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data-mw-thread-id="h-Old_welcome-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Old_welcome-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z"></span>Old welcome<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Old_welcome-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section's source code: Old welcome"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Cormaggio-2007-05-17T13:46:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2007-05-17T11:43:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z-Old_welcome"></span>See also: <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome/old" title="Template talk:Welcome/old">Template talk:Welcome/old</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:JWSchmidt" title="User:JWSchmidt">JWSchmidt</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z-Old_welcome" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z-Old_welcome"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z-Old_welcome"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hillgentleman-2007-05-17T11:43:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z"></span>And also <a href="/wiki/Template:Welcome/Unstable" title="Template:Welcome/Unstable">template:welcome/Unstable</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Hillgentleman-2007-05-17T11:43:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hillgentleman-2007-05-17T11:43:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-05-12T03:21:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-17T13:46:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2007-05-17T11:43:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-17T13:46:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2007-05-17T11:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Simplifying_and_focusing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Simplifying_and_focusing-2007-05-21T22:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Simplifying_and_focusing-2007-05-21T22:14:00.000Z"></span>Simplifying and focusing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Simplifying_and_focusing-2007-05-21T22:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section's source code: Simplifying and focusing"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Cormaggio-2007-05-22T10:11:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-21T22:14:00.000Z-Simplifying_and_focusing"></span>I like the initiative to get rid of the html for now, and focus on the links. Once we have an acceptable number of links, then we can perhaps work on a nice formatting (and I would again advocate keeping it basic, and avoid the mountain of code that currently gets added to people's talk pages. </p><p>It firstly seems to me that linking to <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Cite_sources" title="Wikiversity:Cite sources">Cite sources</a> <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Verifiability" title="Wikiversity:Verifiability">Wikiversity:Verifiability</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikiversity:NPOV">NPOV</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Scholarly_ethics" title="Wikiversity:Scholarly ethics">Wikiversity:Scholarly ethics</a> is slight overkill - perhaps linking to <b>one</b> of these would be enough, and then place this page (perhaps Scholarly ethics?) within a context of a few other key policies. I think "research guidelines" is unnecesary - unless the person shows an interest in research, and this can be added later. <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Help_desk" title="Wikiversity:Help desk">Wikiversity:Help desk</a> is repeated twice (and replicated in <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Questions" title="Wikiversity:Questions">Wikiversity:Questions</a>, and should really be linked from the Colloquium). I then think that the headings could be removed or reduced - for example, I've never liked the labelling of the Colloquium as "getting technical", as the Colloquium should be a place <i>anyone</i> can ask questions or make comments about Wikiversity - from the absolute newbie to the "veteran" (if anyone can be so named). </p><p>The main thing this is missing is a way for people to understand learning in Wikiversity, and how to use Wikiversity for their own learning. <a href="/wiki/Portal:Education/Wikiversity_model" class="mw-redirect" title="Portal:Education/Wikiversity model">Portal:Education/Wikiversity model</a> is a good start (if a bit wordy) - perhaps we can make a user-friendly introduction to "learning by doing"? We also don't have a link to <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Browse" title="Wikiversity:Browse">Wikiversity:Browse</a> - this could be useful. What else could be useful? What does a newbie need to get up to speed with Wikiversity as quickly as they can? <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Cormaggio-2007-05-21T22:14:00.000Z-Simplifying_and_focusing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-21T22:14:00.000Z-Simplifying_and_focusing"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-21T22:14:00.000Z-Simplifying_and_focusing"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z-Simplifying_and_focusing"></span>There are different kinds of "newbies" and the <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" class="mw-redirect" title="Main Page">Main Page</a> should provide them with links to what they need. We should not be using the welcome template to provide what the Main Page should provide. I have been <a href="/wiki/Main_Page/Draft_version_0.2" class="mw-redirect" title="Main Page/Draft version 0.2">working towards</a> a small set of "newbie tracks":<br/></li></ul> <ol><li>new to wiki<br/></li> <li>experienced with wiki but new to Wikiversity<br/></li> <li>browse track<br/></li> <li>track for teachers who want to use Wikiversity to host a classroom project<br/></li> <li>"heavy duty" content development track<br/></li></ol> <p>If we had a Main Page that provided newbies with what they need then the welcome template could really become a welcome template rather than a repair kit for the failings of the main page. --<a href="/wiki/User:JWSchmidt" title="User:JWSchmidt">JWSchmidt</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z-Simplifying_and_focusing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z-Simplifying_and_focusing"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z-Simplifying_and_focusing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-22T10:11:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z"></span>Good points. :-) A welcome template should not be making up for the Main Page's deficiencies, but have an emphasis on enculturation within Wikiversity, ie becoming part of the community and being motivated to explore and/or participate. However, I think it will still need to include some basic info on navigating and editing - which can be ignored if the user is already wiki-literate. <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Cormaggio-2007-05-22T10:11:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-22T10:11:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-22T10:11:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-05-22T01:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li>Is it assumed that a registered user knows how to browse and to obtain information? On wikipedia one can get away with entering almost any word into the search box and it would work. Not so here. I added "navigation".<a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="What_are_the_essentials?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_are_the_essentials?-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z"><span id="What_are_the_essentials.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_are_the_essentials?-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z"></span>What are the essentials?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_are_the_essentials?-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section's source code: What are the essentials?"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Cormaggio-2007-05-29T09:00:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z-What_are_the_essentials?"></span>I think the trick here is to go for something simple and direct, and not overwhelm the newcomer too much. Some ideas: </p> <ul><li>A welcome message should come across as sincere, warm, and friendly.</li> <li>A welcome message should provide links for newcomers to help themselves easily, and have access to help easily</li> <li>A welcome message should be nurturing - it should encourage participation in, and generation of content</li> <li>A welcome message should be short - it is not supposed to express all the nuances that a Wiki should have</li> <li>... --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z-What_are_the_essentials?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z-What_are_the_essentials?"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z-What_are_the_essentials?"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-29T09:00:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z"></span>I heartily second <i>all</i> of that. :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Cormaggio-2007-05-29T09:00:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-29T09:00:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-29T09:00:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-27T03:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Taking_shape" data-mw-thread-id="h-Taking_shape-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Taking_shape-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z"></span>Taking shape<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Taking_shape-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section's source code: Taking shape"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-HappyCamper-2007-06-08T18:11:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>11 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z-Taking_shape"></span>OK, I think this new welcome template is taking shape. Comments? Suggestions? --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-HappyCamper-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z-Taking_shape" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z-Taking_shape"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z-Taking_shape"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z"></span>It's looking good! I wonder if there should be a link to <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Introduction" title="Wikiversity:Introduction">Wikiversity:Introduction</a>? I also wonder why we are telling people they can "ask the support staff", when it's more of a distributed task (cf. <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Questions" title="Wikiversity:Questions">Wikiversity:Questions</a>, as linked below). I also think there should be more clear emphasis or guidance on how to get involved - I'm trying to think of a good single link for that... (does it exist?) <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-30T02:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-31T00:53:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z"></span>What if we just replaced that "ask the support staff line" with the "where to ask questions" links? Take a look...hmm...I just tried using the template. I think it's good, but something feels missing from it still. --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-HappyCamper-2007-05-31T00:53:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-31T00:53:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2007-05-31T00:53:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-31T20:59:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-31T00:53:00.000Z"></span>I've made one or two changes. I think what's missing is a single page which details how to <b>get involved</b> - this page should explian all of the ways that people can add to existing pages, upload their own work, and use Wikiversity to learn collaboratively. I made a start on the first parts of this at <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Adding_content" title="Wikiversity:Adding content">Wikiversity:Adding content</a>, but I think one single page (or perhaps tutorial) on <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Getting_involved" title="Wikiversity:Getting involved">getting involved</a> would be better. <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Cormaggio-2007-05-31T20:59:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-31T00:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-31T20:59:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-31T00:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-05-31T20:59:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-05-31T00:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-01T00:00:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-31T20:59:00.000Z"></span>I like that change re: policies - very, <i>very</i> nice! Other than that getting involved page, do you think this is ready for use? --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-HappyCamper-2007-06-01T00:00:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-31T20:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-01T00:00:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-31T20:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-01T00:00:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-31T20:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:12:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-06-01T00:00:00.000Z"></span>I think it's pretty much ready, but could be significantly improved by developing the getting involved page, and of course some better main page design.. :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:12:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-06-01T00:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:12:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-06-01T00:00:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:12:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-06-01T00:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CQ-2007-06-02T16:53:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z"></span>Will this have the table formatting similar to {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Welcome" title="Template:Welcome">welcome</a>}}? I like the simplification. Nice work! -- <a href="/wiki/User:CQ" title="User:CQ">CQ</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-CQ-2007-06-02T16:53:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CQ-2007-06-02T16:53:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CQ-2007-06-02T16:53:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-05-30T19:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:59:00.000Z-CQ-2007-06-02T16:53:00.000Z"></span>I kinda prefer the simplified structure - it certainly cuts down on that sea of code that people are currently faced with when they go to edit their talk page after the welcome template has been added... <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:59:00.000Z-CQ-2007-06-02T16:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:59:00.000Z-CQ-2007-06-02T16:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:59:00.000Z-CQ-2007-06-02T16:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-02T17:05:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:59:00.000Z"></span>Let's experiment. I split the bullets into 2 columns. How does it look? If it looks ready for use, I think the next project to work on is the main page. Maybe we should point out the links to the left, and encourage people to click on them. --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-HappyCamper-2007-06-02T17:05:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-02T17:05:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:59:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-02T17:05:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-02T16:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-06-02T17:05:00.000Z"></span>Personally, I reckon we should implement this as the default welcome message, and then tweak it and other related pages as we go. Thanks for all the work - especially HappyCamper! <a href="/wiki/User:Cormaggio" title="User:Cormaggio">Cormaggio</a> <sup><small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cormaggio" title="User talk:Cormaggio">talk</a></small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-06-02T17:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-06-02T17:05:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-06-02T17:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-08T18:11:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z"></span>I'm using this template sporadically. I'd like to add colors to it, but perhaps simple is best. I think I might move on to the main page. --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-HappyCamper-2007-06-08T18:11:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-08T18:11:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2007-06-08T18:11:00.000Z-Cormaggio-2007-06-07T21:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Got_one_on_my_user_discussion_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Got_one_on_my_user_discussion_page-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Got_one_on_my_user_discussion_page-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z"></span>Got one on my user discussion page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Got_one_on_my_user_discussion_page-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section's source code: Got one on my user discussion page"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jimp-2007-06-18T02:19:00.000Z-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z-Got_one_on_my_user_discussion_page"></span>I got something like this put on my user discussion page and I'm here to tell you it is IMPRESSIVE. Boy did I feel welcome! Thanks so much.<a href="/wiki/User:Harriska2" title="User:Harriska2">Harriska2</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z-Got_one_on_my_user_discussion_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z-Got_one_on_my_user_discussion_page"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z-Got_one_on_my_user_discussion_page"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jimp-2007-06-18T02:19:00.000Z-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z"></span>Me too. I've seen the old one on the pages of other users & I'm glad I got the new one instead—short & sweet ... and best of all, looks as if someone might just have written it. Nice work. <a href="/wiki/User:Jimp" title="User:Jimp">Jimp</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Jimp-2007-06-18T02:19:00.000Z-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jimp-2007-06-18T02:19:00.000Z-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jimp-2007-06-18T02:19:00.000Z-Harriska2-2007-06-04T22:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="template_problem" data-mw-thread-id="h-template_problem-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-template_problem-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z"></span>template problem<span data-mw-comment-end="h-template_problem-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section's source code: template problem"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-03T01:02:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z">16 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JWSchmidt-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z-template_problem"></span>The code for having this template include the message, "This welcome message was added by placing {{subst:welcome}} on the user page." was creating a problem. It was generating "WARNING: template loop detected" and adding "on the user page. -->" to the talk page when used by substitution. I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWelcome&diff=150369&oldid=149542">fixed the problem</a>, but my fix is a hack. --<a href="/wiki/User:JWSchmidt" title="User:JWSchmidt">JWSchmidt</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-JWSchmidt-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z-template_problem" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JWSchmidt-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z-template_problem"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JWSchmidt-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z-template_problem"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z"></span>I'm a little surprised this loop thing happens - anyway, I've reverted the changes. I think I might file a bug report. --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z-JWSchmidt-2007-08-18T18:47:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-20T19:41:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z"></span>The template expansion does take place during substitution even if you put < ! -- ---> around it. The same is true for the < p r e> < / p r e> tags. If you really want to write {{subst:welcome}} on a page, you would need something like <a href="/wiki/Template:Subst" title="Template:Subst">template:subst</a> to get it correct, eg with the wikitext <code>{{subst:subst}}welcome{{subst:rightbraces}}</code>. Anyhow, I have removed the comment, because, if the user understands it, she doesn't really need much of the welcome message.<a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-20T19:41:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-20T19:41:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-20T19:41:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-03T01:02:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z"></span>This peculiarity or feature of the mediawiki has gone with the old preprocessor. <a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-03T01:02:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-03T01:02:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-03T01:02:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2007-08-18T19:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="the_basics" data-mw-thread-id="h-the_basics-2007-09-19T00:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-the_basics-2007-09-19T00:46:00.000Z"></span>the basics<span data-mw-comment-end="h-the_basics-2007-09-19T00:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section's source code: the basics"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-19T00:46:00.000Z-the_basics">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-19T00:46:00.000Z-the_basics"></span>The basic wiki-mark-up's are == ==, [[]], '' '' and indentations *,:,#. I propose that the welcome template include at least one of each. Put the first line (greeting) in the section header. <a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-19T00:46:00.000Z-the_basics" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-19T00:46:00.000Z-the_basics"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hillgentleman-2007-09-19T00:46:00.000Z-the_basics"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Smiley" data-mw-thread-id="h-Smiley-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Smiley-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z"></span>Smiley<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Smiley-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section's source code: Smiley"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-06T15:48:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z">16 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>10 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jtneill-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z-Smiley"></span>I've got mixed feelings about the new box / smiley. Perhaps we could have a parameter to switch smiley on/off? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jtneill" title="User:Jtneill">Jtneill</a> - <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtneill" title="User talk:Jtneill">Talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Jtneill-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z-Smiley" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jtneill-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z-Smiley"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jtneill-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z-Smiley"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T20:18:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z"></span>I find the smiley + box a change to the normal wiki-style (or I just got used too much to it) - brings new colorful life wiki-life. Well, what a newcomer thinks about it we should also find out. Let's make a survey :-) Why not also make a copy from the old one also for usage - and perhaps make it dependent on a random function and when using the template we also get a surprise each time which of it gets selected :-)</dd> <dd>btw: what are the mixed feelings about ? ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=wikiversity-en">try</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T20:18:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T20:18:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T20:18:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-05T02:10:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:14:00.000Z-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T20:18:00.000Z"></span>I kept the version before McCormack at <a href="/wiki/Template:Welcome/plain" title="Template:Welcome/plain">template:welcome/plain</a>.</li> <li>Jtneill, Yes, it can be done. At the appropriate place, replace the relevant wikidcode for the smiley and the frame by: <kbd>{{subst:#ifeq:{{{smiley|}}}|off||the wikicode for the smiley and the frame|}}</kbd>.</li> <li>Erkan, Yes, it can be done. Instead of the above, use something like {{subst:#ifeq:{{subst:#expr:{{SUBST:CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} mod 2}}|0||wikicode for the smiley}}</li> <li>Each is good in its own way. Personally, I believe that the welcome message itself is often the <i>first example</i> for new-comers, wherefrom they learn their first set of wiki-syntax rules. Therefore I favour simplicity. It also partly explains why we had the three fundamental markups<kbd>== ==, [[]], * </kbd> appearing in the welcome message. <a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:14:00.000Z-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T20:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:14:00.000Z-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T20:18:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:14:00.000Z-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T20:18:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T21:30:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:14:00.000Z"></span>Good arguments and tips. Perhaps in the new (and perhaps more complex appearing wiki syntax for a newcomer) welcome msg there could be made invisible comments which can help the newcomer when viewing the source code to adapt it ? ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=wikiversity-en">try</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T21:30:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T21:30:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:14:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T21:30:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:47:00.000Z-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T21:30:00.000Z"></span>A little bit perhaps. The template is just a wikified welcome message; it can be a good first example (for a good wiki-style) but it shouldn't be a wikitext tutorial - that could be more confusing. <a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:47:00.000Z-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T21:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:47:00.000Z-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T21:30:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:47:00.000Z-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-05T21:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McCormack-2008-05-06T03:41:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:47:00.000Z"></span>Just reading <a href="/wiki/User:Jtneill" title="User:Jtneill">User:Jtneill</a>'s comment about the smiley. Yes - it is rather big and bold, isn't it? I increased the icon size until I was scared, and then added a bit more for good measure. Most newcomers never stay at WV for long, disappearing within a few hours for good. So my thinking was "seek attention", however much it scares you. But sure, lots of different versions to suit everyone's tastes. How about a version which changes colour every day? --<a href="/wiki/User:McCormack" title="User:McCormack">McCormack</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-McCormack-2008-05-06T03:41:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McCormack-2008-05-06T03:41:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:47:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McCormack-2008-05-06T03:41:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-05T21:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z-McCormack-2008-05-06T03:41:00.000Z"></span>We could boost the shock value by having the Welcome messages signed randomly by one of the users in <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Mascot_contest" title="Wikiversity:Mascot contest">Mascot contest</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jtneill" title="User:Jtneill">Jtneill</a> - <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtneill" title="User talk:Jtneill">Talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z-McCormack-2008-05-06T03:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z-McCormack-2008-05-06T03:41:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z-McCormack-2008-05-06T03:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McCormack-2008-05-06T04:06:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z"></span>Eyes right. --<a href="/wiki/User:McCormack" title="User:McCormack">McCormack</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-McCormack-2008-05-06T04:06:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McCormack-2008-05-06T04:06:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McCormack-2008-05-06T04:06:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z"></span> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Smiley_green_alien_droling.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Smiley_green_alien_droling.svg/64px-Smiley_green_alien_droling.svg.png" decoding="async" width="64" height="82" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Smiley_green_alien_droling.svg/96px-Smiley_green_alien_droling.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Smiley_green_alien_droling.svg/128px-Smiley_green_alien_droling.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="43" data-file-height="55"/></a><figcaption>McCormack's favourite.</figcaption></figure></dd> <dd>Maybe if interested we can play with <a href="/wiki/Template:Random_mascot" title="Template:Random mascot">Template:Random mascot</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jtneill" title="User:Jtneill">Jtneill</a> - <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtneill" title="User talk:Jtneill">Talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T03:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-06T15:48:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z"></span>Nice, I wish I would have welcomed like this back then :-) ----<a href="/wiki/User:Erkan_Yilmaz" title="User:Erkan Yilmaz">Erkan Yilmaz</a> <small>uses the <a href="/wiki/Wikiversity:Chat" title="Wikiversity:Chat">Wikiversity:Chat</a> (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=wikiversity-en">try</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-06T15:48:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-06T15:48:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erkan_Yilmaz-2008-05-06T15:48:00.000Z-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="mentioning_the_sandbox" data-mw-thread-id="h-mentioning_the_sandbox-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-mentioning_the_sandbox-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z"></span>mentioning the sandbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-mentioning_the_sandbox-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section's source code: mentioning the sandbox"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:33:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z">16 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z-mentioning_the_sandbox"></span>Notice that the sandbox is linked from the very top of <a href="/wiki/Help:Editing" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Editing">help:editing</a>, which was linked from the very first bullet (take a guided tour and learn to edit) in the welcoming message. The direct link to the sandbox may be useful, but it may not be useful enough (experienced editors know it already; newcomers may not know how to edit at all, and had better follow the advice and go to <a href="/wiki/Help:Editing" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Editing">help:editing</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Hillgentleman" title="User:Hillgentleman">Hillgentleman</a>|<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hillgentleman" title="User talk:Hillgentleman">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z-mentioning_the_sandbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z-mentioning_the_sandbox"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z-mentioning_the_sandbox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:33:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z"></span>Feel free to remove the Sandbox link. I just got the feeling that some of the unwanted page creations are good faith edits by newcomers looking for somewhere to play. The Sandbox isn't really that user-friendly... So, what about a direct link to something like <b>edit my user page</b>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Jtneill" title="User:Jtneill">Jtneill</a> - <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jtneill" title="User talk:Jtneill">Talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:33:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:33:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jtneill-2008-05-06T04:33:00.000Z-Hillgentleman-2008-05-06T04:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Updates" data-mw-thread-id="h-Updates-2008-07-04T15:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Updates-2008-07-04T15:43:00.000Z"></span>Updates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Updates-2008-07-04T15:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section's source code: Updates"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-McCormack-2008-07-04T15:43:00.000Z-Updates">16 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-McCormack-2008-07-04T15:43:00.000Z-Updates"></span>I updated this a bit today. --<a href="/wiki/User:McCormack" title="User:McCormack">McCormack</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-McCormack-2008-07-04T15:43:00.000Z-Updates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-McCormack-2008-07-04T15:43:00.000Z-Updates"><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-McCormack-2008-07-04T15:43:00.000Z-Updates"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Signature_Icon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Signature_Icon-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Signature_Icon-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z"></span>Signature Icon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Signature_Icon-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Welcome&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section's source code: Signature Icon"><span>edit source</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Extra999-2012-02-09T05:55:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z">12 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mehdi-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z-Signature_Icon"></span>Please changing the signature icon with new version. Namely: <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Button_sig.png" decoding="async" width="23" height="22" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="23" data-file-height="22"/></span></span> replace with <span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Insert-signature.png" decoding="async" width="22" height="22" class="mw-file-element" data-file-width="22" data-file-height="22"/></span></span>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Mehdi" title="User:Mehdi">Mehdi</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Mehdi-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z-Signature_Icon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mehdi-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z-Signature_Icon"><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mehdi-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z-Signature_Icon"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z-Mehdi-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for catching that. --<a href="/wiki/User:HappyCamper" title="User:HappyCamper">HappyCamper</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z-Mehdi-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z-Mehdi-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z-Mehdi-2011-09-08T09:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Extra999-2012-02-09T05:55:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z"></span>Can you change the file as [[File:Insert-signature.png]] to [[File:Insert-signature.png|alt=|link=]] as it is in most Wikipedia templates. --<a href="/wiki/User:Extra999" title="User:Extra999">Extra999</a> <a href="https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template_talk:Welcome#c-Extra999-2012-02-09T05:55:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Extra999-2012-02-09T05:55:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Extra999-2012-02-09T05:55:00.000Z-HappyCamper-2011-11-19T20:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; 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