login">http://datendienst.dnb.de/cgi-bin/mabit.pl?userID=opendata&pass=opendata&cmd=login</a></li> <li>URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q7126717" title="Q7126717">download (Q7126717)</a>, file format Turtle, file format <a href="/wiki/Q10287816" title="Q10287816">GZIP (Q10287816)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://datendienst.dnb.de/cgi-bin/mabit.pl?cmd=fetch&userID=opendata&pass=opendata&mabheft=GND.ttl.gz">http://datendienst.dnb.de/cgi-bin/mabit.pl?cmd=fetch&userID=opendata&pass=opendata&mabheft=GND.ttl.gz</a></li> <li>URL <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> <a href="/wiki/Q7126717" title="Q7126717">download (Q7126717)</a>, file format <a href="/wiki/Q48940" title="Q48940">RDF/XML (Q48940)</a>, protocol <a href="/wiki/Q2430433" title="Q2430433">Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting (Q2430433)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://services.dnb.de/oai/repository?verb=GetRecords&set=authorities&metadataPrefix=RDFxml">http://services.dnb.de/oai/repository?verb=GetRecords&set=authorities&metadataPrefix=RDFxml</a></li></ul></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Format and edit filter validation</th><td>n/a</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>validate that URL resolves</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:08:00.000Z-URL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Discussion_of_Dataset_properties" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion_of_Dataset_properties-Datasets-2015-01-07T14:53:00.000Z">Discussion of Dataset properties</h4></div> PLEASE first comment on the need to describe Datasets, and then on the specific implementation proposed above (of course, we could have a different implementation) <dl><dd>What do you think of this? --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-07T14:53:00.000Z-Discussion_of_Dataset_properties" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 7 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Emw" title="User:Emw"><bdi>Emw</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Snipre" title="User:Snipre"><bdi>Snipre</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Kolja21" title="User:Kolja21"><bdi>Kolja21</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Fralambert" title="User:Fralambert"><bdi>Fralambert</bdi></a>: What do you think of this? --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-19T19:35:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-07T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 19 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/15px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/23px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg/30px-OOjs_UI_icon_error.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="20" data-file-height="20" /> <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Informatics/Participants" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Informatics/Participants">WikiProject Informatics</a> has more than 50 participants and <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T200350" class="extiw" title="phab:T200350">couldn't be pinged</a>. Please post on <a href="/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Informatics" title="Wikidata talk:WikiProject Informatics">the WikiProject's talk page</a> instead. <dl><dd>I welcome thoughts on how to describe datasets, and the above is a good basis for having a discussion around that – thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir</a>. The proposed implementation would seem to work for the examples given, but I am missing thoughts on licensing and versioning of datasets, as well as on the scope of datasets to be annotated this way. For instance, if there is an item about a scholarly publication and that publication has some associated data in a database, it would make sense to annotate the item about the paper with information about the dataset. This would not necessarily require an item about the dataset itself, though that might be an option if <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:N">WD:N</a> does not stand in the way. --<a href="/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User:Daniel Mietchen">Daniel Mietchen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Daniel_Mietchen" title="User talk:Daniel Mietchen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-01-20T00:48:00.000Z-Discussion_of_Dataset_properties" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:48, 20 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Sure, that's just a start. But I think we don't want to repeat all the detailed info at Datahub and VOID files. <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-20T01:16:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-01-20T00:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:16, 20 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Suggesting if there is a CKAN/DataHub entry, that should be linked from the WP page? Other than that, I think VoID actually does do a good job at the provenance. Other than that, what is the envisioned difference between a data set and a data base? The latter has a clear visibility, with a website, etc. What makes a data unique? <a href="/wiki/User:Egon_Willighagen" title="User:Egon Willighagen">Egon Willighagen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Egon_Willighagen" title="User talk:Egon Willighagen">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Egon_Willighagen-2015-01-20T07:49:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-01-20T00:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 20 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Egon_Willighagen" title="User:Egon Willighagen">Egon</a>, Datahub is just one of the important URLs: above I give other examples. VOID does a good job, but is only applicable to RDF datasets, and less than 30% have a VOID file.</dd> <dd>"Dataset" and "Database" are just about the same, and there are many other similar items (eg Authority list). I've only proposed a property "dataset distribution" to point to a particular distribution of a database, since often there are many: see GND examples above.</dd> <dd>"What make a data unique": I don't know and I don't care. Clarify the question. --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-21T18:56:00.000Z-Egon_Willighagen-2015-01-20T07:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Hi I started to work on this subject. Can I reuse or complete or duplicate the box "Property documentation" ? I write these box in the comments ? or in talk page ? May be create a project Wiki4R and create a subpage for this part ? --<a href="/wiki/User:Karima_Rafes" title="User:Karima Rafes">Karima Rafes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karima_Rafes" title="User talk:Karima Rafes">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Karima_Rafes-2015-01-20T13:57:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-01-20T00:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:57, 20 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/User:Karima_Rafes" title="User:Karima Rafes">Karima</a>, go ahead and edit above, it's a wiki. I added "protocol". If you want to move the section "Datasets" to a more permanent location, go ahead: but after the voting for the properties (when it will be moved to a subsection "Archive". --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-21T18:56:00.000Z-Karima_Rafes-2015-01-20T13:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Hello, I splited the dataset distribution in dataset and distribution like in the ontology dcat. I proposed some properties in the aim to make a map like on the website <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://io.datascience-paris-saclay.fr/">https://io.datascience-paris-saclay.fr/</a> and for the future web agents. I don't know exactly if the properties exist or not in Wikidata. --<a href="/wiki/User:Karima_Rafes" title="User:Karima Rafes">Karima Rafes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karima_Rafes" title="User talk:Karima Rafes">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Karima_Rafes-2015-01-22T14:26:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-21T18:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Karima_Rafes" title="User:Karima Rafes"><bdi>Karima Rafes</bdi></a>: 1. Don't see a need for "dataset" vs "distribution" property, and you don't seem to propose different examples. We don't need to copy dcat or any other ontology. 2. The markup following "Here proposition for the infobox" is broken, please fix it!! 3. Put your contributions in separate sections (one per property) and sign them (not just this comment). 4. If you want to propose a property (eg xxx:statusAccessURL), do it using the appropriate template at the top of this page, so it can be discussed and critiqued independently. (Critique about this one: one dataset may have several access URLs, so a single "status" prop won't do. 5. "I don't know exactly if the properties exist or not" is no excuse: don't propose properties before checking whether similar properties already exist. Pick any item, go to Claims, click Add and use the autocomplete. --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-25T08:41:00.000Z-Karima_Rafes-2015-01-22T14:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 25 January 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>1. "We don't need to copy dcat or any other ontology." DCAT is an ontology for the software agents. If you don't split, you impose that there is only one way to access the data and so, only for the human. It's not logic to use DCAT only for human. 2. Sorry, I have no the time for the moment. I try to fix if wikidata want to be a hub for the software agents. Is it the moment for this debate ? (good place?) 3. 4. 5. it's not urgent. I moved my examples in my personal page for the moment <a href="/wiki/User:Karima_Rafes/Proposition_Dataset" title="User:Karima Rafes/Proposition Dataset">examples of properties for a object dataset and distribution</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Karima_Rafes" title="User:Karima Rafes">Karima Rafes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Karima_Rafes" title="User talk:Karima Rafes">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Karima_Rafes-2015-01-25T09:30:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-01-25T08:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>I think wikidata should aspire to be a hub for software agents.</dd> <dd>I think that there is a case for specialised url properties rather than using "of" as a qualifier, particularly for 'machine readable' access and particular types of info - such as 'technical info URL', 'VOID url', 'API url'.</dd> <dd>'Datahub' should perhaps be a string property since it always refers to the datahub site - like all the other database properties.</dd> <dd>A 'download url' property should be designed to be useable to download digital copies of books or songs as well as databases. This applies in particular when the content is available as a free download but the licence terms are not compatible with Commons.</dd> <dd>I support 'file format', 'compression file format', 'protocol' as qualifier properties.</dd> <dd>I'm not sure what 'dataset' and 'distribution (dataset)' are for and what they link to. Should we have a separate item for each edition of the dataset, as well as the item for the database? What if a new edition is published every day? Could we use <a href="/wiki/Property:P348" title="Property:P348">software version identifier (P348)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P548" title="Property:P548">version type (P548)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P747" title="Property:P747">has edition or translation (P747)</a> for these? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-03-22T03:49:00.000Z-Daniel_Mietchen-2015-01-20T00:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: thanks for the comments!</dd> <dd>Agree to have "specialised URLs" since these are easier to work with than "of" qualification (both for WDQ and SPARQL querying). I just wasn't bold enough to propose so many new properties.</dd> <dd>If you think from the FRBR "work-expression-manifestation-item" point of view, a Distribution is similar to Expression or Manifestation: if it's done by someone else through significant conversion work then it's Expression (similar to a translation of a book); if it's just an update or editorial work, then it's aManifestation (simlar to an edition of a book).</dd> <dd>Instead of a new prop Distribbution, we could use <a href="/wiki/Property:P348" title="Property:P348">software version identifier (P348)</a> but currently it's for "software" only and doesn't have a "derived work" aspect (typically each consecutive version is made by the same people). It seems that <a href="/wiki/Property:P747" title="Property:P747">has edition or translation (P747)</a> is a better fit (it's the same idea!), but do you think bibliophiles will allow the alias "distribution"? Or maybe keep them separate just for clarity?</dd> <dd>Agree about doing "Datahub page" as an ID rather than a URL. (they did change their base from ckan.org to datahub.io a few years back) --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-07-31T11:53:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-03-22T03:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:53, 31 July 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>So <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir</a> are you going to rewrite the proposals above, as your comments, so we can can get some of these approved? <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-02T23:47:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-07-31T11:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 2 September 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Done, see below; fixed the examples above. (Also fixed VIAF->GND in a couple examples above) <a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2015-09-04T10:44:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-02T23:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:TomT0m" title="User:TomT0m"><bdi>TomT0m</bdi></a>: Mostly <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done. I don't really understand the difference between the "dataset" and "dataset (distribution)" proposals, especially since they use exactly the same examples. <a href="/wiki/Q18814183" title="Q18814183">dataset distribution (Q18814183)</a> is completely unused. If you still need another property, please create a new proposal, with a better example. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-04-03T14:47:00.000Z-Discussion_of_Dataset_properties" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau"><bdi>Srittau</bdi></a>: thanks for being so scrupulous. Guess I started with dataset vs distribution but then decided one is enough. And looking at the worked examples it is. Cheers --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2016-04-05T04:59:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-04-03T14:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Datahub_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Datahub_page-2015-09-05T02:05:00.000Z">Datahub page</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2666" title="Property:P2666">Datahub page</a> (P2666) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2666" title="Property talk:P2666">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Datahub page of a dataset</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q18814247" title="Q18814247">Datahub</a> (Q18814247)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q1172284" title="Q1172284">data set (Q1172284)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Q18814183" title="Q18814183">dataset distribution (Q18814183)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a> => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://datahub.io/dataset/getty-aat">getty-aat</a></li> <li>GND LOD dataset => <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://datahub.io/dataset/dnb-gemeinsame-normdatei">dnb-gemeinsame-normdatei</a></li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://datahub.io/dataset/$1</td></tr><tr><th>Proposed by</th><td><a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>)</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> why ID rather than URL: they did change their base from ckan.org to datahub.io a few years back <dl><dt>discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:05:00.000Z-Datahub_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 5 September 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment @<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>: Are there items for the examples given? <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2015-11-23T19:39:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-05T02:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: Added <a href="/wiki/Q23017666" title="Q23017666">Art & Architecture Thesaurus LOD Dataset (Q23017666)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev">Vladimir Alexiev</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User talk:Vladimir Alexiev">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Vladimir_Alexiev-2016-03-09T15:36:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2015-11-23T19:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>Thank you. Should be datatype;external-id. Otherwise, <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-26T19:33:00.000Z-Vladimir_Alexiev-2016-03-09T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Vladimir_Alexiev" title="User:Vladimir Alexiev"><bdi>Vladimir Alexiev</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-26T19:52:00.000Z-Datahub_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Carnegie_Classification_of_Institutions_of_Higher_Education" data-mw-thread-id="h-Carnegie_Classification_of_Institutions_of_Higher_Education-2015-09-08T18:05:00.000Z">Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2643" title="Property:P2643">Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education</a> (P2643) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2643" title="Property talk:P2643">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>classification of colleges and universities in the United States</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>colleges and universities in the United States classified by the Center for Postsecondary Research at Indiana University</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Q7566983" title="Q7566983">South Dakota School of Mines and Technology (Q7566983)</a> → entity corresponding to 'Spec/Engg'</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Q13371" title="Q13371">Harvard University (Q13371)</a> → entities corresponding to 'A&S-F/HGC', 'CompDoc/MedVet', 'MGP', 'FT4/MS/LTI', 'L4/HR', 'RU/VH'</li></ul></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu">http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>All entities with <a href="/wiki/Property:P1771" title="Property:P1771">Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System ID (P1771)</a> can have Carnegie Classifications automatically added via script. The National Center for Education Statistics freely offers this database.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The <a href="/wiki/Q4223026" title="Q4223026">Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education (Q4223026)</a> encodes the type of educational institution based on a number of constituent datapoints (such as percent of students studying a certain major, like engineering). By adopting this widely-used classifier, Wikidata can similarly store the type of institution without having to store all of its constituent data. This field is higher education's equivalent of "genre" for movies. An alternative to a strings value could be entities corresponding to the limited number of classification classes. You can query the Carnegie Classification site by IPEDS identifier: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/lookup_listings/view_institution.php?unit_id=$1">http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/lookup_listings/view_institution.php?unit_id=$1</a>. E.g., Harvard is <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/lookup_listings/view_institution.php?unit_id=166027">http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/lookup_listings/view_institution.php?unit_id=166027</a>. Unfortunately I don't see a way to query that site for classification descriptions since <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/descriptions/">http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/descriptions/</a> is organized by some arbitrary internal identification integer, not the actual classification name string. <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Runner1928" title="User talk:Runner1928">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Runner1928-2015-09-08T18:05:00.000Z-Carnegie_Classification_of_Institutions_of_Higher_Education" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 8 September 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support. If we go with an item datatype then we can make statements about each class of institution. Do we want to do that? String seems wrong when these are not identifiers for each institution so I think item would be better. <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">Joe Filceolaire</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Filceolaire" title="User talk:Filceolaire">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z-Carnegie_Classification_of_Institutions_of_Higher_Education" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>Agree. And then we can model relationships between classifications too. Let's make the values Wikidata entities, not strings. <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Runner1928" title="User talk:Runner1928">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Runner1928-2015-09-14T14:17:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support per <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire">User:Filceolaire</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Antrocent" title="User:Antrocent">Antrocent</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Antrocent" title="User talk:Antrocent">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Antrocent-2015-10-02T21:35:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Symbol_oppose_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_oppose_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Oppose use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1771" title="Property:P1771">Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System ID (P1771)</a> to look it up there instead --- <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jura1" title="User talk:Jura1">Jura</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Jura1-2015-10-04T22:27:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 4 October 2015 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Question @<a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928"><bdi>Runner1928</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Filceolaire" title="User:Filceolaire"><bdi>Filceolaire</bdi></a>: Any comment on whether Jura's suggestion will work for this? <a href="/wiki/User:Joshbaumgartner" title="User:Joshbaumgartner">Josh Baumgartner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Joshbaumgartner" title="User talk:Joshbaumgartner">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Joshbaumgartner-2015-10-28T16:56:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-10-04T22:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 28 October 2015 (UTC)</a></dd> <dd><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Question @<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>: Jura, do you mean that we don't create a new property because we can simply use another formatter URL somewhere else? Or that this type of information is out of scope of Wikidata? Or something else? I understand your comment that we *can* use <a href="/wiki/Property:P1771" title="Property:P1771">Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System ID (P1771)</a> to look up the information, but does that mean that Carnegie Classifications just won't be in Wikidata at all? <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Runner1928" title="User talk:Runner1928">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Runner1928-2015-10-28T17:27:00.000Z-Jura1-2015-10-04T22:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:27, 28 October 2015 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Strong support I don't understand @<a href="/wiki/User:Jura1" title="User:Jura1"><bdi>Jura1</bdi></a>:'s suggestion - this is not an identifier for an educational/research institution, it is a classification of the TYPE of the institution. Sorry I didn't notice this earlier; I think it is very important for coverage of US institutions. Unfortunately I don't believe the classification is used outside the US, but within the US the Carnegie classification is a key way to group institutions of similar type. <a href="/wiki/User:ArthurPSmith" title="User:ArthurPSmith">ArthurPSmith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArthurPSmith" title="User talk:ArthurPSmith">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ArthurPSmith-2015-12-09T19:10:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)</a></li> <li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_strong_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Strong support with a clarification that there are seven separate classifications in this typology; although most attention is given to the "Basic Classification" the other classifications should be included, too. Additionally, it may be desirable to split one of the classifications - "Size & Setting" - into two data elements since, as the name implies, it's really two descriptors (inexplicably) concatenated into one. Finally, there is also a "Community Engagement" classification that is optional and maintained by a separate organization; it would be nice to also include this but it's (conceptually and logistically) different from the other typologies so I can understand if we want to discuss it separately or defer it indefinitely. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ElKevbo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ElKevbo (page does not exist)">ElKevbo</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ElKevbo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:ElKevbo (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ElKevbo-2016-01-02T19:42:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Additionally, it might be better to get the data directly from the research center in Indiana as it may take several months or longer for the information to make it into the federal goverment's database(s) especially since the current update is not only an update to the classification of many institutions but an update to the classification schema itself. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:ElKevbo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:ElKevbo (page does not exist)">ElKevbo</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ElKevbo&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:ElKevbo (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-ElKevbo-2016-01-02T21:01:00.000Z-ElKevbo-2016-01-02T19:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:01, 2 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>The final set of classifications has been released. An Excel spreadsheet with all of the institutions and classifications can be downloaded at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/downloads.php">http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/downloads.php</a>. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/76.99.153.204" title="Special:Contributions/76.99.153.204">76.99.153.204</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-76.99.153.204-2016-02-06T20:15:00.000Z-ElKevbo-2016-01-02T21:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>Update based on the URL from the previous commenter: in the new 2015 system, there are six classifications. Basic (32 options), Undergraduate Instructional Program (21 options), Graduate Instructional Program (18 options), Enrollment Profile (7 options), Undergraduate Profile (16 options), and Size & Setting (18 options). Options tend to be somewhat hierarchical so that, for instance, Basic - Doctoral Universities has Highest, High, and Medium Research Activity levels. The organization sometimes publishes reports using the top of the hierarchy (e.g., Doctoral v. Master's. v. Baccalaureate) and sometimes at the more granular level.</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>I suggest creating items for the approximately 100 classifications, plus the hierarchical modeling. E.g., Basic - Doctoral - Highest Research is <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> Basic - Doctoral <a href="/wiki/Property:P279" title="Property:P279">subclass of (P279)</a> Basic. Then this new Carnegie Classifications property can have an Item datatype as well as <a href="/wiki/Property:P580" title="Property:P580">start time (P580)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P582" title="Property:P582">end time (P582)</a>, for when the organization releases its next classification in five years. An Item datatype especially makes sense because the Carnegie organization offers no easy URL for <a href="/wiki/Property:P1630" title="Property:P1630">formatter URL (P1630)</a>. Their search URLs use some internal ID. But we can at least manually provide those URLs on the individual classification items. I prefer a single new property that points to six items per educational institution, rather than six new properties. The big advantage to multiple properties (the formatter URL) isn't available to us here. <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Runner1928" title="User talk:Runner1928">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Runner1928-2016-02-11T16:23:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:23, 11 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928"><bdi>Runner1928</bdi></a>: Please clarify your examples, with the actual items concerned. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T15:38:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:38, 21 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: Happy to do so. I'll let you know when complete. Initial work visualized at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://angryloki.github.io/wikidata-graph-builder/?property=P279&item=Q4223026&mode=both&iterations=4">the Wikidata graph builder</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Runner1928" title="User talk:Runner1928">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Runner1928-2016-03-22T17:14:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-21T15:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li>@<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim"><bdi>Pasleim</bdi></a>: I've completed the taxonomy. The graph is at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://angryloki.github.io/wikidata-graph-builder/?property=P279&item=Q4223026&mode=both&iterations=8">Wikidata graph builder</a>. Next step: I'll automatically set <a href="/wiki/Property:P2643" title="Property:P2643">Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education (P2643)</a> statements for all entities that have <a href="/wiki/Property:P1771" title="Property:P1771">Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System ID (P1771)</a> using the Carnegie Classifications spreadsheet. <a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928">Runner1928</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Runner1928" title="User talk:Runner1928">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Runner1928-2016-03-31T00:49:00.000Z-Runner1928-2016-03-22T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:49, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd><img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done @<a href="/wiki/User:Runner1928" title="User:Runner1928"><bdi>Runner1928</bdi></a>: --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2016-03-23T22:58:00.000Z-Filceolaire-2015-09-12T21:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:58, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="CRICOS_Provider_Code" data-mw-thread-id="h-CRICOS_Provider_Code-2015-11-22T04:26:00.000Z">CRICOS Provider Code</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2651" title="Property:P2651">CRICOS Provider Code</a> (P2651) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2651" title="Property talk:P2651">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Unique identifier for Australian education providers assigned by the Commonwealth Register of Institutions and Courses for Overseas Students (CRICOS)</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2385804" title="Q2385804">educational institution</a> (Q2385804)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>No known infobox parameter exists at present, however this property could be added to the existing template <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:infobox_university" class="extiw" title="en:template:infobox university">en:template:infobox university</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q2385804" title="Q2385804">educational institution (Q2385804)</a> where <a href="/wiki/Property:P17" title="Property:P17">country (P17)</a> = <a href="/wiki/Q408" title="Q408">Australia (Q408)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P131" title="Property:P131">located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)</a> refers to an administrative area of <a href="/wiki/Q408" title="Q408">Australia (Q408)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>string pattern: \d{5}[A-Z]</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q598841" title="Q598841">Monash University (Q598841)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cricos.education.gov.au/Institution/InstitutionDetails.aspx?ProviderCode=00008C">00008C</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cricos.education.gov.au/Institution/InstitutionSearch.aspx">Education Institution Search, CRICOS database</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://cricos.education.gov.au/Institution/InstitutionDetails.aspx?ProviderCode=$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Scraping of the CRICOS website would be possible, with data added to mix-and-match for further import into Wikidata</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> CRICOS stands for the Commonwealth Register of Institutions and Courses for Overseas Students and is in place to ensure international students studying in Australia and New Zealand get a good quality of education. All universities and colleges in Australia that accept international students must be CRICOS registered, to meet the requirements set out in the National Code of Practice which was set up to protect the interests of international students studying on Australian soil. This provider code allows one to look up the CRICOS database to access further data on Australian education providers such as locations/campuses, the courses on offer at each location/campus, contact details and the student capacity of each provider. Addition of this property, with a mix-and-match approach to importing data into Wikidata, would significantly enhance Wikidata's knowledge of Australian education providers. <a href="/wiki/User:Dhx1" title="User:Dhx1">Dhx1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dhx1" title="User talk:Dhx1">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Dhx1-2015-11-22T04:26:00.000Z-CRICOS_Provider_Code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Dhx1" title="User:Dhx1"><bdi>Dhx1</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done no objections --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T15:37:00.000Z-CRICOS_Provider_Code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:37, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="partnership" data-mw-thread-id="h-partnership-2016-01-01T17:39:00.000Z">partnership</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2652" title="Property:P2652">partnership with</a> (P2652) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2652" title="Property talk:P2652">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>A commercial partnership between the subject and the object.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#wikibase-item" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Item</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Organisation</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> I'm looking for a way to represent partnerships between organisations, for example <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://westlondonwaste.gov.uk/about-us/">http://westlondonwaste.gov.uk/about-us/</a> (the WLWA works with several London boroughs) or <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.gmwda.gov.uk/our-partners">http://www.gmwda.gov.uk/our-partners</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pauljmackay" title="User:Pauljmackay">Pauljmackay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pauljmackay" title="User talk:Pauljmackay">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pauljmackay-2016-01-01T17:39:00.000Z-partnership" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 1 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment Some organizations have many partnerships and other loosely defined relationships; I'd like to see a mandatory qualifier like <a href="/wiki/Property:P518" title="Property:P518">applies to part (P518)</a> or <a href="/wiki/Property:P642" title="Property:P642">of (P642)</a> to specify a project on which the entities partnered. <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb">Swpb</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Swpb" title="User talk:Swpb">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Swpb-2016-01-14T15:18:00.000Z-Pauljmackay-2016-01-01T17:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 14 January 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Paulmackay&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Paulmackay (page does not exist)"><bdi>Paulmackay</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Swpb" title="User:Swpb"><bdi>Swpb</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done, describing the use of qualifiers using <a href="/wiki/Property:P2559" title="Property:P2559">Wikidata usage instructions (P2559)</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T16:53:00.000Z-partnership" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Estyn_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-Estyn_ID-2016-01-11T14:31:00.000Z">Estyn ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2655" title="Property:P2655">Estyn ID</a> (P2655) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2655" title="Property talk:P2655">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identifier for a school in Wales, in the Welsh Assembly's Estyn database</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#string" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">String</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Schools in Wales</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>seven-digit numbers, beginning with "6"</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q7281815" title="Q7281815">Radyr Comprehensive School (Q7281815)</a> → <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.estyn.gov.wales/provider/6814070">6814070</a></td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://gov.wales/statistics-and-research/address-list-of-schools/?lang=en">http://gov.wales/statistics-and-research/address-list-of-schools/?lang=en</a></td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://www.estyn.gov.wales/provider/$1</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Mixn'Match</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> We have <a href="/wiki/Property:P2253" title="Property:P2253">DfE URN (P2253)</a>, operated by the UK government; this is the Welsh Assembly's equivalent. Schools in OpenStreetMap colleagues are <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects">currently tagging schools with this ID</a>, so having it in Wikidata will allow us to identify matches and tag the OSM objects with their Wikidata ID also. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-11T14:31:00.000Z-Estyn_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 11 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>In the absence of geographic projects, I've notified the UK Wikmedians' mailing list of this proposal. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-24T13:50:00.000Z-Pigsonthewing-2016-01-11T14:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd>I think this is rather sensible - it would allow better integration with OSM. <a href="/wiki/User:Chase_me_ladies,_I%27m_the_Cavalry" title="User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry">Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chase_me_ladies,_I%27m_the_Cavalry" title="User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry-2016-03-24T14:08:00.000Z-Estyn_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Chase_me_ladies,_I%27m_the_Cavalry" title="User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry"><bdi>Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry</bdi></a>: No objections: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done with datatype external id. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T19:00:00.000Z-Estyn_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="FIFA_World_Ranking" data-mw-thread-id="h-FIFA_World_Ranking-2016-01-28T14:30:00.000Z">FIFA World Ranking</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/w/index.php?title=Property:P2656&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property:P2656 (page does not exist)">no label</a> (P2656) (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P2656&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Property talk:P2656 (page does not exist)">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>The teams of the member nations of FIFA, football's world governing body, are ranked based on their game results with the most successful teams being ranked highest.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q180825" title="Q180825">FIFA World Rankings</a> (Q180825)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"rankning" in <a href="https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/mall:fotbollslandslag" class="extiw" title="sv:mall:fotbollslandslag">sv:mall:fotbollslandslag</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>National teams in association football</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q166776" title="Q166776">Belgium men's national football team (Q166776)</a> → 1</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html">FIFA.com</a></td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>Bots could get data from infoboxes or by scraping the FIFA source.</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> The <a href="/wiki/Q180825" title="Q180825">FIFA World Rankings (Q180825)</a> is a common parameter in several infoboxes and it would be convenient to be able to fetch the information from Wikidata. This also makes it easier to keep the information updated. <a href="/wiki/User:Frisko" title="User:Frisko">Frisko</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Frisko" title="User talk:Frisko">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Frisko-2016-01-28T14:30:00.000Z-FIFA_World_Ranking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 28 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Frisko" title="User:Frisko"><bdi>Frisko</bdi></a>: No objections → <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done with the additional requirement of always using <a href="/wiki/Property:P585" title="Property:P585">point in time (P585)</a> as qualifier. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T19:28:00.000Z-FIFA_World_Ranking" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="EU_transparency_register_ID" data-mw-thread-id="h-EU_transparency_register_ID-2015-11-13T18:20:00.000Z">EU transparency register ID</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2657" title="Property:P2657">EU Transparency Register ID</a> (P2657) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2657" title="Property talk:P2657">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>identity code for an organisation, in the transparency register of the European Union</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#external-id" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">External identifier</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q43229" title="Q43229">organization (Q43229)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q14754981" title="Q14754981">Young Pirates of Europe (Q14754981)</a> → 697519611807-33</td></tr><tr><th>Formatter URL</th><td>http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/consultation/displaylobbyist.do?id=$1&isListLobbyistView=true</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Useful reference to describe items ★ <a href="/wiki/User:Airon90" title="User:Airon90">→ A</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Airon90" title="Special:Contributions/Airon90">ir</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airon90" title="User talk:Airon90">on 90</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Airon90-2015-11-13T18:20:00.000Z-EU_transparency_register_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 13 November 2015 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support (datatype changed to external ID). <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-20T20:49:00.000Z-Airon90-2015-11-13T18:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Airon90" title="User:Airon90"><bdi>Airon90</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing"><bdi>Pigsonthewing</bdi></a>: No objections -> <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T19:54:00.000Z-EU_transparency_register_ID" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="ISO_9362_SWIFT/BIC_code" data-mw-thread-id="h-ISO_9362_SWIFT/BIC_code-2016-01-26T14:57:00.000Z">ISO 9362 SWIFT/BIC code</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2627" title="Property:P2627">ISO 9362 SWIFT/BIC code</a> (P2627) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2627" title="Property talk:P2627">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>Banks, rarely other businesses</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:ISO_9362" class="extiw" title="w:en:ISO 9362">ISO 9362 on Wikipedia</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=60390">ISO 9362:2014</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=52017">ISO 9362:2009</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Common international standard identifier for banks and bank branch offices. Usually required when making international wire transfers. <a href="/wiki/User:Intgr" title="User:Intgr">Intgr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Intgr" title="User talk:Intgr">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Intgr-2016-01-26T14:57:00.000Z-ISO_9362_SWIFT/BIC_code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)</a> Changed type from "string" to "external identifier", improved <a href="/wiki/User:Intgr" title="User:Intgr">Intgr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Intgr" title="User talk:Intgr">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Intgr-2016-02-18T12:51:00.000Z-ISO_9362_SWIFT/BIC_code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:51, 18 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support Useful property. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-01-26T15:55:00.000Z-ISO_9362_SWIFT/BIC_code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 26 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support as proposed. Does it need a formatter URL to be an external ID datatype though? <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thryduulf-2016-03-07T11:44:00.000Z-Srittau-2016-01-26T15:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:44, 7 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: I don't think so, it's not hard to find external-id properties without a formatter URL at <a href="/wiki/Category:Properties_with_external-id-datatype" title="Category:Properties with external-id-datatype">Category:Properties with external-id-datatype</a>, for example <a href="/wiki/Property:P1067" title="Property:P1067">Thailand central administrative unit code (P1067)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P1116" title="Property:P1116">ELSTAT geographical code (P1116)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Intgr" title="User:Intgr">Intgr</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Intgr" title="User talk:Intgr">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Intgr-2016-03-11T13:48:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-03-07T11:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Intgr" title="User:Intgr"><bdi>Intgr</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau"><bdi>Srittau</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P2627" title="Property:P2627">ISO 9362 SWIFT/BIC code (P2627)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-19T20:40:00.000Z-ISO_9362_SWIFT/BIC_code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:40, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="reference_number_for_a_German_tax_authority" data-mw-thread-id="h-reference_number_for_a_German_tax_authority-2016-01-30T20:07:00.000Z">reference number for a German tax authority</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Done: <a href="/wiki/Property:P2628" title="Property:P2628">German tax authority ID</a> (P2628) (<a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P2628" title="Property talk:P2628">Talk and documentation</a>)</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Domain</th><td>german tax authorities ( <a href="/wiki/Q573607" title="Q573607">revenue service (Q573607)</a> )</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>4 digits</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This key references a German tax office by a 4-digit number (which is also part of the Steuernummer, assigned to individual taxpayers by that authority). Bei den Finanzämtern ist das primäre Ordnungskriterium die vierstellige bundeseinheitliche Finanzamtsnummer (BUFA-Nr.). <a href="/wiki/User:Maggot27" title="User:Maggot27">Maggot27</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maggot27" title="User talk:Maggot27">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Maggot27-2016-01-30T20:07:00.000Z-reference_number_for_a_German_tax_authority" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 30 January 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/15px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/23px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185" /> Support --<a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre">Kopiersperre</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kopiersperre" title="User talk:Kopiersperre">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Kopiersperre-2016-02-29T22:54:00.000Z-Maggot27-2016-01-30T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> @<a href="/wiki/User:Maggot27" title="User:Maggot27"><bdi>Maggot27</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Kopiersperre" title="User:Kopiersperre"><bdi>Kopiersperre</bdi></a>: <img alt="✓" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/15px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/23px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600" /> Done <a href="/wiki/Property:P2628" title="Property:P2628">German tax authority ID (P2628)</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing" title="User:Pigsonthewing">Andy Mabbett</a> (Pigsonthewing); <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing" title="User talk:Pigsonthewing">Talk to Andy</a>; <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing" title="Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing">Andy's edits</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pigsonthewing-2016-03-19T20:51:00.000Z-reference_number_for_a_German_tax_authority" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 19 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="proportional_representation_number" data-mw-thread-id="h-proportional_representation_number-2016-02-13T17:44:00.000Z">proportional representation number</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>For any geographical entity such as a US state, specify the number of representatives that represent this entity within larger entity, such as United States. For the state of New York, this number would be 27 (excluding the 2 for the senate). France could have this value set to 74 (representatives in EU. Each value should have a timestamp at which point this value was valid.</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:New York">New York state</a>'s infobox shows similar value - number of democrats and republican candidates in the House of Representatives.</td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>US states, European countries, some districts with proportional representations.</td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>0..infinity (integers)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td>see above</td></tr><tr><th>Robot and gadget jobs</th><td>bots could validate that this number corresponds to the count of current representatives that point to this entity</td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> This is a useful information for political visualizations - something like the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Sparql">number of museums per country</a> map that is based on wikidata, but for politics / regions. <a href="/wiki/User:Yurik" title="User:Yurik">Yurik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yurik" title="User talk:Yurik">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Yurik-2016-02-13T17:44:00.000Z-proportional_representation_number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 13 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt></dl> <ul><li><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/15px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/23px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg/30px-Pictogram_voting_comment.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250" /> Comment If this is implemented (and I'm not sure if I support it or not) then it needs some way of specifying which body is being represented as some entities can conceivably be represented in multiple bodies (regional/national/supranational parliaments, international bodies, etc. I suppose a mandatory qualifier might be able to do this. Alternatively this could be represented on the page about the representative body. I'm not sure which is better without more thought. <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf">Thryduulf</a> (talk: <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thryduulf" title="User talk:Thryduulf">local</a> | <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="w:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wp</a> | <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user_talk:Thryduulf" class="extiw" title="wikt:user talk:Thryduulf">en.wikt</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Thryduulf-2016-02-13T19:36:00.000Z-Yurik-2016-02-13T17:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: thanks to <a class="external text" href="https://tools.wmflabs.org/hay/propbrowse/">this amazing tool</a>, I just found <a href="/wiki/Property_talk:P1410" title="Property talk:P1410">P1410</a> -- number of seats held by political group or party in legislature body provided by qualifiers, with <a href="/wiki/Property:P194" title="Property:P194">P194 legislative body</a> being mandatory. I think we can adapt that property to mean not just the "political group", but geographical region. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yurik" title="User:Yurik">Yurik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yurik" title="User talk:Yurik">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Yurik-2016-02-14T12:48:00.000Z-Thryduulf-2016-02-13T19:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl> @<a href="/wiki/User:Yurik" title="User:Yurik"><bdi>Yurik</bdi></a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Thryduulf" title="User:Thryduulf"><bdi>Thryduulf</bdi></a>: <img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600" /> Not done, per Yurik. <a href="/wiki/Property:P1410" title="Property:P1410">number of seats in assembly (P1410)</a> seems to be a good choice for this purpose. --<a href="/wiki/User:Srittau" title="User:Srittau">Srittau</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Srittau" title="User talk:Srittau">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Srittau-2016-03-25T21:18:00.000Z-proportional_representation_number" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 25 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="revenue" data-mw-thread-id="h-revenue-2016-02-26T19:32:00.000Z">revenue</h3></div> <div class="property-navibox" dir="ltr"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r2262253935" /><div class="property-navibox-header"><ul class="property-navibox-links plainlinks"><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul><div> Not done</div></div><div class="property-navibox-main"><table><tbody><tr><th>Description</th><td>Total revenue of an organisation.</td></tr><tr><th>Represents</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q850210" title="Q850210">revenue</a> (Q850210)</td></tr><tr><th>Data type</th><td><a href="/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data_type#number" title="Special:MyLanguage/Help:Data type">Number</a> (not available yet)</td></tr><tr><th>Template parameter</th><td>"Revenue" in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Template:Infobox_company" class="extiw" title="w:en:Template:Infobox company">w:en:Template:Infobox_company</a> and many others, see <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Infoboxes/organizations#Sources_for_properties" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/organizations">Wikidata:WikiProject_Infoboxes/organizations#Sources_for_properties</a></td></tr><tr><th>Domain</th><td>instance of <a href="/wiki/Q43229" title="Q43229">organization (Q43229)</a></td></tr><tr><th>Allowed values</th><td>positive rational numbers (currency and date specified as qualifier)</td></tr><tr><th>Example</th><td><a href="/wiki/Q55672" title="Q55672">Mozilla Foundation (Q55672)</a> → $329.5 million (2014)</td></tr><tr><th>Source</th><td>Multiple: <a href="/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Infoboxes/organizations#Sources_for_properties" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/organizations">Wikidata:WikiProject_Infoboxes/organizations#Sources_for_properties</a></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div> <dl><dt>Motivation</dt></dl> Important classification criterion for subjects. <a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Nemo_bis-2016-02-26T19:32:00.000Z-revenue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dt>Discussion</dt> <dd><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/15px-X_mark.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="17" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/23px-X_mark.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/X_mark.svg/30px-X_mark.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="525" data-file-height="600" /> Not done duplicate of <a href="/wiki/Property:P2139" title="Property:P2139">total revenue (P2139)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Pasleim" title="User:Pasleim">Pasleim</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pasleim" title="User talk:Pasleim">talk</a>) <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Pasleim-2016-03-23T23:02:00.000Z-revenue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 23 March 2016 (UTC)</a> <dl><dd>It was not a duplicate in the Italian translation, but whatever, I'm changing P2139. I hope local wikis agree with you. <a href="/wiki/User:Nemo_bis" title="User:Nemo bis">Nemo</a> <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48#c-Nemo_bis-2017-06-24T17:36:00.000Z-Pasleim-2016-03-23T23:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 24 June 2017 (UTC)</a></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://auth.wikimedia.org/loginwiki/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48&oldid=1102554624">https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/48&oldid=1102554624</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Special:Categories" 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