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</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><br/> </p> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg/220px-Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg.png" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg/330px-Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg/440px-Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="707" data-file-height="530"/></a><figcaption>please stay in the top three tiers</figcaption></figure> <pre><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1158435425">.mw-parser-output .xfd-backlog{font-size:92%;text-align:center}.mw-parser-output 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class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Heads up: your unblock of GageCSayre"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <ul><li><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:GageCSayre&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:GageCSayre (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-78.28.44.127-20241026074600-Heads_up:_your_unblock_of_GageCSayre"></span>User:GageCSayre</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/User:TheAmazingCoffeeMan" title="User:TheAmazingCoffeeMan">User:TheAmazingCoffeeMan</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Query_re_possible_clean_start_for_a_blocked_user_who_hasn't_edited_in_14_years" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">WP:AN thread</a></li></ul> <p>I was pleasantly surprised to see you slash through red tape and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=165379991">lift</a> that ancient block, which was a refreshing change of pace after your stonewalling of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive326#c-Beeblebrox-2020-11-12T03:05:00.000Z-Eggishorn-2020-11-10T19:08:00.000Z">a similar request some time ago</a>; HOWEVER, I believe in doing so you might've overlooked a relevant bit of information. </p><p>In <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATheAmazingCoffeeMan&diff=1253454829&oldid=1253454352">their unblock request</a>, the user claims to be <a href="/wiki/User:RoyalRumble24" title="User:RoyalRumble24">User:RoyalRumble24</a>, who is tagged as a sock of <a href="/wiki/User:Alexcas11" title="User:Alexcas11">User:Alexcas11</a>, who in turn is tagged as a <b>banned <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Alexcas11&oldid=889508952">LTA</a></b>. </p><p>It is, of course, entirely possible that the connection was made in error (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alexcas11/Archive" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alexcas11/Archive">Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alexcas11/Archive</a> doesn't even mention "RoyalRumble24" as far as I can tell), but I think we can both agree that this isn't something to just ignore. If you disagree, please make a statement to that effect for the record. </p><p>Thank you. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.28.44.127" title="Special:Contributions/78.28.44.127">78.28.44.127</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:78.28.44.127" title="User talk:78.28.44.127">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-78.28.44.127-20241026074600-Heads_up:_your_unblock_of_GageCSayre" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-78.28.44.127-20241026074600-Heads_up:_your_unblock_of_GageCSayre"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-78.28.44.127-20241026074600-Heads_up:_your_unblock_of_GageCSayre"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800-78.28.44.127-20241026074600"></span>This is what I get for trying to AGF and look for a simple solution. I think I'm still inclined to just wait and see given the amount of time involved. The unblock doesn't really change anything as they apparently can't access that account, so if they don't immediately go back to creating hoaxes there's no issue, and if they do... banhammer. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800-78.28.44.127-20241026074600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800-78.28.44.127-20241026074600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800-78.28.44.127-20241026074600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ClaudineChionh-20241026231800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800"></span>As the instigator of that thread I kind of feel the same way. +1 for them trying to be transparent though, when they could have just not mentioned all the extra socks.<span id="ClaudineChionh:1729984713167:User_talkFTTCLNJust_Step_Sideways" class="FTTCmt"> — <b><a href="/wiki/User:ClaudineChionh" title="User:ClaudineChionh">ClaudineChionh</a></b> <small>(<i>she/her</i> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:ClaudineChionh" title="User talk:ClaudineChionh">talk</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh" title="Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh">contribs</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh" title="Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh">email</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-ClaudineChionh-20241026231800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ClaudineChionh-20241026231800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ClaudineChionh-20241026231800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-78.28.44.127-20241027021000-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800"></span>The problem is that effectively allowing a banned LTA back on the site isn't a call that a single admin can make. By simply unblocking, we're setting the editor up for failure.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Think about it: the <i>best</i> case scenario is that the user becomes a productive contributor, at some point gets into a dispute with someone over something (which is quite literally unavoidable), that someone decides to use the fact that the user is still technically banned to get the upper hand, and all hell breaks loose (with you at the center of it probably).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Instead of leaving the siteban situation effectively unresolved, we should follow the normal procedure: start with a CU check on TheAmazingCoffeeMan (I'm sure <span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:NinjaRobotPirate" title="User:NinjaRobotPirate">NinjaRobotPirate</a>:</span> wouldn't mind lending a hand) to make sure the banned LTA doesn't have twenty other accounts operating already (AGF but verify), ask them about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alexcas11/Archive" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alexcas11/Archive">those other accounts</a> they didn't mention, and then have a proper AN discussion.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Personally, I too would support letting them return based on the length of time that has passed since their vandalizing rampage alone, but it's in everyone's best interest to do it the proper way. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.28.44.127" title="Special:Contributions/78.28.44.127">78.28.44.127</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:78.28.44.127" title="User talk:78.28.44.127">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-78.28.44.127-20241027021000-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-78.28.44.127-20241027021000-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-78.28.44.127-20241027021000-Just_Step_Sideways-20241026172800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241027183800-78.28.44.127-20241027021000"></span>I've raised the issue on their talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241027183800-78.28.44.127-20241027021000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241027183800-78.28.44.127-20241027021000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241027183800-78.28.44.127-20241027021000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Dummy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Dummy-20241026091000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Dummy-20241026091000"></span>Dummy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Dummy-20241026091000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Dummy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bishzilla-20241026091000-Dummy"></span>[<i>Bishzilla is often herself tempted to refer to little 'shonen as "dummy". Sticks the little Just Step Sideways in her pocket. Approvingly:</i>] Good little user! Stay! <a href="/wiki/User:Bishzilla" title="User:Bishzilla"><b style="font-family:comic sans ms;color:#0FF"><big><i>bishzilla</i></big></b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bishzilla" title="User talk:Bishzilla"><i style="color:#E0E;"><sub>R</sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User:Bishzilla/Srp" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Bishzilla/Srp"><b style="color:#33E">pocket</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Bishzilla-20241026091000-Dummy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bishzilla-20241026091000-Dummy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bishzilla-20241026091000-Dummy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceoil-20241026222600-Bishzilla-20241026091000"></span>I don't often find myself agreeing with colossal prehistoric reptilian / dinosaurian monsters, but to say that the thoughs expressed in <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways/situations" title="User:Just Step Sideways/situations">User:Just Step Sideways/situations</a> are well articulated and as a long-term (c. 2005) WR/WPO lurker, align with my own. <a href="/wiki/User:Ceoil" title="User:Ceoil">Ceoil</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceoil" title="User talk:Ceoil">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Ceoil-20241026222600-Bishzilla-20241026091000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceoil-20241026222600-Bishzilla-20241026091000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceoil-20241026222600-Bishzilla-20241026091000"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241028040100"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241028040100"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-20241028040100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: A barnstar for you!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mach61-20241028040100-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Administrator_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Admin's Barnstar</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Your close at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Music_composition_and_composers_in_Pristina" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Music composition and composers in Pristina">WP:Articles for deletion/Music composition and composers in Pristina</a> was exactly was what I thought of saying to asilvering, but chose not to for lack of desire to "argue with the refs" as it were. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mach61" title="User talk:Mach61">Mach61</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Mach61-20241028040100-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mach61-20241028040100-A_barnstar_for_you!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mach61-20241028040100-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241028172500-Mach61-20241028040100"></span>Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241028172500-Mach61-20241028040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241028172500-Mach61-20241028040100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241028172500-Mach61-20241028040100"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Names" data-mw-thread-id="h-Names-20241031192700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Names-20241031192700"></span>Names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Names-20241031192700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Names"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Atsme-20241031192700-Names"></span>I'll stick with Beebs...it's used affectionately. <a href="/wiki/User:Atsme" title="User:Atsme"><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Atsme" title="User talk:Atsme">💬</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Atsme" title="Special:EmailUser/Atsme">📧</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Atsme-20241031192700-Names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Atsme-20241031192700-Names"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Atsme-20241031192700-Names"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241031200000-Atsme-20241031192700"></span>I sometimes think I should've gone with that, as it refers specifically to me, but I wanted to make some sort of shout out to <a href="/wiki/Mark_E._Smith" title="Mark E. Smith">Mark E. Smith</a> so here we are. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241031200000-Atsme-20241031192700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241031200000-Atsme-20241031192700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241031200000-Atsme-20241031192700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet." data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet.-20241031202100"><span id="Re:_I_guess_we.27re_not_quite_done_here_yet."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet.-20241031202100"></span>Re: I guess we're not quite done here yet.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet.-20241031202100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Re: I guess we're not quite done here yet."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAmazingCoffeeMan-20241031202100-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet."></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256396942">.mw-parser-output .umbox{background-color:var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff);border:1px solid var(--border-color-progressive,#36c);padding:0.5em 1em;margin:2em 0 1em;font-weight:bold;overflow:auto;vertical-align:middle}</style> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAmazingCoffeeMan#I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet." title="User talk:TheAmazingCoffeeMan"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Just Step Sideways. You have new messages at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAmazingCoffeeMan#I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet." title="User talk:TheAmazingCoffeeMan">TheAmazingCoffeeMan's talk page</a>.<br/><span style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;">Message added <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-TheAmazingCoffeeMan-20241031202100-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a>. You can <a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways" title="Special:EditPage/User talk:Just Step Sideways">remove this notice</a> at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAmazingCoffeeMan-20241031202100-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet."></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAmazingCoffeeMan-20241031202100-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:TheAmazingCoffeeMan" title="User:TheAmazingCoffeeMan"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheAmazingCoffeeMan-20241031202100-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet.-1"></span>TheAmazingCoffeeMan</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheAmazingCoffeeMan" title="User talk:TheAmazingCoffeeMan">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-TheAmazingCoffeeMan-20241031202100-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet.-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheAmazingCoffeeMan-20241031202100-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet.-1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheAmazingCoffeeMan-20241031202100-Re:_I_guess_we're_not_quite_done_here_yet.-1"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Revision_deletion_for_BLP_violations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Revision_deletion_for_BLP_violations-20241101033300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Revision_deletion_for_BLP_violations-20241101033300"></span>Revision deletion for BLP violations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Revision_deletion_for_BLP_violations-20241101033300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Revision deletion for BLP violations"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Traumnovelle-20241101033300-Revision_deletion_for_BLP_violations"></span>Hello, could you revdel some BLP violating content on this article: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St_Patrick%27s_College,_Silverstream&oldid=937173395#Sexual_abuse_of_children">[1]</a> I removed it with my most recent edit. <a href="/wiki/User:Traumnovelle" title="User:Traumnovelle">Traumnovelle</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Traumnovelle" title="User talk:Traumnovelle">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Traumnovelle-20241101033300-Revision_deletion_for_BLP_violations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Traumnovelle-20241101033300-Revision_deletion_for_BLP_violations"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Traumnovelle-20241101033300-Revision_deletion_for_BLP_violations"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="An_Update" data-mw-thread-id="h-An_Update-20241101064900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-An_Update-20241101064900"></span>An Update<span data-mw-comment-end="h-An_Update-20241101064900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: An Update"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CharlieMehta-20241101064900-An_Update"></span>Hi, <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a>. I am thrilled to share that I successfully completed my <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer/NPP-School/CharlieMehta" title="User:DreamRimmer/NPP-School/CharlieMehta">NPP School Training and Assessment</a> yesterday, guided by <a href="/wiki/User:DreamRimmer" title="User:DreamRimmer">DreamRimmer</a>’s mentorship. I wanted to share this update with you specifically, as it was your encouragement back in June 2024, when you <a href="/wiki/User_talk:CharlieMehta#Autopatrolled_granted" title="User talk:CharlieMehta">granted me Autopatroller rights</a> and suggested I pursue NPP, that led me to consider taking this step. I hope to see you around, and please don’t hesitate to reach out if you feel I am deviating from Wikipedia's editing guidelines or committing any sort of mistakes. <a href="/wiki/User:CharlieMehta" title="User:CharlieMehta">Charlie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CharlieMehta" title="User talk:CharlieMehta">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-CharlieMehta-20241101064900-An_Update" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CharlieMehta-20241101064900-An_Update"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CharlieMehta-20241101064900-An_Update"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/40px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></a></span> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1129693374"><div class="hlist inline"><ul><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1248791416#Inactive_admins_for_October_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1248791416">Babajobu</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1254200257#Desysop_request_(Daniel)" title="Special:PermanentLink/1254200257">Daniel</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1248791416#Inactive_admins_for_October_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1248791416">Elf</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1248791416#Inactive_admins_for_October_2024" title="Special:PermanentLink/1248791416">Jayron32</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1249813284#De-adminship_request_for_Thue" title="Special:PermanentLink/1249813284">Thue</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1248753311#Desysop_request_(Wugapodes)" title="Special:PermanentLink/1248753311">Wugapodes</a></li></ul></div></dd></dl> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Checkuser_Logo.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Checkuser_Logo.svg/20px-Checkuser_Logo.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Checkuser_Logo.svg/30px-Checkuser_Logo.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Checkuser_Logo.svg/40px-Checkuser_Logo.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="110" data-file-height="110"/></a></span> <b>CheckUser changes</b> </p> <dl><dd><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Removed"><img alt="removed" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg/20px-Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg.png" 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<p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Green_check.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/20px-Green_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/30px-Green_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Green_check.svg/40px-Green_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> <b>Guideline and policy news</b> </p> <ul><li>Following a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Discussion-only_period#Structured_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period">discussion</a>, the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_II/Discussion-only_period" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period">discussion-only period</a> proposal that went for a trial to refine the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RFA">requests for adminship</a> (RfA) process has been discontinued.</li> <li>Following a <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1254983370#Administrator_Recall" title="Special:PermanentLink/1254983370">request for comment</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RECALL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RECALL">Administrator recall</a> is adopted as a policy.</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Octicons-tools.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/20px-Octicons-tools.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/30px-Octicons-tools.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Octicons-tools.svg/40px-Octicons-tools.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="1024"/></a></span> <b>Technical news</b> </p> <ul><li>Mass deletions done with the <a href="/wiki/Special:Nuke" title="Special:Nuke">Nuke</a> tool now have the 'Nuke' tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. <a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T366068" class="extiw" title="phabricator:T366068">T366068</a></li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/20px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/30px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span> <b>Arbitration</b> </p> <ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RoySmith">RoySmith</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cyberpower678">Cyberpower678</a></span> have been appointed to the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024/Electoral_Commission" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2024/Electoral Commission">Electoral Commission</a> for the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2024">2024 Arbitration Committee Elections</a>. <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ThadeusOfNazereth">ThadeusOfNazereth</a></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dr_vulpes">Dr vulpes</a></span> are reserve commissioners.</li> <li>Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate from 3 November 2024 until 12 November 2024 to stand in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2024">2024 Arbitration Committee elections</a>.</li> <li>The Arbitration Committee is <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1249961616#Call_for_applications:_clerks,_COI_queue,_checkuser,_and_oversight" title="Special:PermanentLink/1249961616">seeking volunteers</a> for roles such as clerks, access to the COI queue, checkuser, and oversight.</li></ul> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Info_Simple_bw.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/20px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/30px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Info_Simple_bw.svg/40px-Info_Simple_bw.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="512"/></a></span> <b>Miscellaneous</b> </p> <ul><li>An <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_articles/Backlog_drives/November_2024" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/November 2024">unreferenced articles backlog drive</a> is happening in November 2024 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Unreferenced" title="Template:Unreferenced">Unreferenced</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. 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The <i><a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1255875107#Wikipediocracy-related_conduct" title="Special:PermanentLink/1255875107">Wikipediocracy-related conduct</a></i> case request has been declined. While the arbitrators were closely divided, there was not an absolute majority to accept the case. For the Arbitration Committee, <a href="/wiki/User:SilverLocust" title="User:SilverLocust">SilverLocust</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SilverLocust" title="User talk:SilverLocust">💬</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-SilverLocust-20241107063900-Arbitration_case_request_declined" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SilverLocust-20241107063900-Arbitration_case_request_declined"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SilverLocust-20241107063900-Arbitration_case_request_declined"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107222400-SilverLocust-20241107063900"></span>I wonder if seventeen days is aome kind of record for a case request... <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107222400-SilverLocust-20241107063900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107222400-SilverLocust-20241107063900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107222400-SilverLocust-20241107063900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cleanup_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cleanup_request-20241107123600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cleanup_request-20241107123600"></span>Cleanup request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cleanup_request-20241107123600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Cleanup request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Folly_Mox-20241107123600-Cleanup_request"></span>Hi! Hope things are well with you. Given <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=165585994">this recent unblock of yours,</a> can you fix the page <a href="/wiki/User:Min968" title="User:Min968">User:Min968</a> in whatever fashion is recommended? <a href="/wiki/User:Folly_Mox" title="User:Folly Mox">Folly Mox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Folly_Mox" title="User talk:Folly Mox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Folly_Mox-20241107123600-Cleanup_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Folly_Mox-20241107123600-Cleanup_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Folly_Mox-20241107123600-Cleanup_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107203300-Folly_Mox-20241107123600"></span>I did mean to do just that, must've got disctracted... Looks like HouseBlaster already got to it. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107203300-Folly_Mox-20241107123600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107203300-Folly_Mox-20241107123600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107203300-Folly_Mox-20241107123600"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_blame_myself" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_blame_myself-20241107124700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_blame_myself-20241107124700"></span>I blame myself<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_blame_myself-20241107124700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: I blame myself"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700-I_blame_myself"></span>for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_recall/Graham87" title="Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Graham87">Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Graham87</a>. I'd seen questionable blocks at UTRS and not said anything. Too unwilling to question a colleague. SMDH. <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">-- Deepfriedokra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Deepfriedokra" title="User talk:Deepfriedokra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700-I_blame_myself" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700-I_blame_myself"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700-I_blame_myself"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107203400-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"></span>It's not an easy thing, holding colleagues to account, but he was called out on it repeatedly before this. It's not on you. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107203400-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107203400-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241107203400-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108231100-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"></span>If you ever see any of my actions you find questionable don't hesitate to point them out. Civil queries about admin actions between admins should be completely normal. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108231100-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108231100-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108231100-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cabayi-20241110123100-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"></span>I'll take a portion of that <a href="/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra" title="User:Deepfriedokra">DFO</a>. I've seen some questionable blocks but not so questionable or so often that I felt a need to stick my nose in. A more open culture among admins, challenging the decisions without challenging the admins, would go a long way to fending off any unnecessary escalation. To those who have felt able to tactfully step in to situations such as this before they have blown up, more power to you. <a href="/wiki/User:Cabayi" title="User:Cabayi">Cabayi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cabayi" title="User talk:Cabayi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Cabayi-20241110123100-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cabayi-20241110123100-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cabayi-20241110123100-Deepfriedokra-20241107124700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unless" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unless-20241108223700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unless-20241108223700"></span><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&curid=5137507&diff=1256232907&oldid=1256232803">Unless</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unless-20241108223700"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Unless"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108223700-Unless"></span>... you're an Indian news company. <a href="/wiki/User:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User:ScottishFinnishRadish">ScottishFinnishRadish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish" title="User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108223700-Unless" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108223700-Unless"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108223700-Unless"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241108224200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108223700"></span>Yeah, for that you have to actually file a lawsuit and wait a couple months. And while I can't claim to know how these things are done on the subcontinent, in the US it isn't libel unless you can prove it is not true. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241108224200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108223700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241108224200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108223700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241108224200-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241108223700"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="November_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_2024-20241109081400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_2024-20241109081400"></span>November 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_2024-20241109081400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: November 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biohistorian15-20241109081400-November_2024"></span>Hi, do you think the following account might be a Flyer22 sock?<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Micahtchi">[2]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Biohistorian15" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Biohistorian15">Biohistorian15</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biohistorian15" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Biohistorian15">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Biohistorian15-20241109081400-November_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biohistorian15-20241109081400-November_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biohistorian15-20241109081400-November_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Daner%27s_Creek" title="Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Daner's Creek"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241109201000-Biohistorian15-20241109081400"></span>Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Daner's Creek</a> would be the place to discuss that. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241109201000-Biohistorian15-20241109081400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241109201000-Biohistorian15-20241109081400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241109201000-Biohistorian15-20241109081400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="No_answer" data-mw-thread-id="h-No_answer-20241111002900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-No_answer-20241111002900"></span>No answer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-No_answer-20241111002900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: No answer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Talk:Masnaa_Border_Crossing#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_30_October_2024" title="Talk:Masnaa Border Crossing"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JMGuyon-20241111002900-No_answer"></span>Talk:Masnaa Border Crossing#Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2024</a> </p><p>Hello, I have not received any response for 11 days on this page. Is this normal? How can this be explained, and what should I do? Kind regards <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:JMGuyon&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:JMGuyon (page does not exist)">JMGuyon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JMGuyon" title="User talk:JMGuyon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-JMGuyon-20241111002900-No_answer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JMGuyon-20241111002900-No_answer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JMGuyon-20241111002900-No_answer"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241111005900-JMGuyon-20241111002900"></span>Not at all sure why you decided to ask me in particular as I don't edit in that subject area, but I have responded there. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241111005900-JMGuyon-20241111002900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241111005900-JMGuyon-20241111002900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241111005900-JMGuyon-20241111002900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="November_music" data-mw-thread-id="h-November_music-20241111235300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-November_music-20241111235300"></span>November music<span data-mw-comment-end="h-November_music-20241111235300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: November music"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241111235300-November_music"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1257001546">.mw-parser-output .infobox-subbox{padding:0;border:none;margin:-3px;width:auto;min-width:100%;font-size:100%;clear:none;float:none;background-color:transparent}.mw-parser-output .infobox-3cols-child{margin:auto}.mw-parser-output .infobox .navbar{font-size:100%}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme)>div:not(.notheme)[style]{background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .infobox-full-data:not(.notheme) div:not(.notheme){background:#1f1f23!important;color:#f8f9fa}}@media(min-width:640px){body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table{display:table!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>caption{display:table-caption!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table>tbody{display:table-row-group}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table tr{display:table-row!important}body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table th,body.skin--responsive .mw-parser-output .infobox-table td{padding-left:inherit;padding-right:inherit}}</style><table class="infobox nowrap plainlist" style="width:auto; background-color:#ddd; border:5px solid #ddd; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);; border-radius:0.5em;"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"><span class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Frameless"><a href="/wiki/File:Apple_tree_in_field,_detail,_Ehrenbach.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Apple_tree_in_field%2C_detail%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg/180px-Apple_tree_in_field%2C_detail%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg" decoding="async" width="180" height="135" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Apple_tree_in_field%2C_detail%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg/270px-Apple_tree_in_field%2C_detail%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Apple_tree_in_field%2C_detail%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg/360px-Apple_tree_in_field%2C_detail%2C_Ehrenbach.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4000" data-file-height="3000"/></a></span></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header"><a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Top" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Top">story</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#Music" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">music</a> · <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt/Places_and_songs_2024#7_Nov" title="User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2024">places</a></th></tr></tbody></table> <p>I uploaded more pics (see places), on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - <a href="/wiki/Madeleine_Riffaud" title="Madeleine Riffaud">Madeleine Riffaud</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt#remember" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">remember</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Gerda_Arendt-20241111235300-November_music" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241111235300-November_music"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241111235300-November_music"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241112001200-Gerda_Arendt-20241111235300"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Hidden_Lake_from_campground.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Hidden_Lake_from_campground.jpg/220px-Hidden_Lake_from_campground.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Hidden_Lake_from_campground.jpg/330px-Hidden_Lake_from_campground.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Hidden_Lake_from_campground.jpg/440px-Hidden_Lake_from_campground.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4032" data-file-height="3024"/></a><figcaption>One of the best campsites ever.</figcaption></figure>I'm kinda bummed that I didn't make it back this year to the lake in the picture at the right. Last time we were there we took our <a href="/wiki/Scanoe" title="Scanoe">scanoe</a> out and managed to spot a bear with two cubs foraging on the mountainside. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241112001200-Gerda_Arendt-20241111235300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241112001200-Gerda_Arendt-20241111235300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241112001200-Gerda_Arendt-20241111235300"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241112190600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241112190600"></span>Notice of noticeboard discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion-20241112190600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Notice of noticeboard discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chess-20241112190600-Notice_of_noticeboard_discussion"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. 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You may read more about the study on its <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia_Administrator_Recruitment,_Retention,_and_Attrition" class="extiw" title="m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia Administrator Recruitment, Retention, and Attrition">Meta page</a> and view its <a href="https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator_Experiences_2024_Survey_Privacy_Statement" class="extiw" title="wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator Experiences 2024 Survey Privacy Statement">privacy statement</a>. </p><p>Take the survey <b><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/294789?lang=en">here</a></b>. </p><p>Kind Regards, </p><p><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Research" class="extiw" title="mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research">WMF Research Team</a> </p><p><bdi lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="/wiki/User:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User:BGerdemann (WMF)">BGerdemann (WMF)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BGerdemann_(WMF)" title="User talk:BGerdemann (WMF)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a> </bdi><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BGerdemann_(WMF)-20241113001800-Reminder_to_participate_in_Wikipedia_research"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mail_call" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mail_call-20241113110400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mail_call-20241113110400"></span>Mail call<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mail_call-20241113110400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Mail call"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bishonen-20241113110400-Mail_call"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256396942"> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/40px-Mail-message-new.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/60px-Mail-message-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/80px-Mail-message-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Just Step Sideways. Please check your email; you've got mail! <br/><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can <span class="noprint plainlinks" title="Edit {{{1}}}"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit">remove this notice</a></span> at any time by removing the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:You%27ve_got_mail" title="Template:You've got mail">You've got mail</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ygm" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ygm">ygm</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template.</span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Bishonen" title="User:Bishonen">Bishonen</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bishonen" title="User talk:Bishonen">tålk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Bishonen-20241113110400-Mail_call" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bishonen-20241113110400-Mail_call"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bishonen-20241113110400-Mail_call"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kudpung-20241114162800-Mail_call"></span>And YGM from me. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Kudpung-20241114162800-Mail_call" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kudpung-20241114162800-Mail_call"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kudpung-20241114162800-Mail_call"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kudpung-20241114163700-Mail_call"></span>Forget it. The issue has resolved itself. Probably a cache error. <a href="/wiki/User:Kudpung" title="User:Kudpung">Kudpung กุดผึ้ง</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kudpung" title="User talk:Kudpung">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Kudpung-20241114163700-Mail_call" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kudpung-20241114163700-Mail_call"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kudpung-20241114163700-Mail_call"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241114183300-Kudpung-20241114163700"></span>Weird. Before just now my last edit was about fourteen hours ago. Good to see you though. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241114183300-Kudpung-20241114163700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241114183300-Kudpung-20241114163700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241114183300-Kudpung-20241114163700"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241118075800-Mail_call"></span>I have also sent mail <a href="/wiki/User:Queen_of_Hearts" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Queen of Hearts"><span style="color: darkred;">charlotte</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Queen_of_Hearts" title="User talk:Queen of Hearts"><sup style="color: darkred;">👸♥</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241118075800-Mail_call" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241118075800-Mail_call"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Queen_of_Hearts-20241118075800-Mail_call"></span> </p> <ul><li><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-20241118235100-Queen_of_Hearts-20241118075800"></span>I have also sent mail. It was to my insurance company...but...I just wanted to feel like part of the group. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-GreenMeansGo-20241118235100-Queen_of_Hearts-20241118075800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-20241118235100-Queen_of_Hearts-20241118075800"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-20241118235100-Queen_of_Hearts-20241118075800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="I_don't_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife" data-mw-thread-id="h-I_don't_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife-20241118233600"><span id="I_don.27t_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I_don't_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife-20241118233600"></span>I don't understand the need to twist the knife<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I_don't_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife-20241118233600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: I don't understand the need to twist the knife"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20241118233600-I_don't_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife"></span>Just leave the guy alone. Jesus. <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Floquenbeam-20241118233600-I_don't_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20241118233600-I_don't_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20241118233600-I_don't_understand_the_need_to_twist_the_knife"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241118233900-Floquenbeam-20241118233600"></span>I just think it would be better for everyone if this just ended now instead of going on for a full week. It's probably in his own best interest to pull the plug now. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241118233900-Floquenbeam-20241118233600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241118233900-Floquenbeam-20241118233600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241118233900-Floquenbeam-20241118233600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20241118234800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241118233900"></span>And you think he's not able to see what's going on and decide for himself, and needs you to give advice (masquerading as a question), because ...? <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Floquenbeam-20241118234800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241118233900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20241118234800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241118233900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20241118234800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241118233900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Floquenbeam-20241118235000-Floquenbeam-20241118234800"></span>Nevermind. I'm just disappointed in almost everyone around here these days; I'm not sure why I thought that wouldn't be true of you too. Consider it a rhetorical question. <a href="/wiki/User:Floquenbeam" title="User:Floquenbeam">Floquenbeam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Floquenbeam" title="User talk:Floquenbeam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Floquenbeam-20241118235000-Floquenbeam-20241118234800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Floquenbeam-20241118235000-Floquenbeam-20241118234800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Floquenbeam-20241118235000-Floquenbeam-20241118234800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119000000-Floquenbeam-20241118235000"></span>I'll cop to it being a suggestion inside of a question. I'm not sure Graham has been honest with himself, based on comments I have seen him making, and this was an attempt to nudge him in that direction, not to kick him when he's down, but I can see how it could come off that way. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119000000-Floquenbeam-20241118235000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119000000-Floquenbeam-20241118235000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119000000-Floquenbeam-20241118235000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanahary-20241119025700-Floquenbeam-20241118233600"></span>I agree, that was an utterly pointless and mean "question". 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There's not even <b>one</b> Delete !vote on that page.....and the nominator has asked for sources... that were provided (at AfD and on the page; it was vastly improved....(by me, fwiw)). Nor the nominator nor @<a href="/wiki/User:Dclemens1971" title="User:Dclemens1971">Dclemens1971</a>, who had !voted Redirect (which had been the outcome of a first close, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Desserts_(film)" title="Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Desserts (film)">TP</a> where I asked Star Mississippi to relist it), have responded to new sources (added twice), true but that should not be considered a reason for deletion. At the very very least please consider a relist. Whatever your reading of the page is, it is absolutely impossible to consider there is a consensus to delete at all. Your closing statement does not indicate any reason for your decision, so I am assuming it is a mistake. Thank you in advance. -<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mushy_Yank" title="User talk:Mushy Yank"><span style="font-family:American Typewriter;color:#0F0C0F">Mushy Yank</span></a>. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Mushy_Yank-20241119004000-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Desserts_(film)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mushy_Yank-20241119004000-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Desserts_(film)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mushy_Yank-20241119004000-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Desserts_(film)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600-Mushy_Yank-20241119004000"></span>You are correct, I didn't mean to close that AFD at all. I was very confused for a minute there because an AFD I thought I had closed was still open and I couldn't figure out why. I clicked on the wrong one, I guess from scrolling too fast. I'll fix it now. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600-Mushy_Yank-20241119004000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600-Mushy_Yank-20241119004000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600-Mushy_Yank-20241119004000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mushy_Yank-20241119005900-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600"></span>Thank you very much! -<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mushy_Yank" title="User talk:Mushy Yank"><span style="font-family:American Typewriter;color:#0F0C0F">Mushy Yank</span></a>. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Mushy_Yank-20241119005900-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mushy_Yank-20241119005900-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mushy_Yank-20241119005900-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119010000-Mushy_Yank-20241119005900"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119010000-Mushy_Yank-20241119005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119010000-Mushy_Yank-20241119005900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119010000-Mushy_Yank-20241119005900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Star_Mississippi-20241119012600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600"></span>so you... stepped sideways to the wrong AfD? :)</dd> <dd>Thanks @<a href="/wiki/User:Mushy_Yank" title="User:Mushy Yank">Mushy Yank</a> for the ping. Glad it was resolved in the interim while I was offline.I didn't watch the AfD after the relist so please do ping me if needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Star_Mississippi" title="User:Star Mississippi"><span style="color:#be33ff;">Star</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi" title="User talk:Star Mississippi"><span style="color:#ff33da;">Mississippi</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Star_Mississippi-20241119012600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Star_Mississippi-20241119012600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Star_Mississippi-20241119012600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119005600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119015500-Star_Mississippi-20241119012600"></span>I read that in Mark E. Smith's voice.</dd> <dd>When I'm closing AFDs I have the log for the whole day open, with only still-open discussions displayed, and there were two similarly long ones back-to-back. Not that it is anything but my fault but I assume that's how it happened. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119015500-Star_Mississippi-20241119012600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119015500-Star_Mississippi-20241119012600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241119015500-Star_Mississippi-20241119012600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_the_name_change?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_the_name_change?-20241119094600"><span id="Why_the_name_change.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_the_name_change?-20241119094600"></span>Why the name change?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_the_name_change?-20241119094600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: Why the name change?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maproom-20241119094600-Why_the_name_change?"></span>Beeblebrox is a name I vaguely recall, and respect, though I don't think our areas of WP interest overlap much. Why have you changed it? <a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maproom" title="User talk:Maproom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Maproom-20241119094600-Why_the_name_change?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maproom-20241119094600-Why_the_name_change?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maproom-20241119094600-Why_the_name_change?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241120010900-Maproom-20241119094600"></span>I had been contemplating it for some time. When I first registered this account, people, including myself, were generally unaware of best practices for online security. So we did things like name our account after one pet and use the other one's name as the password. Sadly, my cat Zaphod Beeblebrox passsed on some time ago. And I've been a longtime fan, due to my wife, of <a href="/wiki/The_Fall_(band)" title="The Fall (band)">The Fall</a> and since the death of <a href="/wiki/Mark_E._Smith" title="Mark E. Smith">Mark E. Smith</a> I'de been contemplating a new username based on a fall song, so I went twith one of my favorites. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFO70oGChQU&t=7s">[3]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241120010900-Maproom-20241119094600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241120010900-Maproom-20241119094600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241120010900-Maproom-20241119094600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Maproom-20241124112100-Just_Step_Sideways-20241120010900"></span>Thank you for your explanation! I once observed an editor who changed his username as part of the process of standing for some official WP role. I'm reassured to know that you're not up to any such thing. <a href="/wiki/User:Maproom" title="User:Maproom">Maproom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Maproom" title="User talk:Maproom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Maproom-20241124112100-Just_Step_Sideways-20241120010900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Maproom-20241124112100-Just_Step_Sideways-20241120010900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Maproom-20241124112100-Just_Step_Sideways-20241120010900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124200800-Maproom-20241124112100"></span>At the time I changed it I did not anticipate ever running for ArbCom again, but after watching the committee struggle this past year I decided I'd run again. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124200800-Maproom-20241124112100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124200800-Maproom-20241124112100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124200800-Maproom-20241124112100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="cand_q" data-mw-thread-id="h-cand_q-20241119161000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-cand_q-20241119161000"></span>cand q<span data-mw-comment-end="h-cand_q-20241119161000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: cand q"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241119161000-cand_q"></span>Thank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore: </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Liviu_Holender" title="Liviu Holender">Liviu Holender</a></b> chose <a href="/wiki/Lied" title="Lied">lieder</a> by five composers whose music was banned by the Nazis—<a href="/wiki/Franz_Schreker" title="Franz Schreker">Schreker</a>, <a href="/wiki/Alexander_von_Zemlinsky" title="Alexander von Zemlinsky">Zemlinsky</a>, <a href="/wiki/Gustav_Mahler" title="Gustav Mahler">Mahler</a>, <a href="/wiki/Erich_Wolfgang_Korngold" title="Erich Wolfgang Korngold">Korngold</a> and <a href="/wiki/Arnold_Schoenberg" title="Arnold Schoenberg">Schönberg</a>—for a recital at the <a href="/wiki/Oper_Frankfurt" title="Oper Frankfurt">Oper Frankfurt</a>.</li></ul> <p>What does this 2024 DYK tell you about infoboxes for classical composers in 2024? --<a href="/wiki/User:Gerda_Arendt" title="User:Gerda Arendt">Gerda Arendt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gerda_Arendt" title="User talk:Gerda Arendt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Gerda_Arendt-20241119161000-cand_q" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241119161000-cand_q"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gerda_Arendt-20241119161000-cand_q"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Explicit–Liz" data-mw-thread-id="h-Explicit–Liz-20241121220300"><span id="Explicit.E2.80.93Liz"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Explicit–Liz-20241121220300"></span>Explicit–Liz<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Explicit–Liz-20241121220300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: Explicit–Liz"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121220300-Explicit–Liz"></span>I don't think that thread is ready for closure. Maybe the immediate issue has been dealt with, but (per <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1258830039" title="Special:Diff/1258830039">my comment a short while ago</a>) it's a sign of a broader problem that really needs to be dealt with—the conflict's been dragging on for years, and if it isn't addressed, someday it's going to result in a block or desysop, which is the worst possible outcome for everyone. <a href="/wiki/User:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User:Extraordinary Writ">Extraordinary Writ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User talk:Extraordinary Writ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121220300-Explicit–Liz" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121220300-Explicit–Liz"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121220300-Explicit–Liz"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121221500-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121220300"></span>I guess I think, given the various mitigating factors, that nothing concrete was going to come of this. The egregious personal attack and the confusion/lack of information regarding the supressed content make it extremely unlikely. Technically, no discussion should be had, ever, on-wiki regarding supressed content. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121221500-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121220300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121221500-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121220300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121221500-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121220300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121222500-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121221500"></span>Perhaps that's true for the wheel-warring/suppression, but the point I was trying to make in my comment was that the problem goes well beyond the most recent incident—and I think that point deserves engagement rather than a closure 20 minutes later. <a href="/wiki/User:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User:Extraordinary Writ">Extraordinary Writ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Extraordinary_Writ" title="User talk:Extraordinary Writ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121222500-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121221500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121222500-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121221500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121222500-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121221500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121225100-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121222500"></span>I see the diffs you posted, but even without them, it is obvious to anyone who just read that single thread that these two don't get along and have not for some time. Absent any sort of explicit proposal I'm afraid I really don't see the point. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121225100-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121222500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121225100-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121222500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121225100-Extraordinary_Writ-20241121222500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Newyorkbrad-20241121225600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121225100"></span>I suggest waiting to see if the issue continues before anyone makes an explicit proposal, or even an Explicit proposal. <a href="/wiki/User:Newyorkbrad" title="User:Newyorkbrad">Newyorkbrad</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Newyorkbrad" title="User talk:Newyorkbrad">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Newyorkbrad-20241121225600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121225100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Newyorkbrad-20241121225600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121225100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Newyorkbrad-20241121225600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121225100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121230100-Newyorkbrad-20241121225600"></span>I really enjoy how much likelier you are to comment on a subject if you can sneak in a cheap pun.</dd> <dd>And I agree, I think this thread was a shot across the bow to both of them to cut this out. Let's see if they abide by that. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121230100-Newyorkbrad-20241121225600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121230100-Newyorkbrad-20241121225600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241121230100-Newyorkbrad-20241121225600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question_re_that_ANI_discussion_just_now" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_re_that_ANI_discussion_just_now-20241123210400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_re_that_ANI_discussion_just_now-20241123210400"></span>Question re that ANI discussion just now<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_re_that_ANI_discussion_just_now-20241123210400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Question re that ANI discussion just now"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-City_of_Silver-20241123210400-Question_re_that_ANI_discussion_just_now"></span>I thought about leaving Tercer a first-and-only NPA warning for <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1259180525" title="Special:Diff/1259180525">the message they left shortly before you closed that</a> although if I were an admin, it would have been enough for me to block them. You're obviously right that a discussion needs to happen but I can't imagine it going anywhere as long one editor feels comfortable telling another "<i>you don't know anything</i>" and whatever else. Thoughts? <b style="font-family: Segoe Script;"><i><a href="/wiki/User:City_of_Silver" title="User:City of Silver"><span style="color:#BC49A6">City</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:City_of_Silver" title="User talk:City of Silver"><span style="color:Green"> o</span><span style="color:Red">f </span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/City_of_Silver" title="Special:Contributions/City of Silver"><span style="color:#708090">Silver</span></a></i></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-City_of_Silver-20241123210400-Question_re_that_ANI_discussion_just_now" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-City_of_Silver-20241123210400-Question_re_that_ANI_discussion_just_now"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-City_of_Silver-20241123210400-Question_re_that_ANI_discussion_just_now"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123211300-City_of_Silver-20241123210400"></span>That's a fair point, I've added a bit on that specifically to the closing message. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123211300-City_of_Silver-20241123210400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123211300-City_of_Silver-20241123210400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241123211300-City_of_Silver-20241123210400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You've_got_mail!" data-mw-thread-id="h-You've_got_mail!-20241124000300"><span id="You.27ve_got_mail.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You've_got_mail!-20241124000300"></span>You've got mail!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You've_got_mail!-20241124000300"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: You've got mail!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liz-20241124000300-You've_got_mail!"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256396942"> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/40px-Mail-message-new.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/60px-Mail-message-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/80px-Mail-message-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Just Step Sideways. Please check your email; you've got mail! <br/><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can <span class="noprint plainlinks" title="Edit {{{1}}}"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit">remove this notice</a></span> at any time by removing the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:You%27ve_got_mail" title="Template:You've got mail">You've got mail</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ygm" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ygm">ygm</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template.</span></div> <p><span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Liz" title="User:Liz"><i><b>L</b></i>iz</a></span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Liz" title="Special:Contributions/Liz"><i><b>Read!</b></i></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liz" title="User talk:Liz"><i><b>Talk!</b></i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Liz-20241124000300-You've_got_mail!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liz-20241124000300-You've_got_mail!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liz-20241124000300-You've_got_mail!"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Another_article_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_article_for_deletion-20241124020500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_article_for_deletion-20241124020500"></span>Another article for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_article_for_deletion-20241124020500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Another article for deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JoJo_Anthrax-20241124020500-Another_article_for_deletion"></span>Regarding the deletion of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_UFOs&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Timeline of UFOs (page does not exist)">Timeline of UFOs</a>, shortly after the AfD was initiated it was moved from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Timeline_of_Ufology&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Timeline of Ufology (page does not exist)">Timeline of Ufology</a> (see <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1257391097">here</a>). The latter article has not been deleted, and even retains the original AfD notice. Probably a 'feature' of the Wikipedia deletion software, but it and its Talk page also need to be deleted. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:JoJo_Anthrax" title="User:JoJo Anthrax">JoJo Anthrax</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JoJo_Anthrax" title="User talk:JoJo Anthrax">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-JoJo_Anthrax-20241124020500-Another_article_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JoJo_Anthrax-20241124020500-Another_article_for_deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JoJo_Anthrax-20241124020500-Another_article_for_deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124021300-JoJo_Anthrax-20241124020500"></span>Huh, I thought the XFD closer would handle that but I guess not. I'll zap it now. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124021300-JoJo_Anthrax-20241124020500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124021300-JoJo_Anthrax-20241124020500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124021300-JoJo_Anthrax-20241124020500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""I_don't_think_I've_ever_actually_seen_that_before."" data-mw-thread-id="h-"I_don't_think_I've_ever_actually_seen_that_before."-20241124060800"><span id=".22I_don.27t_think_I.27ve_ever_actually_seen_that_before..22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"I_don't_think_I've_ever_actually_seen_that_before."-20241124060800"></span>"I don't think I've ever actually seen that before."<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"I_don't_think_I've_ever_actually_seen_that_before."-20241124060800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: "I don't think I've ever actually seen that before.""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241124060800-"I_don't_think_I've_ever_actually_seen_that_before.""></span>About <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Extended_confirmed&curid=50059964&diff=1259238186&oldid=1259235842">this</a>. There was also <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Extended_confirmed&oldid=1255974652#User:QuantumResearchIsCool">this</a> a few weeks ago for interest. It seems it happens, but I don't know how often. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Sean.hoyland-20241124060800-"I_don't_think_I've_ever_actually_seen_that_before."" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241124060800-"I_don't_think_I've_ever_actually_seen_that_before.""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20241124060800-"I_don't_think_I've_ever_actually_seen_that_before.""></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bradv-20241124063900-Sean.hoyland-20241124060800"></span>I'm fairly sure those are both the same person, fwiw. – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bradv" title="User talk:Bradv"><span style="color:#333"><b>brad<i>v</i></b></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Bradv-20241124063900-Sean.hoyland-20241124060800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bradv-20241124063900-Sean.hoyland-20241124060800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bradv-20241124063900-Sean.hoyland-20241124060800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124081800-Bradv-20241124063900"></span>Prety weak to not realize that's never going to work, but I've given up being sursrised at such things, <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124081800-Bradv-20241124063900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124081800-Bradv-20241124063900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241124081800-Bradv-20241124063900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241124094200-Bradv-20241124063900"></span>I hope you are right. Apart from being quite funny, it means Wikipedia gets a free RFP testing service and everyone gets to watch if they can figure out how to find a method that works. <a href="/wiki/User:Sean.hoyland" title="User:Sean.hoyland">Sean.hoyland</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sean.hoyland" title="User talk:Sean.hoyland">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Sean.hoyland-20241124094200-Bradv-20241124063900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sean.hoyland-20241124094200-Bradv-20241124063900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sean.hoyland-20241124094200-Bradv-20241124063900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce_processing" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce_processing-20241125003000"><span id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FDarius_J._Pearce_processing"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce_processing-20241125003000"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darius J. Pearce">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darius J. Pearce</a> processing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce_processing-20241125003000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darius J. Pearce processing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-20241125003000-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce_processing"></span>There are a few talkpage archives still lingering.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Darius+J.+Pearce&namespace=1">[4]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-DMacks-20241125003000-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce_processing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-20241125003000-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce_processing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-20241125003000-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darius_J._Pearce_processing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125010300-DMacks-20241125003000"></span>Good catch, zapped them all. Darn nonstandard talk page numbering. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125010300-DMacks-20241125003000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125010300-DMacks-20241125003000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125010300-DMacks-20241125003000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DMacks-20241125010800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125010300"></span>Thanks for the quick fix! <a href="/wiki/User:DMacks" title="User:DMacks">DMacks</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DMacks" title="User talk:DMacks">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-DMacks-20241125010800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125010300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DMacks-20241125010800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125010300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DMacks-20241125010800-Just_Step_Sideways-20241125010300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta-20241126024900"><span id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FPonytail_canasta"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta-20241126024900"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ponytail canasta">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ponytail canasta</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta-20241126024900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ponytail canasta"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jclemens-20241126024900-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta"></span>Why delete? There's a clear consensus that it exists, just not that it's notable. That's the perfect sort of situation for a redirect or merge. The only argument against a redirect or merge--it's not mentioned at the target--is a very surmountable problem. ATDs, by policy, should be prioritized over deletion, even when there's a strong consensus against retaining an article in its current form. <a href="/wiki/User:Jclemens" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Jclemens-20241126024900-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jclemens-20241126024900-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jclemens-20241126024900-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ponytail_canasta"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241126044000-Jclemens-20241126024900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Jclemens" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> <small>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> To be honest, I'm wondering why it was closed after there were two !votes that technically disagreed with each other instead of relisted. <a href="/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses" title="User:I dream of horses">I dream of horses</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_dream_of_horses" title="Special:Contributions/I dream of horses">(Hoofprints)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:I_dream_of_horses" title="User talk:I dream of horses">(Neigh at me)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-I_dream_of_horses-20241126044000-Jclemens-20241126024900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241126044000-Jclemens-20241126024900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-I_dream_of_horses-20241126044000-Jclemens-20241126024900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400-I_dream_of_horses-20241126044000"></span>I feel like I tried to explain this when making the close. Despite the differing perspectives on what it meant, I did see a consensus that it was not notable and there were no sources. I do not believe that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ATD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ATD">ATD</a> mandates that we <i>must</i> do a redirect in such circumstances. There's not really anything we can say without a single reliable source. The lack of reliable sourcing strongly suggests this is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MADEUP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MADEUP">MADEUP</a>, or at best almost totally unknown even to players otherwise familiar with canasta. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400-I_dream_of_horses-20241126044000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400-I_dream_of_horses-20241126044000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400-I_dream_of_horses-20241126044000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jclemens-20241127071500-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400"></span>If you want to infer that it's made up, then I recommend you do your own BEFORE-like search before making such a supposition the basis for any action. There used to be a strain of thought that would excoriate closers for doing this, but I strongly encourage it: I believe it's the best way to see for yourself whether the !votes are reasonable. As I noted in the AfD, I saw stuff with the "ponytal canasta" name in it all over the Internet: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">A quick survey of google, gnews, and gbooks shows there are plenty of references to this to verify it exists, even though I see nothing to suggest it is notable.</q> For example, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.amazon.com/Ponytail-Canasta-Score-Sheets-Notebook/dp/B09917QQMZ">This</a> shows that there are out-of-print scoresheets for this variant that were sold by and reviewed on Amazon as late as mid-2022. Definitely doesn't contribute to notability, but just as definitely shows--especially with all the other NN ghits--that this isn't MADEUP, even if I can't support any argument of notability. <a href="/wiki/User:Jclemens" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Jclemens-20241127071500-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jclemens-20241127071500-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jclemens-20241127071500-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jclemens-20241127071600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400"></span>Oh, and one thing: an entry in an already notable article doesn't need an RS suitable for notability, just one able to satisfy V, which non-controversial SPS'es can do just fine. <a href="/wiki/User:Jclemens" title="User:Jclemens">Jclemens</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jclemens" title="User talk:Jclemens">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Jclemens-20241127071600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jclemens-20241127071600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jclemens-20241127071600-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126181400"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="UAA" data-mw-thread-id="h-UAA-20241126190000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-UAA-20241126190000"></span>UAA<span data-mw-comment-end="h-UAA-20241126190000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: UAA"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749-20241126190000-UAA"></span>Hey since you are around, can you check if the edits this <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=108.5.196.213">this ip</a> was trying to make at UAA was a valid report? An user warned them on their talk page, but, like me, the user cannot actually see what the edits were and I have tried reporting some accounts before and being disallowed by a filter because the username was bad.<br/> This is also the IP that made the extensive (unsigned) report that you just removed (so it's probably related to that...). – <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749">2804:F1...1F:8749</a> (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32" title="Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32">::/32</a>) (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749" title="User talk:2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749-20241126190000-UAA" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749-20241126190000-UAA"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749-20241126190000-UAA"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126193700-2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749-20241126190000"></span>Looks like they were trying to comment on that report and kept tripping multiple edit filters designed to stop LTAs. <a href="/wiki/User:Just_Step_Sideways" title="User:Just Step Sideways">Just Step Sideways</a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><sup>from this world ..... today</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126193700-2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749-20241126190000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126193700-2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749-20241126190000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241126193700-2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749-20241126190000"></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&oldid=1259822580">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Just_Step_Sideways&oldid=1259822580</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 27 November 2024, at 07:16<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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