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Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints.</div></div></td><td class="mbox-imageright"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1252059228">.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain{float:right;margin:0 0 0 1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-base,#fff);padding:0.3em 0.6em 0.2em 0.6em;text-align:center;font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxleft{float:left;margin:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutlist{display:inline-block;border-bottom:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);margin-bottom:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutboxplain ul{font-weight:bold}.mw-parser-output .module-shortcutanchordiv{position:relative;top:-3em}.mw-parser-output li .module-shortcutanchordiv{float:right}.mw-parser-output .mbox-imageright .module-shortcutboxplain{padding:0.4em 1em 0.4em 1em;line-height:1.3;margin:0}</style><div class="module-shortcutanchordiv"><span id="WP:COLAS"></span><span id="WP:ASTERISK"></span><span id="WP:*:"></span></div><div class="module-shortcutboxplain noprint" role="note"><div class="module-shortcutlist"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Shortcut">Shortcuts</a></div><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1126788409">.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul{line-height:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0;padding:0}.mw-parser-output .plainlist ol li,.mw-parser-output .plainlist ul li{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="plainlist"><ul><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:COLAS&redirect=no">WP:COLAS</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:ASTERISK&redirect=no">WP:ASTERISK</a></span></li><li><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:*:&redirect=no">WP:*:</a></span></li></ul></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238436933"><table class="plainlinks ombox ombox-notice nutshell" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Walnut.png/30px-Walnut.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Walnut.png/45px-Walnut.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Walnut.png/60px-Walnut.png 2x" data-file-width="192" data-file-height="192"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><b>This page in a nutshell:</b> When adding a level of indentation (for purposes of a threaded reply, or to create a sub-list) <i>copy the style of the preceding indent</i> and then append an asterisk or colon depending upon whether you want a bullet-point or not. This improves accessibility.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>The question 'why does it matter?' often arises when editors are discussing issues about switching from asterisks to colons in a discussion (and vice-versa). Colons and asterisks are part of our wiki-markup and are used extensively on talk pages of all types <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Indentation" title="Wikipedia:Indentation">to indent comments and replies</a> in a debate. The issue is that Wikipedia misuses lists to indent our comments. This can cause a variety of issues for those using <a href="/wiki/Screenreader" class="mw-redirect" title="Screenreader">screenreaders</a> and other assistive technologies, as well as sometimes breaking the ways that lists render. </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Mixing_colons_and_asterisks" data-mw-thread-id="h-Mixing_colons_and_asterisks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Mixing_colons_and_asterisks"></span>Mixing colons and asterisks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Mixing_colons_and_asterisks"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Mixing colons and asterisks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>So why would </p> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-wikitext mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="k">*</span> I'm making a point <span class="k">::</span> I'm replying to it </pre></div> <p>be a problem to anyone? </p><p>Well, whenever we use a colon (<code>:</code>) to indent, we are using 'description lists' and this code produces the following html: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1088965794">@media(min-width:720px){.mw-parser-output .columns-start .column{float:left;min-width:20em}.mw-parser-output .columns-2 .column{width:50%}.mw-parser-output .columns-3 .column{width:33.3%}.mw-parser-output .columns-4 .column{width:25%}.mw-parser-output .columns-5 .column{width:20%}}</style><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <pre>: first reply </pre> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"></div><div class="column"> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>first reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <p>If we add another level of indentation we find the code produces an HTML list inside a list: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <pre>: first reply :: second reply </pre> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"></div><div class="column"> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>first reply <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>second reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <p>Now a <a href="/wiki/Screen_reader" title="Screen reader">screen reader</a> will read out those lists as lists including each closing and opening tag. It's not too bad, as our regular screen reader users get used to it. Every additional level of indentation simply adds another list <i>inside</i> the preceding one (and they all get closed at the end). </p><p>Similarly, a two level list using bullet points makes use of a 'unordered lists' so the <code>*</code> code produces this html: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <pre>* first reply ** second reply </pre> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"></div><div class="column"> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>first reply <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>second reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <p>A screen reader will cope with that as well. </p><p>But if we mix up the two different types of list, the wikiparser has to completely close the first list and then start again with a second one at the increased level, so we get this html </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <pre>* first reply :: second reply </pre> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"></div><div class="column"> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>first reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></span> <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>second reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <p>A screen reader has to hear the first list being "unwound" and then the second list being "wound up" again. </p><p>If the level is greater, then the problem gets increasingly worse: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <pre>* first reply ** second reply *** third reply **** fourth reply ***** fifth reply :::::: sixth reply </pre> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"></div><div class="column"> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>first reply <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>second reply <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>third reply <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>fourth reply <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>fifth reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></span> <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>sixth reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <p>Just imagine you're listening to that with a screen reader, and see how much has to be read out between the fifth and sixth replies, even though it's not apparent to a sighted reader. That wouldn't happen if we kept the list style the same. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Best_practices" data-mw-thread-id="h-Best_practices-Mixing_colons_and_asterisks"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Best_practices-Mixing_colons_and_asterisks"></span>Best practices<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Best_practices-Mixing_colons_and_asterisks"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Best practices"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Does that mean we can never mix list styles in a thread? No, the simple rule is that <b>you're fine as long as you copy the style of the preceding indent</b> and then you are free to add your own type of indent to your reply, so both </p> <pre>***** fifth reply ****** sixth reply </pre> <p>and </p> <pre>***** fifth reply *****: sixth reply </pre> <p>don't cause the "unwinding/rewinding" issues discussed above because they can start the next list <i>inside</i> the previous list. Of course, the seventh reply would have to copy the style of sixth one, and then add another level of choice, but any combination of <code>:</code> and <code>*</code> is fine as long as all but the last character matches the style of the comment being replied to. </p><p>The present community-agreed guidance can be found at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#Lists" title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility">Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility § Lists</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Empty_lines" data-mw-thread-id="h-Empty_lines"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Empty_lines"></span>Empty lines<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Empty_lines"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Empty lines"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/MOS:LISTGAP" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:LISTGAP">As in articles</a>, leaving a gap between colons- or asterisk-prefixed lines creates an issue. See the unnecessary closing and re-opening of the <code><dl></code> </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <pre>: first reply :: second reply ::: third reply ::: fourth reply </pre> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"></div><div class="column"> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>first reply <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>second reply <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>third reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></span> <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></span>fourth reply<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dd</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">dl</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <p>If the gap is between a colon list and an asterisk list, there is no issue, as the HTML is identical with or without the blank line. Likewise, a single-line gap between an unindented line and an indented line makes no difference. Leaving multiple lines, however, will cause the creation of an empty paragraph. </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <pre>unindented line * indented line </pre> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"></div><div class="column"> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">p</span><span class="p">></span>unindented line<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">p</span><span class="p">></span> <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">p</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">br</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">p</span><span class="p">></span> <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>indented line<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Best_practices_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Best_practices_2-Empty_lines"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Best_practices_2-Empty_lines"></span>Best practices<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Best_practices_2-Empty_lines"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Best practices"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Don't leave gaps! If you absolutely must leave a blank line in the wikitext for some reason, the following works: </p> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"><div class="columns-start columns-2"><div class="column"> <pre>* first line * second line </pre> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1088965794"></div><div class="column"> <div class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-html mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr"><pre><span></span><span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>first line<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span> <span class="p"><</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></span>second line<span class="p"></</span><span class="nt">li</span><span class="p">></</span><span class="nt">ul</span><span class="p">></span> </pre></div> </div><div style="clear: both"></div></div> <p>For bulleted lists, note that the asterisk must be placed the line <i>after</i> the <code>--></code> in order to work as a bullet. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Multi-paragraph_replies" data-mw-thread-id="h-Multi-paragraph_replies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Multi-paragraph_replies"></span>Multi-paragraph replies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Multi-paragraph_replies"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Multi-paragraph replies"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Do not place empty lines between paragraphs, as discussed above. </p><p>When writing a comment that begins with a <code>*</code> (such as in an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:XfD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:XfD">XfD</a>) or a <code>#</code> (such as in an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RfX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RfX">RfX</a>), we might be tempted to do this </p> <pre>* first paragraph : second paragraph </pre> <p>or this (noting that numbered indents are double the width of others) </p> <pre># first paragraph :: second paragraph </pre> <p>This also causes the winding/unwinding issue, albeit only for the innermost level. The latter example also restarts the list's numbering. </p><p>When writing two consecutive unbulleted paragraphs, prefixing both with the same number of colons avoids the <i>worst</i> issues, but risks confusing people that a new person's message has begun. (If you <i>are</i> going to do this, it doesn't make a difference if you place empty <i>properly-indented</i> lines in between the paragraphs; screenreaders will ignore them.) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Best_practices_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-Best_practices_3-Multi-paragraph_replies"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Best_practices_3-Multi-paragraph_replies"></span>Best practices<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Best_practices_3-Multi-paragraph_replies"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Best practices"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Instead, we can use <code><p></code> tags to create paragraphs within the list item, or use <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Paragraph_break" title="Template:Paragraph break">Paragraph break</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> (shortcut <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Pb" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Pb">pb</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>) to create a line-break that uses the same amount of padding as a paragraph-break. (By default, <code><br /></code> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Break" title="Template:Break">break</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> use less padding.) 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