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width:100%;"> <tbody><tr> <th colspan="6"><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Request_pages" title="Wiktionary:Request pages">Wiktionary Request pages</a> <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Request_pages&action=edit"><small>(edit)</small></a></span> <small><small><i>see also: <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Discussion_rooms" title="Wiktionary:Discussion rooms">discussions</a></i></small></small> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="width:25%; vertical-align:top; text-align:center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_cleanup" title="Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup">Requests for cleanup</a></b><br/> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_cleanup&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_cleanup&action=history">history</a> | <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_cleanup/archive" title="Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup/archive">archives</a></span></small> <p><small><b>Cleanup</b> requests, questions and discussions.</small> </p> </td> <td rowspan="2" style="width:25%; vertical-align:top; text-align:center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification" title="Wiktionary:Requests for verification">Requests for verification</a></b> <div style="text-align:left"> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/English" title="Wiktionary:Requests for verification/English">English</a></b> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/English&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/English&action=history">history</a></span></small></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/CJK" title="Wiktionary:Requests for verification/CJK">CJK</a></b> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/CJK&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/CJK&action=history">history</a></span></small></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/Italic" title="Wiktionary:Requests for verification/Italic">Italic</a></b> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/Italic&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/Italic&action=history">history</a></span></small></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/Non-English" title="Wiktionary:Requests for verification/Non-English">Non-English</a></b> (all other languages) <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/Non-English&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification/Non-English&action=history">history</a></span></small></li></ul> </div> <p><small><b>Requests for verification</b> in the form of durably-archived attestations conveying the meaning of the term in question.</small> </p> </td> <td rowspan="2" style="width:25%; vertical-align:top; text-align:center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion">Requests for deletion</a></b> <div style="text-align:left"> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/English">English</a></b> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English&action=history">history</a></span></small></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/CJK" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/CJK">CJK</a></b> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/CJK&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/CJK&action=history">history</a></span></small></li> <li><b><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Italic</a></b> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=history">history</a></span></small></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Reconstruction" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/Reconstruction">Reconstruction</a></b> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Reconstruction&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Reconstruction&action=history">history</a></span></small></li> <li><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Non-English" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/Non-English">Non-English</a></b> (all other languages) <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Non-English&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Non-English&action=history">history</a></span></small></li></ul> </div> <p><small><b>Requests for deletion</b> of pages in the <b>main and Reconstruction</b> namespace due to policy violations; also for undeletion requests.</small> </p> </td> <td style="width:25%; vertical-align:top; text-align:center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Others" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/Others">Requests for deletion/Others</a></b><br/> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Others&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Others&action=history">history</a></span></small> <p><small><b>Requests for deletion</b> and undeletion of pages in <b>other</b> (not the main) namespaces, such as categories, appendices and templates.</small> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="width:25%; vertical-align:top; text-align:center;"><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_moves,_mergers_and_splits" title="Wiktionary:Requests for moves, mergers and splits">Requests for moves, mergers and splits</a></b><br/> <small><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_moves,_mergers_and_splits&action=edit&section=new">add new request</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_moves,_mergers_and_splits&action=history">history</a> | <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_moves,_mergers_and_splits/archive" title="Wiktionary:Requests for moves, mergers and splits/archive">archives</a></span></small> <p><small><b>Moves, mergers and splits</b>; 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clear: right; border: 1px solid gray; background-color: var(--wikt-palette-cream,#F8F8F0); margin: 1em 1em 1em 1em; padding:5px; font-size:smaller; width: 30%"> <p>Scope of this request page: </p> <ul><li>In-scope: terms suspected to be multi-word sums of their parts such as “green leaf”</li> <li>Out-of-scope: terms whose existence is in doubt</li></ul> <p>Templates: </p> <ul><li><code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:rfd#top" title="Template:rfd">rfd</a>}}</code></li> <li><code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:rfd-sense#top" title="Template:rfd-sense">rfd-sense</a>}}</code></li> <li><code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:rfd-redundant#top" title="Template:rfd-redundant">rfd-redundant</a>}}</code></li> <li><code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:archive-top#top" title="Template:archive-top">archive-top</a>|rfd}}</code> + <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:archive-bottom#top" title="Template:archive-bottom">archive-bottom</a>}}</code></li></ul> <p>See also: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:CFI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:CFI">Criteria for inclusion</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Page_deletion_guidelines" title="Wiktionary:Page deletion guidelines">Page deletion guidelines</a></li></ul> </div> <p><b>Scope:</b> This page is for requests for <i>deletion</i> of pages, entries and senses in the <i>main namespace</i> for a reason other than that the term cannot be attested. The most common reason for posting an entry or a sense here is that it is a sum of parts, such as "green leaf". It is occasionally used for undeletion requests (requests to restore entries that may have been wrongly deleted). </p><p><b>Out of scope:</b> This page is not for words whose existence or attestation is disputed, for which see <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_verification" title="Wiktionary:Requests for verification">Wiktionary:Requests for verification</a>. Disputes regarding whether an entry falls afoul of any of the subsections in <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:CFI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:CFI">our criteria for inclusion</a> that demand a particular kind of attestation (such as <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:CFI#Place_names" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:CFI">figurative use requirements for certain place names</a> and the <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:BRAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:BRAND">WT:BRAND</a> criteria) should also go to RFV. Blatantly obvious candidates for deletion should only be tagged with <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:delete#top" title="Template:delete">delete</a>|Reason for deletion}}</code> and not listed. </p><p><b>Adding a request:</b> To add a request for deletion, place the template <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:rfd#top" title="Template:rfd">rfd</a>}}</code> or <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:rfd-sense#top" title="Template:rfd-sense">rfd-sense</a>}}</code> to the questioned entry, and then <a href="/wiki/Special:NewSection/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic" title="Special:NewSection/Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/Italic">make a new nomination here</a>. The section title should be exactly the wikified entry title such as <code>[[green leaf]]</code>. The deletion of just part of a page may also be proposed here. If an entire section is being proposed for deletion, the tag <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:rfd#top" title="Template:rfd">rfd</a>}}</code> should be placed at the top; if only a sense is, the tag <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:rfd-sense#top" title="Template:rfd-sense">rfd-sense</a>}}</code> should be used, or the more precise <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:rfd-redundant#top" title="Template:rfd-redundant">rfd-redundant</a>}}</code> if it applies. In any of these cases, any editor, including non-admins, may act on the discussion. </p><p><b>Closing a request:</b> A request can be closed once a month has passed after the nomination was posted, except for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SNOW" class="extiw" title="w:WP:SNOW">snowball cases</a>. If a decision to delete or keep has not been reached due to insufficient discussion, <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:look#top" title="Template:look">look</a>}}</code> can be added and knowledgeable editors pinged. If there is sufficient discussion, but a decision cannot be reached because there is no consensus, the request can be closed as “no consensus”, in which case the status quo is maintained. The threshold for consensus is hinted at the ratio of 2/3 of supports to supports and opposes, but is not set in stone and other considerations than pure tallying can play a role; see <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2022-09/Meaning_of_consensus_for_discussions_other_than_formal_votes_created_at_Wiktionary:Votes" title="Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2022-09/Meaning of consensus for discussions other than formal votes created at Wiktionary:Votes">the vote</a>. </p> <ul><li>Deleting or removing the entry or sense (if it was deleted), or de-tagging it (if it was kept). In either case, the edit summary or deletion summary should indicate what is happening.</li> <li>Adding a comment to the discussion here with either <b>RFD-deleted</b> or <b>RFD-kept</b>, indicating what action was taken.</li> <li>Striking out the discussion header.</li></ul> <p>(Note: In some cases, like moves or redirections, the disposition is more complicated than simply “RFD-deleted” or “RFD-kept”.) </p><p><b>Archiving a request:</b> At least a week after a request has been closed, if no one has objected to its disposition, the request should be archived to the entry's talk page. This is usually done using the <a href="/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-aWa.js/documentation" title="MediaWiki:Gadget-aWa.js/documentation">aWa</a> gadget, which can be enabled at <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:PREFS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:PREFS">WT:PREFS</a>. </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="tagged-rfds" style="float: right; background: var(--wikt-palette-paleblue,#F8F9FA); color: var(--wikt-palette-black,#000);"><div id="tagged-rfds-header" style="background: var(--wikt-palette-lightergrey,#EEEEEE) color: var(--wikt-palette-black,#000); text-align: center; font-size: 1em; font-weight: bold;">Tagged RFDs</div><div class="CategoryTreeTag" data-ct-options="{"mode":10,"hideprefix":20,"showcount":true,"namespaces":false,"notranslations":false}"><div class="CategoryTreeSection"><div class="CategoryTreeItem"><span class="CategoryTreeBullet"><a class="CategoryTreeToggle" data-ct-title="Requests_for_deletion_by_language" data-ct-loaded="1" aria-expanded="true"></a> </span> <bdi dir="ltr"><a 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title="Contains 0 subcategories, 5 pages, and 0 files" dir="ltr">(0 c, 5 e)</span></div><div class="CategoryTreeChildren" style="display:none"></div></div><div class="CategoryTreeSection"><div class="CategoryTreeItem"><span class="CategoryTreeBullet"><a class="CategoryTreeToggle" data-ct-title="Requests_for_deletion_in_Hittite_entries" aria-expanded="false"></a> </span> <bdi dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Category:Requests_for_deletion_in_Hittite_entries" title="Category:Requests for deletion in Hittite entries">Requests for deletion in Hittite entries</a></bdi> <span title="Contains 0 subcategories, 1 page, and 0 files" dir="ltr">(0 c, 1 e)</span></div><div class="CategoryTreeChildren" style="display:none"></div></div><div class="CategoryTreeSection"><div class="CategoryTreeItem"><span class="CategoryTreeEmptyBullet"></span> <bdi dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Category:Requests_for_deletion_in_Hungarian_entries" title="Category:Requests for deletion in Hungarian entries">Requests for deletion in 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tocsection-5"><a href="#September_2020"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">September 2020</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-6"><a href="#gangaba"><span class="tocnumber">3.1</span> <span class="toctext">gangaba</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#October_2020"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">October 2020</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-8"><a href="#M’,_M’.,_M.’"><span class="tocnumber">4.1</span> <span class="toctext">M’, M’., M.’</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#December_2021"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">December 2021</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-10"><a href="#n'y"><span class="tocnumber">5.1</span> <span class="toctext">n'y</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-11"><a href="#i'ay"><span class="tocnumber">5.1.1</span> <span class="toctext">i'ay</span></a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#March_2022"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">March 2022</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-13"><a href="#em_se_tratando_de"><span class="tocnumber">6.1</span> <span class="toctext">em se tratando de</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#May_2022"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">May 2022</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-15"><a href="#curvar-se"><span class="tocnumber">7.1</span> <span class="toctext">curvar-se</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#April_2023"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">April 2023</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-17"><a href="#Jeanne_d'Arc"><span class="tocnumber">8.1</span> <span class="toctext">Jeanne d'Arc</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-18"><a href="#-ação,_-acção,_-ização"><span class="tocnumber">8.2</span> <span class="toctext">-ação, -acção, -ização</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#May_2023"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">May 2023</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-20"><a href="#cartão_do_cidadão"><span class="tocnumber">9.1</span> <span class="toctext">cartão do cidadão</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#July_2023"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">July 2023</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-22"><a href="#avere_fame"><span class="tocnumber">10.1</span> <span class="toctext">avere fame</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-23"><a href="#avere_sete"><span class="tocnumber">10.1.1</span> <span class="toctext">avere sete</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-24"><a href="#avere_paura"><span class="tocnumber">10.1.2</span> <span class="toctext">avere paura</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-25"><a href="#avere_freddo"><span class="tocnumber">10.1.3</span> <span class="toctext">avere freddo</span></a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#August_2023"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">August 2023</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-27"><a href="#aspirador_de_pó"><span class="tocnumber">11.1</span> <span class="toctext">aspirador de pó</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-28"><a href="#per_quanto_riguarda"><span class="tocnumber">11.2</span> <span class="toctext">per quanto riguarda</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-3 tocsection-29"><a href="#per_quanto_concerne"><span class="tocnumber">11.2.1</span> <span class="toctext">per quanto concerne</span></a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#September_2023"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">September 2023</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-31"><a href="#încheietura_mâinii"><span class="tocnumber">12.1</span> <span class="toctext">încheietura mâinii</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-32"><a href="#Bósnia-Herzegóvina"><span class="tocnumber">12.2</span> <span class="toctext">Bósnia-Herzegóvina</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-33"><a href="#louco_e_sonhador"><span class="tocnumber">12.3</span> <span class="toctext">louco e sonhador</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-34"><a href="#na_velocidade_da_luz"><span class="tocnumber">12.4</span> <span class="toctext">na velocidade da luz</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-35"><a href="#quelle_horreur"><span class="tocnumber">12.5</span> <span class="toctext">quelle horreur</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#October_2023"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">October 2023</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-37"><a href="#procédé_mnémotechnique"><span class="tocnumber">13.1</span> <span class="toctext">procédé mnémotechnique</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-38"><a href="#perro_callejero"><span class="tocnumber">13.2</span> <span class="toctext">perro callejero</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#November_2023"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">November 2023</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-40"><a href="#acabar_de"><span class="tocnumber">14.1</span> <span class="toctext">acabar de</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#December_2023"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">December 2023</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-42"><a href="#oricum_ar_fi"><span class="tocnumber">15.1</span> <span class="toctext">oricum ar fi</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-43"><a href="#carros_por_puestos"><span class="tocnumber">15.2</span> <span class="toctext">carros por puestos</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-44"><a href="#El_Camino_Real"><span class="tocnumber">15.3</span> <span class="toctext">El Camino Real</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-45"><a href="#Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers"><span class="tocnumber">15.4</span> <span class="toctext">Spanish ciento uno and other multi-word higher-than-100 numbers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-46"><a href="#ideia_de_jerico"><span class="tocnumber">15.5</span> <span class="toctext">ideia de jerico</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#January_2024"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">January 2024</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-48"><a href="#jì_annànze"><span class="tocnumber">16.1</span> <span class="toctext">jì annànze</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-49"><a href="#ca_de_obicei"><span class="tocnumber">16.2</span> <span class="toctext">ca de obicei</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#March_2024"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">March 2024</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-51"><a href="#pluja_radiactiva"><span class="tocnumber">17.1</span> <span class="toctext">pluja radiactiva</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-52"><a href="#tinnitus"><span class="tocnumber">17.2</span> <span class="toctext">tinnitus</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#April_2024"><span class="tocnumber">18</span> <span class="toctext">April 2024</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-54"><a href="#gerundivus"><span class="tocnumber">18.1</span> <span class="toctext">gerundivus</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-55"><a href="#grande_dame"><span class="tocnumber">18.2</span> <span class="toctext">grande dame</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-56"><a href="#floare_de_măr,_floare_de_cireș,_floare_de_portocal"><span class="tocnumber">18.3</span> <span class="toctext">floare de măr, floare de cireș, floare de portocal</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-57"><a href="#shok_samachar"><span class="tocnumber">18.4</span> <span class="toctext">shok samachar</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-58"><a href="#paco"><span class="tocnumber">18.5</span> <span class="toctext">paco</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-59"><a href="#patinete_eléctrico,_patinete_elétrico"><span class="tocnumber">18.6</span> <span class="toctext">patinete eléctrico, patinete elétrico</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-60"><a href="#inzuppare_il_biscotto"><span class="tocnumber">18.7</span> <span class="toctext">inzuppare il biscotto</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-61"><a href="#declarar_guerra"><span class="tocnumber">18.8</span> <span class="toctext">declarar guerra</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-62"><a href="#declarar_la_guerra"><span class="tocnumber">18.9</span> <span class="toctext">declarar la guerra</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-63"><a href="#dêcliather_la_dgèrre"><span class="tocnumber">18.10</span> <span class="toctext">dêcliather la dgèrre</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-64"><a href="#-ifer"><span class="tocnumber">18.11</span> <span class="toctext">-ifer</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-65"><a href="#de_quel_droit"><span class="tocnumber">18.12</span> <span class="toctext">de quel droit</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-66"><a href="#vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo"><span class="tocnumber">18.13</span> <span class="toctext">vivere in un proprio mondo</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-67"><a href="#facisca"><span class="tocnumber">18.14</span> <span class="toctext"><s>facisca</s></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-68"><a href="#-atum"><span class="tocnumber">18.15</span> <span class="toctext">-atum</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-69"><a href="#aparat_de_proiecție"><span class="tocnumber">18.16</span> <span class="toctext">aparat de proiecție</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-70"><a href="#alături_de"><span class="tocnumber">18.17</span> <span class="toctext">alături de</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-71"><a href="#Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks"><span class="tocnumber">18.18</span> <span class="toctext">Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-72"><a href="#coajă_de_banană"><span class="tocnumber">18.19</span> <span class="toctext">coajă de banană</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-73"><a href="#Parti_socialiste"><span class="tocnumber">18.20</span> <span class="toctext">Parti socialiste</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-74"><a href="#Parti_communiste_français"><span class="tocnumber">18.21</span> <span class="toctext">Parti communiste français</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-75"><a href="#Les_Républicains"><span class="tocnumber">18.22</span> <span class="toctext">Les Républicains</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-76"><a href="#Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts"><span class="tocnumber">18.23</span> <span class="toctext">Europe Écologie Les Verts</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-77"><a href="#Les_Écologistes"><span class="tocnumber">18.24</span> <span class="toctext">Les Écologistes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-78"><a href="#La_France_insoumise"><span class="tocnumber">18.25</span> <span class="toctext">La France insoumise</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-79"><a href="#En_marche"><span class="tocnumber">18.26</span> <span class="toctext">En marche</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-80"><a href="#Renaissance"><span class="tocnumber">18.27</span> <span class="toctext">Renaissance</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-81"><a href="#tren_de_mare_viteză"><span class="tocnumber">18.28</span> <span class="toctext">tren de mare viteză</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-82"><a href="#coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie"><span class="tocnumber">18.29</span> <span class="toctext">coală de hârtie, foaie de hârtie</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-83"><a href="#fără_tragere_de_inimă"><span class="tocnumber">18.30</span> <span class="toctext">fără tragere de inimă</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-84"><a href="#eu_te_amo,_amo-te"><span class="tocnumber">18.31</span> <span class="toctext">eu te amo, amo-te</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-85"><a href="#anti-Stokess"><span class="tocnumber">18.32</span> <span class="toctext"><s>anti-Stokess</s></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-86"><a href="#pâine_aromată"><span class="tocnumber">18.33</span> <span class="toctext">pâine aromată</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-87"><a href="#espêtos"><span class="tocnumber">18.34</span> <span class="toctext">espêtos</span></a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="July_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-July_2020-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-July_2020-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"></span>July 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-July_2020-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: July 2020"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="latet_anguis_in_herba" data-mw-thread-id="h-latet_anguis_in_herba-July_2020-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-latet_anguis_in_herba-July_2020-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/latet_anguis_in_herba#rfd-notice-la-" title="latet anguis in herba">latet anguis in herba</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-latet_anguis_in_herba-July_2020-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: latet anguis in herba"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Brutal_Russian-2021-05-18T11:03:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-07-28T20:39:00.000Z">3 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z-latet_anguis_in_herba"></span>Is it lexicalised in Latin (if yes, should it possibly be moved to <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/w/index.php?title=anguis_in_herba&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="anguis in herba (page does not exist)">anguis in herba</a></i>?), or was it only created because it's the origin of the English idiom? @<a href="/wiki/User:Metaknowledge" title="User:Metaknowledge">Metaknowledge</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Fay_Freak" title="User:Fay Freak">Fay Freak</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z-latet_anguis_in_herba" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z-latet_anguis_in_herba"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z-latet_anguis_in_herba"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-07-28T20:39:00.000Z-PUC-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"></span>The phrase can be found in Latin texts, mostly literally as in Virgil, but sometimes with the verb in conjugated form.<sup><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=b1xaAAAAcAAJ&pg=PP87&dq=%22anguis+in+herba%22&hl=en">[1]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=OVX8wHxKCHUC&pg=PP82&dq=%22anguis+in+herba%22&hl=en">[2]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=lE8xAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA111&dq=%22anguis+in+herba%22&hl=en">[3]</a></sup> These, the oldest ones I found (apart from Virgil), are all from the 16th century. I also found an elliptic use, without the verb.<sup><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=Ztw2lcgWF9kC&pg=PP54&dq=%22anguis+in+herba%22&hl=en">[4]</a></sup> --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-07-28T20:39:00.000Z-PUC-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 28 July 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-07-28T20:39:00.000Z-PUC-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-07-28T20:39:00.000Z-PUC-2020-07-28T15:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Brutal_Russian-2021-05-18T11:03:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-07-28T20:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">PUC</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a>:It seems like the idiomatic part is the noun phrase, while the verb can be omitted without loss of meaning, which seems to be the ultimate criterion for determining an idiom. It's obviously an allegory originally, and a good allegory is always ripe for becoming proverbial; nevertheless, I think this only happened after Erasmus, as it isn't found among his proverbial mountains of proverbs. <a href="/wiki/User:Brutal_Russian" title="User:Brutal Russian">Brutal Russian</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Brutal_Russian" title="User talk:Brutal Russian">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Brutal_Russian-2021-05-18T11:03:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-07-28T20:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Brutal_Russian-2021-05-18T11:03:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-07-28T20:39:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Thomas_Linard-2020-09-10T16:15:00.000Z-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:58:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>11 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>7 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-2020-08-14T18:46:00.000Z--srice"></span>French suffix, apparent alt form of <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/-trice#French" title="-trice">-trice</a></i> but unused. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-2020-08-14T18:46:00.000Z--srice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-2020-08-14T18:46:00.000Z--srice"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-2020-08-14T18:46:00.000Z--srice"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-08-14T19:11:00.000Z-Ultimateria-2020-08-14T18:46:00.000Z"></span>Is the syllable onset <i>sr-</i> even possible in French? --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-08-14T19:11:00.000Z-Ultimateria-2020-08-14T18:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 14 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-08-14T19:11:00.000Z-Ultimateria-2020-08-14T18:46:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless 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We have listing for six French nouns ending in <i>-srice</i>, all actually in <i>-ssrice</i>: <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/successrice#French" title="successrice">successrice</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/pr%C3%A9d%C3%A9cessrice#French" title="prédécessrice">prédécessrice</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/intercessrice#French" title="intercessrice">intercessrice</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=assessrice&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="assessrice (page does not exist)">assessrice</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=professrice&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="professrice (page does not exist)">professrice</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/possessrice#French" title="possessrice">possessrice</a></i>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Mahagaja" title="User:Mahagaja">Mahāgaja</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahagaja" title="User talk:Mahagaja"><i>talk</i></a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-14T19:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-14T19:11:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-14T19:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-2020-08-14T20:15:00.000Z-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z"></span>FWIW, I find all of these jarring. I'd consider them nonstandard. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-2020-08-14T20:15:00.000Z-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-2020-08-14T20:15:00.000Z-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-2020-08-14T20:15:00.000Z-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z-PUC-2020-08-14T20:15:00.000Z"></span>Notwithstanding their jarringness, can they be attested? --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z-PUC-2020-08-14T20:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z-PUC-2020-08-14T20:15:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z-PUC-2020-08-14T20:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-2020-08-15T22:25:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z"></span>Only one (<i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/pr%C3%A9d%C3%A9cessrice#French" title="prédécessrice">prédécessrice</a></i>) is actually suffixed. I agree with your point below and suggest sticking with <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/-rice#French" title="-rice">-rice</a></i>. Whose <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:French_words_suffixed_with_-rice&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:French words suffixed with -rice (page does not exist)">category</a>, incidentally, has only 3 pages compared to 23 at <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:French_words_suffixed_with_-trice&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:French words suffixed with -trice (page does not exist)"><i>-trice</i></a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-2020-08-15T22:25:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-2020-08-15T22:25:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-2020-08-15T22:25:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z"></span>If <i>professrice</i> is analyzed as <i>profes</i> + <i>-srice</i>, shouldn't we then not also have <i>-drice</i> (used in <i>ambassadrice</i>) and <i>-trice</i> (used in <i>actrice</i> and <i>inspectrice</i>)? --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z-Mahagaja-2020-08-14T19:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z"></span>There might be a mistake. Modern French doesn't allow such a cluster, in onset or between two syllables (with /s/ as coda and /r/ as onset), so if you're dealing with Middle French you should use "mfr". If they were used in Middle French, the fricative of the aforementioned cluster would have undergone a fortition leading to /tr/ in Modern French. Also the productive feminine agent noun-forming suffixes are <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/-eur#French" title="-eur">-eur</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="ann-pos">without any distinction with masculine, given that the latter acts as the neuter</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/-eure#French" title="-eure">-eure</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="ann-pos">almost never used but recently coined by the Academy, although no institution can ever rule a language</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span> or <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/-euse#French" title="-euse">-euse</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="ann-pos">the regular feminine form of "-eur"</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span>, and the ones which forms <i>standard</i> feminines of the words above are definitely -eur (by far the most used, though indistinguishable from the masculine without context) and -eure (somewhat better according to the said Academy). <a href="/wiki/User:Malku_H%E2%82%82n%CC%A5r%C3%A9s" title="User:Malku H₂n̥rés">Malku H₂n̥rés</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Malku_H%E2%82%82n%CC%A5r%C3%A9s" title="User talk:Malku H₂n̥rés">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-08-15T14:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:11:00.000Z-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z"></span>This all seems a little silly. <s>The only attestations i can find for the words that end in <i>ssrice</i> are indications that they are incorrect forms for which <i>correct</i> forms already exist.</s> The etymology proposed for them (based on the existence of a Latin form) looks sketchy, too, because they are almost certainly neologisms based on the existing masculine form. Finally, splitting <i>ss</i> in the middle doesn't make any sense when they <i>always</i> act as a single letter in French, so the suffix, if these terms are attested, would be <i>-rice.</i> (cf. masculine <i>-eur</i>).<a href="/wiki/User:SteveGat" title="User:SteveGat">SteveGat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SteveGat" title="User talk:SteveGat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:11:00.000Z-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 4 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:11:00.000Z-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:11:00.000Z-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:58:00.000Z-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z"></span>I managed to find some attestations for some of the words, but the proposed suffix remains frivolous. French wiktionary doesn't have it, and the words there that end in ssrice are proposed to have the suffix <a class="external text" href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/-rice">-rice</a>, based the -eur/-rice pair. In any case, this suffix should be deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:SteveGat" title="User:SteveGat">SteveGat</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SteveGat" title="User talk:SteveGat">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:58:00.000Z-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:58:00.000Z-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:58:00.000Z-Malku_H₂n̥rés-2020-09-04T17:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomas_Linard-2020-09-10T16:15:00.000Z-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:58:00.000Z"></span>I agree. Btw, Wiktionary distinguishes between <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">[[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:French_words_suffixed_with_-rice&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:French words suffixed with -rice (page does not exist)">Category:French words suffixed with -rice</a>]]</code> and <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">[[<a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:French_words_suffixed_with_-trice&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:French words suffixed with -trice (page does not exist)">Category:French words suffixed with -trice</a>]]</code>, but Wiktionnaire doesn't: <a class="external free" href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Mots_en_fran%C3%A7ais_suffix%C3%A9s_avec_-rice">https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Mots_en_fran%C3%A7ais_suffix%C3%A9s_avec_-rice</a> (only a sub-category for <i>-cultrice</i>). <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Thomas_Linard&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Thomas Linard (page does not exist)">Thomas Linard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomas_Linard" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Thomas Linard">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Thomas_Linard-2020-09-10T16:15:00.000Z-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomas_Linard-2020-09-10T16:15:00.000Z-SteveGat-2020-09-04T19:58:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="gangaba" data-mw-thread-id="h-gangaba-September_2020-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-gangaba-September_2020-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/gangaba#rfd-notice-la-" title="gangaba">gangaba</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-gangaba-September_2020-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: gangaba"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Fay_Freak-20230924182300-PUC-20230924110000">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>15 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>7 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fay_Freak-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z-gangaba"></span>There is no indication this is Latin, it is only known from one mention in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Curtius_Rufus" class="extiw" title="w:Quintus Curtius Rufus">Quintus Curtius Rufus</a> 3, 13, 7 which is “<i>Gangabas Persae vocant humeris onera portantes.</i>” – “The <i>Persians</i> call those who carry burdens on their shoulders <i>gangaba</i>”. <a href="/wiki/User:Fay_Freak" title="User:Fay Freak">Fay Freak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fay_Freak" title="User talk:Fay Freak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fay_Freak-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z-gangaba" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:09, 6 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fay_Freak-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z-gangaba"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-09-07T08:28:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-17T12:42:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z"></span>I think current practice is to keep hapaxes mentioned as being from foreign languages in ancient languages, as there is no good alternative way of including them without tons of speculation on the base form and base language. The entry should, however, reflect that it is simply mentioned as a foreign word as opposed to being a word that was actually in use in Latin. If we delete entries like these, we miss out on some of the most interesting mentioned words from antiquity (my personal favorites are <a href="/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%B4%CE%BF%CF%82" title="μέδος">μέδος</a> and <a href="/wiki/haliurunna" title="haliurunna">haliurunna</a>). So yeah, <b>keep</b>, please. I have edited the entry to reflect its foreignness to Latin. — <a href="/wiki/User:Mnemosientje" title="User:Mnemosientje">Mnemosientje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mnemosientje" title="User talk:Mnemosientje">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje" title="Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-17T12:42:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 17 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-17T12:42:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-17T12:42:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-06T21:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z-Mnemosientje-2020-09-17T12:42:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mnemosientje" title="User:Mnemosientje">Mnemosientje</a>: Not sure about such practice, the majority of comprehensive reference works omit them, being thus strict as including what really belongs to a language, like the <i class="Polyt mention" lang="grc"><a href="/wiki/%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%B1#Ancient_Greek" title="σαπάνα">σαπάνα</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span lang="grc-Latn" class="mention-tr tr Latn">sapána</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span> I yesterday found and most of these names in Dioscourides – should we add those thousands of – often insecurely read – names from there? And I account for the space being unlimited here. I’d rather avoid this kind of entries, if feasible, without tons of speculation. @<a href="/wiki/User:ZxxZxxZ" title="User:ZxxZxxZ">ZxxZxxZ</a>: does it remind you of any word? Maybe we could mention it on some Neo-Persian word as its oldest attestation; also we need translations for <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/porter#English" title="porter">porter</a></i> (I only know <i class="Arab fa-Arab mention" lang="fa"><a href="/wiki/%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84#Persian" title="حمال">حمال</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span lang="fa-Latn" class="mention-tr tr Latn">hammâl</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span>. These entries stay misleading and have properties of ghost words, if they are titled “Latin” and are in descendant lists as Latin, and even have pronunciation sections like normal Latin word as <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/haliurunna#Latin" title="haliurunna">haliurunna</a></i> has; maybe <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/haliurunna#Latin" title="haliurunna">haliurunna</a></i> should actually be presented as Gothic, <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/gangaba#Latin" title="gangaba">gangaba</a></i> as Old Persian, while <i class="Polyt mention" lang="grc"><a href="/wiki/%CF%83%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%B1#Ancient_Greek" title="σαπάνα">σαπάνα</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span lang="grc-Latn" class="mention-tr tr Latn">sapána</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span> as <a href="/wiki/Category:Undetermined_lemmas" title="Category:Undetermined lemmas">undetermined</a>? That would be much truer. But in any case we also need to categorize such lacking entries somehow.</dd> <dd>I mention that it seems like taxonomists have built moth names on this porter word: <span class="biota"><a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mamerthes_gangaba" class="extiw" title="wikispecies:Mamerthes gangaba"><i>Mamerthes gangaba</i></a></span>, <span class="biota"><a href="https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Elachista_gangabella" class="extiw" title="wikispecies:Elachista gangabella"><i>Elachista gangabella</i></a></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Fay_Freak" title="User:Fay Freak">Fay Freak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fay_Freak" title="User talk:Fay Freak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z-Mnemosientje-2020-09-17T12:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z-Mnemosientje-2020-09-17T12:42:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z-Mnemosientje-2020-09-17T12:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z"></span>I added all I found, and couldn't found anything related in Middle Persian, though this is probably from some other <a href="/wiki/Middle_Iranian" title="Middle Iranian">Middle Iranian</a> language. --<a href="/wiki/User:ZxxZxxZ" title="User:ZxxZxxZ"><b>Z</b></a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-19T10:47:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z"></span>The main point is that these words need some place to stay, and especially in antiquity it often is hard to determine what exactly was the donor language. We can't be sure how well the antique authors knew from which language a word really derives. For example, the <i>haliurunna</i> word may not be Gothic proper at all (what if it's Vandalic instead, or some other EGmc language? Antique authors regularly conflated them with Goths), the word <i>medos</i> I mentioned is of uncertain origin, etc.; their forms are determined by how respectively a Latin and Greek writer made sense of these words they heard, they are therefore in terms of form probably not (exactly) as they would have been in their source language. Thus, it is not a bad solution per se imo to just keep such words at the language of the text in which they are attested, while clarifying that they are supposed to represent words from some other language. Perhaps "Undetermined" could be a solution, I have not thought about that much. I mainly just want them to have entries, as they are often (etymologically and otherwise) very interesting words. — <a href="/wiki/User:Mnemosientje" title="User:Mnemosientje">Mnemosientje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mnemosientje" title="User talk:Mnemosientje">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje" title="Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-19T10:47:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-19T10:47:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-19T10:47:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z-1"></span>I removed the pronunciation from haliurunna btw, you are right that it made little sense — <a href="/wiki/User:Mnemosientje" title="User:Mnemosientje">Mnemosientje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mnemosientje" title="User talk:Mnemosientje">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje" title="Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje">c</a>) <dl><dd>I've seen a dictionary (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehkhoda_Dictionary" class="extiw" title="w:Dehkhoda Dictionary">w:Dehkhoda Dictionary</a>) that actually includes hapaxes. But also it's a good idea to include such pages in the categoriese of the language of origin: <a href="/wiki/%CF%83%CF%80%CE%AC%CE%BA%CE%B1" title="σπάκα">σπάκα</a> is the only directly known Old Median word, mentioned in a Greek text. --<a href="/wiki/User:ZxxZxxZ" title="User:ZxxZxxZ"><b>Z</b></a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z-1"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z-Fay_Freak-2020-09-18T19:14:00.000Z-1"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-20T11:58:00.000Z-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span>Many dictionaries do; L&S for example, which is a Latin dictionary linked on the <i>gangaba</i> entry, includes it, as it does many other hapaxes of non-Latin origin. — <a href="/wiki/User:Mnemosientje" title="User:Mnemosientje">Mnemosientje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mnemosientje" title="User talk:Mnemosientje">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje" title="Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-20T11:58:00.000Z-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 20 September 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-20T11:58:00.000Z-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mnemosientje-2020-09-20T11:58:00.000Z-ZxxZxxZ-2020-09-19T12:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z-gangaba"></span>I'd like to add that we should use this occasion to remove <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:ALA#Attestation" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:ALA">that antiquated rule</a> that says a hapax is only good if it comes from Festus, Nonius Marcellinus or Saint Isidore. It's obvious, as evidenced by this discussion, that nobody abides by it. Also a general cleanup of the dusty <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:ALA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:ALA">WT:ALA</a> would be good. --<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z-gangaba" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z-gangaba"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z-gangaba"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Surjection-2021-02-07T21:25:00.000Z-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b> and move all such hapaxes to an appendix. — <a href="/wiki/User:Surjection" title="User:Surjection"><b>s</b>ur</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Surjection" title="Special:Contributions/Surjection"><b>j</b>ec</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Surjection" title="Special:Log/Surjection"><b>t</b>ion</a> ⟨<code><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Surjection" title="User talk:Surjection"><b>??</b></a></code>⟩ <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Surjection-2021-02-07T21:25:00.000Z-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:25, 7 February 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Surjection-2021-02-07T21:25:00.000Z-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-24" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Surjection-2021-02-07T21:25:00.000Z-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mnemosientje-2021-03-15T11:00:00.000Z-Surjection-2021-02-07T21:25:00.000Z"></span>Appendixes is where words go to die, it is much preferable to just have them in mainspace where they'll actually be found by people looking for them. Again, it's hardly unheard of for Latin dictionaries to list such Latinised foreign hapaxes among more standard words (with an appropriate disclaimer, ofc), and there is no reason why we shouldn't. They're far too interesting to relegate to an appendix, imo. — <a href="/wiki/User:Mnemosientje" title="User:Mnemosientje">Mnemosientje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mnemosientje" title="User talk:Mnemosientje">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje" title="Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Mnemosientje-2021-03-15T11:00:00.000Z-Surjection-2021-02-07T21:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 15 March 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mnemosientje-2021-03-15T11:00:00.000Z-Surjection-2021-02-07T21:25:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mnemosientje-2021-03-15T11:00:00.000Z-Surjection-2021-02-07T21:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Surjection-20221018055800-Mnemosientje-2021-03-15T11:00:00.000Z"></span>OK, appendix + <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:no_entry#top" title="Template:no entry">no entry</a>}}</code> then. — <a href="/wiki/User:Surjection" title="User:Surjection">S<small>URJECTION</small></a> <sup>/<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Surjection" title="User talk:Surjection"> T </a></i>/<i><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Surjection" title="Special:Contributions/Surjection"> C </a></i>/<i><a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Surjection" title="Special:Log/Surjection"> L </a></i>/</sup> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Surjection-20221018055800-Mnemosientje-2021-03-15T11:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Surjection-20221018055800-Mnemosientje-2021-03-15T11:00:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Surjection-20221018055800-Mnemosientje-2021-03-15T11:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mnemosientje-20221121154900-Surjection-20221018055800"></span>That is even more useless than merely relegating it to an appendix, as the notice doesn't really fit the situation and would merely be confusing to the end user. Any solution that doesn't at the very least maintain good findability and contextual information in mainspace would be worse than just keeping it the way it currently is.</dd> <dd>Also: I have no idea why what's good enough for Lewis & Short or Gaffiot shouldn't be good enough for us, especially given that these words tend to be among the most interesting ones attested in the corpus of classical texts. This kind of memory-holing is particularly egregious as Latin/Greek mentions of foreign words are often among the sole attestations of various <i>Trümmersprachen</i>; compare for example the Vandalic corpus, which consists more or less solely of a single Latinized sentence in a satirical poem. Even if we don't just keep it the way it is, we should at the very least maintain useful entries in mainspace to list possible etymologies and give other contextual information for these very interesting linguistic relics. (Might as well yeet <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/sufes#Latin" title="sufes">sūfes</a></i> off to the void.) — <a href="/wiki/User:Mnemosientje" title="User:Mnemosientje">Mnemosientje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mnemosientje" title="User talk:Mnemosientje">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje" title="Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Mnemosientje-20221121154900-Surjection-20221018055800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mnemosientje-20221121154900-Surjection-20221018055800"><span id="ooui-php-27" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mnemosientje-20221121154900-Surjection-20221018055800"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20230924110000-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z"></span>I'm sympathetic to Mnemosientje's view, but I don't like at all having this under a Latin header. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20230924110000-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:00, 24 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20230924110000-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-28" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20230924110000-Biolongvistul-2020-11-16T06:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fay_Freak-20230924182300-PUC-20230924110000"></span>We could have some template scheme for L2 headers == word mentioned in language x claimed language y ==. Which would cause technical vagaries, and be a bit like “Wiktionary does not have an entry on …” while at the same time acknowledging people’s searching for it. It is clearly low priority to include these ancient word-lists in the mainspace. <a href="/wiki/User:Fay_Freak" title="User:Fay Freak">Fay Freak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fay_Freak" title="User talk:Fay Freak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fay_Freak-20230924182300-PUC-20230924110000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fay_Freak-20230924182300-PUC-20230924110000"><span id="ooui-php-29" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fay_Freak-20230924182300-PUC-20230924110000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="October_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-October_2020-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-October_2020-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"></span>October 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-October_2020-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: October 2020"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="M’,_M’.,_M.’" data-mw-thread-id="h-M’,_M’.,_M.’-October_2020-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"><span id="M.E2.80.99.2C_M.E2.80.99..2C_M..E2.80.99"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-M’,_M’.,_M.’-October_2020-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/M%E2%80%99#rfd-notice-la-" title="M’">M’</a>, <a href="/wiki/M%E2%80%99." title="M’.">M’.</a>, <a href="/wiki/M.%E2%80%99" title="M.’">M.’</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-M’,_M’.,_M.’-October_2020-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: M’, M’., M.’"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Victar-2020-10-31T17:54:00.000Z-Equinox-2020-10-31T09:23:00.000Z">4 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>18 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>8 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z-M’,_M’.,_M.’"></span>Latin. Minor typographical variations. <a href="/wiki/User:DTLHS" title="User:DTLHS">DTLHS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DTLHS" title="User talk:DTLHS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z-M’,_M’.,_M.’" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 16 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z-M’,_M’.,_M.’"><span id="ooui-php-30" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z-M’,_M’.,_M.’"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-17T14:10:00.000Z-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"></span>Redirect</b> to <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%27.#Latin" title="M'.">M'.</a></i>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-10-17T14:10:00.000Z-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 17 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-17T14:10:00.000Z-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-31" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-10-17T14:10:00.000Z-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-19T23:48:00.000Z-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"></span>Comments: <ol><li>I would certainly have thought a redirect was more appropriate than a delete for each. <ul><li><a href="/wiki/M%27.#Variant_spellings" title="M'.">M'.#Variant spellings</a> lists five variants. @<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> do you intend <ol><li><span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%E2%80%99#Latin" title="M’">M’</a></span> , <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M.%E2%80%99#Latin" title="M.’">M.’</a></span> , <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%E2%80%99.#Latin" title="M’.">M’.</a></span> all redirect to <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%27.#Latin" title="M'.">M'.</a></span> ? In which case shouldn't <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%27#Latin" title="M'">M'</a></span> and <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M.%27#Latin" title="M.'">M.'</a></span> also redirect to <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%27.#Latin" title="M'.">M'.</a></span> ?</li> <li>I would say rather that <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%E2%80%99#Latin" title="M’">M’</a></span> redirect to <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%27#Latin" title="M'">M'</a></span> , and <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M.%E2%80%99#Latin" title="M.’">M.’</a></span> to <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M.%27#Latin" title="M.'">M.'</a></span>, with only <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%E2%80%99.#Latin" title="M’.">M’.</a></span> redirecting to <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%27.#Latin" title="M'.">M'.</a></span> .</li></ol></li></ul></li> <li>As to what the typographical symbol is see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.org/details/recentdiscoveri01earwgoog/page/n47/mode/1up">this cited source</a>: <dl><dd><dl><dd>One archaeologist asserts that the stroke after the M is a well-known abbreviation for the <i>prænomen Manius</i>; but this is generally M❜ ; a small comma-like figure being introduced after the M.</dd></dl></dd> <dd>The "small comma-like figure" in the source is different from a comma and from an apostrophe, but I'm not sure what it is, how widespread the use of such a distinct symbol was, or whether it would matter to Wiktionary.</dd></dl></li></ol></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Jnestorius" title="User:Jnestorius">Jnestorius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnestorius" title="User talk:Jnestorius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Jnestorius-2020-10-19T23:48:00.000Z-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-19T23:48:00.000Z-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-32" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-19T23:48:00.000Z-DTLHS-2020-10-16T23:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-19T23:48:00.000Z"></span>I don’t know enough about the likelihood of various variants being used as search terms; my main point is that we should not just delete an entry if the term is a plausible search term that is an attested variant of an included term. If it is a “minor typographical variation”, I think a hard redirect is preferable to deletion. It depends on the specifics of each case whether a hard redirect is better than a soft redirect, but it is general practice (called “<i>de facto</i> acceptable” in <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:REDIR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:REDIR">WT:REDIR</a>) to redirect terms with a curly apostrophe <big><b>’</b></big> to the same with a straight apostrophe <big><b>'</b></big>, so it is fine to have <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%E2%80%99#Latin" title="M’">M’</a></span> redirect to <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M%27#Latin" title="M'">M'</a></span> and <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M.%E2%80%99#Latin" title="M.’">M.’</a></span> to <span class="Latn" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/M.%27#Latin" title="M.'">M.'</a></span>, as long as we do not create double soft redirects, which may be a source of irritation. The question what present-day character corresponds to the “small comma-like figure” found in Roman inscriptions appears anachronistic to me. Someone more familiar with this material should look at this, but I think these abbreviations in Roman texts did not use a period, but followed them by an interpunct as a general separator between words. Looking at some of the sources, I am not certain that the usage note at <a href="/wiki/M%27." title="M'.">M'.</a> is correct either. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-19T23:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-19T23:48:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-33" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-19T23:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-20T09:29:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z"></span>The "small comma-like figure" was not in the Roman inscriptions; ꟿ was, as supported by the reference <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.ie/books?id=Vzc9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA51">"M.' (for Manius) is purely modern"</a>. We are talking about 19/20C printed transcriptions. <a href="/wiki/User:Jnestorius" title="User:Jnestorius">Jnestorius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnestorius" title="User talk:Jnestorius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Jnestorius-2020-10-20T09:29:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-20T09:29:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-34" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-20T09:29:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-20T09:29:00.000Z"></span>The author of “The recent discoveries of Roman remains found in repairing the north wall of the city of Chester” (linked to above) appears to believe that the “small comma-like figure” is found in Roman inscriptions as part of an abbreviation of “Manius”, since he discards the proposed interpretation of “<b><span style="font-family:Roman;">ꟿ</span></b>” seen <u>in an inscription</u> as abbreviating “Manius” by stating that this is generally “<b><span style="font-family:Roman;">M<sub><big>’</big></sub></span></b>”. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-20T09:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-20T09:29:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-35" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-20T09:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"></span>Ah yes, I get your point. I would be tempted to delete the source as unreliable on that basis, but that would be cherry-picking and/or circular reasoning on my part. I will defer to anyone with actual expertise instead. <a href="/wiki/User:Jnestorius" title="User:Jnestorius">Jnestorius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnestorius" title="User talk:Jnestorius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 23 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-36" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manius_(praenomen)" class="extiw" title="w:Manius (praenomen)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c--sche-2020-10-23T21:47:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z"></span>Manius (praenomen)</a>, citing various sources, says the name was originally abbreviated with the five-stroke M, and later abbreviated as M + the apostrophe-like thing. Given the source above and other sources I see when I search for things like "Manius, abbreviated" or "abbreviation of Manius" which say M' was the standard abbreviation of Manius (including ones talking about how that was easy to confuse with the abbreviation M. for Marcus), I take this to mean both abbreviations were found in period, whether in inscriptions or elsewhere. <a href="/wiki/User:-sche" title="User:-sche">- -sche</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:-sche" title="User talk:-sche">(discuss)</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c--sche-2020-10-23T21:47:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c--sche-2020-10-23T21:47:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-37" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c--sche-2020-10-23T21:47:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J3133-2020-10-20T09:40:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a>: Re “it is general practice<span class="q-hellip-sp"> </span><span class="q-hellip-b">[</span>…<span class="q-hellip-b">]</span><span class="q-hellip-b"> </span>to redirect terms with a curly apostrophe”: compare <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=I%E2%80%99m&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="I’m (page does not exist)">I’m</a></i> (etc.), deleted in 2019: “don't need redirects that only differ by curly quote -- the system does this automatically”. <a href="/wiki/User:J3133" title="User:J3133">J3133</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J3133" title="User talk:J3133">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-J3133-2020-10-20T09:40:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J3133-2020-10-20T09:40:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-38" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J3133-2020-10-20T09:40:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T07:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T09:40:00.000Z"></span>Well, it doesn’t for me. I see <a href="/w/index.php?title=I%E2%80%99m&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="I’m (page does not exist)">I’m</a> as a red link; when I click on it the system tells me (among other things): “Wiktionary does not yet have an entry for I’m.” <small class="unsigned">— This <a href="/wiki/Help:Signing_your_posts" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Signing your posts">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lambiam" title="User talk:Lambiam">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lambiam" title="Special:Contributions/Lambiam">contribs</a>) at <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T09:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:10, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T09:40:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-39" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T09:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mahagaja-2020-10-20T11:14:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"></span>That's just what I was going to say. When I click on the red link <a href="/w/index.php?title=I%E2%80%99m&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="I’m (page does not exist)">I’m</a> I am not taken automatically to <a href="/wiki/I%27m" title="I'm">I'm</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Mahagaja" title="User:Mahagaja">Mahāgaja</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mahagaja" title="User talk:Mahagaja"><i>talk</i></a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Mahagaja-2020-10-20T11:14:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mahagaja-2020-10-20T11:14:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-40" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mahagaja-2020-10-20T11:14:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"></span>You missed the point. It does not have an entry because it was deleted. <a href="/wiki/User:J3133" title="User:J3133">J3133</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J3133" title="User talk:J3133">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-41" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z-Lambiam-2020-10-20T11:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-21T21:43:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z"></span>But the point is (I think) that it was deleted under a false pre<s>text</s>mise. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2020-10-21T21:43:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:43, 21 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2020-10-21T21:43:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-42" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2020-10-21T21:43:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Equinox" title="User:Equinox">Equinox</a> care to explain your edit summary quoted above ("the system does this automatically")? <a href="/wiki/User:Jnestorius" title="User:Jnestorius">Jnestorius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnestorius" title="User talk:Jnestorius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 23 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-43" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z-J3133-2020-10-20T11:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DTLHS-2020-10-23T21:53:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z"></span>I think the only automatic redirect is when using the search box. <a href="/wiki/User:DTLHS" title="User:DTLHS">DTLHS</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DTLHS" title="User talk:DTLHS">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-DTLHS-2020-10-23T21:53:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:53, 23 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DTLHS-2020-10-23T21:53:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-44" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DTLHS-2020-10-23T21:53:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Equinox-2020-10-31T09:23:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z"></span>I can't explain stuff I did in 2019. I can't remember what I did last Tuesday, mate. <a href="/wiki/User:Equinox" title="User:Equinox">Equinox</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Equinox" title="User talk:Equinox">◑</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Equinox-2020-10-31T09:23:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Equinox-2020-10-31T09:23:00.000Z-Jnestorius-2020-10-23T21:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-45" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Victar-2020-10-31T17:54:00.000Z-Equinox-2020-10-31T09:23:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Victar-2020-10-31T17:54:00.000Z-Equinox-2020-10-31T09:23:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-46" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-This,_that_and_the_other-2022-06-25T08:06:00.000Z-Fytcha-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fytcha-2021-12-16T23:43:00.000Z-n'y"></span>Middle French. Tagged but not listed (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/?diff=58385032">diff</a></span> by @<a href="/wiki/User:HeliosX" title="User:HeliosX">HeliosX</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Fytcha" title="User:Fytcha">Fytcha</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fytcha" title="User talk:Fytcha">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fytcha-2021-12-16T23:43:00.000Z-n'y" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fytcha-2021-12-16T23:43:00.000Z-n'y"><span id="ooui-php-48" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fytcha-2021-12-16T23:43:00.000Z-n'y"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="i'ay" data-mw-thread-id="h-i'ay-n'y-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z"><span id="i.27ay"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-i'ay-n'y-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/i%27ay#rfd-notice-frm-" title="i'ay">i'ay</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-i'ay-n'y-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: i'ay"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fytcha-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z-i'ay"></span>Middle French. Tagged but not listed (<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/?diff=58385064">diff</a></span> by @<a href="/wiki/User:HeliosX" title="User:HeliosX">HeliosX</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User:Fytcha" title="User:Fytcha">Fytcha</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fytcha" title="User talk:Fytcha">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fytcha-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z-i'ay" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fytcha-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z-i'ay"><span id="ooui-php-49" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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other">This, that and the other</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:This,_that_and_the_other" title="User talk:This, that and the other">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-This,_that_and_the_other-2022-06-25T08:06:00.000Z-Fytcha-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-This,_that_and_the_other-2022-06-25T08:06:00.000Z-Fytcha-2021-12-17T00:03:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="em_se_tratando_de" data-mw-thread-id="h-em_se_tratando_de-March_2022-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-em_se_tratando_de-March_2022-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/em_se_tratando_de#rfd-notice-pt-" title="em se tratando de">em se tratando de</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-em_se_tratando_de-March_2022-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: em se tratando de"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sarilho1-2022-04-02T13:49:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z">2 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z-em_se_tratando_de"></span>Recently created by @<a href="/wiki/User:Munmula" title="User:Munmula">Munmula</a>, but isn't this just a SOP? Furthermore, the definition is already included in <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/tratar#Portuguese" title="tratar">tratar</a></i>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z-em_se_tratando_de" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z-em_se_tratando_de"><span id="ooui-php-51" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z-em_se_tratando_de"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Munmula-2022-03-30T08:45:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z"></span>I may have missed something, but I've never seen such a construction being used outside this phrase, at least not in Brazilian Portuguese. "Tratando-se de" would be a SOP, but the preposition at the beginning makes it all weird in my opinion. - <a href="/wiki/User:Munmula" title="User:Munmula">Munmula</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Munmula" title="User talk:Munmula">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Munmula-2022-03-30T08:45:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:45, 30 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Munmula-2022-03-30T08:45:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-52" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Munmula-2022-03-30T08:45:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T08:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:09:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T08:45:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, you might indeed be right and some sources do refer it might be a Gallicism. But what about the similar construction "em que se trata de"? Would you say that too would be a preposition? - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:09:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T08:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:09, 30 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:09:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T08:45:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-53" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:09:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T08:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2022-03-30T09:40:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:09:00.000Z"></span>It <u>functions</u> as one, just like <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/when_it_comes_to#English" title="when it comes to">when it comes to</a></i>. Is it idiomatic? It is far more common<sup><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22em+que+se+trata+de%22&source=lnms&tbm=nws&hl=en">[5]</a></sup> than <i>em que trata-se de</i>.<sup><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22em+que+trata-se+de%22&source=lnms&tbm=nws&hl=en">[6]</a></sup><small class="unsigned">— This <a href="/wiki/Help:Signing_your_posts" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Signing your posts">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lambiam" title="User talk:Lambiam">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lambiam" title="Special:Contributions/Lambiam">contribs</a>) at <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2022-03-30T09:40:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)</a>.</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2022-03-30T09:40:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:09:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-54" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2022-03-30T09:40:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:54:00.000Z-Lambiam-2022-03-30T09:40:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> You forgot to sign. As for your comment, the first of your examples is more common because the second is not considered correct. Dependent clauses imply proclisis should be used instead of enclisis. I don't think commonness would be a good argument there, though that doesn't imply you aren't correct about it being idiomatic. <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:54:00.000Z-Lambiam-2022-03-30T09:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:54:00.000Z-Lambiam-2022-03-30T09:40:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-55" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:54:00.000Z-Lambiam-2022-03-30T09:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:54:00.000Z"></span>Yes. In Portuguese, enclisis ("trata-se") is not used after relative pronouns like <i>que</i> or negative words like <i>não</i> or <i>nunca</i>, with the proclisis ("se trata") being used instead. I'm also unsure about what to do, but I think we can all agree we're not dealing with a mere SOP and this deserves some entry of its own. <a href="/wiki/User:Munmula" title="User:Munmula">Munmula</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Munmula" title="User talk:Munmula">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:54:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-56" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-03-30T09:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-2022-04-02T13:49:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z"></span>That might be the best option. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-2022-04-02T13:49:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:49, 2 April 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-2022-04-02T13:49:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-57" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-2022-04-02T13:49:00.000Z-Munmula-2022-03-30T18:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="May_2022" data-mw-thread-id="h-May_2022-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-May_2022-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>May 2022<span data-mw-comment-end="h-May_2022-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: May 2022"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="curvar-se" data-mw-thread-id="h-curvar-se-May_2022-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-curvar-se-May_2022-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/curvar-se#rfd-notice-pt-" title="curvar-se">curvar-se</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-curvar-se-May_2022-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: curvar-se"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Polomo47-20240912022700-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>15 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>8 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z-curvar-se"></span>Portuguese. Reflexive form of <a href="/wiki/curvar" title="curvar">curvar</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z-curvar-se" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 24 May 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z-curvar-se"><span id="ooui-php-58" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z-curvar-se"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-2022-07-04T16:22:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Question</b>. We have quite a few such lemmas, such as <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/dobrar-se#Portuguese" title="dobrar-se">dobrar-se</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/endireitar-se#Portuguese" title="endireitar-se">endireitar-se</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/prostrar-se#Portuguese" title="prostrar-se">prostrar-se</a></i>. Should these all be deleted, or is there some deletion rationale that applies specifically to <i>curvar-se</i>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>@<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a>. Sorry, I didn't noticed the question sooner. I do think that if one is deleted, all of them should. But maybe we should open a different discussion to fully set what policy should be set? - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-2022-07-04T16:22:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-2022-07-04T16:22:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-59" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-2022-07-04T16:22:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-2022-07-05T14:53:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-07-04T16:22:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a>. See a similar issue below for Italian: <a href="#essersi">§ essersi</a>. I suppose a general discussion can be held on when to include and when not to include such cliticized forms. For a mesoclitic, see <a href="#gözlenebilmek">§ gözlenebilmek</a>. I see that <a href="/wiki/Category:Spanish_reflexive_verbs" title="Category:Spanish reflexive verbs">Spanish reflexive verbs</a> such as <i class="Latn mention" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/inclinarse#Spanish" title="inclinarse">inclinarse</a></i> are listed, but not as lemmas but as verb forms. --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-2022-07-05T14:53:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-07-04T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-2022-07-05T14:53:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-07-04T16:22:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-60" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-2022-07-05T14:53:00.000Z-Sarilho1-2022-07-04T16:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20230905010600-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b> this and the other <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=%22portuguese+reflexive+verbs%22+-%22portuguese+lemmas%22&fulltext=1">Portuguese entries like it</a></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20230905010600-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 5 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20230905010600-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-61" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20230905010600-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231118032900-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Comment</b>: Whatever we choose should match how we treat -rse verbs in Spanish. It's wildly inconsistent to delete <a href="/wiki/curvar-se" title="curvar-se">curvar-se</a> and others like it while leaving <a href="/wiki/curvarse" title="curvarse">curvarse</a> untouched. <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231118032900-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231118032900-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-62" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231118032900-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Waldyrious-20240202164400-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Keep</b>: While I agree it's not relevant to document all reflexive forms of Portuguese verbs, some of them (<i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/curvar-se#Portuguese" title="curvar-se">curvar-se</a></i> and <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/prostrar-se#Portuguese" title="prostrar-se">prostrar-se</a></i> listed above, as well as others like <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/tornar-se#Portuguese" title="tornar-se">tornar-se</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/desculpar-se#Portuguese" title="desculpar-se">desculpar-se</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/w/index.php?title=vir-se&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="vir-se (page does not exist)">vir-se</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/importar-se#Portuguese" title="importar-se">importar-se</a></i>, etc.) have specific meanings that are quite distinct from those of the corresponding base form, and therefore would benefit from stand-alone entries. In some cases the reflexive form is even the main one (e.g. <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/suicidar-se#Portuguese" title="suicidar-se">suicidar-se</a></i> or <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/w/index.php?title=aperceber-se&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="aperceber-se (page does not exist)">aperceber-se</a></i>). Besides, I agree with the others above in that a any deletion should be accompanied by a consistent approach across all Portuguese reflexive forms, as well as their close equivalents in e.g. Spanish. --<a href="/wiki/User:Waldyrious" title="User:Waldyrious">Waldyrious</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waldyrious" title="User talk:Waldyrious">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Waldyrious-20240202164400-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Waldyrious-20240202164400-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-63" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Waldyrious-20240202164400-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20240517233200-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. More information on my talk page.">more</span>)</small>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20240517233200-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20240517233200-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-64" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20240517233200-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><s><span style="color:gray"><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20240517233200-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z-1"></span>RFD-deleted</b>. Although this does bring into question verbs like <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/dobrar-se#Portuguese" title="dobrar-se">dobrar-se</a></i> that were brought up above.</span></s> <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. 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(no time passed) I agree with previous comments that there should be more discussion around this entry and others like it, and would highly suggest undeleting the entry until there's more consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:AG202" title="User:AG202">AG202</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AG202" title="User talk:AG202">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-AG202-20240522191600-Imetsia-20240517233200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AG202-20240522191600-Imetsia-20240517233200"><span id="ooui-php-66" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AG202-20240522191600-Imetsia-20240517233200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Waldyrious-20240522210600-AG202-20240522191600"></span>Thanks for speaking up, @<a href="/wiki/User:AG202" title="User:AG202">AG202</a>. I agree on all counts. --<a href="/wiki/User:Waldyrious" title="User:Waldyrious">Waldyrious</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waldyrious" title="User talk:Waldyrious">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Waldyrious-20240522210600-AG202-20240522191600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Waldyrious-20240522210600-AG202-20240522191600"><span id="ooui-php-67" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Waldyrious-20240522210600-AG202-20240522191600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20240523002300-Waldyrious-20240522210600"></span>There would have been a 2-1 consensus for deletion even without my vote (counting the nominator), and I don't agree that it's "generally frowned upon" to vote and delete in one fell swoop. This nomination has been pending for two years with minimal discussion, and we cannot allow nominations to stagnate and clutter RFD for such extended periods. I am willing to reopen the discussion and undelete the entry, but only if there is a concrete possibility of generating more meaningful discussion on this nomination. <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. More information on my talk page.">more</span>)</small>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20240523002300-Waldyrious-20240522210600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20240523002300-Waldyrious-20240522210600"><span id="ooui-php-68" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20240523002300-Waldyrious-20240522210600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AG202-20240523005000-Imetsia-20240523002300"></span>Even barring the issue of voting and deleting (I can look for prior comments on the matter later), I wouldn't have closed the discussion with comments like MedK1's & Lambiam's left unresolved. There should be a bigger discussion at somewhere like Beer Parlour before deletion, so yes, I'm requesting that the discussion be reopened and the entry be undeleted. <a href="/wiki/User:AG202" title="User:AG202">AG202</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AG202" title="User talk:AG202">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-AG202-20240523005000-Imetsia-20240523002300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AG202-20240523005000-Imetsia-20240523002300"><span id="ooui-php-69" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AG202-20240523005000-Imetsia-20240523002300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Waldyrious-20240523171200-AG202-20240523005000"></span>Seconded. Even the proponent acknowledged the potential need of a wider discussion to address the topic with the breadth it required. If anything, the RfD could have been closed as no consensus. <a href="/wiki/User:Waldyrious" title="User:Waldyrious">Waldyrious</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Waldyrious" title="User talk:Waldyrious">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Waldyrious-20240523171200-AG202-20240523005000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Waldyrious-20240523171200-AG202-20240523005000"><span id="ooui-php-70" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Waldyrious-20240523171200-AG202-20240523005000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20240523194000-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>RFD-reopened</b>. Hopefully this will generate more discussion around this nomination. Otherwise, we will be back to the same place a few months from now, with the same closing decision hanging in the balance. <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. More information on my talk page.">more</span>)</small>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20240523194000-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20240523194000-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-71" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20240523194000-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polomo47-20240912022700-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span>Delete</b>, along with all the other verbs. Even for verbs that are mainly reflexive, like <a href="/wiki/suicidar-se" title="suicidar-se">suicidar-se</a>, the choice of enclisis isn't any more important than that of proclisis, putting aside how the former makes an unspaced form. <a href="/wiki/User:Polomo47" title="User:Polomo47">Polomo47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polomo47" title="User talk:Polomo47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Polomo47-20240912022700-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polomo47-20240912022700-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"><span id="ooui-php-72" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polomo47-20240912022700-Sarilho1-2022-05-24T19:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="April_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-April_2023-20230406160300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-April_2023-20230406160300"></span>April 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-April_2023-20230406160300"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: April 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Jeanne_d'Arc" data-mw-thread-id="h-Jeanne_d'Arc-April_2023-20230406160300"><span id="Jeanne_d.27Arc"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Jeanne_d'Arc-April_2023-20230406160300"></span><a href="/wiki/Jeanne_d%27Arc#rfd-notice-fr-" title="Jeanne d'Arc">Jeanne d'Arc</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Jeanne_d'Arc-April_2023-20230406160300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Jeanne d'Arc"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sarilho1-20230406160300-Jeanne_d'Arc">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230406160300-Jeanne_d'Arc"></span>French. This is a vote AGAINST deletion. I have added a descendant in the Japanese language which I believe holds relevance and significance. <small class="unsigned">— This <a href="/wiki/Help:Signing_your_posts" class="mw-redirect" title="Help:Signing your posts">unsigned</a> comment was added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:PitterPatter533&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:PitterPatter533 (page does not exist)">PitterPatter533</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PitterPatter533&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:PitterPatter533 (page does not exist)">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PitterPatter533" title="Special:Contributions/PitterPatter533">contribs</a>).</small> </p> <dl><dd><b>Delete</b>. The French (and likely also the Japanese) entry fails <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:NSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:NSE">WT:NSE</a>. It's a similar discussion to the one that decided the deletion of the literal sense of <a href="/wiki/Joan_of_Arc" title="Joan of Arc">Joan of Arc</a>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-20230406160300-Jeanne_d'Arc" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-20230406160300-Jeanne_d'Arc"><span id="ooui-php-73" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-20230406160300-Jeanne_d'Arc"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="-ação,_-acção,_-ização" data-mw-thread-id="h--ação,_-acção,_-ização-April_2023-20230419190400"><span id="-a.C3.A7.C3.A3o.2C_-ac.C3.A7.C3.A3o.2C_-iza.C3.A7.C3.A3o"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--ação,_-acção,_-ização-April_2023-20230419190400"></span><a href="/wiki/-a%C3%A7%C3%A3o#rfd-notice-pt-" title="-ação">-ação</a>, <a href="/wiki/-ac%C3%A7%C3%A3o#rfd-notice-pt-" title="-acção">-acção</a>, <a href="/wiki/-iza%C3%A7%C3%A3o#rfd-notice-pt-" title="-ização">-ização</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h--ação,_-acção,_-ização-April_2023-20230419190400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: -ação, -acção, -ização"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MedK1-20231118032700-AG202-20231117164900">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230419190400--ação,_-acção,_-ização"></span>Portuguese. Supposedly appended to nouns to form nouns indicating an action, the suffixes can simply be decomposed as <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/-ar#Portuguese" title="-ar">-ar</a></i> + <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/-%C3%A7%C3%A3o#Portuguese" title="-ção">-ção</a></i> or <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/-izar#Portuguese" title="-izar">-izar</a></i> + <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/-%C3%A7%C3%A3o#Portuguese" title="-ção">-ção</a></i> (equivalently for the superseded <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/-ac%C3%A7%C3%A3o#Portuguese" title="-acção">-acção</a></i>). They don't have any indicated derived terms. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-20230419190400--ação,_-acção,_-ização" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-20230419190400--ação,_-acção,_-ização"><span id="ooui-php-74" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-20230419190400--ação,_-acção,_-ização"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soap-20230421115200-Sarilho1-20230419190400"></span>Seems like a matter of analysis that we could go both ways on. In at least some cases, the verbal root in <i>-ar</i> must be much rarer than the derived noun in <i>-ação</i>, right? Especially with loans and learned borrowings from Latin. <a href="/wiki/User:Soap" title="User:Soap">—</a><span style="background-color: #a6ffe0; padding: 3px; border-radius: 6px 6px 6px 6px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soap" title="User talk:Soap">Soap</a></b></span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Soap" title="Special:Contributions/Soap">—</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Soap-20230421115200-Sarilho1-20230419190400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 21 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soap-20230421115200-Sarilho1-20230419190400"><span id="ooui-php-75" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soap-20230421115200-Sarilho1-20230419190400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230421181100--ação,_-acção,_-ização"></span>If <a href="/wiki/-a%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="-ação">-ação</a> were an actual Portuguese suffix, then we should see examples of nouns denoting actions that are derived from nouns, but not from the corresponding verb. The only case I can think of is <a href="/wiki/sensa%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="sensação">sensação</a> and that's not even a suffixation occurring in Portuguese but a mere reanalysis of a learned borrowing. In fact, cases where terms cannot be reanalyzed as a noun+<a href="/wiki/-a%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="-ação">-ação</a> are much more common. # Consider the following verbs that entered Portuguese as borrowings:</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ol><li><ol><li>English to <a href="/wiki/standardize" title="standardize">standardize</a> > <a href="/wiki/standardizar" title="standardizar">standardizar</a> > <a href="/wiki/standardiza%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="standardização">standardização</a></li> <li>Latin <a href="/wiki/mutare" title="mutare">mūtāre</a> > <a href="/wiki/mutar" title="mutar">mutar</a> > <a href="/wiki/muta%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="mutação">mutação</a></li> <li>French <a href="/wiki/graver" title="graver">graver</a> > <a href="/wiki/gravar" title="gravar">gravar</a> > <a href="/wiki/grava%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="gravação">gravação</a></li></ol></li> <li>Consider the following verbs that were formed in (Galician-)Portuguese with a prefix and suffix: <ol><li><a href="/wiki/bafo" title="bafo">bafo</a> > <a href="/wiki/abafar" title="abafar">abafar</a> > <a href="/wiki/abafa%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="abafação">abafação</a> (not *bafação)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/plano" title="plano">plano</a> > <a href="/wiki/aplanar" title="aplanar">aplanar</a> > <a href="/wiki/aplana%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="aplanação">aplanação</a> (not *planação)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/cara" title="cara">cara</a> > <a href="/wiki/encarar" title="encarar">encarar</a> > <a href="/w/index.php?title=encara%C3%A7%C3%A3o&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="encaração (page does not exist)">encaração</a> (not *caração)</li></ol></li></ol> <p>We have a large number of examples that prove <a href="/wiki/-%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="-ção">-ção</a> is an active suffix in Portuguese, independent of what would be described as <a href="/wiki/-a%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="-ação">-ação</a> suffixation. However, we have very few cases where we can argue we are in the presence of <a href="/wiki/-a%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="-ação">-ação</a> suffixation that cannot analyzed as <a href="/wiki/-ar" title="-ar">-ar</a>+<a href="/wiki/-%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="-ção">-ção</a> suffixation (furthermore, I can only think of learned borrowings). Finally, I would like to note that <a href="/wiki/-%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="-ção">-ção</a> is often registered in dictionaries and scientific works as a suffix, but <a href="/wiki/-a%C3%A7%C3%A3o" title="-ação">-ação</a> is not (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.aulete.com.br/-%C3%A7%C3%A3o">Aulete</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://dicionario.priberam.org/-%C3%A7%C3%A3o">Priberam</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.infopedia.pt/dicionarios/lingua-portuguesa/-%C3%A7%C3%A3o">Infopédia</a>). - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-20230421181100--ação,_-acção,_-ização" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-20230421181100--ação,_-acção,_-ização"><span id="ooui-php-76" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-20230421181100--ação,_-acção,_-ização"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AG202-20230421183500-Sarilho1-20230421181100"></span>Support <b>deletion</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:AG202" title="User:AG202">AG202</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AG202" title="User talk:AG202">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-AG202-20230421183500-Sarilho1-20230421181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:35, 21 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AG202-20230421183500-Sarilho1-20230421181100"><span id="ooui-php-77" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AG202-20230421183500-Sarilho1-20230421181100"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231117135300-Sarilho1-20230421181100"></span>If the <a href="/wiki/-aci%C3%B3n" title="-ación">corresponding</a> <a href="/wiki/-izaci%C3%B3n" title="-ización">Spanish terms</a> are deleted as well, then support <b>deletion</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231117135300-Sarilho1-20230421181100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231117135300-Sarilho1-20230421181100"><span id="ooui-php-78" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231117135300-Sarilho1-20230421181100"></span> <dl><dd><i class="Latn mention" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/-izaci%C3%B3n#Spanish" title="-ización"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AG202-20231117164900-MedK1-20231117135300"></span>-ización</a></i>, yes, but <i class="Latn mention" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/-aci%C3%B3n#Spanish" title="-ación">-ación</a></i>, no since it's also lemmatized by the RAE with this explanation at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://dle.rae.es/-ci%C3%B3n#9I27Gyi">its entry for -ción</a>: "Los creados en español toman la forma -ación, si el verbo del que derivan es de la primera conjugación. <i>Grabación</i>; -ición, si es de la tercera. <i>Embutición</i>. Si el sustantivo deriva de un verbo de la segunda, toma otro sufijo." Unsure if it's the most convincing, but it makes sense to me at least a bitl. <a href="/wiki/User:AG202" title="User:AG202">AG202</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AG202" title="User talk:AG202">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-AG202-20231117164900-MedK1-20231117135300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AG202-20231117164900-MedK1-20231117135300"><span id="ooui-php-79" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AG202-20231117164900-MedK1-20231117135300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231118032700-AG202-20231117164900"></span>It makes sense sure but it's really not the most convincing imo. It's listing -ación (and -ición!) as alternatives of "-ción" when dealing with first (and third) conjugation forms. They can still be analized as "-ar"+"-ción" or "-ir"+"-ción". Either way, regardless of how other dictionaries do it, "-ação" and "-ación" are perfect cognates and I can't see a reason to treat them any differently. <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231118032700-AG202-20231117164900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231118032700-AG202-20231117164900"><span id="ooui-php-80" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231118032700-AG202-20231117164900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="May_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-May_2023-20230522124000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-May_2023-20230522124000"></span>May 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-May_2023-20230522124000"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: May 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="cartão_do_cidadão" data-mw-thread-id="h-cartão_do_cidadão-May_2023-20230522124000"><span id="cart.C3.A3o_do_cidad.C3.A3o"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-cartão_do_cidadão-May_2023-20230522124000"></span><a href="/wiki/cart%C3%A3o_do_cidad%C3%A3o#rfd-notice-pt-" title="cartão do cidadão">cartão do cidadão</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-cartão_do_cidadão-May_2023-20230522124000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: cartão do cidadão"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MedK1-20231102211000-This,_that_and_the_other-20230522124000">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-This,_that_and_the_other-20230522124000-cartão_do_cidadão"></span>Portuguese. Was requested for speedy deletion as a misspelling of <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/cart%C3%A3o_de_cidad%C3%A3o#Portuguese" title="cartão de cidadão">cartão de cidadão</a></i>, but I find it at a Brazilian government website <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.caixa.gov.br/servicos/cartao-cidadao/Paginas/default.aspx">[7]</a> so I'm bringing it here. <a href="/wiki/User:This,_that_and_the_other" title="User:This, that and the other">This, that and the other</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:This,_that_and_the_other" title="User talk:This, that and the other">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-This,_that_and_the_other-20230522124000-cartão_do_cidadão" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-This,_that_and_the_other-20230522124000-cartão_do_cidadão"><span id="ooui-php-81" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-This,_that_and_the_other-20230522124000-cartão_do_cidadão"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231102211000-This,_that_and_the_other-20230522124000"></span>Keep</b> as an alternative form. Portuguese grammar absolutely allows for constructions like this and <a href="/w/index.php?title=carteira_do_motorista&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="carteira do motorista (page does not exist)">carteira do motorista</a>, though they're not exactly as common as the ones with "de" for these cases. <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231102211000-This,_that_and_the_other-20230522124000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231102211000-This,_that_and_the_other-20230522124000"><span id="ooui-php-82" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive 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class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Sarilho1-20230724180800-Imetsia-20230714193200">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="avere_sete" data-mw-thread-id="h-avere_sete-avere_fame"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-avere_sete-avere_fame"></span><a href="/wiki/avere_sete" title="avere sete">avere sete</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-avere_sete-avere_fame"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: avere sete"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="avere_paura" data-mw-thread-id="h-avere_paura-avere_fame"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-avere_paura-avere_fame"></span><a href="/wiki/avere_paura" title="avere paura">avere paura</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-avere_paura-avere_fame"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: avere paura"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="avere_freddo" data-mw-thread-id="h-avere_freddo-avere_fame-20230714193200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-avere_freddo-avere_fame-20230714193200"></span><a href="/wiki/avere_freddo" title="avere freddo">avere freddo</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-avere_freddo-avere_fame-20230714193200"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: avere freddo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20230714193200-avere_freddo"></span>Italian SOP. Just collocations of verbs with particular nouns, of the type similar to what you find in the English <a href="/wiki/Appendix:Collocations_of_do,_have,_make,_and_take" title="Appendix:Collocations of do, have, make, and take">Appendix:Collocations of do, have, make, and take</a>. Additionally, there is <a href="/wiki/Talk:dare_una_occhiata" title="Talk:dare una occhiata">precedent</a> for deleting entries of this type (see Vox's comment that "English entries with translation tables are the place to advise readers you <i>give</i> a look in Italian, <i>have</i> hunger in French, and so on"). <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20230714193200-avere_freddo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20230714193200-avere_freddo"><span id="ooui-php-83" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20230714193200-avere_freddo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20230714195400-Imetsia-20230714193200"></span>I'm not sure about the Italian, but the French equivalents <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_faim#French" title="avoir faim">avoir faim</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_soif#French" title="avoir soif">avoir soif</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_peur#French" title="avoir peur">avoir peur</a></i> (+ <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_chaud#French" title="avoir chaud">avoir chaud</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_froid#French" title="avoir froid">avoir froid</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_mal#French" title="avoir mal">avoir mal</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_h%C3%A2te#French" title="avoir hâte">avoir hâte</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_sommeil#French" title="avoir sommeil">avoir sommeil</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_envie#French" title="avoir envie">avoir envie</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir_honte#French" title="avoir honte">avoir honte</a></i>) are no longer the mere sum of <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/avoir#French" title="avoir">avoir</a></i> + noun but are clearly lexicalised and perceived as a single unit, as evidenced by the fact that people now say <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr">avoir <b>très</b> faim</i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">to be very hungry</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr">avoir <b>très</b> soif</i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">to be very thirsty</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr">avoir <b>très</b> peur</i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">to be very afraid</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span>, which used to be considered ungrammatical 150 years ago - <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/tr%C3%A8s#French" title="très">très</a></i> cannot be used alongside a substantive outside of these phrases. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20230714195400-Imetsia-20230714193200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 14 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20230714195400-Imetsia-20230714193200"><span id="ooui-php-84" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20230714195400-Imetsia-20230714193200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20230715150300-PUC-20230714195400"></span>The Italian and French expressions are probably similar. <i class="Latn mention" lang="it">avere <b>molta</b> fame</i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">to be very hungry/have a lot of hunger</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span> and <i class="Latn mention" lang="it">avere <b>molta</b> paura</i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">to be very scared/have a lot of fear</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span> are clearly grammatical, but <i class="Latn mention" lang="it"><a href="/wiki/molto#Italian" title="molto">molto</a></i> is used with substantives all the time outside of those phrases. Indeed, here it's inflected for gender, which would not happen if we were to use <i class="Latn mention" lang="it"><a href="/wiki/molto#Italian" title="molto">molto</a></i> as an adverb.</dd> <dd>I'll add also that both the Devoto-Oli and the Zingarelli do not have these as standalone phrases in dictionary entries, but rather as usage examples under <i class="Latn mention" lang="it"><a href="/wiki/avere#Italian" title="avere">avere</a></i>. Zingarelli has sense 4 of <i class="Latn mention" lang="it"><a href="/wiki/avere#Italian" title="avere">avere</a></i> as "to feel," with the examples "avere sonno/freddo/dolore/compassione" (respectively, "to be tired/cold/pained/compassionate"). While the Devoto-Oli has sensed 3 as "to feel feelings, emotions, etc." with examples "avere speranza/fiducia/paura/timore/voglia/piacere" (respectively "to be hopeful/trustful/scared/fearful/wanting/glad"). With a subsense "to perceive a physical sensation;" examples being "avere fame/sete/caldo/freddo/dolore" (respectively "to be hungry/thirsty/hot/cold/pained"). <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20230715150300-PUC-20230714195400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20230715150300-PUC-20230714195400"><span id="ooui-php-85" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20230715150300-PUC-20230714195400"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230724180800-Imetsia-20230714193200"></span>I agree with the approach of moving them to collocations. Similar for <span class="Latn" lang="gl"><a href="/wiki/ter_fame#Galician" title="ter fame">ter fame</a></span>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-20230724180800-Imetsia-20230714193200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-20230724180800-Imetsia-20230714193200"><span id="ooui-php-86" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-20230724180800-Imetsia-20230714193200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="August_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-August_2023-20230812210800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-August_2023-20230812210800"></span>August 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-August_2023-20230812210800"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: August 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="aspirador_de_pó" data-mw-thread-id="h-aspirador_de_pó-August_2023-20230812210800"><span id="aspirador_de_p.C3.B3"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-aspirador_de_pó-August_2023-20230812210800"></span><a href="/wiki/aspirador_de_p%C3%B3#rfd-notice-pt-" title="aspirador de pó">aspirador de pó</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-aspirador_de_pó-August_2023-20230812210800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: aspirador de pó"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-King_of_Hearts-20231102215500-Sarilho1-20230812210800">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230812210800-aspirador_de_pó"></span>Portuguese SOP. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-20230812210800-aspirador_de_pó" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:08, 12 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-20230812210800-aspirador_de_pó"><span id="ooui-php-87" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-20230812210800-aspirador_de_pó"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20230813151400-Sarilho1-20230812210800"></span>Delete</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. More information on my talk page.">more</span>)</small>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20230813151400-Sarilho1-20230812210800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 13 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20230813151400-Sarilho1-20230812210800"><span id="ooui-php-88" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20230813151400-Sarilho1-20230812210800"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fenakhay-20230813152400-Sarilho1-20230812210800"></span>Delete</b> — <span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:Fenakhay" title="User:Fenakhay">Fenakhay</a></span> <sup>(<span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fenakhay" title="User talk:Fenakhay">حيطي</a></span> · <span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fenakhay" title="Special:Contributions/Fenakhay">مساهماتي</a></span>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fenakhay-20230813152400-Sarilho1-20230812210800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fenakhay-20230813152400-Sarilho1-20230812210800"><span id="ooui-php-89" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fenakhay-20230813152400-Sarilho1-20230812210800"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231102212000-Sarilho1-20230812210800"></span>Keep</b>. It's not SOP if you analyze "aspirador" as a clipping of "aspirador de pó". It makes sense when you consider that the term works like any regular term formed with -dor and possesses a few other meanings according to any other dictionary, like Priberam or Infopédia. <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231102212000-Sarilho1-20230812210800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:20, 2 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231102212000-Sarilho1-20230812210800"><span id="ooui-php-90" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231102212000-Sarilho1-20230812210800"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-King_of_Hearts-20231102215500-Sarilho1-20230812210800"></span>Keep</b> Passes the <a href="/wiki/empty_space" title="empty space">empty space</a> test since "de pó" is redundant, and I suspect per MedK1's comment that it may pass the <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:JIFFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:JIFFY">WT:JIFFY</a> test as well, if <a href="/wiki/aspirador" title="aspirador">aspirador</a> was originally coined for exclusive use in the expression <a href="/wiki/aspirador_de_p%C3%B3" title="aspirador de pó">aspirador de pó</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:King_of_Hearts" title="User:King of Hearts"><b style="color:red">King of ♥</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:King_of_Hearts" title="User talk:King of Hearts"><b style="color:red"> ♦</b></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/King_of_Hearts" title="Special:Contributions/King of Hearts"><b style="color:black"> ♣</b></a><a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/King_of_Hearts" title="Special:EmailUser/King of Hearts"><b style="color:black"> ♠</b></a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-King_of_Hearts-20231102215500-Sarilho1-20230812210800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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id="per_quanto_riguarda" data-mw-thread-id="h-per_quanto_riguarda-August_2023-20230818231000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-per_quanto_riguarda-August_2023-20230818231000"></span><a href="/wiki/per_quanto_riguarda#rfd-notice-it-" title="per quanto riguarda">per quanto riguarda</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-per_quanto_riguarda-August_2023-20230818231000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: per quanto riguarda"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-108.18.231.67-20240216144600-Imetsia-20230818231000">9 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="per_quanto_concerne" data-mw-thread-id="h-per_quanto_concerne-per_quanto_riguarda-20230818231000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-per_quanto_concerne-per_quanto_riguarda-20230818231000"></span><a href="/wiki/per_quanto_concerne" title="per quanto concerne">per quanto concerne</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-per_quanto_concerne-per_quanto_riguarda-20230818231000"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: per quanto concerne"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20230818231000-per_quanto_concerne"></span>Italian SOP with <i class="Latn mention" lang="it"><a href="/wiki/per_quanto#Italian" title="per quanto">per quanto</a></i>. Equivalent to English "as far as ... is concerned." <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. More information on my talk page.">more</span>)</small>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20230818231000-per_quanto_concerne" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20230818231000-per_quanto_concerne"><span id="ooui-php-92" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20230818231000-per_quanto_concerne"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.18.231.67-20240216144600-Imetsia-20230818231000"></span>do not delete this phrase. It is used often in spoken Italian. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.18.231.67" title="Special:Contributions/108.18.231.67">108.18.231.67</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-108.18.231.67-20240216144600-Imetsia-20230818231000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.18.231.67-20240216144600-Imetsia-20230818231000"><span id="ooui-php-93" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.18.231.67-20240216144600-Imetsia-20230818231000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="September_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-September_2023-20230904163600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-September_2023-20230904163600"></span>September 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-September_2023-20230904163600"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: September 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="încheietura_mâinii" data-mw-thread-id="h-încheietura_mâinii-September_2023-20230904163600"><span id=".C3.AEncheietura_m.C3.A2inii"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-încheietura_mâinii-September_2023-20230904163600"></span><a href="/wiki/%C3%AEncheietura_m%C3%A2inii#rfd-notice-ro-" title="încheietura mâinii">încheietura mâinii</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-încheietura_mâinii-September_2023-20230904163600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: încheietura mâinii"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MedK1-20231105210500-Biolongvistul-20230904163600">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20230904163600-încheietura_mâinii"></span>I’m torn on this. Here are the facts: <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/%C3%AEncheietura_m%C3%A2inii#Romanian" title="încheietura mâinii">încheietura mâinii</a></i>, literally, ‘joint of the hand’, means ‘wrist’. In a vacuum this would rule out any SOPness (it’s the wrist and not any other joint found in the hand), but the catch is that <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/%C3%AEncheietur%C4%83#Romanian" title="încheietură">încheietură</a></i> itself can and most frequently does by itself mean ‘wrist’ by semantic narrowing. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20230904163600-încheietura_mâinii" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 4 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20230904163600-încheietura_mâinii"><span id="ooui-php-94" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biolongvistul-20230904163600-încheietura_mâinii"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230904164300-Biolongvistul-20230904163600"></span>An option is to delete and add "încheietura mâinii" as a collocation, like it's done in Portuguese palma da mão in <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/palma#Portuguese" title="palma">palma</a></i>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-20230904164300-Biolongvistul-20230904163600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-20230904164300-Biolongvistul-20230904163600"><span id="ooui-php-95" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-20230904164300-Biolongvistul-20230904163600"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231105210500-Biolongvistul-20230904163600"></span>Keep</b> per <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:JIFFY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:JIFFY">WT:JIFFY</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231105210500-Biolongvistul-20230904163600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231105210500-Biolongvistul-20230904163600"><span id="ooui-php-96" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231105210500-Biolongvistul-20230904163600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Bósnia-Herzegóvina" data-mw-thread-id="h-Bósnia-Herzegóvina-September_2023-20230910190400"><span id="B.C3.B3snia-Herzeg.C3.B3vina"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Bósnia-Herzegóvina-September_2023-20230910190400"></span><a href="/wiki/B%C3%B3snia-Herzeg%C3%B3vina#rfd-notice-pt-" title="Bósnia-Herzegóvina">Bósnia-Herzegóvina</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Bósnia-Herzegóvina-September_2023-20230910190400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: Bósnia-Herzegóvina"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MedK1-20231103012100-Sarilho1-20230910190400">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230910190400-Bósnia-Herzegóvina"></span>Portuguese misspelling. Doesn't seem to be common. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Sarilho1-20230910190400-Bósnia-Herzegóvina" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sarilho1-20230910190400-Bósnia-Herzegóvina"><span id="ooui-php-97" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sarilho1-20230910190400-Bósnia-Herzegóvina"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231103012100-Sarilho1-20230910190400"></span>Keep</b>. On what basis do you call it a misspelling? <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://ciberduvidas.iscte-iul.pt/consultorio/perguntas/paises-e-linguas-varias/13829">Ciberdúvidas clearly</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://ciberduvidas.iscte-iul.pt/consultorio/perguntas/os-naturais-da-bosnia/27568">likes it.</a> It's common enough to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/topics/c06gq6kp0djt">show up on BBC,</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://brasil.un.org/pt-br/54911-b%C3%B3snia-herzeg%C3%B3vina-enfrenta-pior-crise-em-anos">in the UN</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://1library.org/article/b%C3%B3snia-herzeg%C3%B3vina-evolu%C3%A7%C3%A3o-pol%C3%ADtica-otan-mudou-guerra-fria.q05kmno9">on random websites...</a> I do concede that this was my first time seeing it, but I don't see any reason to delete it at all. There are plenty of hits on Google. <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231103012100-Sarilho1-20230910190400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231103012100-Sarilho1-20230910190400"><span id="ooui-php-98" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231103012100-Sarilho1-20230910190400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="louco_e_sonhador" data-mw-thread-id="h-louco_e_sonhador-September_2023-20230918154000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-louco_e_sonhador-September_2023-20230918154000"></span><a href="/wiki/louco_e_sonhador#rfd-notice-pt-" title="louco e sonhador">louco e sonhador</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-louco_e_sonhador-September_2023-20230918154000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: louco e sonhador"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ultimateria-20231101045200-Sarilho1-20230918154000">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230918154000-louco_e_sonhador"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Str%C3%AD%C3%B0sdrengur" title="User:Stríðsdrengur">Stríðsdrengur</a>. Portuguese, recently created. To me it just seems a SOP of <span class="Latn" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/louco#Portuguese" title="louco">louco</a></span> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">mad</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span> and <span class="Latn" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/sonhador#Portuguese" title="sonhador">sonhador</a></span> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">dreamer</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span>. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a 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title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20231101045200-Sarilho1-20230918154000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20231101045200-Sarilho1-20230918154000"><span id="ooui-php-100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon 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luz"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ultimateria-20240714135500-PUC-20240713155600">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>8 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sarilho1-20230920133800-na_velocidade_da_luz"></span>Portuguese SOP. - <a href="/wiki/User:Sarilho1" title="User:Sarilho1">Sarilho1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sarilho1" title="User talk:Sarilho1">talk</a>) <a 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Compare <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language" class="extiw" title="w:French language">French</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/%C3%A0_la_vitesse_de_l%27%C3%A9clair#French" title="à la vitesse de l'éclair">à la vitesse de l’éclair</a></i>. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20231120184500-PUC-20230920162300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20231120184500-PUC-20230920162300"><span id="ooui-php-103" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20231120184500-PUC-20230920162300"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><s><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20231101045000-Sarilho1-20230920133800"></span>Delete</b>.</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20231101045000-Sarilho1-20230920133800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:50, 1 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20231101045000-Sarilho1-20230920133800"><span id="ooui-php-104" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20231101045000-Sarilho1-20230920133800"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231102210400-Sarilho1-20230920133800"></span>Keep</b>. I use it to mean 'quickly' or 'fast' all the time. It's just as much of an SOP as "o mais rápido possível" (which gets linked from <a href="/wiki/as_soon_as_possible" title="as soon as possible">as soon as possible</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231102210400-Sarilho1-20230920133800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231102210400-Sarilho1-20230920133800"><span id="ooui-php-105" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231102210400-Sarilho1-20230920133800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20240522193300-MedK1-20231102210400"></span>The figurative sense is already at the noun <a href="/wiki/velocidade_da_luz" title="velocidade da luz">velocidade da luz</a> (as English <a href="/wiki/speed_of_light" title="speed of light">speed of light</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20240522193300-MedK1-20231102210400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20240522193300-MedK1-20231102210400"><span id="ooui-php-106" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20240522193300-MedK1-20231102210400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240713155600-Ultimateria-20240522193300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a>: Is it used outside of this phrase though? <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language" class="extiw" title="w:French language">French</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/vitesse_de_la_lumi%C3%A8re#French" title="vitesse de la lumière">vitesse de la lumière</a></i> doesn't have that sense outside of <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/%C3%A0_la_vitesse_de_la_lumi%C3%A8re#French" title="à la vitesse de la lumière">à la vitesse de la lumière</a></i>, AFAICT. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240713155600-Ultimateria-20240522193300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240713155600-Ultimateria-20240522193300"><span id="ooui-php-107" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240713155600-Ultimateria-20240522193300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20240714135500-PUC-20240713155600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">PUC</a>: I'm not sure. Looking at English examples, I see variations "at the speed of light", "faster than the speed of light", "at nearly the speed of light", and "near the speed of light", all of which could be literal or figurative and convince me that "speed of light" should be the lemma for English at least. I've searched multiple phrases in Portuguese, but I'm turning up mostly literal results. I suspect that e.g. "mais rápido do que a velocidade da luz" can be used figuratively, but I'm not finding cites. I've decided to strike my vote because of this uncertainty. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20240714135500-PUC-20240713155600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20240714135500-PUC-20240713155600"><span id="ooui-php-108" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20240714135500-PUC-20240713155600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="quelle_horreur" data-mw-thread-id="h-quelle_horreur-September_2023-20230923204700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-quelle_horreur-September_2023-20230923204700"></span><a href="/wiki/quelle_horreur#rfd-notice-fr-" title="quelle horreur">quelle horreur</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-quelle_horreur-September_2023-20230923204700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: quelle horreur"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-106.68.153.30-20241026014500-Pppery-20230923204700">29 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20230923204700-quelle_horreur"></span>French SOP. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Pppery-20230923204700-quelle_horreur" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 23 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20230923204700-quelle_horreur"><span id="ooui-php-109" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20230923204700-quelle_horreur"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20230924093600-Pppery-20230923204700"></span>I'm on the fence about this and <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/quelle_surprise#French" title="quelle surprise">quelle surprise</a></i>... These almost feel lexicalised to me. But perhaps various collocations at <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/quel#French" title="quel">quel</a></i> would be enough.</dd> <dd>This seems comparable to <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/what_a_shame#English" title="what a shame">what a shame</a></i> and <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/what_a_pity#English" title="what a pity">what a pity</a></i>, imo; I think these are strictly speaking SOP (compare <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/w/index.php?title=what_a_joy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="what a joy (page does not exist)">what a joy</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/w/index.php?title=what_a_surprise&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="what a surprise (page does not exist)">what a surprise</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/w/index.php?title=what_an_awful_day&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="what an awful day (page does not exist)">what an awful day</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/w/index.php?title=what_a_wonderful_world&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="what a wonderful world (page does not exist)">what a wonderful world</a></i>) and we could content ourselves with a single entry (perhaps <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/w/index.php?title=what_a&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="what a (page does not exist)">what a</a></i>?), but on account of their commonness I don't mind having entries for them. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20230924093600-Pppery-20230923204700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20230924093600-Pppery-20230923204700"><span id="ooui-php-110" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20230924093600-Pppery-20230923204700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-106.68.153.30-20241026014500-Pppery-20230923204700"></span>retain - do not delete - it's a useful expression for writers to provide interest, variety, and nuance to readers. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/106.68.153.30" title="Special:Contributions/106.68.153.30">106.68.153.30</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-106.68.153.30-20241026014500-Pppery-20230923204700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-106.68.153.30-20241026014500-Pppery-20230923204700"><span id="ooui-php-111" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-106.68.153.30-20241026014500-Pppery-20230923204700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="October_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-October_2023-20231004195500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-October_2023-20231004195500"></span>October 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-October_2023-20231004195500"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: October 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="procédé_mnémotechnique" data-mw-thread-id="h-procédé_mnémotechnique-October_2023-20231004195500"><span id="proc.C3.A9d.C3.A9_mn.C3.A9motechnique"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-procédé_mnémotechnique-October_2023-20231004195500"></span><a href="/wiki/proc%C3%A9d%C3%A9_mn%C3%A9motechnique#rfd-notice-fr-" title="procédé mnémotechnique">procédé mnémotechnique</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-procédé_mnémotechnique-October_2023-20231004195500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: procédé mnémotechnique"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Fenakhay-20240609014300-PUC-20231004195500">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20231004195500-procédé_mnémotechnique"></span>French. SOP. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20231004195500-procédé_mnémotechnique" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 4 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20231004195500-procédé_mnémotechnique"><span id="ooui-php-112" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20231004195500-procédé_mnémotechnique"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fenakhay-20240609014300-PUC-20231004195500"></span>Delete</b>. — <span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:Fenakhay" title="User:Fenakhay">Fenakhay</a></span> <sup>(<span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fenakhay" title="User talk:Fenakhay">حيطي</a></span> · <span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fenakhay" title="Special:Contributions/Fenakhay">مساهماتي</a></span>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fenakhay-20240609014300-PUC-20231004195500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fenakhay-20240609014300-PUC-20231004195500"><span id="ooui-php-113" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fenakhay-20240609014300-PUC-20231004195500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="perro_callejero" data-mw-thread-id="h-perro_callejero-October_2023-20231016095300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-perro_callejero-October_2023-20231016095300"></span><a href="/wiki/perro_callejero#rfd-notice-es-" title="perro callejero">perro callejero</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-perro_callejero-October_2023-20231016095300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: perro callejero"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Fenakhay-20240609014400-PUC-20231016095300">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20231016095300-perro_callejero"></span>Spanish. SOP. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20231016095300-perro_callejero" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20231016095300-perro_callejero"><span id="ooui-php-114" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=cane_randagio&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="cane randagio (page does not exist)">cane randagio</a></i>; these are collocations, we don't need entries for them even though we have one for <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/stray_dog#English" title="stray dog">stray dog</a></i> (for the translations mostly). <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20231018223300-PUC-20231016095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:33, 18 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20231018223300-PUC-20231016095300"><span id="ooui-php-115" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement 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<span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fenakhay" title="Special:Contributions/Fenakhay">مساهماتي</a></span>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fenakhay-20240609014400-PUC-20231016095300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fenakhay-20240609014400-PUC-20231016095300"><span id="ooui-php-116" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon 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data-mw-thread-id="h-acabar_de-November_2023-20231101044700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-acabar_de-November_2023-20231101044700"></span><a href="/wiki/acabar_de#rfd-notice-ca-" title="acabar de">acabar de</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-acabar_de-November_2023-20231101044700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: acabar de"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ultimateria-20231101044700-acabar_de">1 year ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20231101044700-acabar_de"></span>Catalan and Spanish. Tagged but not listed by <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">User:MedK1</a> who originally posted in the BP asking why these pages exist when Galician and Portuguese list this sense at <i><a href="/wiki/acabar" title="acabar">acabar</a></i>. Note that we also have <i class="Latn mention" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/acabar_por#Spanish" title="acabar por">acabar por</a></i> and <i class="Latn mention" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/acabar_con#Spanish" title="acabar con">acabar con</a></i> (which is probably more idiomatic... compare the more developed <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language" class="extiw" title="w:Portuguese language">Portuguese</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/acabar_com#Portuguese" title="acabar com">acabar com</a></i>). I'm not sure where the line of idiomaticity lies here. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20231101044700-acabar_de" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20231101044700-acabar_de"><span id="ooui-php-117" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20231101044700-acabar_de"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="December_2023" data-mw-thread-id="h-December_2023-20231205071000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-December_2023-20231205071000"></span>December 2023<span data-mw-comment-end="h-December_2023-20231205071000"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: December 2023"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="oricum_ar_fi" data-mw-thread-id="h-oricum_ar_fi-December_2023-20231205071000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-oricum_ar_fi-December_2023-20231205071000"></span><a href="/wiki/oricum_ar_fi#rfd-notice-ro-" title="oricum ar fi">oricum ar fi</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-oricum_ar_fi-December_2023-20231205071000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: oricum ar fi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ultimateria-20240522192600-Biolongvistul-20231205071000">6 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20231205071000-oricum_ar_fi"></span>Romanian. Not the most common, economical or native-like way to say ‘either way’—one would simply say ‘<i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/oricum#Romanian" title="oricum">oricum</a></i>’—but regardless of this, SOP. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20231205071000-oricum_ar_fi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20231205071000-oricum_ar_fi"><span id="ooui-php-118" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biolongvistul-20231205071000-oricum_ar_fi"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20240522192600-Biolongvistul-20231205071000"></span>Delete</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20240522192600-Biolongvistul-20231205071000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20240522192600-Biolongvistul-20231205071000"><span id="ooui-php-119" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20240522192600-Biolongvistul-20231205071000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="carros_por_puestos" data-mw-thread-id="h-carros_por_puestos-December_2023-20231207001500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-carros_por_puestos-December_2023-20231207001500"></span><a href="/wiki/carros_por_puestos#rfd-notice-es-" title="carros por puestos">carros por puestos</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-carros_por_puestos-December_2023-20231207001500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: carros por puestos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MedK1-20231222140800-RayScript-20231207001500">11 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RayScript-20231207001500-carros_por_puestos"></span>Discussion moved from </i><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/English">Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/English</a></b><i>.</i></dd></dl> <p>Someone marked it "for imminent deletion" so I am making this post here to discuss. I think it can be a useful phrase to add but it is also my first entry so I don't know if/how it should be decided. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RayScript&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RayScript (page does not exist)">RayScript</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:RayScript&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:RayScript (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-RayScript-20231207001500-carros_por_puestos" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RayScript-20231207001500-carros_por_puestos"><span id="ooui-php-120" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RayScript-20231207001500-carros_por_puestos"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231222140800-RayScript-20231207001500"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:RayScript&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:RayScript (page does not exist)">RayScript</a>: <s><b>Keep</b>.</s> I don't see any reason to delete it, at all. Previously, there was a header for the English language too. I thought they just wanted to delete the English sense and then when it <i>did</i> get deleted, people just forgot to remove the template, but I was wrong: the template was at the Spanish section from the very beginning, which actually makes no sense. With my knowledge of Spanish, I couldn't tell you for the life of me what it could mean. It's clearly not SOP: there's no sense at either <span class="Latn" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/carro#Spanish" title="carro">carro</a></span> or <span class="Latn" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/puesto#Spanish" title="puesto">puesto</a></span> meaning "seat".</dd> <dd>While writing the above, I actually came to realize why they might've added the tag. The quotation says "carros por <b>puesto</b>", while the article is called "carros por <b>puestos</b>". Perhaps that's what's wrong with the page? In that case, I'd say <b>move to <span class="Latn" lang="es"><a href="/w/index.php?title=carros_por_puesto&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="carros por puesto (page does not exist)">carros por puesto</a></span></b>. <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231222140800-RayScript-20231207001500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231222140800-RayScript-20231207001500"><span id="ooui-php-121" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231222140800-RayScript-20231207001500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="El_Camino_Real" data-mw-thread-id="h-El_Camino_Real-December_2023-20231214235500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-El_Camino_Real-December_2023-20231214235500"></span><a href="/wiki/El_Camino_Real#rfd-notice-es-" title="El Camino Real">El Camino Real</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-El_Camino_Real-December_2023-20231214235500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: El Camino Real"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-ExcarnateSojourner-20231214235500-El_Camino_Real">11 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ExcarnateSojourner-20231214235500-El_Camino_Real"></span>Spanish. <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:NSE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:NSE">WT:NSE</a> includes individual roads only if they have figurative senses, which we do not have for this road. I'm making a <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English#El_Camino_Real" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/English">separate request for the English term</a> with the same meaning. — <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;"><a href="/wiki/User:ExcarnateSojourner" title="User:ExcarnateSojourner">excarnateSojourner</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ExcarnateSojourner" title="User talk:ExcarnateSojourner">ta</a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ExcarnateSojourner" title="Special:Contributions/ExcarnateSojourner">co</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-ExcarnateSojourner-20231214235500-El_Camino_Real" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ExcarnateSojourner-20231214235500-El_Camino_Real"><span id="ooui-php-122" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ExcarnateSojourner-20231214235500-El_Camino_Real"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers" data-mw-thread-id="h-Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers-December_2023-20231222012300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers-December_2023-20231222012300"></span>Spanish <a href="/wiki/ciento_uno" title="ciento uno">ciento uno</a> and other multi-word higher-than-100 numbers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers-December_2023-20231222012300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: Spanish ciento uno and other multi-word higher-than-100 numbers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MedK1-20231222012300-Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers">11 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MedK1-20231222012300-Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers"></span>They break <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:CFI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:CFI">WT:CFI</a> (see <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2017-05/Numbers,_numerals,_and_ordinals" title="Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2017-05/Numbers, numerals, and ordinals">this formal vote</a>). I gotta bring this up at <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/English">Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/English</a> too for pages like <a href="/w/index.php?title=one_hundred_one&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="one hundred one (page does not exist)">one hundred one</a>... <a href="/wiki/User:MedK1" title="User:MedK1">MedK1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MedK1" title="User talk:MedK1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-MedK1-20231222012300-Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MedK1-20231222012300-Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers"><span id="ooui-php-123" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MedK1-20231222012300-Spanish_ciento_uno_and_other_multi-word_higher-than-100_numbers"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ideia_de_jerico" data-mw-thread-id="h-ideia_de_jerico-December_2023-20231226161900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ideia_de_jerico-December_2023-20231226161900"></span><a href="/wiki/ideia_de_jerico#rfd-notice-pt-" title="ideia de jerico">ideia de jerico</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ideia_de_jerico-December_2023-20231226161900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: ideia de jerico"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Polomo47-20240930202500-PUC-20231226161900">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20231226161900-ideia_de_jerico"></span>Portuguese SOP. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20231226161900-ideia_de_jerico" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20231226161900-ideia_de_jerico"><span id="ooui-php-124" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20231226161900-ideia_de_jerico"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Protegmatic-20240603052900-PUC-20231226161900"></span>Keep</b>. It's a set phrase. <a href="/wiki/User:Protegmatic" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Protegmatic">Protegmatic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Protegmatic" title="User talk:Protegmatic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Protegmatic-20240603052900-PUC-20231226161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Protegmatic-20240603052900-PUC-20231226161900"><span id="ooui-php-125" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Protegmatic-20240603052900-PUC-20231226161900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polomo47-20240930202500-PUC-20231226161900"></span>For context, it's such a set phrase that <i>jerico</i> is found more commonly inside the phrase than outside of it. I don't know what Wiktionary's policies are for this type of scenario. <a href="/wiki/User:Polomo47" title="User:Polomo47">Polomo47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polomo47" title="User talk:Polomo47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Polomo47-20240930202500-PUC-20231226161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polomo47-20240930202500-PUC-20231226161900"><span id="ooui-php-126" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polomo47-20240930202500-PUC-20231226161900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="January_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-January_2024-20240103230500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-January_2024-20240103230500"></span>January 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-January_2024-20240103230500"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: January 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="jì_annànze" data-mw-thread-id="h-jì_annànze-January_2024-20240103230500"><span id="j.C3.AC_ann.C3.A0nze"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-jì_annànze-January_2024-20240103230500"></span><a href="/wiki/j%C3%AC_ann%C3%A0nze#rfd-notice-nap-" title="jì annànze">jì annànze</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-jì_annànze-January_2024-20240103230500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: jì annànze"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Nicodene-20240610193400-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500-jì_annànze"></span>Neapolitan. Tagged by <a href="/wiki/User:Nicodene" title="User:Nicodene">Nicodene</a> (“SOP?”) but not listed. <a href="/wiki/User:This,_that_and_the_other" title="User:This, that and the other">This, that and the other</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:This,_that_and_the_other" title="User talk:This, that and the other">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500-jì_annànze" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500-jì_annànze"><span id="ooui-php-127" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500-jì_annànze"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nicodene-20240610193400-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500"></span>Almost certainly SOP, yes. <i>Delete</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Nicodene" title="User:Nicodene">Nicodene</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nicodene" title="User talk:Nicodene">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Nicodene-20240610193400-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nicodene-20240610193400-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500"><span id="ooui-php-128" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nicodene-20240610193400-This,_that_and_the_other-20240103230500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ca_de_obicei" data-mw-thread-id="h-ca_de_obicei-January_2024-20240128100000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ca_de_obicei-January_2024-20240128100000"></span><a href="/wiki/ca_de_obicei#rfd-notice-ro-" title="ca de obicei">ca de obicei</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ca_de_obicei-January_2024-20240128100000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: ca de obicei"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Biolongvistul-20240204141700-PUC-20240204110500">9 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20240128100000-ca_de_obicei"></span>Romanian. SOP addition motivated by existence of English entry <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/as_usual#English" title="as usual">as usual</a></i>. However, while the English phrase is entryworthy, as its form could not be obtained backwards from its meaning, the Romanian one is nothing but the sum of <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/ca#Romanian" title="ca">ca</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">like, as</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span> and the actually idiomatic <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/de_obicei#Romanian" title="de obicei">de obicei</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">usually</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span>. </p><p>The same scrutiny is needed for the Romance parallels (Catalan <i class="Latn mention" lang="ca"><a href="/wiki/com_de_costum#Catalan" title="com de costum">com de costum</a></i>, Italian <i class="Latn mention" lang="it"><a href="/wiki/come_al_solito#Italian" class="mw-redirect" title="come al solito">come al solito</a></i>, Portuguese <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/como_de_costume#Portuguese" title="como de costume">como de costume</a></i>, Spanish <i class="Latn mention" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/como_de_costumbre#Spanish" title="como de costumbre">como de costumbre</a></i>). ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20240128100000-ca_de_obicei" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20240128100000-ca_de_obicei"><span id="ooui-php-129" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biolongvistul-20240128100000-ca_de_obicei"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240204110500-Biolongvistul-20240128100000"></span>Agree: <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language" class="extiw" title="w:French language">French</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/comme_de_coutume#French" class="mw-redirect" title="comme de coutume">comme de coutume</a></i> is already a mere redirect to <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/de_coutume#French" title="de coutume">de coutume</a></i>; it's been suggested by @<a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> to move <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_language" class="extiw" title="w:Italian language">Italian</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="it"><a href="/wiki/come_al_solito#Italian" class="mw-redirect" title="come al solito">come al solito</a></i> to <i class="Latn mention" lang="it"><a href="/wiki/al_solito#Italian" title="al solito">al solito</a></i>; <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language" class="extiw" title="w:Spanish language">Spanish</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/como_de_costumbre#Spanish" title="como de costumbre">como de costumbre</a></i> exists alongside <i class="Latn mention" lang="es"><a href="/wiki/de_costumbre#Spanish" title="de costumbre">de costumbre</a></i>; <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language" class="extiw" title="w:Catalan language">Catalan</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="ca"><a href="/wiki/com_de_costum#Catalan" title="com de costum">com de costum</a></i> can be redirected to <i class="Latn mention" lang="ca"><a href="/w/index.php?title=de_costum&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="de costum (page does not exist)">de costum</a></i> per <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.softcatala.org/diccionari-de-sinonims/paraula/de%20costum/">[8]</a>. That leaves us with <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language" class="extiw" title="w:Portuguese language">Portuguese</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/como_de_costume#Portuguese" title="como de costume">como de costume</a></i> (<i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/w/index.php?title=de_costume&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="de costume (page does not exist)">de costume</a></i>?). So: <b>redirect all</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240204110500-Biolongvistul-20240128100000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240204110500-Biolongvistul-20240128100000"><span id="ooui-php-130" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240204110500-Biolongvistul-20240128100000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20240204141700-PUC-20240204110500"></span>Redirecting is an interesting solution. It would help discoverability and, contrary to my expectations, is <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:REDIR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:REDIR">dogmatically correct</a>. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20240204141700-PUC-20240204110500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20240204141700-PUC-20240204110500"><span id="ooui-php-131" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biolongvistul-20240204141700-PUC-20240204110500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="March_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-March_2024-20240308192700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-March_2024-20240308192700"></span>March 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-March_2024-20240308192700"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: March 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="pluja_radiactiva" data-mw-thread-id="h-pluja_radiactiva-March_2024-20240308192700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-pluja_radiactiva-March_2024-20240308192700"></span><a href="/wiki/pluja_radiactiva#rfd-notice-ca-" title="pluja radiactiva">pluja radiactiva</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-pluja_radiactiva-March_2024-20240308192700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: pluja radiactiva"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Theknightwho-20240308192700-pluja_radiactiva">8 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theknightwho-20240308192700-pluja_radiactiva"></span>Catalan. Notice added but never listed by @<a href="/wiki/User:Linguoboy" title="User:Linguoboy">Linguoboy</a>. I assume it's a misspelling of <i class="Latn mention" lang="ca"><a href="/wiki/pluja_radioactiva#Catalan" title="pluja radioactiva">pluja radioactiva</a></i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Theknightwho" title="User:Theknightwho">Theknightwho</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theknightwho" title="User talk:Theknightwho">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Theknightwho-20240308192700-pluja_radiactiva" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theknightwho-20240308192700-pluja_radiactiva"><span id="ooui-php-132" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theknightwho-20240308192700-pluja_radiactiva"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="tinnitus" data-mw-thread-id="h-tinnitus-March_2024-20240324181500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-tinnitus-March_2024-20240324181500"></span><a href="/wiki/tinnitus" title="tinnitus">tinnitus</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-tinnitus-March_2024-20240324181500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: tinnitus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Urszag-20240324183300-J3133-20240324181500">7 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-J3133-20240324181500-tinnitus"></span>Latin. The participle “1. <a href="/wiki/rung" title="rung">rung</a>, <a href="/wiki/jingled" title="jingled">jingled</a>, having been jingled. 2. <a href="/wiki/cried" title="cried">cried</a>, <a href="/wiki/screamed" title="screamed">screamed</a>, having been screamed in a <a href="/wiki/shrill" title="shrill">shrill</a> voice.” was <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/78034301" title="Special:Diff/78034301">removed</a> by @<a href="/wiki/User:Imbricitor" title="User:Imbricitor">Imbricitor</a> on 9 February. I was told on the <a href="/wiki/Talk:tinnitus#Latin_participle" title="Talk:tinnitus">talk page</a> that the participle forms <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/tinniti#Latin" title="tinniti">tinnītī</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/tinnitae#Latin" title="tinnitae">tinnītae</a></i>, etc. should also be removed, but made this section here as we usually discuss deletions. <a href="/wiki/User:J3133" title="User:J3133">J3133</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:J3133" title="User talk:J3133">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-J3133-20240324181500-tinnitus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-J3133-20240324181500-tinnitus"><span id="ooui-php-133" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-J3133-20240324181500-tinnitus"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Urszag-20240324183300-J3133-20240324181500"></span>Maybe an RFV would be a good idea. Lewis and Short says the verb is used both intransitive and transitively, so a passive participle seems like it should theoretically be possible. I could find no examples in the PHI classical corpus or the Corpus Corporum, but Google Books might have something (e.g. I see "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://books.google.com/books?id=CqOXhDCWY48C&pg=PA167&dq=%22tinnitam%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjWvNSew42FAxVTNjQIHQRNC4o4HhDoAXoECAwQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false">tinnivit & tinnitam percepit rem</a>" here).--<a href="/wiki/User:Urszag" title="User:Urszag">Urszag</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Urszag" title="User talk:Urszag">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Urszag-20240324183300-J3133-20240324181500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Urszag-20240324183300-J3133-20240324181500"><span id="ooui-php-134" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Urszag-20240324183300-J3133-20240324181500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="April_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-April_2024-20231120195000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-April_2024-20231120195000"></span>April 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-April_2024-20231120195000"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=53" title="Edit section: April 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="gerundivus" data-mw-thread-id="h-gerundivus-April_2024-20240516183000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-gerundivus-April_2024-20240516183000"></span><a href="/wiki/gerundivus#rfd-notice-la-" title="gerundivus">gerundivus</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-gerundivus-April_2024-20240516183000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: gerundivus"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Tim_Utikal-20240516183000-gerundivus">6 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_Utikal-20240516183000-gerundivus"></span>The word is neuter and the adjective doesn't seem to have ever existed. If not consider this request as RFC. I will edit <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/gerundivum#Latin" title="gerundivum">gerundivum</a></i> accordingly. <a href="/wiki/User:Tim_Utikal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tim Utikal">Tim Utikal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_Utikal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tim Utikal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Tim_Utikal-20240516183000-gerundivus" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_Utikal-20240516183000-gerundivus"><span id="ooui-php-135" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: grande dame"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Nicodene-20240604220000-Olybrius-20240531122500">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>22 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>7 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20231120195000-grande_dame"></span>French SOP, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/grand#French" title="grand">grand</a></i> has that sense ("great") in plenty other collocations: compare <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=grand_homme&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="grand homme (page does not exist)">grand homme</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=grand_%C3%A9crivain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="grand écrivain (page does not exist)">grand écrivain</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=grand_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="grand général (page does not exist)">grand général</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=grand_compositeur&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="grand compositeur (page does not exist)">grand compositeur</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=grand_scientifique&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="grand scientifique (page does not exist)">grand scientifique</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=grand_peintre&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="grand peintre (page does not exist)">grand peintre</a></i>, etc. I have no idea why the French Wiktionary has entries for <a href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/grand_homme" class="extiw" title="fr:grand homme">fr:grand homme</a>, <a href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/grande_dame" class="extiw" title="fr:grande dame">fr:grande dame</a> and <a href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/grand_monsieur" class="extiw" title="fr:grand monsieur">fr:grand monsieur</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20231120195000-grande_dame" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20231120195000-grande_dame"><span id="ooui-php-136" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20231120195000-grande_dame"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soap-20231126063100-PUC-20231120195000"></span>Keep</b>. As I see it, the primary meaning of <i>grand(e)</i> in French is large size, not renown. When a two-word phrase relies on a secondary meaning of one of its content words, it is the very definition of idiomatic. Put another way, as I so often do .... how would a reader know that <i>grande dame</i> means "great woman" and not "large woman" as one would ordinarily expect? <a href="/wiki/User:Soap" title="User:Soap">—</a><span style="background-color: #a6ffe0; padding: 3px; border-radius: 6px 6px 6px 6px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soap" title="User talk:Soap">Soap</a></b></span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Soap" title="Special:Contributions/Soap">—</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Soap-20231126063100-PUC-20231120195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soap-20231126063100-PUC-20231120195000"><span id="ooui-php-137" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soap-20231126063100-PUC-20231120195000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soap-20231126065600-Soap-20231126063100"></span>Just to expand on this, since I bring up nearly the same argument over and over, I'm quoting <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:SOP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:SOP">WT:SOP</a> here: <dl><dd><i>An expression is idiomatic if its full meaning cannot be <b>easily</b> derived from the meaning of its separate components. Non-idiomatic expressions are called sum-of-parts (SOP).</i></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Emphasis mine. If a word cannot be <i>easily</i> derived from the meaning of its separate components, it's not sum of parts. If the meaning is plain only to a native speaker or someone with full knowledge of the context in which it comes up, that means nothing, because such people would not be looking up the phrase in question in the first place. You list six phrases which use a similar construction, but someone who doesnt know <i>grande dame</i> likely wont be familiar with the other six phrases either. As for why the French wiktionary lists them, I dont know. Perhaps their policy is more permissive than ours, or perhaps it's similar but they do a better job of writing for young people and second-language learners than we do. <a href="/wiki/User:Soap" title="User:Soap">—</a><span style="background-color: #a6ffe0; padding: 3px; border-radius: 6px 6px 6px 6px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soap" title="User talk:Soap">Soap</a></b></span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Soap" title="Special:Contributions/Soap">—</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Soap-20231126065600-Soap-20231126063100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soap-20231126065600-Soap-20231126063100"><span id="ooui-php-138" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soap-20231126065600-Soap-20231126063100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20231209100600-Soap-20231126065600"></span>Your ideas about SOPness and idiomaticity would have us create all the combinations I've mentioned and many more, which is just plain stupid. Don't bother replying, I'm not interested in reading any more of your nonsense. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20231209100600-Soap-20231126065600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20231209100600-Soap-20231126065600"><span id="ooui-php-139" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20231209100600-Soap-20231126065600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soap-20231226162600-PUC-20231209100600"></span>The purpose of RFD is to leave it up to the wider community to decide. If you don't want to talk to me about this, or for that matter anywhere at all on this website, that's fine with me, but you have no standing to tell me to stop talking in a group discussion. You clearly can't read minds, and you have no place telling me what my opinions are either. So, to the others present, I repeat my question from up above. If we delete this: <dl><dd><dl><dd>How would a reader know that <i>grande dame</i> means "great woman" and not "large woman" as one would ordinarily expect?</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Soap" title="User:Soap">—</a><span style="background-color: #a6ffe0; padding: 3px; border-radius: 6px 6px 6px 6px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soap" title="User talk:Soap">Soap</a></b></span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Soap" title="Special:Contributions/Soap">—</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Soap-20231226162600-PUC-20231209100600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soap-20231226162600-PUC-20231209100600"><span id="ooui-php-140" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soap-20231226162600-PUC-20231209100600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_Utikal-20240518193400-PUC-20231120195000"></span>I'd add that <b>grande dame</b> is idiomatic as <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/grand%27m%C3%A8re#French" title="grand'mère">grand’mère</a></i> can be. We can also compare it to the adjective's use as a title-part in the <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/Ancien_R%C3%A9gime#French" title="Ancien Régime">Ancien Régime</a></i> (Grand Condé, Grand Électeur, etc...). <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/grand#French" title="grand">Grand</a></i> has thus a strong derivative meaning which I think grants compound-words based on it the idiom pass. <a href="/wiki/User:Tim_Utikal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tim Utikal">Tim Utikal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_Utikal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tim Utikal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Tim_Utikal-20240518193400-PUC-20231120195000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_Utikal-20240518193400-PUC-20231120195000"><span id="ooui-php-141" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_Utikal-20240518193400-PUC-20231120195000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240521165900-Tim_Utikal-20240518193400"></span>I don't see how any of this is relevant? <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/grande_dame#French" title="grande dame">grande dame</a></i> is neither a compound (so it's not comparable to <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/grand-m%C3%A8re#French" title="grand-mère">grand-mère</a></i>) nor a title (so it's not comparable to <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Grand_Cond%C3%A9&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Grand Condé (page does not exist)">Grand Condé</a></i>). <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240521165900-Tim_Utikal-20240518193400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240521165900-Tim_Utikal-20240518193400"><span id="ooui-php-142" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240521165900-Tim_Utikal-20240518193400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tim_Utikal-20240531164100-PUC-20240521165900"></span>If not honorific it is still a title of some sort, how would you ever describe it otherwise? "les grands hommes et grandes femmes de notre siècle" or some other generic sentence of the same taste likewise shows it being a title quite plainly: "An appellation given to a person or family to signify either veneration, official position, social rank, the possession of assets or properties, or a professional or academic qualification". So called SOP because not unique/relevant enough. <a href="/wiki/User:Tim_Utikal" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tim Utikal">Tim Utikal</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tim_Utikal" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Tim Utikal">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Tim_Utikal-20240531164100-PUC-20240521165900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tim_Utikal-20240531164100-PUC-20240521165900"><span id="ooui-php-143" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tim_Utikal-20240531164100-PUC-20240521165900"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240601111900-Tim_Utikal-20240531164100"></span>grande dame</i> is a positive descriptor/qualifier, a eulogistic term, but it is not a title, because being called one is entirely dependent on the judgment of the speaker. There's nothing official about it, there's no special status out there that exists regardless of the opinion of the speaker. It's exactly the same with <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=grand_%C3%A9crivain&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="grand écrivain (page does not exist)">grand écrivain</a></i> ("les grands écrivains de notre siècle") or <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=grand_acteur&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="grand acteur (page does not exist)">grand acteur</a></i> ("les grands acteurs du XXIe siècle"): I can call someone a <i>grand écrivain</i>, but that's just a value judgment. That person would not go around presenting themselves as a "grand écrivain" as if it was some sort of official title comparable to that of "doctor". <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240601111900-Tim_Utikal-20240531164100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240601111900-Tim_Utikal-20240531164100"><span id="ooui-php-144" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240601111900-Tim_Utikal-20240531164100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><s><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240425165400-grande_dame"></span>Deleted</b> as obvious SOP. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240425165400-grande_dame" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)</a></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240425165400-grande_dame"><span id="ooui-php-145" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240425165400-grande_dame"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Soap-20240425170500-PUC-20240425165400"></span>There was nobody voting here but you and me. That's not a consensus by any means. <a href="/wiki/User:Soap" title="User:Soap">—</a><span style="background-color: #a6ffe0; padding: 3px; border-radius: 6px 6px 6px 6px;"><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Soap" title="User talk:Soap">Soap</a></b></span><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Soap" title="Special:Contributions/Soap">—</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Soap-20240425170500-PUC-20240425165400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Soap-20240425170500-PUC-20240425165400"><span id="ooui-php-146" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Soap-20240425170500-PUC-20240425165400"></span></dd></dl> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240518163100-grande_dame"></span>RFD reopened</b>. See also <a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC#RFD" title="User talk:PUC">User talk:PUC § RFD</a> <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240518163100-grande_dame" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240518163100-grande_dame"><span id="ooui-php-147" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240518163100-grande_dame"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20240519170200-PUC-20240518163100"></span>Delete</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. More information on my talk page.">more</span>)</small>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20240519170200-PUC-20240518163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20240519170200-PUC-20240518163100"><span id="ooui-php-148" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20240519170200-PUC-20240518163100"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mnemosientje-20240519174100-PUC-20240518163100"></span>Delete</b>, clear-cut SOP. — <a href="/wiki/User:Mnemosientje" title="User:Mnemosientje">Mnemosientje</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mnemosientje" title="User talk:Mnemosientje">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje" title="Special:Contributions/Mnemosientje">c</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Mnemosientje-20240519174100-PUC-20240518163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mnemosientje-20240519174100-PUC-20240518163100"><span id="ooui-php-149" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mnemosientje-20240519174100-PUC-20240518163100"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olybrius-20240519175400-PUC-20240518163100"></span>Keep</b>. Seems idiomatic to me, mainly because it is <i>dame</i> instead of <i>femme</i> which is rather unusual (<i>grande femme</i> doesn't seem to be used). In the same spirit I would even create <i>grand monsieur</i> (also a somewhat unusual coinage) but not <i>grand homme</i>. - --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Olybrius&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Olybrius (page does not exist)">Olybrius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olybrius" title="User talk:Olybrius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Olybrius-20240519175400-PUC-20240518163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olybrius-20240519175400-PUC-20240518163100"><span id="ooui-php-150" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olybrius-20240519175400-PUC-20240518163100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olybrius-20240519180200-Olybrius-20240519175400"></span>Actually, maybe even <i>grand homme</i> is idiomatic precisely because one doesn't say <i>grande femme</i>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Olybrius&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Olybrius (page does not exist)">Olybrius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olybrius" title="User talk:Olybrius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Olybrius-20240519180200-Olybrius-20240519175400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olybrius-20240519180200-Olybrius-20240519175400"><span id="ooui-php-151" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olybrius-20240519180200-Olybrius-20240519175400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240521183300-Olybrius-20240519180200"></span>You might be onto something with the <i>dame</i> - <i>femme</i> thing, but I don't think it's specific to <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/grand#French" title="grand">grand</a></i>, though: compare <i>brave homme</i> ~ <i>brave dame</i> ("brave femme" sounds weird).</dd> <dd>Unrelatedly, should we have an entry for <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/w/index.php?title=ma_petite_dame&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="ma petite dame (page does not exist)">ma petite dame</a></i> <span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">(</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">“</span><span class="mention-gloss">my good woman</span><span class="mention-gloss-double-quote">”</span><span class="mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren">)</span> as a term of address? <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240521183300-Olybrius-20240519180200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240521183300-Olybrius-20240519180200"><span id="ooui-php-152" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240521183300-Olybrius-20240519180200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olybrius-20240525114900-PUC-20240521183300"></span>As <i>brave femme</i> didn't seem so unusual to me, I looked it up on Ngram Viewer and it is actually more frequent than <i>brave dame</i>! I am not familiar with Ngram Viewer, so I am not sure if I used it correctly or how meaningful the result is but well at least it is a funny tool! I also tried <i>petite dame</i>, <i>petit monsieur</i> and <i>petit bonhomme</i> (this last one being used with children) and the winner, by far, is <i>petit bonhomme</i>, yay! (I like this expression). I am not sure an entry is required for them but as they are very common phrases, they should definitely be mentioned somewhere. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Olybrius&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Olybrius (page does not exist)">Olybrius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olybrius" title="User talk:Olybrius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Olybrius-20240525114900-PUC-20240521183300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olybrius-20240525114900-PUC-20240521183300"><span id="ooui-php-153" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olybrius-20240525114900-PUC-20240521183300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nicodene-20240525135500-PUC-20240518163100"></span>Delete</b> as SOP.</dd> <dd>‘Great’ is a perfectly ordinary sense for <i>grand</i>. Nobody would accept entries like “cool song” and “cool evening” on the grounds that “cool” has more than one meaning.</dd> <dd>The <i>dame</i> part doesn’t change anything unless the overall combination has some sense that isn’t covered by “great” + “woman/lady”. <a href="/wiki/User:Nicodene" title="User:Nicodene">Nicodene</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nicodene" title="User talk:Nicodene">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Nicodene-20240525135500-PUC-20240518163100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nicodene-20240525135500-PUC-20240518163100"><span id="ooui-php-154" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nicodene-20240525135500-PUC-20240518163100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Olybrius-20240531122500-Nicodene-20240525135500"></span>I fear I will never really understand what a SOP is. In fact I am not even sure if there is an actual boundary between words and <a href="/wiki/non-word" title="non-word">nonwords</a>. Isn't, say, <a href="/wiki/folk_medicine" title="folk medicine">folk medicine</a>, medicine that is folk? Or <a href="/wiki/rain_water" title="rain water">rain water</a>, water from the rain? I suppose this type of discussion is bound to resurface endlessly and I am sorry to contribute to this endlessness but to me a <i>vieille dame</i> and a <i>grande dame</i> are not the same thing, <i>grande dame</i> being a sort of unofficial honorific title that is not entirely set but still somewhat idiomatic. Otherwise, wouldn't it be rather strange that a term that doesn't exist would have a descendant in another language? Or was it merely the coinage of some <i>indécrottable</i> (and prominent) francophile? Are there other instances of this? Please note also that the TLFi mentions it at <i>dame</i> (along with <i>belle dame</i> and <i>vraie dame</i>). Although it doesn't bother to define these phrases, that is already a hint that they are considered somewhat idiomatic (trust the pros!). I also think that when there is a page for a suspected foreign SOP in the corresponding native wiktionary, it should be taken into consideration as well (trust the locals!) instead of being dismissed summarily (at least with the most active wiktionaries where the number of contributors is not too scarce). Somehow I can't help considering <i>sopness</i> as a convenient way to expedite things when one doesn't want to bother. I am also wondering if it wouldn't be applied more frequently to foreign languages while English, being the native language here and consequently more familiar to a majority of contributors, would more often be spared these procedures. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Olybrius&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Olybrius (page does not exist)">Olybrius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olybrius" title="User talk:Olybrius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Olybrius-20240531122500-Nicodene-20240525135500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Olybrius-20240531122500-Nicodene-20240525135500"><span id="ooui-php-155" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Olybrius-20240531122500-Nicodene-20240525135500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240601111900-Olybrius-20240531122500"></span>fr.wiktionary should be taken with a big fat grain of salt. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240601111900-Olybrius-20240531122500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240601111900-Olybrius-20240531122500"><span id="ooui-php-156" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator 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talk:Nicodene">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Nicodene-20240604220000-Olybrius-20240531122500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nicodene-20240604220000-Olybrius-20240531122500"><span id="ooui-php-157" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span 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data-mw-comment-end="h-floare_de_măr,_floare_de_cireș,_floare_de_portocal-April_2024-20240531210600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: floare de măr, floare de cireș, floare de portocal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Biolongvistul-20240531210600-floare_de_măr,_floare_de_cireș,_floare_de_portocal">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20240531210600-floare_de_măr,_floare_de_cireș,_floare_de_portocal"></span>Otiose SOP’s conditioned by the equally meritless English equivalents <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/apple_blossom#English" title="apple blossom">apple blossom</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/apricot_blossom#English" title="apricot blossom">apricot blossom</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/plum_blossom#English" title="plum blossom">plum blossom</a></i>. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20240531210600-floare_de_măr,_floare_de_cireș,_floare_de_portocal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20240531210600-floare_de_măr,_floare_de_cireș,_floare_de_portocal"><span id="ooui-php-158" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Lambiam-20240604111900-Protegmatic-20240603045300">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Protegmatic-20240603045300-shok_samachar"></span>Mauritian Creole. SOP? literally "mourning news". <a href="/wiki/User:Protegmatic" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Protegmatic">Protegmatic</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Protegmatic" title="User talk:Protegmatic">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Protegmatic-20240603045300-shok_samachar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Protegmatic-20240603045300-shok_samachar"><span id="ooui-php-159" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Protegmatic-20240603045300-shok_samachar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lambiam-20240604111900-Protegmatic-20240603045300"></span>In Hindi newspapers the Hindi etymon seems to be the title of "Deaths" sections. A better definition might be "sad news". --<a href="/wiki/User:Lambiam" title="User:Lambiam">Lambiam</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Lambiam-20240604111900-Protegmatic-20240603045300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lambiam-20240604111900-Protegmatic-20240603045300"><span id="ooui-php-160" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lambiam-20240604111900-Protegmatic-20240603045300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="paco" data-mw-thread-id="h-paco-April_2024-20240614055300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-paco-April_2024-20240614055300"></span><a href="/wiki/paco" title="paco">paco</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-paco-April_2024-20240614055300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: paco"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-CitationsFreak-20240614055300-paco">5 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CitationsFreak-20240614055300-paco"></span>Spanish, etym 5, sense "a cheap drug...". From my understanding of it, this <i>is</i> cocaine paste, and typical "paco" would have this stuff in it, in varying amounts. </p><p>(Also, is "paco" found in Spain? It's always mentioned in connection with Argentina and its neighbors, as far as I know.) <a href="/wiki/User:CitationsFreak" title="User:CitationsFreak">CitationsFreak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CitationsFreak" title="User talk:CitationsFreak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-CitationsFreak-20240614055300-paco" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CitationsFreak-20240614055300-paco"><span id="ooui-php-161" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CitationsFreak-20240614055300-paco"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="patinete_eléctrico,_patinete_elétrico" data-mw-thread-id="h-patinete_eléctrico,_patinete_elétrico-April_2024-20240622173400"><span id="patinete_el.C3.A9ctrico.2C_patinete_el.C3.A9trico"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-patinete_eléctrico,_patinete_elétrico-April_2024-20240622173400"></span><a href="/wiki/patinete_el%C3%A9ctrico#rfd-notice-es-" title="patinete eléctrico">patinete eléctrico</a>, <a href="/wiki/patinete_el%C3%A9trico#rfd-notice-pt-" title="patinete elétrico">patinete elétrico</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-patinete_eléctrico,_patinete_elétrico-April_2024-20240622173400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: patinete eléctrico, patinete elétrico"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Polomo47-20240930201300-Biolongvistul-20240622173400">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20240622173400-patinete_eléctrico,_patinete_elétrico"></span>Galician, Portuguese, Spanish SOP’s. The common case of facile translation box link bluening. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20240622173400-patinete_eléctrico,_patinete_elétrico" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20240622173400-patinete_eléctrico,_patinete_elétrico"><span id="ooui-php-162" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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title="inzuppare il biscotto">inzuppare il biscotto</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-inzuppare_il_biscotto-April_2024-20240711131300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: inzuppare il biscotto"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20240713155400-Imetsia-20240711131300">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20240711131300-inzuppare_il_biscotto"></span>Italian. This is just a euphemism, but I don't think it's lexical. <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. More information on my talk page.">more</span>)</small>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20240711131300-inzuppare_il_biscotto" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20240711131300-inzuppare_il_biscotto"><span id="ooui-php-165" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20240711131300-inzuppare_il_biscotto"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240713155400-Imetsia-20240711131300"></span>I don't speak Italian so I can't judge, but <span class="etyl"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language" class="extiw" title="w:French language">French</a></span> <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/tremper_le_biscuit#French" title="tremper le biscuit">tremper le biscuit</a></i> is lexicalised. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240713155400-Imetsia-20240711131300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240713155400-Imetsia-20240711131300"><span id="ooui-php-166" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240713155400-Imetsia-20240711131300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="declarar_guerra" data-mw-thread-id="h-declarar_guerra-April_2024-20240713142100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-declarar_guerra-April_2024-20240713142100"></span><a href="/wiki/declarar_guerra#rfd-notice-pt-" title="declarar guerra">declarar guerra</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-declarar_guerra-April_2024-20240713142100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: declarar guerra"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Polomo47-20240930201300-PUC-20240713142100">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_guerra"></span>Portuguese. A set phrase, but SOP. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_guerra" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_guerra"><span id="ooui-php-167" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_guerra"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polomo47-20240930201300-PUC-20240713142100"></span>Delete</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Polomo47" title="User:Polomo47">Polomo47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polomo47" title="User talk:Polomo47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Polomo47-20240930201300-PUC-20240713142100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polomo47-20240930201300-PUC-20240713142100"><span id="ooui-php-168" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polomo47-20240930201300-PUC-20240713142100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="declarar_la_guerra" data-mw-thread-id="h-declarar_la_guerra-April_2024-20240713142100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-declarar_la_guerra-April_2024-20240713142100"></span><a href="/wiki/declarar_la_guerra#rfd-notice-es-" title="declarar la guerra">declarar la guerra</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-declarar_la_guerra-April_2024-20240713142100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: declarar la guerra"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_la_guerra">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_la_guerra"></span>Spanish. A set phrase, but SOP. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_la_guerra" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_la_guerra"><span id="ooui-php-169" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240713142100-declarar_la_guerra"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="dêcliather_la_dgèrre" data-mw-thread-id="h-dêcliather_la_dgèrre-April_2024-20240713142100"><span id="d.C3.AAcliather_la_dg.C3.A8rre"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-dêcliather_la_dgèrre-April_2024-20240713142100"></span><a href="/wiki/d%C3%AAcliather_la_dg%C3%A8rre#rfd-notice-nrf-" title="dêcliather la dgèrre">dêcliather la dgèrre</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-dêcliather_la_dgèrre-April_2024-20240713142100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: dêcliather la dgèrre"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20240713142100-dêcliather_la_dgèrre">4 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20240713142100-dêcliather_la_dgèrre"></span>Norman. A set phrase, but SOP. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20240713142100-dêcliather_la_dgèrre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20240713142100-dêcliather_la_dgèrre"><span id="ooui-php-170" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20240713142100-dêcliather_la_dgèrre"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="-ifer" data-mw-thread-id="h--ifer-April_2024-20240801020000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--ifer-April_2024-20240801020000"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=-ifer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="-ifer (page does not exist)">-ifer</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h--ifer-April_2024-20240801020000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=64" title="Edit section: -ifer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c--sche-20240801020000--ifer">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c--sche-20240801020000--ifer"></span>In 2022 someone deleted <i><a href="/w/index.php?title=-ifer&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="-ifer (page does not exist)">-ifer</a></i> (if there was any discussion preceding this deletion, I haven't found it), but not its inflected forms like <i><a href="/wiki/-iferam" title="-iferam">-iferam</a></i> et al. So either restore the entry itself as a hard or soft redirect to / alt form of <i>-fer</i>, or delete the alt forms... <a href="/wiki/User:-sche" title="User:-sche">- -sche</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:-sche" title="User talk:-sche">(discuss)</a> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c--sche-20240801020000--ifer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c--sche-20240801020000--ifer"><span id="ooui-php-171" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c--sche-20240801020000--ifer"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="de_quel_droit" data-mw-thread-id="h-de_quel_droit-April_2024-20240802051700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-de_quel_droit-April_2024-20240802051700"></span><a href="/wiki/de_quel_droit#rfd-notice-fr-" title="de quel droit">de quel droit</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-de_quel_droit-April_2024-20240802051700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=65" title="Edit section: de quel droit"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241109140400-Fenakhay-20240802051700">14 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fenakhay-20240802051700-de_quel_droit"></span>French. SoP. — <span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:Fenakhay" title="User:Fenakhay">Fenakhay</a></span> <sup>(<span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fenakhay" title="User talk:Fenakhay">حيطي</a></span> · <span dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fenakhay" title="Special:Contributions/Fenakhay">مساهماتي</a></span>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fenakhay-20240802051700-de_quel_droit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fenakhay-20240802051700-de_quel_droit"><span id="ooui-php-172" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fenakhay-20240802051700-de_quel_droit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20240816211300-Fenakhay-20240802051700"></span>Delete</b>; English failed RFD too. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20240816211300-Fenakhay-20240802051700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20240816211300-Fenakhay-20240802051700"><span id="ooui-php-173" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20240816211300-Fenakhay-20240802051700"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241109140400-Fenakhay-20240802051700"></span>Keep</b>, this is a set phrase, and <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/droit#French" title="droit">droit</a></i> isn't used like that in free combination: "De quel droit vous êtes-vous permis de … ?" - "**Du droit de …" <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241109140400-Fenakhay-20240802051700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241109140400-Fenakhay-20240802051700"><span id="ooui-php-174" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241109140400-Fenakhay-20240802051700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo" data-mw-thread-id="h-vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo-April_2024-20240810225400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo-April_2024-20240810225400"></span><a href="/wiki/vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo#rfd-notice-it-" title="vivere in un proprio mondo">vivere in un proprio mondo</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo-April_2024-20240810225400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=66" title="Edit section: vivere in un proprio mondo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ultimateria-20240816210400-Imetsia-20240810225400">3 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Imetsia-20240810225400-vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo"></span>Italian SOP. "To live in a world of one's own." <a href="/wiki/User:Imetsia" title="User:Imetsia">Imetsia</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Imetsia" title="User talk:Imetsia">talk</a> <small>(<span style="cursor:help;" title="I strongly prefer messages on my talk page instead of article talk pages, Wiktionary discussion pages, or edit summaries. More information on my talk page.">more</span>)</small>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Imetsia-20240810225400-vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Imetsia-20240810225400-vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo"><span id="ooui-php-175" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Imetsia-20240810225400-vivere_in_un_proprio_mondo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20240816210400-Imetsia-20240810225400"></span>Delete</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20240816210400-Imetsia-20240810225400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20240816210400-Imetsia-20240810225400"><span id="ooui-php-176" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20240816210400-Imetsia-20240810225400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="facisca" data-mw-thread-id="h-facisca-April_2024"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-facisca-April_2024"></span><s><a href="/wiki/facisca" title="facisca">facisca</a></s><span data-mw-comment-end="h-facisca-April_2024"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: facisca"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li class="mw-empty-elt"></li></ul> <dl><dd><i>Discussion moved to </i><b><a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:RFVI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:RFVI">WT:RFVI</a></b><i>.</i></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="-atum" data-mw-thread-id="h--atum-April_2024-20240830185100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h--atum-April_2024-20240830185100"></span><a href="/wiki/-atum#rfd-notice-la-" title="-atum">-atum</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h--atum-April_2024-20240830185100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: -atum"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Urszag-20240830185100--atum">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Urszag-20240830185100--atum"></span>Latin, for the "suffixed to first-conjugation verbs, forms supines" sense. It isn't parsimonious to analyze Latin as having separate supine-forming suffixes depending on the conjugation (such that you take the am- from amō, amāre, combine it with the information that the verb is first conjugation, and add an ending -ātum to form am-ātum). Rather, the supine for all conjugations is better understood as being formed with a suffix <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-tum#Latin" title="-tum">-tum</a></i>, with some (mostly predictable) suffix and stem allomorphy. This is in line with the general treatment of such Latin suffixes on Wiktionary, e.g. <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-tio#Latin" title="-tio">-tiō</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-tus#Latin" title="-tus">-tus</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-tor#Latin" title="-tor">-tor</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-bilis#Latin" title="-bilis">-bilis</a></i>, which we treat as applying to verbs of all conjugation classes. Note that <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-atio#Latin" title="-atio">-ātiō</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-atus#Latin" title="-atus">-ātus</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-ator#Latin" title="-ator">-ātor</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-abilis#Latin" title="-abilis">-ābilis</a></i> don't represent suffixes attached to first-conjugation verbs, but instead are entries for rebracketed forms that are attached to nonverbal bases such as nouns: but in the case of the accusative supine, there is no analogous non-verbal -ātum suffix, since the lemma would just be <i class="Latn mention" lang="la"><a href="/wiki/-atus#Latin" title="-atus">-ātus</a></i>. (Alternatively, if the supine/perfect past participle stem is simply taken as an indivisible whole, as in some teaching styles, the accusative supine is just built by adding -um to this stem.)--<a href="/wiki/User:Urszag" title="User:Urszag">Urszag</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Urszag" title="User talk:Urszag">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Urszag-20240830185100--atum" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Urszag-20240830185100--atum"><span id="ooui-php-177" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Urszag-20240830185100--atum"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="aparat_de_proiecție" data-mw-thread-id="h-aparat_de_proiecție-April_2024-20240906122100"><span id="aparat_de_proiec.C8.9Bie"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-aparat_de_proiecție-April_2024-20240906122100"></span><a href="/wiki/aparat_de_proiec%C8%9Bie#rfd-notice-ro-" title="aparat de proiecție">aparat de proiecție</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-aparat_de_proiecție-April_2024-20240906122100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: aparat de proiecție"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Biolongvistul-20240906122100-aparat_de_proiecție">2 months ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20240906122100-aparat_de_proiecție"></span>Romanian SOP, literally ‘projection device’. The word <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/proiector#Romanian" title="proiector">proiector</a></i> exists in Romanian just fine. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20240906122100-aparat_de_proiecție" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20240906122100-aparat_de_proiecție"><span id="ooui-php-178" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biolongvistul-20240906122100-aparat_de_proiecție"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="alături_de" data-mw-thread-id="h-alături_de-April_2024-20241001130400"><span id="al.C4.83turi_de"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-alături_de-April_2024-20241001130400"></span><a href="/wiki/al%C4%83turi_de#rfd-notice-ro-" title="alături de">alături de</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-alături_de-April_2024-20241001130400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: alături de"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Biolongvistul-20241001130400-alături_de">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20241001130400-alături_de"></span>Romanian. Nonidiomatic combination of an adverb of location with the preposition <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/de#Romanian" title="de">de</a></i>, which has the role of making preposional phrases out of adverbs. Having this entry is as absurd as having an entry for <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/w/index.php?title=near_to&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="near to (page does not exist)">near to</a></i> or <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/together_with#English" title="together with">together with</a></i>—even more absurd, actually, because the presence of the preposition <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/de#Romanian" title="de">de</a></i> is far more consistent than in equivalent English prepositional phrases. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20241001130400-alături_de" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20241001130400-alături_de"><span id="ooui-php-179" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biolongvistul-20241001130400-alături_de"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks-April_2024-20241007135800"><span id="Reconstruction:Proto-Italic.2Fkerweiks"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks-April_2024-20241007135800"></span><a href="/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks#rfd-notice-itc-pro-" title="Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks">Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks-April_2024-20241007135800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=71" title="Edit section: Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Urszag-20241007140600-Caoimhin_ceallach-20241007135800">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caoimhin_ceallach-20241007135800-Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks"></span>Proto-Italic. Only Latin descendant. Tagged by @<a href="/wiki/User:Urszag" title="User:Urszag">Urszag</a>, but not listed. —<a href="/wiki/User:Caoimhin_ceallach" title="User:Caoimhin ceallach">Caoimhin ceallach</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caoimhin_ceallach" title="User talk:Caoimhin ceallach">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Caoimhin_ceallach-20241007135800-Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caoimhin_ceallach-20241007135800-Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks"><span id="ooui-php-180" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caoimhin_ceallach-20241007135800-Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Urszag-20241007140600-Caoimhin_ceallach-20241007135800"></span>The discussion is here: <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Reconstruction#Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks" title="Wiktionary:Requests for deletion/Reconstruction">Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Reconstruction#Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/kerweiks</a>. I think that's the correct place for it (since it is a reconstruction), although the rfd template seems to disagree with me and think it being Italic takes priority.--<a href="/wiki/User:Urszag" title="User:Urszag">Urszag</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Urszag" title="User talk:Urszag">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Urszag-20241007140600-Caoimhin_ceallach-20241007135800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Urszag-20241007140600-Caoimhin_ceallach-20241007135800"><span id="ooui-php-181" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" 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banană</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-coajă_de_banană-April_2024-20241008134000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: coajă de banană"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Biolongvistul-20241008134000-coajă_de_banană">1 month ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biolongvistul-20241008134000-coajă_de_banană"></span>Romanian facile SOP addition to translation table of an entry that for some reason has THUB status. </p><p>There’s also French <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/peau_de_banane#French" title="peau de banane">peau de banane</a></i>, which, based on the translation table qualifier, might (?) involve <a href="/wiki/Wiktionary:INHOSPITAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wiktionary:INHOSPITAL">WT:INHOSPITAL</a>, but which we would otherwise also be better off without. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biolongvistul">Biolongvistul</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biolongvistul" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biolongvistul">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Biolongvistul-20241008134000-coajă_de_banană" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biolongvistul-20241008134000-coajă_de_banană"><span id="ooui-php-182" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span 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ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_socialiste">21 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_socialiste"></span>French. Not dictionary material. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_socialiste" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_socialiste"><span id="ooui-php-183" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_socialiste"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Parti_communiste_français" data-mw-thread-id="h-Parti_communiste_français-April_2024-20241103113600"><span id="Parti_communiste_fran.C3.A7ais"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Parti_communiste_français-April_2024-20241103113600"></span><a href="/wiki/Parti_communiste_fran%C3%A7ais#rfd-notice-fr-" title="Parti communiste français">Parti communiste français</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Parti_communiste_français-April_2024-20241103113600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Parti communiste français"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_communiste_français">21 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_communiste_français"></span>French. Not dictionary material. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_communiste_français" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_communiste_français"><span id="ooui-php-184" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241103113600-Parti_communiste_français"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Les_Républicains" data-mw-thread-id="h-Les_Républicains-April_2024-20241103113600"><span id="Les_R.C3.A9publicains"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Les_Républicains-April_2024-20241103113600"></span><a href="/wiki/Les_R%C3%A9publicains#rfd-notice-fr-" title="Les Républicains">Les Républicains</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Les_Républicains-April_2024-20241103113600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: Les Républicains"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241103113600-Les_Républicains">21 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241103113600-Les_Républicains"></span>French. Not dictionary material. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241103113600-Les_Républicains" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241103113600-Les_Républicains"><span id="ooui-php-185" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241103113600-Les_Républicains"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts-April_2024-20241103113600"><span id="Europe_.C3.89cologie_Les_Verts"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts-April_2024-20241103113600"></span><a href="/wiki/Europe_%C3%89cologie_Les_Verts#rfd-notice-fr-" title="Europe Écologie Les Verts">Europe Écologie Les Verts</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts-April_2024-20241103113600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: Europe Écologie Les Verts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241103113600-Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts">21 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241103113600-Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts"></span>French. Not dictionary material. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241103113600-Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241103113600-Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts"><span id="ooui-php-186" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241103113600-Europe_Écologie_Les_Verts"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Les_Écologistes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Les_Écologistes-April_2024-20241103113700"><span id="Les_.C3.89cologistes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Les_Écologistes-April_2024-20241103113700"></span><a href="/wiki/Les_%C3%89cologistes#rfd-notice-fr-" title="Les Écologistes">Les Écologistes</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Les_Écologistes-April_2024-20241103113700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=77" title="Edit section: Les Écologistes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241103113700-Les_Écologistes">21 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241103113700-Les_Écologistes"></span>French. Not dictionary material. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241103113700-Les_Écologistes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241103113700-Les_Écologistes"><span id="ooui-php-187" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241103113700-Les_Écologistes"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="La_France_insoumise" data-mw-thread-id="h-La_France_insoumise-April_2024-20241103113700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-La_France_insoumise-April_2024-20241103113700"></span><a href="/wiki/La_France_insoumise#rfd-notice-fr-" title="La France insoumise">La France insoumise</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-La_France_insoumise-April_2024-20241103113700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=78" title="Edit section: La France insoumise"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241103113700-La_France_insoumise">21 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241103113700-La_France_insoumise"></span>French. Not dictionary material. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241103113700-La_France_insoumise" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241103113700-La_France_insoumise"><span id="ooui-php-188" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241103113700-La_France_insoumise"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="En_marche" data-mw-thread-id="h-En_marche-April_2024-20241103113800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-En_marche-April_2024-20241103113800"></span><a href="/wiki/En_marche#rfd-notice-fr-" title="En marche">En marche</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-En_marche-April_2024-20241103113800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=79" title="Edit section: En marche"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241103113800-En_marche">21 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241103113800-En_marche"></span>French. Not dictionary material. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241103113800-En_marche" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241103113800-En_marche"><span id="ooui-php-189" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241103113800-En_marche"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Renaissance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Renaissance-April_2024-20241103113800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Renaissance-April_2024-20241103113800"></span><a href="/wiki/Renaissance#rfd-notice-fr-" title="Renaissance">Renaissance</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Renaissance-April_2024-20241103113800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=80" title="Edit section: Renaissance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241103113800-Renaissance">21 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241103113800-Renaissance"></span>French. Not dictionary material. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241103113800-Renaissance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241103113800-Renaissance"><span id="ooui-php-190" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241103113800-Renaissance"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="tren_de_mare_viteză" data-mw-thread-id="h-tren_de_mare_viteză-April_2024-20241109093300"><span id="tren_de_mare_vitez.C4.83"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-tren_de_mare_viteză-April_2024-20241109093300"></span><a href="/wiki/tren_de_mare_vitez%C4%83#rfd-notice-ro-" title="tren de mare viteză">tren de mare viteză</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-tren_de_mare_viteză-April_2024-20241109093300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=81" title="Edit section: tren de mare viteză"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241109112100-Ktom-20241109093300">15 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ktom-20241109093300-tren_de_mare_viteză"></span>Romanian. Literally just ‘high speed train’! ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Ktom" title="User:Ktom">K<sub>(ə)</sub>tom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ktom" title="User talk:Ktom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ktom-20241109093300-tren_de_mare_viteză" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ktom-20241109093300-tren_de_mare_viteză"><span id="ooui-php-191" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ktom-20241109093300-tren_de_mare_viteză"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241109112100-Ktom-20241109093300"></span>I don't know Romanian, but this seems comparable to French <i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/train_%C3%A0_grande_vitesse#French" title="train à grande vitesse">train à grande vitesse</a></i> (<i class="Latn mention" lang="fr"><a href="/wiki/TGV#French" title="TGV">TGV</a></i>), which is lexicalized and thus entryworthy. <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241109112100-Ktom-20241109093300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241109112100-Ktom-20241109093300"><span id="ooui-php-192" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241109112100-Ktom-20241109093300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie" data-mw-thread-id="h-coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie-April_2024-20241114212300"><span id="coal.C4.83_de_h.C3.A2rtie.2C_foaie_de_h.C3.A2rtie"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie-April_2024-20241114212300"></span><a href="/wiki/coal%C4%83_de_h%C3%A2rtie#rfd-notice-ro-" title="coală de hârtie">coală de hârtie</a>, <a href="/wiki/foaie_de_h%C3%A2rtie#rfd-notice-ro-" title="foaie de hârtie">foaie de hârtie</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie-April_2024-20241114212300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=82" title="Edit section: coală de hârtie, foaie de hârtie"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ktom-20241114212300-coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie">9 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ktom-20241114212300-coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie"></span>Romanian, both literally ‘sheet of paper’. I think the synonymy makes it clear how nonidiomatic these are. To say nothing of <i class="Latn mention" lang="en"><a href="/wiki/sheet_of_paper#English" title="sheet of paper">sheet of paper</a></i> itself, which I also wouldn’t mind seeing be turned to translation hub. Anyway, these entries need to be demoted to collocations. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Ktom" title="User:Ktom">K<sub>(ə)</sub>tom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ktom" title="User talk:Ktom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ktom-20241114212300-coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ktom-20241114212300-coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie"><span id="ooui-php-193" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ktom-20241114212300-coală_de_hârtie,_foaie_de_hârtie"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="fără_tragere_de_inimă" data-mw-thread-id="h-fără_tragere_de_inimă-April_2024-20241115201500"><span id="f.C4.83r.C4.83_tragere_de_inim.C4.83"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-fără_tragere_de_inimă-April_2024-20241115201500"></span><a href="/wiki/f%C4%83r%C4%83_tragere_de_inim%C4%83#rfd-notice-ro-" title="fără tragere de inimă">fără tragere de inimă</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-fără_tragere_de_inimă-April_2024-20241115201500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=83" title="Edit section: fără tragere de inimă"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-PUC-20241116120200-Ktom-20241115201500">8 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ktom-20241115201500-fără_tragere_de_inimă"></span>Romanian. Literally, ‘without draw of heart’, meaning ‘reluctantly’. The smallest idiomatic part is <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/tragere_de_inim%C4%83#Romanian" title="tragere de inimă">tragere de inimă</a></i>, which can form readily understandable collocations with ‘with’ and ‘without’. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Ktom" title="User:Ktom">K<sub>(ə)</sub>tom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ktom" title="User talk:Ktom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ktom-20241115201500-fără_tragere_de_inimă" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ktom-20241115201500-fără_tragere_de_inimă"><span id="ooui-php-194" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ktom-20241115201500-fără_tragere_de_inimă"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PUC-20241116120200-Ktom-20241115201500"></span>Maybe <b>redirect</b> to <i class="Latn mention" lang="ro"><a href="/wiki/tragere_de_inim%C4%83#Romanian" title="tragere de inimă">tragere de inimă</a></i>? <a href="/wiki/User:PUC" title="User:PUC">P</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PUC" title="User talk:PUC">U</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/PUC" title="Special:Contributions/PUC">C</a> – <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-PUC-20241116120200-Ktom-20241115201500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PUC-20241116120200-Ktom-20241115201500"><span id="ooui-php-195" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PUC-20241116120200-Ktom-20241115201500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="eu_te_amo,_amo-te" data-mw-thread-id="h-eu_te_amo,_amo-te-April_2024-20241118031400"><span id="eu_te_amo.2C_amo-te"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-eu_te_amo,_amo-te-April_2024-20241118031400"></span><a href="/wiki/eu_te_amo#rfd-notice-pt-" title="eu te amo">eu te amo</a>, <a href="/wiki/amo-te#rfd-notice-pt-" title="amo-te">amo-te</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-eu_te_amo,_amo-te-April_2024-20241118031400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=84" title="Edit section: eu te amo, amo-te"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Polomo47-20241118031400-eu_te_amo,_amo-te">6 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polomo47-20241118031400-eu_te_amo,_amo-te"></span>Portuguese. We currently have the 3 SoP entries <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/amo-te#Portuguese" title="amo-te">amo-te</a></i>, <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/eu_te_amo#Portuguese" title="eu te amo">eu te amo</a></i>, and <i class="Latn mention" lang="pt"><a href="/wiki/te_amo#Portuguese" title="te amo">te amo</a></i>, the latter being included as part of the Phrasebook project. There should be no reason to have the other variations. </p><p>I propose the deletion of <i>amo-te</i> and <i>eu te amo</i> because those are currenly the ones not marked under Phrasebook. However, I see value in making <i>eu te amo</i> the phrasebook entry, and mentioning in that page's usage notes that <i>eu</i> can be omitted and <i>te</i> can be placed enclitically. <a href="/wiki/User:Polomo47" title="User:Polomo47">Polomo47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polomo47" title="User talk:Polomo47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Polomo47-20241118031400-eu_te_amo,_amo-te" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polomo47-20241118031400-eu_te_amo,_amo-te"><span id="ooui-php-196" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polomo47-20241118031400-eu_te_amo,_amo-te"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="anti-Stokess" data-mw-thread-id="h-anti-Stokess-April_2024-20241121002400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-anti-Stokess-April_2024-20241121002400"></span><s><a href="/w/index.php?title=anti-Stokess&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="anti-Stokess (page does not exist)">anti-Stokess</a></s><span data-mw-comment-end="h-anti-Stokess-April_2024-20241121002400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=85" title="Edit section: anti-Stokess"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ultimateria-20241121002600-Polomo47-20241121002400">3 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polomo47-20241121002400-anti-Stokess"></span>Portuguese. Malformed plural resulting from bot auto-generation in 2015. <a href="/wiki/User:Polomo47" title="User:Polomo47">Polomo47</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polomo47" title="User talk:Polomo47">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Polomo47-20241121002400-anti-Stokess" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polomo47-20241121002400-anti-Stokess"><span id="ooui-php-197" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polomo47-20241121002400-anti-Stokess"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ultimateria-20241121002600-Polomo47-20241121002400"></span>Speedied</b>. In the future, you can nominate pages like this for speedy deletion with <code style="white-space:pre-wrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:delete#top" title="Template:delete">d</a>}}</code>. <a href="/wiki/User:Ultimateria" title="User:Ultimateria">Ultimateria</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ultimateria" title="User talk:Ultimateria">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ultimateria-20241121002600-Polomo47-20241121002400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ultimateria-20241121002600-Polomo47-20241121002400"><span id="ooui-php-198" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ultimateria-20241121002600-Polomo47-20241121002400"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="pâine_aromată" data-mw-thread-id="h-pâine_aromată-April_2024-20241121153200"><span id="p.C3.A2ine_aromat.C4.83"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-pâine_aromată-April_2024-20241121153200"></span><a href="/wiki/p%C3%A2ine_aromat%C4%83#rfd-notice-ro-" title="pâine aromată">pâine aromată</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-pâine_aromată-April_2024-20241121153200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=86" title="Edit section: pâine aromată"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ktom-20241122071700-Fytcha-20241121153200">2 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fytcha-20241121153200-pâine_aromată"></span>Romanian. SOP. — <a href="/wiki/User:Fytcha" title="User:Fytcha">Fytcha</a>〈<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fytcha" title="User talk:Fytcha"> T </a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Fytcha" title="Special:Log/Fytcha"> L </a>|<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fytcha" title="Special:Contributions/Fytcha"> C </a>〉 <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Fytcha-20241121153200-pâine_aromată" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fytcha-20241121153200-pâine_aromată"><span id="ooui-php-199" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fytcha-20241121153200-pâine_aromată"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ktom-20241122071700-Fytcha-20241121153200"></span>Wow, that’s a bad one. <b>Delete</b>. ―⁠<a href="/wiki/User:Ktom" title="User:Ktom">K<sub>(ə)</sub>tom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ktom" title="User talk:Ktom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic#c-Ktom-20241122071700-Fytcha-20241121153200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ktom-20241122071700-Fytcha-20241121153200"><span id="ooui-php-200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ktom-20241122071700-Fytcha-20241121153200"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="espêtos" data-mw-thread-id="h-espêtos-April_2024-20241124034200"><span id="esp.C3.AAtos"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-espêtos-April_2024-20241124034200"></span><a href="/wiki/esp%C3%AAtos#rfd-notice-pt-" title="espêtos">espêtos</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-espêtos-April_2024-20241124034200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Requests_for_deletion/Italic&action=edit&section=87" title="Edit section: espêtos"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Polomo47-20241124034200-espêtos">9 hours ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polomo47-20241124034200-espêtos"></span>Portuguese. As far as I am aware, the plural form of <i>espêto</i> was <i>espetos</i>, without the accent, because there was nothing to distinguish from. Compare <i>pêra</i>, <i>peras</i>. 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