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class="mw-redirectedfrom">(Redirected from <a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Directory_of_Properties&redirect=no" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Directory of Properties">Talk:Directory of Properties</a>)</span></div> <div id="contentSub2"></div> <div id="jump-to-nav"></div> <a class="mw-jump-link" href="#mw-head">Jump to navigation</a> <a class="mw-jump-link" href="#searchInput">Jump to search</a> <div id="mw-content-text" class="mw-body-content mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="mw-parser-output"><p><font size="+4" color="#FF0080">Attention: Do not open properties without experience in this business and without checking the Directory of Properties!</font> </p> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none" /><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Welcome_on_the_page_for_Property_proposals_and_debates"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Welcome on the page for Property proposals and debates</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Nobilitierung"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Nobilitierung</span></a> <ul> <li class="toclevel-2 tocsection-3"><a href="#Property_f眉r_das_Datum_der_Nobilitierung_Property:P394"><span class="tocnumber">2.1</span> <span class="toctext">Property f眉r das Datum der Nobilitierung Property:P394</span></a></li> </ul> </li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#枚rtliche_Zust盲ndigkeit_(P450)"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">枚rtliche Zust盲ndigkeit (P450)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#divorce"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">divorce</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#New_Property:_Collegiate_church"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">New Property: Collegiate church</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Milit盲rische_Angaben"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">Milit盲rische Angaben</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Link_real_estate_and_street"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Link real estate and street</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Gesellschafter"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Gesellschafter</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Wissens-Aggregator_Mittelalter_und_Fr眉he_Neuzeit_ID"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Wissens-Aggregator Mittelalter und Fr眉he Neuzeit ID</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#PRELIB_database_identifiers"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">PRELIB database identifiers</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Regesta_Imperii_(RI)_ID"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Regesta Imperii (RI) ID</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#ISNI_ID"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">ISNI ID</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Orden_ID"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">Orden ID</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#depicts_Iconclass_notation_property"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext"><i>depicts Iconclass notation</i> property</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#based_on_heuristic"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">based on heuristic</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#"Siglum"--property"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">"Siglum"--property</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Work_period_properties"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">Work period properties</span></a></li> </ul> </div> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Welcome_on_the_page_for_Property_proposals_and_debates">Welcome on the page for Property proposals and debates</span></h2> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/w/index.php?title=Special:ListProperties/&limit=500&offset=0">List of Properties</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Special:NewProperty" title="Special:NewProperty">Special:NewProperty</a></li></ul> <p>New Properties should be discussed and made public on this page. We have to make sure that they are well connected (with P8 statements as given in brackets in the <a href="/wiki/FactGrid:Directory_of_Properties" title="FactGrid:Directory of Properties">FactGrid:Directory of Properties</a>), so that others will begin to use them as well. As a general guideline FactGrid should welcome experiments. We are a platform for research and we should encourage new questions and new solutions to problems (which will not save us from the dilemma that we will always be able to make a statement in more than one way - and in the bad case without being able to run interesting searches on this statement in the end). --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 13:52, 17 December 2019 (CET) </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Nobilitierung">Nobilitierung</span></h2> <p>Olaf, wo Du gerade bei Martens warst, mE fehlt wohl die pers枚nliche "Auszeichnung" durch "Nobiltierung", die in der Konsequenz oft eine mit Datum festzumachende "Namens盲nderung" beinhaltet, wobei die Verleihung wie "Reichsadel" oder "frz." bzw "d盲n." vllt gleich ber眉cksichtigt werden sollte. Hinzu k盲men perspektivisch, wenn auch nicht f眉r Martens die upgrades --> Freiherr oder --> Graf. Sollte aber mE flach und einfach gehalten werden...--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 11:36, 27 December 2019 (CET) </p> <dl><dd>Ist eigentlich alles da, nur von uns noch nicht konsistenter genutzt <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20%3FPropertyLabel%20%3FProperty%20%3FPropertyDescription%20%3Freciprocal%20%3FreciprocalLabel%20%3Fexample%20%3Fuseful_statements%20%3Fwd%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP8%20wd%3AQ77492.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP364%20%3Fexample.%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP86%20%3Freciprocal.%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP343%20%3Fwd.%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP310%20%3Fuseful_statements.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%28%3FPropertyLabel%29">Die Properties zu Namen und Titeln</a>. Wir sollten wohl noch eine Property einrichten f眉r den, der den Titel verleiht, und dann eine Musterperson machen, bei den wir mit Qualifikatoren die Details nennen. <dl><dd>Dieselbe <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20%3FPropertyLabel%20%3FProperty%20%3FPropertyDescription%20%3Freciprocal%20%3FreciprocalLabel%20%3Fexample%20%3Fuseful_statements%20%3Fwd%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22de%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP8%20wd%3AQ77492.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP364%20%3Fexample.%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP86%20%3Freciprocal.%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP343%20%3Fwd.%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FProperty%20wdt%3AP310%20%3Fuseful_statements.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%28%3FPropertyLabel%29">Abfrage auf Deutsch</a>. P26. <dl><dd>Und eine f眉r den Qualifier, wer den Titel verlieh, habe ich aufgemacht.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Mir fehlt irgendwie das "Ereignis" der Nobilitierung als Auszeichnung und Namens盲nderung wie Ordensverleihung (ging ja manchmal hand in hand...)--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 15:00, 27 December 2019 (CET) <dl><dd><dl><dd>Hm, das ist nat眉rlich die edelste Option: Ein Ereignis aufmachen, weil man es dann dokumentieren kann, es datieren kann, es mit Personen ausstatten kann. Wie finden solche Ereignisse statt? Wenn man einfach nur den Adelsbrief zugestellt erh盲lt, dann ist es besser (verlorene) Dokumente aufzumachen (mit Sender, Empf盲nger...). Wenn es aber echte Ereignisse sind, bei denen Leute an Orten aufeinander treffen, dann sollten wir das machen. (Die Frage ist immer: auf welche Suche soll man das finden? Welche Frage m枚chtest Du an die Datenbank stellen, bei der das dann in einer Tabelle oder auf einem Zeitstrahl auftaucht? --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 17:25, 27 December 2019 (CET)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd>Eine Datenbank, bei der man die Fragen vorher kennen muss, ist langweilig... Wir wissen nicht, welche Fragen sich in Zukunft stellen. Und wenn es irgendwo eines Tages klemmt, muss ein Bot die Daten sp盲ter so umgliedern, das es f眉r die neue Frage passt. Derzeit sind wir ganz am Anfang. Da muss doch Property:Nobilitierung mit Item:Reichsadel und Datum:Jahr erstmal gen眉gen.--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 17:44, 27 December 2019 (CET)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Also f眉r die Nobilitierung w眉rde ich in diesem Fall das P26 statement nehemen (<--P26 bezieht sich auf ererbte Titel (daf眉r kann kein Betroffener etwas, das ist so, per Geburt), hier geht es um die Auszeichnung als Verdienst der Person...). Du baust dazu den Titel, der verliehen wird und setzt mit P49 den Startzeitpunkt und mit der neuen P393 den Verleiher. Eine Reichsnobilitierung als Q-Nummer ist ok. Bei der Ordensverleihung w眉眉rdest Du doch wohl auch nur eine P-Nummer f眉r alle m枚glichen Orden aufmachen und dann f眉r jeden denkbare Orden ein Q. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 18:21, 27 December 2019 (CET)</dd></dl></dd> <dd>Du verstehst mich gerade nicht:Bei einfach "von" haben wir keinen Titel, es ist eine Nobiltierung: einfach "von". Also kann ich auch keinen Titel wie Baron, Freiherr, Graf etc dazu zusetzen...--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 19:55, 27 December 2019 (CET)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Hm. Dann lass uns trotzdem nochmal gr眉ndlich 眉ber das beste Modell nachdenken. </p> <ul><li>Mir hat bereits jetzt nie sonderlich gut gefallen, dass wir so etwas wie "von Goethe" als Namen f眉hren. "Goethe" w盲re f眉r das Alphabet besser und k枚nnten wir dann eingehender mit einer zu bauenden Property die Namnspr盲fixe sowie mit <a href="/wiki/Property:P74" title="Property:P74">Property:P74</a> die Namenssuffixe nennen und erkl盲ren - etwa ob ein "von" ein Adelspr盲dikat ist, ob es erblich war, oder ob es nur einen Ortsbezug herstellte - all das k枚nnten wir mit Qualifikatoren zu den Namensinformationen hinzugeben. Dann h盲tten wir die Namen besser auseinandergenommen.</li> <li>Wenn es um die Ehrung der Noblitierung geht, bin ich geneigt <a href="/wiki/Property:P171" title="Property:P171">Property:P171</a> dahingehend zu 枚ffnen, dass ich verschiedene Qs der Noblitierung zulassen kann. Pers枚nliche im Reich, erbliche und so fort. Da kann man dann auch Qs bauen wie Erhebung in den F眉rstenstand und so fort.</li> <li>Vielleicht auch sollten wir die Adelsnamen mit dem von belassen, aber ich stelle automatisch die von-Titel nach, so dass die Alphabete stimmen.</li></ul> <p>Wenn ich eine Property Nobilitierung aufmache, wei脽 ich noch immer nicht, was dann die Qs dazu sein sollen. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 21:39, 27 December 2019 (CET) </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Erstmal nur Datum (im Zweifel Jahr) ggfls mit Quelle und Lit.--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 22:21, 27 December 2019 (CET)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Nur mal so gedacht <a href="/wiki/Item:Q409" title="Item:Q409">Item:Q409</a> - es scheint mir logischer als eine Datums-P aufzumachen. Habe aber auch nichts dagegen, wenn Du sagst dass das besser w盲re... --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 23:41, 27 December 2019 (CET) </p> <h3><span id="Property_f.C3.BCr_das_Datum_der_Nobilitierung_Property:P394"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Property_f眉r_das_Datum_der_Nobilitierung_Property:P394">Property f眉r das Datum der Nobilitierung <a href="/wiki/Property:P394" title="Property:P394">Property:P394</a></span></h3> <p>Bin gespannt wie sich die Property verbreitet und neugierig. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 09:29, 28 December 2019 (CET) </p> <h2><span id=".C3.B6rtliche_Zust.C3.A4ndigkeit_.28P450.29"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="枚rtliche_Zust盲ndigkeit_(P450)"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:P450">枚rtliche Zust盲ndigkeit (P450)</a></span></h2> <p>Ich m枚chte die Eigenschaft "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:P450">geh枚rt zum Zust盲ndigkeitsbereich</a>" vorschlagen. Hier finden Sie dieselbe <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1001">Wikidata-Eigenschaft</a>. Ich m枚chte zum Beispiel solche S盲tze erstellen: </p><p>Das <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Item:Q146313">Statistische Bundesamt</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:P450">geh枚rt zum Zust盲ndigkeitsbereich</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Item:Q140530">Deutschland</a> </p><p>Aber ich darf momentan keine geographischen oder politischen Entit盲ten als Objekt w盲hlen. </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Francesco_Gelati" title="User:Francesco Gelati">Francesco Gelati</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Francesco_Gelati" title="User talk:Francesco Gelati">talk</a>) 12:14, 4 March 2020 (CET) </p> <dl><dd>Juristen unterscheiden in sachliche und 枚rtliche Zust盲ndigkeit. Insofern w眉rde ich eine pr盲zisere Anlehnung an das Gesetz mit Angabe der Zust盲ndigkeitsnorm bevorzugen. Bei zeitlichen --<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 13:04, 4 March 2020 (CET)</dd></dl> <p>Danke f眉r die hilfreiche Nachricht! Gerne k枚nnen wir die zwei Eigenschaften 1) sachliche und 2) 枚rtliche Zust盲ndigkeit erstellen. Der Zeitraum der Zust盲ndigkeit kann dann als "qualifier" ausgedr眉ckt werden. --<a href="/wiki/User:Francesco_Gelati" title="User:Francesco Gelati">Francesco Gelati</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Francesco_Gelati" title="User talk:Francesco Gelati">talk</a>) 13:23, 4 March 2020 (CET) </p><p>Die bestehen bereits: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:P450">枚rtliche Zust盲ndigkeit (P450)</a> und <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:P451">sachliche Zust盲ndigkeit (P451)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Francesco_Gelati" title="User:Francesco Gelati">Francesco Gelati</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Francesco_Gelati" title="User talk:Francesco Gelati">talk</a>) 15:33, 4 March 2020 (CET) </p><p><i>Nach edit-Konflikt'</i> </p> <dl><dd>F眉r die 枚rtliche Zust盲ndigkeit bestand bereits <a href="/wiki/Property:P429" title="Property:P429">Property:P429</a> - ich sehe aber zudem exakt das Problem das Martin sieht, wir brauchen etwas Sinnvolles f眉r die sachliche Zust盲ndigkeit. Ich denke dabei brauchen wir reziproke Optionen. Beides lege ich an als <a href="/wiki/Property:P452" title="Property:P452">Property:P452</a> "Zust盲ndigkeitsbereich" und <a href="/wiki/Property:P453" title="Property:P453">Property:P453</a> "im Zust盲ndigkeitsbereich von". Martin mag gerne legale Definitionen beif眉gen, das geht mit <a href="/wiki/Property:P423" title="Property:P423">Property:P423</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 15:40, 4 March 2020 (CET)</dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Das war jetzt etwas schnell und brachte uns zwei Dubletten. Wobei meine Anlagen diejenigen sind, die in den Registern auftauchen. Lasst uns vorher kurz beraten, ob nicht schon dergleichen im System ist und ob's auch wirklich zuende gedacht ist. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 15:43, 4 March 2020 (CET)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <p>Genau, ich entschuldige mich daf眉r. --<a href="/wiki/User:Francesco_Gelati" title="User:Francesco Gelati">Francesco Gelati</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Francesco_Gelati" title="User talk:Francesco Gelati">talk</a>) 17:29, 4 March 2020 (CET) </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="divorce">divorce</span></h2> <p>What is the best way to give information about a divorce? A proposition would be to create a qualifier "date of divorce" to P84 (married with), but it has the inconvenient to duplicate the information contained in the qualifier P50. Does anyone have a better idea? <a href="/wiki/User:Bruno_Belhoste" title="User:Bruno Belhoste">Bruno Belhoste</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bruno_Belhoste" title="User talk:Bruno Belhoste">talk</a>) 11:19, 2 May 2020 (CEST) </p> <dl><dd>My legal understanding ist, that a marriage ends legally by death or divorce. There are some further ways to get out especially considering church law, but theses are the two main reasons. So, the end is the end, by one or the other reason. And "divorce" is just an explanation, like cause of death... We don't mix there either...--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 12:41, 2 May 2020 (CEST) <dl><dd>What about qualifying it with <a href="/wiki/Property:P464" title="Property:P464">Property:P464</a> and <a href="/wiki/Item:Q153391" title="Item:Q153391">Item:Q153391</a> which I just created. If you want to refer to a specific divorce process you might also create it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 12:57, 2 May 2020 (CEST)</dd> <dd>The thing will have to be a qualifier since it will usually happen on several marriage candidates. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 13:03, 2 May 2020 (CEST)</dd> <dd>Then you should create the Annulment under Canon Law aswell. Thats something we like to forget in the protestant North.--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 13:52, 2 May 2020 (CEST)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="New_Property:_Collegiate_church">New Property: Collegiate church</span></h2> <p>As collegiate churches do not belong to the property monastery it would be useful to have this property for all organisations that are non-monastic communites of clergy, organised as a self-governing corporate body, which may be presided over by a dean or provost. <a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_Kr%C3%B6ger" title="User:Barbara Kr枚ger">Barbara Kr枚ger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barbara_Kr%C3%B6ger" title="User talk:Barbara Kr枚ger">talk</a>) 17:04, 11 May 2020 (CEST) </p><p>-- monastery is not a property but an item (Q141472). You can create a new item for a non-monastic community of clergy, with a statement P3 (subclass of) and Q141464 (religious organization) --<a href="/wiki/User:Bruno_Belhoste" title="User:Bruno Belhoste">Bruno Belhoste</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bruno_Belhoste" title="User talk:Bruno Belhoste">talk</a>) 18:32, 11 May 2020 (CEST) </p> <h2><span id="Milit.C3.A4rische_Angaben"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Milit盲rische_Angaben">Milit盲rische Angaben</span></h2> <p>Zum Ausprobieren w眉rde ich gerne ein paar milit盲rische Quellen aus dem 1. Weltkrieg anlegen. Erster Eintrag ist der zu <a href="/wiki/Item:Q165491" title="Item:Q165491">Hermann Opitz</a>. Hier fehlen mir noch Angaben zum Dienstgrad (Vorschlag: Property <a href="/wiki/Property:P487" title="Property:P487">military rank</a> mit data type Item) und zur Einheit (Vorschlag: Property <a href="/wiki/Property:P488" title="Property:P488">military unit</a> mit data type Item). </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Link_real_estate_and_street">Link real estate and street</span></h2> <p>There should be a property to link real estates (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Item:Q147176" title="Item:Q147176">Liebigstra脽e 2</a>) to streets (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Item:Q147175" title="Item:Q147175">Liebigstra脽e</a>). </p> <dl><dd>and created as <a href="/wiki/Property:P522" title="Property:P522">Property:P522</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 23:10, 14 November 2020 (CET)</dd></dl> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Gesellschafter">Gesellschafter</span></h2> <p>Fehlt. Erforderlich um Teilnehmer/Mitglieder an/von Gesellschaften zu benennen. F眉r die Aktiengesellschaft analog: "Aktion盲r". Und bei Kapitalgesellschaften f眉r die Organe "GmbH-Gesch盲ftsf眉hrer", "Vorstand" und "Aufsichtsrat" im wesentlichen f眉r AG, aber offen halten f眉r andere Verwendungen.--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 11:14, 17 February 2021 (CET) </p> <dl><dd>Und "Firma" f眉r den registerlich eingetragenen Namen des Kaufmanns (bzw. der Gesellschaft) im Handelsverkehr...--<a href="/wiki/User:Martin_Gollasch" title="User:Martin Gollasch">Martin Gollasch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martin_Gollasch" title="User talk:Martin Gollasch">talk</a>) 11:23, 17 February 2021 (CET) <dl><dd>Gesellschafter bestand schon mit <a href="/wiki/Property:P191" title="Property:P191">Property:P191</a> und dem Musterunternehmen <a href="/wiki/Item:Q22822" title="Item:Q22822">Item:Q22822</a> ist aber nicht exakt genutzt worden, bef眉rchte ich... Ich brauche f眉r das ganze set gute Label in beiden Sprachen und klarer Beschreibungen in beiden Sprachen, auch Aliasses, so dass nachher alle wissen, was wo zu nutzen ist. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 12:21, 17 February 2021 (CET)</dd> <dd>Bei Aktion盲r werden wir irgendwie pr盲ziser sein m眉ssen, da es ja entsetzlich viele Kleinaktion盲re auf dem Markt gibt.</dd> <dd>Bei Gesch盲ftsf眉hrer wei脽 ich nicht, ob wir es nicht offener halten sollten (auch das Forschungszentrum Gotha hat einen solchen)</dd> <dd>Bei Firma br盲uchte ich eine klare Anleitung unter welchen Items die Property verwendet werden soll und auf was f眉r eine Gruppe von Items sie verweisen soll. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 13:49, 17 February 2021 (CET)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2><span id="Wissens-Aggregator_Mittelalter_und_Fr.C3.BChe_Neuzeit_ID"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Wissens-Aggregator_Mittelalter_und_Fr眉he_Neuzeit_ID">Wissens-Aggregator Mittelalter und Fr眉he Neuzeit ID</span></h2> <p>Wir w眉rden gerne f眉r den Bereich External Identifiers eine neue Property vorschlagen: Wissens-Aggregator Mittelalter und Fr眉he Neuzeit ID. Die entsprechende ID gibt es bereits in der Wikidata (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P9441">https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P9441</a>). Hier in FactGrid w眉rden wir zun盲chst systematisch mit der Wissensaggregator ID die gerade ver枚ffentlichten Datenbanken (<a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://wiag-vocab.adw-goe.de/">https://wiag-vocab.adw-goe.de/</a>) und deren Normdaten f眉r Bist眉mer des HRR verlinken. --<a href="/wiki/User:Barbara_Kr%C3%B6ger" title="User:Barbara Kr枚ger">Barbara Kr枚ger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barbara_Kr%C3%B6ger" title="User talk:Barbara Kr枚ger">talk</a>) 10:09, 20 April 2021 (CET) </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="PRELIB_database_identifiers">PRELIB database identifiers</span></h2> <p>Hello, I suggest the creation of two properties to edit the identifiers of the people and organizations of the PRELIB (Projet de recherche en litt茅rature de langue bretonne) database. The two properties would be equivalent to the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P5641">PRELIB person ID (P5641)</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6696">PRELIB organization ID (P6696)</a> Wikidata properties. </p> <dl><dd>and created as <a href="/wiki/Property:P763" title="Property:P763">Property:P763</a> and <a href="/wiki/Property:P764" title="Property:P764">Property:P764</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 09:35, 14 June 2022 (CEST)</dd></dl> <p>Hello, I also suggest the creation of properties to edit the PRELIB identifiers of cities (for instance, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mshb.huma-num.fr/prelib/ville/743/">Torquay</a>), works (for instance, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mshb.huma-num.fr/prelib/oeuvre/2946/">Iaouankiz Kemper ha tro var dro</a>), editions (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mshb.huma-num.fr/prelib/edition/2327/">Iaouankiz Kemper ha tro var dro</a>), archival documents (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mshb.huma-num.fr/prelib/documentarchive/840/">Lettre de Claude Rivals 脿 Pierre-Jakez H茅lias</a>), periodics (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mshb.huma-num.fr/prelib/revue/63/">Al Liamm</a>) and collectives (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://mshb.huma-num.fr/prelib/collectif/588/">Ren茅 Godfroy Editeur</a>). Thank you, </p> <dl><dd>and created P807, 809-813. Can I ask you to give descriptions in French and English? I'll do the German. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 12:47, 30 August 2022 (CEST) <dl><dd>Thank you. I edited the descriptions. Sorry but I made a mistake. There is no need to create <a href="/wiki/Property:P813" title="Property:P813">Property:P813</a> as <a href="/wiki/Property:P764" title="Property:P764">Property:P764</a> already exists. Should I merge them ? <dl><dd>There is no property merging (would actually be a useful feature. May be I'll just rename it as it has not been used yet. No problem. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 14:57, 30 August 2022 (CEST)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2><span id="Regesta_Imperii_.28RI.29_ID"></span><span class="mw-headline" id="Regesta_Imperii_(RI)_ID">Regesta Imperii (RI) ID</span></h2> <p>As "RI ID", Analogous to <a href="/wiki/Property:P517" title="Property:P517">Property:P517</a> for the RAG. Created as <a href="/wiki/Property:P791" title="Property:P791">Property:P791</a>. </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Scheint gut gelaufen (Anf盲ngerfehler w盲re Wahl des falschen Datentyps gewesen - und Fehler nicht gemacht). External IDs immer anlegen, wenn sie fehlen. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 22:18, 11 August 2022 (CEST)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="ISNI_ID">ISNI ID</span></h2> <p>Hello, I suggest the creation of a new ISNI ID property (International Standard Name Identifier for an identity) equivalent to <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P213" class="extiw" title="wikidata:Property:P213">wikidata:Property:P213</a>. Thank you; </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>And done <a href="/wiki/Property:P821" title="Property:P821">Property:P821</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 16:53, 3 October 2022 (CEST) <dl><dd>Thank you, Olaf 17:01, 3 October 2022 (CEST)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Orden_ID">Orden ID</span></h2> <p>I suggest to add a property for the Vocabulary of Religious Orders of the Germania Sacra Base-URL: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://uri.gbv.de/terminology/germania_sacra_wiag_orden">http://uri.gbv.de/terminology/germania_sacra_wiag_orden</a> </p> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="depicts_Iconclass_notation_property"><i>depicts Iconclass notation</i> property</span></h2> <p>Following the creation of <a href="/wiki/Property:P980" title="Property:P980">Property:P980</a>, equiv. to Wikidata's <i>Iconclass notation</i> P1256 to declare that an item is equivalent to an iconclass concept. I suggest the creation of a property equivalent to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P1257">P1257</a> which enables to declare the Iconclass code depicted in an artwork. </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Created as <a href="/wiki/Property:P986" title="Property:P986">Property:P986</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 11:13, 19 October 2023 (CEST) <dl><dd>Hello Olav, The Formatter URL of <a href="/wiki/Property:P986" title="Property:P986">Property:P986</a> is not working (e.g. <a href="/wiki/Item:Q636347" title="Item:Q636347">item:Q636347</a> with P986 = 49L643, which does not link to <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://iconclass.org/49L643">http://iconclass.org/49L643</a>). May be <a href="/wiki/Property:P986" title="Property:P986">Property:P986</a> should be of type External Identifier rather than String? <a href="/wiki/User:Jean-Baptiste_Pressac" title="User:Jean-Baptiste Pressac">Jean-Baptiste Pressac</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jean-Baptiste_Pressac" title="User talk:Jean-Baptiste Pressac">talk</a>) 14:26, 23 October 2023 (CEST)</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="based_on_heuristic">based on heuristic</span></h2> <p>i would like to propose a new property <i>based on heuristic</i> similar to <a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P887" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P887">d:Property:P887</a>. this could be used, e.g. on <a href="/wiki/Item:Q876407" title="Item:Q876407">Item:Q876407</a> to model the "source" or better say the determination method of the sex/gender statement. Thanks in advance, <a href="/wiki/User:Christian_Erlinger" title="User:Christian Erlinger">Christian Erlinger</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Christian_Erlinger" title="User talk:Christian Erlinger">talk</a>) 11:37, 15 March 2024 (CET) </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Have not seen this. Is it what we are doing with <a href="/wiki/Property:P196" title="Property:P196">Property:P196</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 20:54, 6 February 2025 (CET)</dd></dl></dd></dl> <h2><span id=".22Siglum.22--property"></span><span class="mw-headline" id=""Siglum"--property">"Siglum"--property</span></h2> <p>I propose a String property for the designation of manuscripts in certain scholarly fields, for example, the sigla of Greek manuscripts used for the Septuagint version of the Bible (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint_manuscripts#:~:text=4%20References-,Classification,census%20of%20Holmes%20and%20Parsons.">Septuagint manuscripts</a>). The property could also be used to designate manuscripts used in scholarly editions.<a href="/wiki/User:Charles_Faulhaber" title="User:Charles Faulhaber">Charles Faulhaber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charles_Faulhaber" title="User talk:Charles Faulhaber">talk</a>) 17:54, 5 February 2025 (CET) </p> <ul><li>Olaf proposed using P1266 (Abbreviation) with a Universal Language datatype, as in Wikidata, since abbreviations are not language-specific. <a href="/wiki/User:Charles_Faulhaber" title="User:Charles Faulhaber">Charles Faulhaber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charles_Faulhaber" title="User talk:Charles Faulhaber">talk</a>) 22:23, 6 February 2025 (CET)</li></ul> <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Work_period_properties">Work period properties</span></h2> <p>I propose two new properties, for the beginning and end of a work period: Work period (start), based on Wikidata [<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2031">Work period (start)</a>] and Work period (end), Wikidata [<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2032">Work period (end)</a>]. These are two complementary properties that take the datatype Point in time. They correspond to Latin "Floruit ab" and "Floruit ad" to indicate the period when an individual was known to be active but whose birth and death dates are not known <a href="/wiki/User:Charles_Faulhaber" title="User:Charles Faulhaber">Charles Faulhaber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charles_Faulhaber" title="User talk:Charles Faulhaber">talk</a>) 20:10, 6 February 2025 (CET) </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Property:P290" title="Property:P290">Property:P290</a> / <a href="/wiki/Property:P291" title="Property:P291">Property:P291</a> should do that job. --<a href="/wiki/User:Olaf_Simons" title="User:Olaf Simons">Olaf Simons</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Olaf_Simons" title="User talk:Olaf Simons">talk</a>) 21:31, 6 February 2025 (CET)</li> <li>Agreed <a href="/wiki/User:Charles_Faulhaber" title="User:Charles Faulhaber">Charles Faulhaber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Charles_Faulhaber" title="User talk:Charles Faulhaber">talk</a>) 22:23, 6 February 2025 (CET)</li></ul>    </div> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://database.factgrid.de/w/index.php?title=FactGrid_talk:Directory_of_Properties&oldid=10399144">https://database.factgrid.de/w/index.php?title=FactGrid_talk:Directory_of_Properties&oldid=10399144</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </div> <div id="mw-navigation"> <h2>Navigation menu</h2> <div id="mw-head"> <nav id="p-personal" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-personal vector-user-menu-legacy" aria-labelledby="p-personal-label" role="navigation" > <h3 id="p-personal-label" class="vector-menu-heading " > <span class="vector-menu-heading-label">Personal tools</span> </h3> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"><li id="pt-uls" class="mw-list-item active"><a class="uls-trigger" href="#"><span>English</span></a></li><li id="pt-login" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=FactGrid+talk%3ADirectory+of+Properties" title="You are encouraged to log in; however, it is not mandatory [o]" accesskey="o"><span>Log in</span></a></li></ul> </div> </nav> <div id="left-navigation"> <nav id="p-namespaces" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-namespaces vector-menu-tabs vector-menu-tabs-legacy" aria-labelledby="p-namespaces-label" role="navigation" > <h3 id="p-namespaces-label" class="vector-menu-heading " > <span class="vector-menu-heading-label">Namespaces</span> </h3> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"><li id="ca-nstab-project" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/FactGrid:Directory_of_Properties" title="View the project page [a]" accesskey="a"><span>Project page</span></a></li><li id="ca-talk" class="selected mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/FactGrid_talk:Directory_of_Properties" rel="discussion" title="Discussion about the content page [t]" accesskey="t"><span>Discussion</span></a></li></ul> </div> </nav> <nav id="p-variants" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-variants emptyPortlet vector-menu-dropdown" aria-labelledby="p-variants-label" role="navigation" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-variants-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-variants" class="vector-menu-checkbox" aria-labelledby="p-variants-label" /> <label id="p-variants-label" aria-label="Change language variant" class="vector-menu-heading " > <span class="vector-menu-heading-label">English</span> </label> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"></ul> </div> </nav> </div> <div id="right-navigation"> <nav id="p-views" class="vector-menu mw-portlet mw-portlet-views vector-menu-tabs vector-menu-tabs-legacy" aria-labelledby="p-views-label" role="navigation" > <h3 id="p-views-label" class="vector-menu-heading " > <span class="vector-menu-heading-label">Views</span> </h3> <div class="vector-menu-content"> <ul class="vector-menu-content-list"><li id="ca-view" class="selected mw-list-item"><a href="/wiki/FactGrid_talk:Directory_of_Properties"><span>Read</span></a></li><li id="ca-viewsource" class="mw-list-item"><a href="/w/index.php?title=FactGrid_talk:Directory_of_Properties&action=edit" title="This page is protected.
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