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<h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading mw-first-heading"><span class="mw-page-title-namespace">User talk</span><span class="mw-page-title-separator">:</span><span class="mw-page-title-main">Timtrent</span></h1> <div id="p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown mw-portlet mw-portlet-lang mw-portlet-lang-icon-only" > <input type="checkbox" id="p-lang-btn-checkbox" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" data-event-name="ui.dropdown-p-lang-btn" class="vector-dropdown-checkbox mw-interlanguage-selector-empty" aria-label="This article exist only in this language. 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For accurate time please <span class="noprint plainlinks purgelink"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&action=purge"><span title="Purge this page"><b>purge</b></span></a></span> the page </td></tr></tbody></table> <table style="border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: #f8f9fa; width: 80%; margin: 0 auto 1em; padding: 0.2em;"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center"> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Diamond-caution.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Diamond-caution.png/50px-Diamond-caution.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Diamond-caution.png 1.5x" data-file-width="60" data-file-height="60"/></a></span> </p> </td> <td align="center"> <p><b>I do not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RPA">remove personal attacks</a> directed at me from this page. 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Sections older than <b>7 days</b> may be automatically archived by <span class="nowraplinks"><a href="/wiki/User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III" title="User:Lowercase sigmabot III">Lowercase sigmabot III</a></span>.</td></tr> </tbody></table> <p><i>In the event that what you seek is not here then it is archived (0.9 probability). While you are welcome to potter through the archives the meaning of life is not there.</i> </p> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AFC_Review" data-mw-thread-id="h-AFC_Review-20241116204600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AFC_Review-20241116204600"></span>AFC Review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AFC_Review-20241116204600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: AFC Review"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tesleemah-20241116204600-AFC_Review"></span>Hello! I am inclined to accept this <a href="/wiki/Draft:David_Zeitlyn" class="mw-redirect" title="Draft:David Zeitlyn">draft</a> seeing they are a professor and they got some awards, however I see there are a lots of issues in this article too. This is why I am seeking a second opinion before making a decision. Kindly check it out and let me know your view <a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tesleemah" title="User talk:Tesleemah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Tesleemah-20241116204600-AFC_Review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tesleemah-20241116204600-AFC_Review"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tesleemah-20241116204600-AFC_Review"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241116205000-Tesleemah-20241116204600"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> With academics I look primarily at the quality of their professorship. The UK rarely has named chairs for professors, so I use judgement. In this case I agree with yours. The article certainly stands a better than 50% chance of surviving an immediate deletion request. Accept at your leisure! Or fast! Or at medium speed.</dd> <dd>After acceptance I check for orphan-ness, and also tend to ask for improvement of the categories 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241116205000-Tesleemah-20241116204600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241116205000-Tesleemah-20241116204600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241116205000-Tesleemah-20241116204600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tesleemah-20241116205200-Timtrent-20241116205000"></span>Alright, Thank you for your view <a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tesleemah" title="User talk:Tesleemah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Tesleemah-20241116205200-Timtrent-20241116205000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:52, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tesleemah-20241116205200-Timtrent-20241116205000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tesleemah-20241116205200-Timtrent-20241116205000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241116205500-Tesleemah-20241116205200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> I try very hard, even if a draft is borderline, to accept it. I mean <i>any</i> draft. It's a useful discipline to acquire, sometimes hard to do. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241116205500-Tesleemah-20241116205200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241116205500-Tesleemah-20241116205200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241116205500-Tesleemah-20241116205200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tesleemah-20241116205800-Timtrent-20241116205500"></span>I agree so far they meet the notability guide, minor improvement can still be done. I don't want to be in haste earlier and this is why I seek a second opinion. I'm glad you caught that early! <a href="/wiki/User:Tesleemah" title="User:Tesleemah">Tesleemah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tesleemah" title="User talk:Tesleemah">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Tesleemah-20241116205800-Timtrent-20241116205500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tesleemah-20241116205800-Timtrent-20241116205500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tesleemah-20241116205800-Timtrent-20241116205500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_article-20241118154200"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_article-20241118154200"></span>Carmarthen Bay Ferries article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_article-20241118154200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Carmarthen Bay Ferries article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pancakefarm-20241118154200-Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_article"></span>Hi TimTrent, <a href="/wiki/Draft:Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_Community_Interest_Company" title="Draft:Carmarthen Bay Ferries Community Interest Company">Draft Page</a> Thanks for your assistance recently, it is appreciated. I have made changes as below: </p><p>• Removed links to external sites within the main body of the article and used them as references/citations at the base of the page. </p><p>• I have added organisational structure, stating that directors and not in receipt of payment. </p><p>You had mentioned a potential copyright issue using the company logo on the article, when the company was created the chair registered it as a trademark, please could you guide me as to what I need to do in order that the logo is acceptable in the article. </p><p>I rather hope that this is an improvement from the first submission, but as always any further comment on the likelyhood of the page being accepted would be excellent! </p><p>Thanks in advance, </p><p>Pancakefarm. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Pancakefarm" title="User:Pancakefarm">Pancakefarm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pancakefarm" title="User talk:Pancakefarm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Pancakefarm-20241118154200-Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pancakefarm-20241118154200-Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pancakefarm-20241118154200-Carmarthen_Bay_Ferries_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119001100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119001100"></span>ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message-20241119001100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="ivmbox" style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: #fdf2d5; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center;"> <div class="ivmbox-image noresize" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001100-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Scale_of_justice_2.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/40px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="41" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/60px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Scale_of_justice_2.svg/80px-Scale_of_justice_2.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="204" data-file-height="208"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>Hello! 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If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:NoACEMM" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:NoACEMM">NoACEMM</a>}}</code> to your user talk page. <small><a href="/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User:MediaWiki message delivery">MediaWiki message delivery</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_message_delivery" title="User talk:MediaWiki message delivery">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001100-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001100-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119001100-ArbCom_2024_Elections_voter_message"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)" data-mw-thread-id="h-About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)-20241122053900"><span id="About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_.28Eleanna_Fin.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)-20241122053900"></span>About Draft of <a href="/wiki/Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)" title="Draft:Eleanna Finokalioti (Eleanna Fin)">Draft:Eleanna Finokalioti (Eleanna Fin)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)-20241122053900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: About Draft of Draft:Eleanna Finokalioti (Eleanna Fin)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122053900-About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)"></span>Hi and Good Morning Timtrent </p><p>I am just finished major changes about references... </p><p>1) I added 16 more sources, so total now are 32. </p><p>2) I delete all youtube links from references and I replaced them with regular articles about each work </p><p>3) I fix all references with correct details as need it. </p><p>Please tell me what to do next... </p><p>Thanks so much </p><p>George Liristis (georgelgreco here) <a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgelgreco" title="User talk:Georgelgreco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Georgelgreco-20241122053900-About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122053900-About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgelgreco-20241122053900-About_Draft_of_Draft:Eleanna_Finokalioti_(Eleanna_Fin)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122080600-Georgelgreco-20241122053900"></span>There is a weird line above the review history, <a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a>. It shoudl be moved. But please don't delete the review history by accident.</dd> <dd>You need other people to review it now, so please resubmit it for review. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241122080600-Georgelgreco-20241122053900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122080600-Georgelgreco-20241122053900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122080600-Georgelgreco-20241122053900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122160100-Timtrent-20241122080600"></span>So I can resubmit it doing the same prosedure from move button?? <a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgelgreco" title="User talk:Georgelgreco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Georgelgreco-20241122160100-Timtrent-20241122080600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122160100-Timtrent-20241122080600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgelgreco-20241122160100-Timtrent-20241122080600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122160300-Georgelgreco-20241122160100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> No. There is, or ought to be, a big blue SUBMIT button. Click the SUBMIT button and all will be well 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241122160300-Georgelgreco-20241122160100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122160300-Georgelgreco-20241122160100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122160300-Georgelgreco-20241122160100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122160400-Timtrent-20241122160300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> Ah. RESUBMIT 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241122160400-Timtrent-20241122160300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122160400-Timtrent-20241122160300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122160400-Timtrent-20241122160300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122161500-Timtrent-20241122160400"></span>I could not find this blue button I just have the big blue button on right top with publish changes so I press it <a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgelgreco" title="User talk:Georgelgreco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Georgelgreco-20241122161500-Timtrent-20241122160400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122161500-Timtrent-20241122160400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgelgreco-20241122161500-Timtrent-20241122160400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122161800-Georgelgreco-20241122161500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> It was in the DECLINE BOX, bottom left. Ah well, I'll go and see what you have achieved 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241122161800-Georgelgreco-20241122161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122161800-Georgelgreco-20241122161500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122161800-Georgelgreco-20241122161500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122161800-Georgelgreco-20241122161500"></span>Car I right at my top of the article this {{AfC submission|||ts=20241122161811|u=Georgelgreco|ns=3}} and then publish it?? <a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgelgreco" title="User talk:Georgelgreco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Georgelgreco-20241122161800-Georgelgreco-20241122161500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122161800-Georgelgreco-20241122161500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgelgreco-20241122161800-Georgelgreco-20241122161500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122161900-Georgelgreco-20241122161800"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> Not really. I will submit it for you 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241122161900-Georgelgreco-20241122161800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122161900-Georgelgreco-20241122161800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122161900-Georgelgreco-20241122161800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122162100-Timtrent-20241122161900"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> <span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241122162100-Timtrent-20241122161900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122162100-Timtrent-20241122161900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122162100-Timtrent-20241122161900"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122162200-Georgelgreco-20241122161800"></span>I put the line {{ ... }} subt above with submit thats why looking like that <a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgelgreco" title="User talk:Georgelgreco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Georgelgreco-20241122162200-Georgelgreco-20241122161800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122162200-Georgelgreco-20241122161800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgelgreco-20241122162200-Georgelgreco-20241122161800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122162400-Georgelgreco-20241122162200"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> I think there is a language difficuly. You might wish to send sone tie editing the version fo Wikipedia in your native language. The mechanisms are (almost) identical</dd> <dd>The draft is ready for review. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241122162400-Georgelgreco-20241122162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122162400-Georgelgreco-20241122162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122162400-Georgelgreco-20241122162200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122163500-Georgelgreco-20241122162200"></span>Can I add something now at the references?? <a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Georgelgreco" title="User talk:Georgelgreco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Georgelgreco-20241122163500-Georgelgreco-20241122162200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgelgreco-20241122163500-Georgelgreco-20241122162200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgelgreco-20241122163500-Georgelgreco-20241122162200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Timtrent-20241122163800-Georgelgreco-20241122163500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Georgelgreco" title="User:Georgelgreco">Georgelgreco</a> Yes. Submitting for review does not freeze it. Work on it all you wish. 🇺🇦 <a href="/wiki/User:Timtrent" title="User:Timtrent"><span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup></a> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk to me</small></sup></a> 🇺🇦 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Timtrent-20241122163800-Georgelgreco-20241122163500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timtrent-20241122163800-Georgelgreco-20241122163500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timtrent-20241122163800-Georgelgreco-20241122163500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Draft_xx_network" data-mw-thread-id="h-Draft_xx_network-20241123170400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Draft_xx_network-20241123170400"></span>Draft xx network<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Draft_xx_network-20241123170400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Draft xx network"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external free" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Xx_network"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jstrob-20241123170400-Draft_xx_network"></span>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Xx_network</a> </p><p>Hi Timtrent. Thank you for reviewing my xx network article draft. Can you explain to me how articles from important newspaper and media such as Wired, Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg and Cointelegraph are considered low quality sources? Also you are saying I have too many sources, but a previous reviewer told ne I didn't have enough sources. So according to you I should choose max 3 sources? Thanks again. I will work on it until aporoved so it would be really appreciated if you could guide me to an approval for this article on which I already spent so much time and effort. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jstrob&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jstrob (page does not exist)">Jstrob</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jstrob" title="User talk:Jstrob">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timtrent#c-Jstrob-20241123170400-Draft_xx_network" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jstrob-20241123170400-Draft_xx_network"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jstrob-20241123170400-Draft_xx_network"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&oldid=1259148796">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timtrent&oldid=1259148796</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Category</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_open_to_trout_slapping" title="Category:Wikipedians open to trout slapping">Wikipedians open to trout slapping</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 23 November 2024, at 17:09<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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