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vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#路過"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.5</span> <span>路過</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-路過-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ICTV等" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ICTV等"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.6</span> <span>ICTV等</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-ICTV等-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-鼠類的冠狀病毒" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#鼠類的冠狀病毒"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.7</span> <span>鼠類的冠狀病毒</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-鼠類的冠狀病毒-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-鸟類的冠狀病毒" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#鸟類的冠狀病毒"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.8</span> <span>鸟類的冠狀病毒</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-鸟類的冠狀病毒-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-翻译与译名问题" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#翻译与译名问题"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.9</span> <span>翻译与译名问题</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-翻译与译名问题-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-新春快乐!!!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#新春快乐!!!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.10</span> <span>新春快乐!!!</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-新春快乐!!!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-再論鳥類冠狀病毒" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#再論鳥類冠狀病毒"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.11</span> <span>再論鳥類冠狀病毒</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-再論鳥類冠狀病毒-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-序列分析" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#序列分析"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.12</span> <span>序列分析</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-序列分析-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wikipedia_Asian_Month_2020_Postcard" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wikipedia_Asian_Month_2020_Postcard"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Wikipedia Asian Month 2020 Postcard</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Wikipedia_Asian_Month_2020_Postcard-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">17条留言</span> <ul id="toc-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-果仁蜜餅送給您!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#果仁蜜餅送給您!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>果仁蜜餅送給您!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-果仁蜜餅送給您!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-給您的星章!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#給您的星章!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>給您的星章!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-給您的星章!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-给您一一隻山羊!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#给您一一隻山羊!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>给您一一隻山羊!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-给您一一隻山羊!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-新年快樂!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#新年快樂!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>新年快樂!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-新年快樂!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-一杯咖啡送給您!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#一杯咖啡送給您!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>一杯咖啡送給您!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-一杯咖啡送給您!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-牛年快乐!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#牛年快乐!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>牛年快乐!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-牛年快乐!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-给您一个星章!" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#给您一个星章!"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>给您一个星章!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-给您一个星章!-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">67条留言</span> <button aria-controls="toc-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>开关又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息子章节</span> </button> <ul id="toc-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.1</span> <span>在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.2</span> <span>連Avian Coronavirus 9203都鬧雙胞</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.3</span> <span>与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-关于冷门国家的科学家" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#关于冷门国家的科学家"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.4</span> <span>关于冷门国家的科学家</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-关于冷门国家的科学家-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.5</span> <span>日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-重複序列" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#重複序列"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.6</span> <span>重複序列</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-重複序列-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-又有报道新SARS-related病毒" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#又有报道新SARS-related病毒"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.7</span> <span>又有报道新SARS-related病毒</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-又有报道新SARS-related病毒-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.8</span> <span>用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.9</span> <span>冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛</span> </div> </a> <ul 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class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Re:ACE2已經寫完</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5条留言</span> <ul id="toc-Re:ACE2已經寫完-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re:Portal:病毒" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re:Portal:病毒"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Re:‎Portal:病毒</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3条留言</span> <ul id="toc-Re:Portal:病毒-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Re</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-Re-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-給您的星章!_3" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#給您的星章!_3"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>給您的星章!</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-給您的星章!_3-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-卡氏帶" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#卡氏帶"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>卡氏帶</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2条留言</span> <ul id="toc-卡氏帶-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-送您的腺嘌呤核苷三磷酸" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#送您的腺嘌呤核苷三磷酸"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>送您的腺嘌呤核苷三磷酸</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2条留言</span> <ul id="toc-送您的腺嘌呤核苷三磷酸-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-能否帮助改善条目吐鲁番花条蛇" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#能否帮助改善条目吐鲁番花条蛇"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>能否帮助改善条目吐鲁番花条蛇</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2条留言</span> <ul id="toc-能否帮助改善条目吐鲁番花条蛇-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-同行评议邀请(?)_腺相关病毒" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#同行评议邀请(?)_腺相关病毒"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>同行评议邀请(?) 腺相关病毒</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3条留言</span> <ul id="toc-同行评议邀请(?)_腺相关病毒-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-給您的星章!_4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#給您的星章!_4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>給您的星章!</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1条留言</span> <ul id="toc-給您的星章!_4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> 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Christmas!!!&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Merry Christmas!!!&quot;}--></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="冠状病毒模板与RaTG13" data-mw-thread-id="h-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13-Merry_Christmas!!!-2020-12-24T16:28:00.000Z"><span id=".E5.86.A0.E7.8A.B6.E7.97.85.E6.AF.92.E6.A8.A1.E6.9D.BF.E4.B8.8ERaTG13"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13-Merry_Christmas!!!-2020-12-24T16:28:00.000Z"></span>冠状病毒模板与RaTG13<span data-mw-comment-end="h-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13-Merry_Christmas!!!-2020-12-24T16:28:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="编辑章节:冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2020-12-24T16:28:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"></span>I have just finished translating template {{<a href="/wiki/Template:Coronavirus" title="Template:Coronavirus">Coronavirus</a>}} from Chinese to English. </p><p>I like this template, compared with "Human coronaviruses", which I just REDIRECT to "Coronaviridae", Its a DeAnthropocentrism template.--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2020-12-24T16:28:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2020年12月24日 (四) 16:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2020-12-24T16:28:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_5%E2%80%B2_UTR" class="extiw" title="en:Coronavirus 5′ UTR">5' UTR</a>、<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_3%E2%80%B2_UTR" class="extiw" title="en:Coronavirus 3′ UTR">3' UTR</a>、甚至<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_3%E2%80%B2_UTR_pseudoknot" class="extiw" title="en:Coronavirus 3′ UTR pseudoknot">3'UTR上的一個結構</a>都自成一條目,真是絕了,希望今年有空時能在中文版將這些條目全部寫完,並重寫母條目<a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">冠狀病毒</a>,不過與Covid-19直接相關的條目因為容易被政治污染,我就不碰了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-04T09:29:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2020-12-24T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月4日 (一) 09:29 (UTC)</a><span 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>,后来他们几乎重写了条目,毕竟英语不是母语,有很多语法问题<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-04T09:33:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月4日 (一) 09:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-04T09:33:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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Do you have any suggestions for improvement?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-05T02:48:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月5日 (二) 02:48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-05T02:48:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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protein連到細菌的外膜蛋白去了(同上,這個也去掉比較好),非結構蛋白不同冠狀病毒歧異性很大,命名方式也都不同,難以概括,目前唯一有條目的NS3是連到HCV的,不是冠狀病毒的,關於冠狀病毒的NS,我想應該有蠻多是有建立成條目的價值(例如SARS1/2的ORF8,這個可以大書特書),但目前都沒有條目,可以等到有條目建立再放上去。</li></ul> <dl><dd>希望今年能在中文版將這些病毒學條目一一建立。題外話:中文版被埃及阿拉伯語趕超了?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-05T07:23:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-05T02:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月5日 (二) 07:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-05T07:23:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-05T02:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Wikipedia:统计/与邻近条目数量的语言版本比较存档">Wikipedia:统计/与邻近条目数量的语言版本比较存档</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-05T09:09:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月5日 (二) 09:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-05T09:09:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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SARS</a>等,另外還可以寫一篇<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92%E7%9A%84%E8%BC%94%E5%8A%A9%E8%9B%8B%E7%99%BD&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="冠狀病毒的輔助蛋白(页面不存在)">冠狀病毒的輔助蛋白</a>統整介紹不同冠狀病毒的輔助蛋白。閣下還有這方面的寫作計畫嗎?</li></ul> <dl><dd>一年增加100萬....跟瑞典語一樣是刷物種嗎?去年增加的條目大都是機器人刷出來的?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-06T09:07:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-05T09:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月6日 (三) 09:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-06T09:07:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-05T09:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-06T15:39:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"></span>问一下<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%BA%E8%9D%9F%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="刺蝟冠狀病毒">刺蝟冠狀病毒</a>和<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E5%8C%97%E5%88%BA%E8%9D%9F%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92HKU31" title="東北刺蝟冠狀病毒HKU31">東北刺蝟冠狀病毒HKU31</a>在Merbecovirus(支系C)中的亲缘关系是最近的吗?如果是,那该条目似乎应该和英文条目一样,移动到“刺蝟冠狀病毒1”,而原条目可像<a href="/wiki/%E9%BC%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="鼠冠狀病毒">鼠冠状病毒</a>(MCoV)一样作为这一类的总称<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">当然,要有文献支持这样命名</mark>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a 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class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-07T05:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-06T15:39:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>是,這兩個應該是最近的,刺蝟冠狀病毒1是前者,<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E5%8C%97%E5%88%BA%E8%9D%9F%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92HKU31" title="東北刺蝟冠狀病毒HKU31">東北刺蝟冠狀病毒HKU31</a>沒有別名(好像也無人跟進研究),這兩個相似度只有79.6%,以冠狀病毒的慣例90%以上才被視為同種。剛發現英文版跟德文版都把Rat Coronavirus獨立成條了,這個應該跟小鼠的是同種。還有Letovirinae,這個亞科是單型的,不知為何英文版條目是以亞科為標題,而非病毒(雖然後來我引用了去年介紹的太平洋鮭魚病毒,但那篇僅是提到發現了與<a href="/wiki/%E5%A7%AC%E8%9B%99%E7%94%B2%E5%9E%8B%E5%8B%92%E6%89%98%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92%E4%B8%80%E5%9E%8B" title="姬蛙甲型勒托病毒一型">MLeV</a>類似的病毒,沒有提及是否視為同種,或發表為新種,而且在您補充前英文版也沒有人注意到這個鮭魚病毒的存在)當初我就很想在英文版把它移動到MLeV,因為單型的單元應該用最下級的階層命名,也想過在Wikidata請求合併,但考量到在Wikispecies兩者還是不同的entry,不知道怎麼做。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-07T06:43:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"></span>诚如阁下用户页所说,英文维基上也充斥着不少过时的内容,之前的Letovirinae就是一例,相信随着更多的对海洋生物病毒的探索,会有更多的勒托病毒被发现。MCoV这边,感觉 Mouse hepatitis virus 和 Rat Coronavirus 都应该算作 Murine coronavirus 下的“subspecies”,而 Sialodacryoadenitis virus 和 Parker's rat coronavirus 应该算作“Strain”,龙泉罗赛鼠冠状病毒的信息应该也可以加入Rat Coronavirus条目了。另外,Wikidata里很难合併的,即使物种名和异名都会有两个entry--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-07T06:43:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月7日 (四) 06:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-07T06:43:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"><span 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href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月8日 (五) 12:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z-\u51a0\u72b6\u75c5\u6bd2\u6a21\u677f\u4e0eRaTG13","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-08T20:43:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-08T20:43:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>真不知為何這麼搞,ICTV收錄新種病毒的速度是很慢的,而且經常有漏,像Pacific salmon nidovirus這種只是論文中稍微提及的刪掉就算了,至少經論文在無爭議的期刊上正式發表、命名的病毒應該都充分符合關注度才是。重寫模板的人編輯摘要給出"rewrote entire template for taxonomic consistency and proper formatting",不曉得是不是沒有看懂原本的模板是反映支序分類關係,而認為僅是未經整理的inappropriate formatting......--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-08T20:43:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月8日 (五) 20:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-08T20:43:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-08T20:43:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-08T20:43:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikimycota"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-08T20:43:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-08T12:27:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-09T02:52:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"></span>在下觉得像229E-like、NL63-like 这样的分类名明显好于 Duvinacovirus、Setracovirus 这样不知所云的ICTV亚属名,而且结构化的排布也很好反映了两者相近的亲缘关系,但他们要是以ICTV为权威,看来也只能这样了--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-09T02:52:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月9日 (六) 02:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-09T02:52:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-09T02:52:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-09T02:52:00.000Z-\u51a0\u72b6\u75c5\u6bd2\u6a21\u677f\u4e0eRaTG13","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-09T02:52:00.000Z-冠状病毒模板与RaTG13"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="RmYN02等" data-mw-thread-id="h-RmYN02等-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-16T11:14:00.000Z"><span id="RmYN02.E7.AD.89"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RmYN02等-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-16T11:14:00.000Z"></span>RmYN02等<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RmYN02等-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-16T11:14:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=3" title="编辑章节:RmYN02等"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T11:14:00.000Z-RmYN02等"></span>另外,英文维基上有人觉得RmYN02符合关注度可以创建,见<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ScrupulousScribe#about_RmYN02" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:ScrupulousScribe">en:User_talk:ScrupulousScribe#about_RmYN02</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T11:14:00.000Z-RmYN02等" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月16日 (六) 11:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T11:14:00.000Z-RmYN02等"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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<ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-16T21:57:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T17:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>WIV1可能近一些,用RBD做出的演化樹WIV1比SHC014更接近SARS<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12711">[1]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985">[2]</a>(WIV1非常接近Rs3367),但沒有找到全基因組下去比的,加上可能還有基因重組,我覺得真實關係難說,只能說都很接近。正好我有打算在中文版寫RmYN02、SHC014跟ZC45的條目,這幾個病毒株都有一定關注度,RmYN02是去年剛發現、跟covid相似度僅次於RaTG13且做出演化樹甚至可能比它更接近covid,SHC014是石正麗曾經拿來做可以感染人類細胞的重組病毒引起一陣風波,ZC45是閆麗夢聲稱covid人工製造的來源株。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-17T01:38:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-16T21:57:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-17T04:04:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-17T01:38:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>寫了<a href="/wiki/RmYN02%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="RmYN02病毒">RmYN02病毒</a>,它那個插入序列跟SARS-CoV-2的不同,不確定能不能被furin切,應該是獨立演化事件,不過顯示了這種插入可以自然發生。吐槽下英文版的第二句"It was discovered in 2013 in bat droppings collected Between May and October 2019 from sites in Mengla County, Yunnan Province, China.".........(RaTG13才是2013年採集)。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-17T04:04:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-17T01:38:00.000Z" 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id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-17T10:38:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-16T21:57:00.000Z"></span>谢谢,原来RmYN02和SARS-COV-2在S蛋白上的关系反而更远了,另外“穿山甲冠状病毒”有足够关注度吗?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-17T10:38:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-16T21:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月17日 (日) 10:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-17T10:38:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-16T21:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>冠狀病毒好像不常使用亞種的概念,只會稱是不同病毒株,種的概念則是以複製酶保守區相似度90%來界定。我看到的文章都是只有分成SARS-CoV-1與SARS-CoV-2兩支,閣下記得另一支包含哪些病毒嗎(還是能不能找到那篇論文)--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月18日 (一) 17:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T16:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:38:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T16:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月18日 (一) 17:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:38:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T16:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-18T17:38:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-18T17:38:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T16:44:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikimycota"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:38:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T16:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z-RmYN02等"></span>嗯,那篇文章应该是时间上晚于这篇的一篇文章,那个时候刚刚被命名为SARS-COV-2。其中,第三支应该是包括BtKY72與BM48-31兩種以及其它多種病毒的一支,分化点早于SARS-COV-1和SARS-COV-2的分化,但貌似複製酶保守區相似度仍在90%以上。不过可能由于没有产生可感染人类的病毒,所以很多文章的系统树并没有把这一支算进去吧。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z-RmYN02等" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月18日 (一) 18:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z-RmYN02等"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>ok,這兩種應該也能寫成條目,不知道還有哪些病毒屬於這一支。我新建了{{<a href="/wiki/Template:SARSr-CoV" title="Template:SARSr-CoV">SARSr-CoV</a>}},閣下看看有沒有漏掉哪些。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-18T20:22:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月18日 (一) 20:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-18T20:22:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=Mzg2MTUyODU2NA==&amp;mid=2247496611&amp;idx=1&amp;sn=b2c84eed8478375e5cb059acc800614e&amp;source=41#wechat_redirect">[3]</a>,感觉他的故事可以多写一些。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-19T12:04:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月19日 (二) 12:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-19T12:04:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://www.cdc.gov/eid/article/15/9/09-0224_article">這篇</a>所發表(僅有RdRP保守區序列,未有全基因組序列),這支本身不被視為SARSr-CoV,而是SARSr-CoV的姊妹群,比HKU9更接近SARSr-CoV,這樣它地位有可能接近<a href="/wiki/%E8%B9%84%E8%9D%A0%E4%B9%99%E5%9E%8B%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92%E6%B5%99%E6%B1%9F2013" class="mw-redirect" title="蹄蝠乙型冠狀病毒浙江2013">蹄蝠乙型冠狀病毒浙江2013</a>,兩者關係令人好奇。而2009年還有<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.cdc.gov/eid/article/15/3/08-1013_article">另一篇</a>發表了許多肯亞的SARSr-CoV(也未有全基因組序列,僅有RdRP保守區),雖然演化樹的解析度不高難以判讀(甚至Betacoronavirus都不成單系群了),但粗看之下這些有可能也是SARSr-CoV中比較基部的演化支,可能地位也跟BtKY72類似。不過有完整基因組定序的應該只有<a href="/wiki/BtKY72" class="mw-redirect" title="BtKY72">BtKY72</a>和<a href="/wiki/BM48-31" class="mw-redirect" title="BM48-31">BM48-31</a>,兩者我都會盡量寫成條目(我自己對病毒關注度的門檻是具有完整序列,且論文中有特別段落介紹,所以一篇發表數十種病毒的論文,大概會有數種有寫的價值)。前幾天看<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://asm.org/COVID/COVID-19-Research-Registry/Home">2020.12.18石正麗在專欄中說</a>"(Rc-o319) is the first full-length genome sequence of bat sarbecovirus reported in an Asian country other than China",我還相當疑惑為何要強調"Asian",追到這裡才知道應該就是歐洲、非洲有BM48-31和BtKY72的緣故,可惜絕大多數文章都不提了,這些中國以外的病毒株對重構SARSr-CoV的演化史應該是非常有幫助的,不知道除了上述這些,閣下還有沒有看過哪些中國以外的SARSr-CoV(穿山甲病毒應該也是,畢竟那穿山甲是從南洋走私到中國,不是原產在中國,幾個月前Nature也有文章提及柬埔寨發現了接近SARS-2的RdRP序列,但尚未發表)--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-20T02:11:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月20日 (三) 02:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-20T02:11:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-18T18:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z-RmYN02等"></span>谢谢,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">其实舟山和台北到我家直线距离都是300公里,就是一个有跨海大桥一个没有<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr></mark>,ZC45去年爆红了一下,但风头迅速被穿山甲病毒盖过去了<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b> </p><p>BtKY72與BM48-31兩種所在的这一支(这里在下“原创研究”一下,暂时把它称为SARS-COV-3),现有的发现地基本上位于欧洲非洲,和SARS-COV-1、SARS-COV-2的主要发现地,华南及东南亚(在下认为算是一个地理区)有着“地理隔离”,因此应该是较早分离出来的基部的演化支,其独立演化过程中,应该没有与1、2发生重组。部分序列树显示的SARS-COV-3插在它两之间的可能是样本量少造成的偏误? --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z-RmYN02等" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月20日 (三) 10:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z-RmYN02等"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z-RmYN02\u7b49","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-20T22:49:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z-RmYN02等"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-20T22:49:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>對,可能是樣本數較少所致(如我上則留言所說,PMID:33219796使用的樣本較少)。最近越是研究,越發對SARSr-CoV的演化史感到好奇,並對為何SARSr-CoV是在<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E6%B4%8B%E5%8D%80" class="mw-redirect" title="東洋區">東洋區</a>(即華南與東南亞)、而非其他地方發生輻射演化感到百思不得其解,可惜沒有查到任何類似的研究(估計關心的人太少,而且中國以外地區對SARSr-CoV的研究、調查相當不足),我想要回答這個問題,應該還得對蝙蝠的生物地理學有相當了解。這些資訊對於阻止下一次的疫情爆發應該相當重要(<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">剛好閣下使用SARS-CoV-3,有些不吉,彷彿這「第三支」不讓另外兩支專美於前,在20X0年迸出了一個SARS-CoV-3又造成一番疫情</mark>)。</dd> <dd>下一篇我便打算寫<a href="/wiki/%E7%A9%BF%E5%B1%B1%E7%94%B2%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="穿山甲冠狀病毒">穿山甲冠狀病毒</a>。待疫情結束,閣下應該來台灣一遊。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-20T22:49:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-20T10:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T03:53:00.000Z-RmYN02等"></span>谢谢邀请,话说“不讓另外兩支專美於前”的可能性还真有<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>,毕竟它分布范围这么广,看了保加利亚那篇论文,好像大多数蝙蝠在地中海南北都有分布,不知道在保加利亚和Kenya之间还有多少未知在等着人们去探索。关于對於阻止下一次的疫情爆發,在下记得石正麗20年的一次网络演讲中提到了她认为的有可能演化出感染人类的支系应该是重组变异最多的几个,另外在下想起了<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=Mzg2MTUyODU2NA==&amp;mid=2247496611&amp;idx=1&amp;sn=b2c84eed8478375e5cb059acc800614e&amp;source=41#wechat_redirect">[4]</a>一文中的Ralph S Baric,没有他在02年及更早先对冠状病毒的前瞻性研究,中国的科学家就不会这么快认识到“非典”是冠状病毒引起的,如果没有在03年爆发了非典,可能他会转行成为一个游泳教练,可以说是相互成就吧。不过石正麗和Ralph S Baric这二位现在变成了某些“阴谋论”的主角了<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b> </p><p>关于“穿山甲冠状病毒”,感觉和ZC45病毒與ZXC21病毒不一样,ZCZX两者关系非常近,目前没有发现舟山以外的病毒,但是广东截获的和广西截获的很明显关系不近,两者之间有其它的蝙蝠病毒在,说明<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E6%B4%8B%E5%8D%80" class="mw-redirect" title="東洋區">東洋區</a>的蝙蝠与穿山甲之间发生了多次相互传播的事件,估计以后会有很多“穿山甲冠状病毒”发现,建议条目在将来可以写成类似于<a href="/wiki/%E8%9D%99%E8%9D%A0%E6%90%BA%E5%B8%A6%E7%9A%84%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="蝙蝠携带的病毒">蝙蝠携带的病毒</a>的综述形式--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T03:53:00.000Z-RmYN02等" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月21日 (四) 03:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T03:53:00.000Z-RmYN02等"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2169-0">去年3月這篇</a>發表的廣西、廣東型,至少還有<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/11/11/979/htm">[5]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2313-x#Sec1">[6]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1008421">[7]</a>,其中PMID: 31652964是唯一一篇疫情前發表的,雖無完整序列,但可見穿山甲冠狀病毒相當多樣,甚至可能包含alphacoronavirus, deltacoronavirus的成員。而另外三篇都是疫情後發表的,這三篇的病毒應該很接近,都是RBD和SARS-CoV-2相似度極高(關鍵位點完全吻合),都是廣東廣西海關截獲的穿山甲,但都沒有把他篇的pangolin-cov拿來相互比較,看來條目不好處理,需要思考一下。</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/%E8%9D%99%E8%9D%A0%E6%90%BA%E5%B8%A6%E7%9A%84%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="蝙蝠携带的病毒">蝙蝠携带的病毒</a>這個條目相當重要,百科性很強,在英文版是優良條目,等這些SARSr-CoV處理完,希望能將英文版完整翻譯。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a 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class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="聊聊其他的" data-mw-thread-id="h-聊聊其他的-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z"><span id=".E8.81.8A.E8.81.8A.E5.85.B6.E4.BB.96.E7.9A.84"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-聊聊其他的-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z"></span>聊聊其他的<span data-mw-comment-end="h-聊聊其他的-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="编辑章节:聊聊其他的"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z-聊聊其他的"></span>擴充Baric的條目还是留给其他维基人吧<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>,在下最近想尽可能多的建立一些学者条目,哪怕是一个小条目,也可以帮助其他人。说道这个,怀念一下被错误封禁的User:镜海水手,当年我是这么问他为什么要写这么多科学家小条目的时候,他说图方便快速建立一些。 </p><p><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%944#关于那个用户的禁封" title="User talk:靖天子/存檔4">User_talk:靖天子/存檔4#关于那个用户的禁封</a>,<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jinghaishuishou#这到底是怎么回事!?" title="User talk:Jinghaishuishou">User_talk:Jinghaishuishou#这到底是怎么回事!?</a> </p><p>最近建立了好几个奖项等科学家有关列表如<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%98%E6%98%93%E6%96%AF%C2%B7%E6%89%98%E9%A9%AC%E6%96%AF%E5%A5%96" title="刘易斯·托马斯奖">刘易斯·托马斯奖</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E7%BE%8E%E5%9B%BD%E7%A7%91%E5%AD%A6%E4%BF%83%E8%BF%9B%E4%BC%9A%E4%B8%BB%E5%B8%AD" title="美国科学促进会主席">美国科学促进会主席</a>等,还能看到他当年所写的学者小条目--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z-聊聊其他的" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月21日 (四) 11:16 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z-聊聊其他的"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>,虧得閣下多年不輟寫作大量生物與化學條目。也看到我早已無力更新的<a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%94%9F%E7%89%A9%E5%AD%A6/%E6%96%B0%E8%BF%9B%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE" title="Portal:生物学/新进条目">Portal:生物学/新进条目</a>,很高興這兩年在閣下長期努力之下又持續運作。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-21T21:13:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月21日 (四) 21:13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-21T21:13:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-21T21:13:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-21T21:13:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikimycota"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-21T21:13:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T11:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/%E6%8B%89%E5%B0%94%E5%A4%AB%C2%B7S%C2%B7%E5%B7%B4%E9%87%8C%E5%85%8B" title="拉尔夫·S·巴里克"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T23:09:00.000Z-聊聊其他的"></span>Baric</a>已经提报DYK,另外<a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%94%9F%E7%89%A9%E5%AD%A6/%E6%96%B0%E8%BF%9B%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE" title="Portal:生物学/新进条目">Portal:生物学/新进条目</a>现在在下也無力更新了,有几位不断更新动物物种的维基人在接力,虽然忽略了其它生物领域,但也算是一件幸事了--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T23:09:00.000Z-聊聊其他的" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月21日 (四) 23:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T23:09:00.000Z-聊聊其他的"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://www.pnas.org/content/97/10/5516">[8]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://jvi.asm.org/content/75/24/12359">[9]</a>),分別屬group I與group III。</dd> <dd>有注意到來了幾位專門寫恐龍、古生物的維基人,恐龍領域多年來出了幾位專精的編者,算是中文維基百科的生物條目中難得比較多人關注的。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-21T23:42:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月21日 (四) 23:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-21T23:42:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T23:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-21T23:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月22日 (五) 05:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-21T23:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-22T05:07:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-21T23:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-22T05:07:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-21T23:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-23T02:44:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T23:09:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span><a href="/wiki/%E7%A9%BF%E5%B1%B1%E7%94%B2%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="穿山甲冠狀病毒">穿山甲冠狀病毒</a>。仔細閱讀<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/11/11/979/htm">[10]</a>的全部數據後我對演化樹中有Pangolin-CoV屬於Deltacoronavirus與Alphacoronavirus的演化支感到相當懷疑,認為這應該是樣本數過少造成,這篇文章自己附上的blast結果也認為那些病毒是與SARSr-CoV相似,且他們隔年的新文章<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1008421">[11]</a>也只主張有一種SARSr-CoV。所以我認為已知的穿山甲冠狀病毒應該通通屬於SARS-CoV,條目中還是使用了分類框,當然它們彼此並不構成一個單系群,中間穿插有蝙蝠病毒,因此特別畫出演化樹讓讀者參考。穿山甲病毒被不同研究組多次發現,彼此間又缺乏比較(像是Pangolin-CoV-2020可能根本跟GD是相同的),資訊紛亂,實在是不太好寫的一篇條目。</dd> <dd>看了閣下的連結,感到<a href="/wiki/%E5%8F%A4%E8%8F%8C" title="古菌">古菌</a>可能是在下有興趣翻譯的(但短期應該還是寫冠狀病毒為主),至於那一堆菇類的FA對讀者的幫助感覺不大,我倒不是很有興趣寫--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-23T02:44:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T23:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月23日 (六) 02:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-23T02:44:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-21T23:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-23T09:03:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T04:11:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=WIV%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="WIV病毒(页面不存在)">WIV病毒</a>。這大概是SARSr-CoV中最重要的,英文版整個寫偏了,除了第一句話之外通通離題......閣下如有關於古菌條目的編寫計畫,我也可以幫忙。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-23T09:03:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T04:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月23日 (六) 09:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-23T09:03:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T04:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> </p><p>去年年中开始,在下基本上把<a href="/wiki/%E5%93%B2%E4%BA%BA%E7%9F%B3%E4%B8%9B%E4%B9%A6" title="哲人石丛书">哲人石丛书</a>等翻译、创建的丛书条目作者写了个stub,见<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ma3r#关于丛书类型条目的探讨" title="User talk:Ma3r">User talk:Ma3r#关于丛书类型条目的探讨</a>,在下想继续下去,<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/%E6%B2%99%E7%9B%92" title="User:Htmlzycq/沙盒">世纪人文系列丛书</a>里的作者是一个很大的工程,--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z-聊聊其他的" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月23日 (六) 10:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z-聊聊其他的"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z-\u804a\u804a\u5176\u4ed6\u7684","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-24T04:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z","c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-24T10:05:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z-聊聊其他的"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-24T04:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>糗了,漏了個1,補上了。這麼多作者看來是浩大工程。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-24T04:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月24日 (日) 04:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-24T04:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-24T04:40:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-24T04:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikimycota"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-24T04:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-24T10:05:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span><a href="/wiki/YNLF_31C%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92%E8%88%87YNLF_34C%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="YNLF 31C病毒與YNLF 34C病毒">YNLF 31C病毒與YNLF 34C病毒</a>。我原以為這兩個應該是ORF8跟SARS最接近的,相似度超過八成了,不料<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/213/4/579/2459467">[12]</a>竟發現潛藏在資料庫中的兩個中華菊頭蝠病毒株ORF8和SARS的幾乎相同,大出我意料之外,這其實幾乎把原論文提出SARS-1是Rf, Rs兩種蝙蝠中SARSr-CoV重組而來的假說給毀了,偏偏兩篇沒有互引,也沒有其他文章引用比較,受限於原創研究而不能在條目中寫太多。</dd> <dd>查閱大量資料後感到SARSr-CoV的資料相當零散,沒有完善的綜述性文章概括所有重要內容,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">只好讓在下斗膽在中文維基百科發揮此功能</mark>。另外關於閣下之前詢問WIV1與SHC014和SARS-1的相似度,根據<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://jvi.asm.org/content/90/6/3253">[13]</a>這篇確實是WIV1略高0.2%,但這篇新發表的<a href="/wiki/WIV16%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="WIV16病毒">WIV16病毒</a>跟SARS-1相似度96%,應是目前已知跟SARS-1最相似的(不計果子狸的話),這些在下都會盡快建立完善。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-24T10:05:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月24日 (日) 10:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-24T10:05:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-24T10:05:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-24T10:05:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikimycota"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-24T10:05:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-23T10:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="条目数量" data-mw-thread-id="h-条目数量-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z"><span id=".E6.9D.A1.E7.9B.AE.E6.95.B0.E9.87.8F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-条目数量-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z"></span>条目数量<span data-mw-comment-end="h-条目数量-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="编辑章节:条目数量"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z-条目数量"></span>嗯,之前在和Ma3r讨论的时候是把寫書籍條目作为“三步走”的“第三步”的,但后来发现自己写作者条目stub越写越顺利(都形成固定的套路了)就想快点都建起来。另一个原因是这些作者中文译名都是有来源的,直接用译者给出的就行了,不会像写其他人需要“原创译名”,其实在下这段时间里写了《病毒星球》、《致命伴侣》这些书里给出的病毒学家、细菌学家等学者的stub也是因为译者给出了译名,不需要“原创”。 </p><p>预测一下,2021年越南语、日本语的条目数量都应该会超过LSJbot当年搞大的瓦瑞瓦瑞语,中文版应该会在2022年初--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z-条目数量" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月24日 (日) 10:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z-条目数量"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-24T10:39:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月24日 (日) 10:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-24T10:39:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-24T10:39:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-24T10:39:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikimycota"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-24T10:39:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T10:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T16:13:00.000Z-条目数量"></span>原来基金會还公開鼓勵过bot?真是大开眼界。 </p><p>虽然没搞懂阿拉伯语和埃及阿拉伯语编者之间的关系,但在下这样推测:在那几位人肉机器人把阿拉伯语刷过百万条目后,被阿语版社群“赶走”了,之后他们转战埃及阿拉伯语刷了百万以上条目,直到数据库暂时性“枯竭”,不知道埃及阿语版接下来会有什么动作。 </p><p>越南语也是14年刷过百万条目的,不过中文版也没什么好骄傲的,当年也是刷过条目,见{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Milestone" title="Template:Milestone">Milestone</a>}}--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T16:13:00.000Z-条目数量" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月24日 (日) 16:13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T16:13:00.000Z-条目数量"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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href="/wiki/Template:SARSr-CoV" title="Template:SARSr-CoV">SARSr-CoV</a>}},有關注度的條目快寫完了(<a href="/wiki/HKU3%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="HKU3病毒">HKU3病毒</a>這種很久以前發表的病毒實在非常難寫),其他關注度不足以成條的病毒株應該有上百個,思考了一下後我打算在<a href="/wiki/SARSr-CoV" class="mw-redirect" title="SARSr-CoV">SARSr-CoV</a>條目中以列表的形式介紹,包括長度、發表時間地點、宿主與特徵簡述,如能順利寫完應該會是一篇篇幅龐大的特色列表。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-25T00:20:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T16:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月25日 (一) 00:20 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-25T00:20:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-24T16:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> </p><p>列表的形式记录關注度不足的病毒株这个想法很好,希望能成为特色列表。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z-条目数量" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月25日 (一) 04:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z-条目数量"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z-\u6761\u76ee\u6570\u91cf","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-25T06:34:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z-条目数量"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-25T06:34:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>不好找,HKU3應該是第一個被發現的蝙蝠SARSr-CoV,發表時都還沒有命名,全文找不到HKU3這個名稱,只叫做bat-SL-CoV。這個列表我目前構想,是先以幾個段落的文字介紹2003年以來至今SARSr-CoV的研究史,包括重要的幾篇研究,和幾個特別重要的病毒株,列表的部分欄位應該包括名稱、宿主、樣本採集時間、採集地點、發表時間、序列長度、有完整序列與否、成功分離與否、序列與SARS-CoV(或SARS-CoV-2)的相似度以及註腳。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-25T06:34:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月25日 (一) 06:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-25T06:34:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-25T06:34:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-25T06:34:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikimycota"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-25T06:34:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-25T04:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="路過" data-mw-thread-id="h-路過-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z"><span id=".E8.B7.AF.E9.81.8E"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-路過-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z"></span>路過<span data-mw-comment-end="h-路過-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=6" title="编辑章节:路過"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z-路過"></span>顧名思義,路過。這就是神仙打架嘛 Orz —— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>.<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z-路過" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月26日 (二) 03:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z-路過"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T10:39:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月26日 (二) 10:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T10:39:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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<dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Ericliu1912</a>:</span>没事。刚发现,原来英文版的<a href="/wiki/%E8%8F%8A%E9%A0%AD%E8%9D%A0%E7%A7%91" title="菊頭蝠科">菊頭蝠科</a>最近成为了特色条目了,有一段整理了其SARSr-COV的数量,见<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_bat#Coronaviruses" class="extiw" title="en:Horseshoe bat">en:Horseshoe bat#Coronaviruses</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月26日 (二) 14:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T14:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T14:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z"></span>英文維基百科的優質內容產製速度血洗本地啊,生物學方面算是本地相對落後的一個領域。多虧有靖天子閣下等人奮力撐著門面。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>.<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T14:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月26日 (二) 14:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T14:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-26T14:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="真菌">真菌</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E7%99%BD%E8%89%B2%E5%BF%B5%E7%8F%A0%E8%8F%8C" title="白色念珠菌">白色念珠菌</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E7%AE%A1%E8%83%9E" title="管胞">管胞</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E7%B3%8A%E7%B2%89%E5%B1%A4" title="糊粉層">糊粉層</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E5%B7%B4%E7%88%BE%E5%B0%8F%E9%AB%94" title="巴爾小體">巴爾小體</a>),還有很多我希望能寫成優特的,包括<a href="/wiki/%E5%8F%A4%E8%8F%8C" title="古菌">古菌</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E8%BD%89%E9%8C%84" class="mw-redirect" title="轉錄">轉錄</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E8%BD%89%E8%AD%AF" class="mw-redirect" title="轉譯">轉譯</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E6%A0%B8%E7%B3%96%E9%AB%94" class="mw-redirect" title="核糖體">核糖體</a>、<a href="/wiki/TRNA" class="mw-redirect" title="TRNA">tRNA</a>、<a href="/wiki/MRNA" class="mw-redirect" title="MRNA">mRNA</a>、<a href="/wiki/RRNA" class="mw-redirect" title="RRNA">rRNA</a>、<a href="/wiki/MiRNA" class="mw-redirect" title="MiRNA">miRNA</a>、<a href="/wiki/RNA" class="mw-redirect" title="RNA">RNA</a>、<a href="/wiki/RNA%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C" class="mw-redirect" title="RNA世界">RNA世界</a>.....只是這些大都需要原創編寫,而需要長期規劃整理。</li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li>計算病毒株數目我覺得不一定能反映多樣性,畢竟有的毒株彼此高達99%相似也被視為不同的,可能某篇研究多採了幾隻蝙蝠就多幾個病毒株了。說到蝙蝠,這麼多年來我好像沒看過任何一位維基人寫蝙蝠的條目,也沒印象有在DYK見過,打開<a href="/wiki/%E7%BF%BC%E6%89%8B%E7%9B%AE%E5%88%86%E9%A1%9E%E8%A1%A8" class="mw-redirect" title="翼手目分類表">翼手目分類表</a>,大部分是紅字,藍字也全部都是小作品,大概放幾年都不會有人寫,可能等得哪天有對蝙蝠有興趣的「神仙」加入才能改善。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-26T20:25:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月26日 (二) 20:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-26T20:25:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-01-26T03:09:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-27T16:09:00.000Z-路過" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月27日 (三) 16:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-27T16:09:00.000Z-路過"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-27T16:09:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-27T16:09:00.000Z-\u8def\u904e","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-27T21:22:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-27T16:09:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-27T16:09:00.000Z-路過"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-27T21:22:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-27T16:09:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>我上去留言向他解釋了。另外英文版把gamma跟delta完全搞反了,不但模板裡寫反,很多條目裡也寫反,這錯誤實在是......看了編輯紀錄,不知道是不是ICTV網站上寫反了(我打不開ICTV網站上的分類表)。</dd> <dd>倒是有一點收穫,就是發現了幾個漏寫的鳥類病毒(有些是去年剛發表),例如<span class="ilh-all ilh-blue" data-orig-title="鴨冠狀病毒2714" data-lang-code="en" data-lang-name="英语" data-foreign-title="Duck coronavirus 2714"><span class="ilh-page"><a href="/wiki/%E9%B4%A8%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%922714" title="鴨冠狀病毒2714">鴨冠狀病毒2714</a></span></span>、<a href="/wiki/%E9%B5%9D%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92CB17" class="mw-redirect" title="鵝冠狀病毒CB17">鵝冠狀病毒CB17</a>,哎真是永遠沒有寫完的一天。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-28T02:09:00.000Z-路過"></span>看了一下ICTV没搞错,Ypna搞错了。另外,他用的NL63-related bat coronavirus strain BtKYNL63-9b、Myodes coronavirus 2JL14也全都是ICTV里的物种名--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-28T02:09:00.000Z-路過" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月28日 (四) 02:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-28T02:09:00.000Z-路過"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-03T01:28:00.000Z-ICTV等"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>打擾了,能不能幫我看下ICTV網站(不知為何我用任何瀏覽器都顯示錯誤頁面),gammacoronavirus現在是不是分成五個物種(Avian coronavirus, Avian coronavirus 9203, Duck coronavirus 2714, Beluga whale coronavirus SW1與Goose coronavirus CB17)?網站上有提供支序圖或其他分類資訊嗎?謝謝。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-03T01:28:00.000Z-ICTV等" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月3日 (三) 01:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-03T01:28:00.000Z-ICTV等"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T01:28:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-03T01:28:00.000Z-ICTV\u7b49","replies":[],"displayName":"Wiki SL-CoV"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-03T01:28:00.000Z-ICTV等"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T01:40:00.000Z-ICTV等"></span>是的,ICTV的分类系统里,gamma分为三个亚属,五个种,和当前英文版一致,其中 Avian coronavirus 是 Igacovirus 的“模式种”--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T01:40:00.000Z-ICTV等" 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title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>感謝,我將擴充<a href="/wiki/%E9%B3%A5%E9%A1%9E%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="鳥類冠狀病毒">鳥類冠狀病毒</a>條目至優良條目。火雞的看來也被歸入9203了。最基群是鯨豚那隻嗎?看到有文章說CB17是<i>Igacovirus</i>(三個鳥類病毒物種)的姊妹群。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-03T01:58:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T01:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月3日 (三) 01:58 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-03T01:58:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T01:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=TRANSFAC&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="TRANSFAC(页面不存在)">TRANSFAC</a>数据库,见<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Boghog" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:Boghog">en:User_talk:Boghog</a>中的About_{{Transcription_factors_and_intracellular_receptors}} </p><p>PS:96%是个挺神奇的病毒全基因组相似度,SARS-COV-1和<a href="/wiki/WIV16%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="WIV16病毒">WIV16病毒</a>,SARS-COV-2和<a href="/wiki/RaTG13%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="RaTG13病毒">RaTG13病毒</a>,OC43和<a href="/wiki/%E7%89%9B%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="牛冠狀病毒">牛冠狀病毒</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z-ICTV等" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月3日 (三) 03:21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z-ICTV等"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z-ICTV\u7b49","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-03T06:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z-ICTV等"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-03T06:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>恐怖唷,不知道這3-4%是不是某個很難變異出來、感染人類所需的關鍵元件(ORF8?),一旦越過這最後一道關卡人類就淪陷了(好像在講<span class="ilh-all" data-orig-title="Great Filter" data-lang-code="en" data-lang-name="英语" data-foreign-title="Great Filter"><span class="ilh-page"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Great_Filter&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Great Filter(页面不存在)">Great Filter</a></span><span class="noprint ilh-comment">(<span class="ilh-lang">英语</span><span class="ilh-colon">:</span><span class="ilh-link"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter" class="extiw" title="en:Great Filter"><span lang="en" dir="auto">Great Filter</span></a></span>)</span></span>)</dd> <dd>用資料庫的好處是簡明、編輯門檻低、好維護,但如果有人對這個領域很熟悉(Ypna應該也是病毒學的專家)人為去抓文獻可以得到比較豐富的結果。</dd> <dd>另外感謝閣下創了<a href="/wiki/MALAT1" title="MALAT1">MALAT1</a>,還有興趣寫其他基因嗎?我特別喜歡lnRNA,有機會可以擴充。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-03T06:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月3日 (三) 06:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-03T06:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-03T06:14:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-03T06:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wiki SL-CoV"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-03T06:14:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T03:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T06:46:00.000Z-ICTV等"></span>在下觉得应该不是<span class="ilh-all" data-orig-title="Great Filter" data-lang-code="en" data-lang-name="英语" data-foreign-title="Great Filter"><span class="ilh-page"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Great_Filter&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Great Filter(页面不存在)">Great Filter</a></span><span class="noprint ilh-comment">(<span class="ilh-lang">英语</span><span class="ilh-colon">:</span><span class="ilh-link"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter" class="extiw" title="en:Great Filter"><span lang="en" dir="auto">Great Filter</span></a></span>)</span></span>,而只是采样密度的问题,随着田野调查的深入,应该会发现相似度更高的不能感染人的病毒,除非MERS等一系列别的也卡在96% </p><p><a href="/wiki/PCGEM1" title="PCGEM1">PCGEM1</a>、<a href="/wiki/VIS1" title="VIS1">His-1</a>、MALAT1、<a href="/wiki/H19_(%E5%9F%BA%E5%9B%A0)" title="H19 (基因)">H19</a>这几个,是在<a href="/wiki/%E9%99%88%E6%B6%A6%E7%94%9F" title="陈润生">陈润生</a>院士的公开课第三集中看到的,见<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1YZ4y1H7Hh?p=3">[14]</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T06:46:00.000Z-ICTV等" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月3日 (三) 06:46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T06:46:00.000Z-ICTV等"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>,應該是取樣誤差所致,跟MERS最接近的是<a href="/wiki/%E7%A5%96%E9%AD%AF%E6%A3%95%E8%9D%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="祖魯棕蝠冠狀病毒">祖魯棕蝠冠狀病毒</a>,沒有做全基因組定序,但看RdRP的差異,兩者應該還是差蠻遠的。期待哪天能發現跟SARS-CoV-2相似度99%的病毒。</dd> <dd>閣下工作之餘還看公開課,並將所學寫成條目,要是有更多生物學者這麼做就好了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-03T18:50:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T06:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月3日 (三) 18:50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-03T18:50:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-03T06:46:00.000Z"><span 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title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T01:21:00.000Z-ICTV等" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月5日 (五) 01:21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T01:21:00.000Z-ICTV等"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-05T06:18:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T01:21:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T07:30:00.000Z-ICTV等"></span>明白了阁下对DYK 应该只上一次的想法,不过在下觉得wiki上关于科学的内容应该多多宣传才是。</li> <li>在下感觉Puffinosis应该是污染吧,毕竟1982年的实验,如果放在今天,应该会先来一次组织RNA测序,看看有没有冠状病毒RNA。</li> <li>突然发现<a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E9%BC%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92HKU24" class="mw-redirect" title="中國鼠冠狀病毒HKU24">HKU24</a>也是在大鼠中发现的病毒,那<a href="/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E9%BC%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="大鼠冠狀病毒">大鼠冠状病毒</a>这个条目未来应该改为对“所有能感染大鼠的冠状病毒”的综述性质条目。</li> <li>结合A支系大部分都在<a href="/wiki/%E5%95%AE%E9%BD%BF%E5%8A%A8%E7%89%A9" class="mw-redirect" title="啮齿动物">啮齿动物</a>(鼠类、兔类),估计有好多次传播到大鼠的事件,待以后看看怎么写吧。</li> <li>“可能是起源于鼠类,而非蝙蝠” 这样表达感觉不妥,毕竟整个α、β冠状病毒都是起源于蝙蝠,这样表达会让读者以为此病毒的演化路径无关蝙蝠,“早先就传播到啮齿动物”、“在啮齿动物中长期独立演化”(还是阁下来组织语言吧)</li></ol> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T07:30:00.000Z-ICTV等"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-05T09:29:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T07:30:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span></dd></dl> <ul><li><ol><li>確實,科學條目少得可憐,不成比例,DYK跟優特條目經常半條科學條目都沒有,過去一直想推廣專業人士進來寫,多年來的感想還是我自己動手寫最快。不過說到這我倒是突然想到,閣下是不是之前有召集身邊的人合寫生物條目過?</li> <li>是的,後續也無人研究了,但是個挺吸引人的假說(原論文聲稱只有患病鳥類組織感染的小鼠中可以分出病毒,其他小鼠中沒有),畢竟gamma跟delta都有外溢到哺乳類,alpha跟beta外溢到鳥類也是可以想像的。</li> <li>是的,感染大鼠中的冠狀病毒有三:1.MCoV下的所有大鼠冠狀病毒、2.HKU24、3.alpha的<a href="/wiki/%E9%B9%BF%E5%9F%8E%E8%A4%90%E5%AE%B6%E9%BC%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="鹿城褐家鼠冠状病毒">鹿城褐家鼠冠狀病毒</a>,小鼠的則有二:1.MCoV下的MHV、2.乙型冠狀病毒1型的龍泉黑線姬鼠冠狀病毒(LAMV)。但後面幾種幾乎無人討論,文獻中提到"Rat Coronavirus"、"Mouse Coronavirus"還是都只在討論MCoV底下的。如果之後有更多種病毒發現,可以將<a href="/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E9%BC%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="大鼠冠狀病毒">大鼠冠狀病毒</a>獨立寫成綜述條目。兔也有類似狀況,除了HKU14外至少有兩株很早就發現但無人研究的冠狀病毒。</li> <li>確實可能有此誤解,還是您想得周到,我稍微調了一下,您看能不能再調。可惜這個假說提出時就只是一筆帶過,寫太多怕有原創研究的感覺--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-05T09:29:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T07:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月5日 (五) 09:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-05T09:29:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T07:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=8" title="编辑章节:鼠類的冠狀病毒"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T15:04:00.000Z-鼠類的冠狀病毒"></span>在下还有个问题,在A支系中,ICTV给出的是五个物种,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myodes_coronavirus_2JL14" class="extiw" title="en:Myodes coronavirus 2JL14">en:Myodes coronavirus 2JL14</a>应该在系统树的哪里?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-05T15:04:00.000Z-鼠類的冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月5日 (五) 15:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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href="https://microbiomejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40168-018-0554-9#MOESM1">[15]</a>,這篇是大規模鼠類病毒的survey,沒有深入探討冠狀病毒,但發現了支序A大量的鼠類病毒(Fig.5),感染包括不同屬的許多物種(不只大鼠與小鼠),2JL14在beta-CoV-1的那一支,不考慮基部那個HJL2015的話樹型還是MCoV, HKU1 以及 beta-CoV-1兩大支,比起HKU24那篇只發現一種就宣稱支序A共祖是鼠病毒,這篇的結果才真正說明了這點。</li></ul> <dl><dd>另還有兩點讓我驚喜的:1.AlphaCoV那邊有許多跟鹿城鼠病毒相關的,表示這不是孤例,AlphaCoV那裡真的有一大支跳到了囓齒類;2.Alpha基群是一個在西藏鼩鼱發現的病毒,馬上讓我想起之前寫過的<a href="/wiki/%E6%96%87%E6%88%90%E9%BC%A9%E9%BC%B1%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="文成鼩鼱病毒">文成鼩鼱病毒</a>,在演化樹上也是AlphaCoV的基群,看來這也不是孤例。可惜這篇作者並未引用文成病毒那篇。</dd> <dd>ICTV獨列2JL14是我不太能理解的,2JL14的位置並不特別特殊。這些病毒株本身根本沒有任何介紹,應該是不符合關注度的,寫了2JL14,就沒理由不寫另外20幾個病毒株的條目,真的要寫的話寫成「鼠類的冠狀病毒」(Coronavirus in rodents)比較合理。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-06T15:51:00.000Z-鼠類的冠狀病毒"></span>谢谢阁下指出了這篇文章,这篇文章中冠状病毒的内容是Figure 5a 与 Figure S6,分别以RdRp和S蛋白建立的系统树<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">只不过鹿城褐家鼠冠状病毒没有在S蛋白树中列出,HKU24在RdRp树中也标红了让人难找</mark>,写作的时间应该晚于<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%948#有關冠狀病毒" title="User talk:靖天子/存檔8">User_talk:靖天子/存檔8#有關冠狀病毒</a>里提到的HKU24和鹿城褐家鼠冠状病毒发表的时间,但早于文成鼩鼱病毒(WESV)的发表时间<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.virosin.org/news/news_cn/PT1707030000118DaGc.htm">[16]</a><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">MCOV中的LRLV和β1CoV中的LAMV在这篇文章中分别标为“longquan-708”和“longquan-343”?</mark> </p><p>貌似无论RdRp还是S建树,与OC43关系最近者都不是<a href="/wiki/%E7%89%9B%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="牛冠狀病毒">牛冠状病毒</a>,牛冠状病毒只是全基因组与OC43最近吗?还是β1CoV中有其它更近的? </p><p>文成鼩鼱病毒(WESV)与这篇文章提出来的Shrew-CoV/Tibet2014的关系不知道后来有没有人做过? </p><p>这篇文章里和鹿城褐家鼠冠状病毒最近的是<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%8F%E5%BB%BA%E7%9C%81" title="福建省">福建省</a>发现的RtRl-CoV/FJ2015,这么近的距离,估计真的是 in situ evolution --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-06T15:51:00.000Z-鼠類的冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月6日 (六) 15:51 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-06T15:51:00.000Z-鼠類的冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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title="鼠冠狀病毒">鼠冠狀病毒</a>中使用比較有彈性的描述,形容它跟MCoV、HKU1都很接近,但是作者選擇將其歸入MCoV,估計是當時不知HKU1有鼠病毒,根據大規模鼠病毒研究結果,LRLV(龍泉708)應該是在HKU1這一支(因為地位模糊我就沒有畫在演化樹上了),LAMV(龍泉343,龍泉黑線姬鼠冠狀病毒)確實在betaCoV1那一邊,但跟HKU24和其他鼠病毒成一支,跟其他betaCoV1沒那麼近,看起來不應該算betaCoV1的一株,否則兔HKU14跟HKU24也都能歸入betaCoV1了<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">我一開始真的因為紅字漏看了HKU24跟LAMV</mark>。現在冠狀病毒這麼火紅,期待能再有幾篇這樣的大規模調查研究(特別是中國以外的)出來。</dd> <dd>OC43跟馬、牛關係估計都很接近,也是不同區域做的結果不同,不知道是不是也有重組發生(但目前看到文章都咬定OC43是直接從牛分家)</dd> <dd>「鼠類的冠狀病毒」,可以alpha、beta分段,alpha講鹿城那一支,beta至少有MCoV、HKU1-like、HKU24/LAMV-like三支,然後再一節講演化(確實有點原創總結的感覺)。同理還有「蝙蝠的冠狀病毒」、「鳥類的冠狀病毒」。</dd> <dd>順帶一提,<a href="/wiki/%E9%BC%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="鼠冠狀病毒">鼠冠狀病毒</a>經過這幾天擴充,感覺足夠典範條目了,打算在優良條目之後提出,閣下認為這個條目還有沒有哪些內容可以寫的?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-06T22:03:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-06T16:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-07T01:10:00.000Z-鼠類的冠狀病毒"></span>有没有这种可能,LRLV(龍泉189、370、708)、LAMV(龍泉343)发表时,HKU1、14都已经发表了,但是ICTV并未更新,其A支系中,给出的只有两个物种:β1-COV 和 M-COV,所以那篇文章就暂时放入了这两个?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-07T01:10:00.000Z-鼠類的冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月7日 (日) 01:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-07T01:10:00.000Z-鼠類的冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" 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London Michael Faraday Prize</a>,感覺閣下會有興趣撰寫此條目以及上面的科學家。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-07T07:54:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-07T01:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月7日 (日) 07:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-07T07:54:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-07T01:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://oup.silverchair-cdn.com/oup/backfile/Content_public/Journal/femsre/44/5/10.1093_femsre_fuaa026/1/fuaa026fig2.jpeg?Expires=1615339227&amp;Signature=mbTeIwlrTTK0lPOkg66PicX~KISOmE1F~nTILtl1PXqqqiwCIVIw4MBJd0y1rjnxIYh7M5Nft~NMp5QzFaOaBnKXE7KDYD5BqnU9ZVNJuYXP63uY8m2bSO3vDWGxo0REK4tsEcgB66EvMqB4DkpK8IJsi5EYR3x1hE1-pM9pPSLeymhuPm1A0IghX3KeuZ52A41QazDE1tHxgkvAwCguthxi7cFQGf~GQ6WPBLhMsW~ZFlc2PLg~OJMm-3atqOxPWHzFemHGRbtQOQe9VoaafLyzkKgr6kCFPuexTanpyyjXPareXMkTIwGiLUrMDAE3D1JBhcPOjFW3R-~K7Tj1Iw__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA">[17]</a>),將Avian coronavirus 9203(包含Turkey Coronavirus跟一些IBV的病毒株)跟Duck coronavirus 2714另立條目,還是將這些都寫在同一條目中?這些病毒分類相當混亂,Duck coronavirus 2714那一支也包含許多名為Avian Coronavirus XXXX的病毒--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a 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id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-08T06:05:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒"></span>不敢當,不敢當,能像<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%98%E6%98%93%E6%96%AF%C2%B7%E6%89%98%E9%A9%AC%E6%96%AF%E5%A5%96" title="刘易斯·托马斯奖">刘易斯·托马斯奖</a>一样把坑填完就行了<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>,话说这两个都是科普类的奖项,有好多人获奖者重复的 </p><p>感觉「鳥類的冠狀病毒」和Avian coronavirus、IBV的处理方式可能要像鼠这样处理: </p> <table class="wikitable" align="center"> <tbody><tr> <th></th> <th>综述性条目</th> <th>ICTV定义的物种</th> <th>模式株 </th></tr> <tr> <td>鸟类</td> <td><a href="/w/index.php?title=%E9%B3%A5%E9%A1%9E%E7%9A%84%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="鳥類的冠狀病毒(页面不存在)">鳥類的冠狀病毒</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%BD%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="禽冠狀病毒">禽冠狀病毒</a></td> <td>禽<a href="/wiki/%E5%82%B3%E6%9F%93%E6%80%A7%E6%94%AF%E6%B0%A3%E7%AE%A1%E7%82%8E%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="傳染性支氣管炎病毒">傳染性支氣管炎病毒</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>英文</td> <td>Coronavirus in birds</td> <td>Avian coronavirus, A-COV</td> <td>Avian infectious bronchitis virus, IBV </td></tr> <tr> <td>鼠类</td> <td><a href="/w/index.php?title=%E9%BC%A0%E9%A1%9E%E7%9A%84%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="鼠類的冠狀病毒(页面不存在)">鼠類的冠狀病毒</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/%E9%BC%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="鼠冠狀病毒">鼠冠狀病毒</a></td> <td><a href="/wiki/%E9%BC%A0%E8%82%9D%E7%82%8E%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="鼠肝炎病毒">鼠肝炎病毒</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>英文</td> <td>Coronavirus in rodents</td> <td>Murine coronavirus, M-COV</td> <td>Mouse hepatitis virus, MHV </td></tr> </tbody></table> <ol><li>「鳥類的冠狀病毒」,可以gamma、delta分段,gamma里似乎除了<i>Cegacovirus</i>,都是鸟类的?</li> <li>「禽冠狀病毒」里可以一笔带过以Avian coronavirus 9203为模式株的另一个ICTV定義的种,主要介绍该种下各个株</li> <li>IBV建议还是移动回原条目名,顺便吐槽一下英文维基对这里的处理:"Avian coronavirus (IBV) is a coronavirus that infects birds, causing the associated disease avian infectious bronchitis (IB). "让人一头雾水</li></ol> <p>另外,阁下不先把<a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="冠状病毒">冠状病毒</a>提报DYK吗?还没上过,再不提报要过期了 --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-08T06:05:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月8日 (一) 06:05 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-08T06:05:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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Coronavirus、ICTV的那個種)與<a href="/wiki/%E5%82%B3%E6%9F%93%E6%80%A7%E6%94%AF%E6%B0%A3%E7%AE%A1%E7%82%8E%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="傳染性支氣管炎病毒">傳染性支氣管炎病毒</a>(IBV)分成兩個不同條目嗎?這裡比鼠類更難處理是因為MHV至少通通是從屬於M-CoV之下的,但IBV不同的株系分散在Avian Coronavirus以及Avian Coronavirus 9203這兩個物種中,另一點是Duck coronavirus 2714下的許多病毒株又叫做Avian Coronavirus XXXX(<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://academic.oup.com/femsre/article/44/5/631/5872484">[18]</a>此篇Fig.1有清楚的演化樹)。如果分開的話,<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%BD%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="禽冠狀病毒">禽冠狀病毒</a>跟<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%BD%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%929203" title="禽冠狀病毒9203">禽冠狀病毒9203</a>就只講分類,<a href="/wiki/%E5%82%B3%E6%9F%93%E6%80%A7%E6%94%AF%E6%B0%A3%E7%AE%A1%E7%82%8E%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="傳染性支氣管炎病毒">傳染性支氣管炎病毒</a>才介紹病毒機制與疾病?另一種處理方式是只寫一個條目<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%BD%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="禽冠狀病毒">禽冠狀病毒</a>,將Avian Coronavirus, Avian Coronavirus 9203跟Duck coronavirus 2714的分類,下面各病毒(包括IBV、火雞病毒、鴨病毒的分子機制流行病學研究歷史)都包含在內。</dd> <dd>是的,gamma只有Cegacovirus是哺乳類,有一點讓我感到意外的是,原本以為鯨豚這支是從某個鳥類病毒外溢過去,應該散落在鳥類支系中,但Cegacovirus其實是整個gamma的基群,在演化史上是個有趣的課題。</dd> <dd>DYK只有中間不要中斷超過7天都行的,我這裡還有許多內容可以迅速的「打將」<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>(不知道閣下下不下棋,借用圍棋術語)--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-08T11:42:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒"></span>原来IBV和Avian Coronavirus的关系这么复杂,在下感觉IBV作为条目应该就写作为模式株的 NC 001451 的发现与研究,至于 KY 805845 、 MK 937829 这些分类在9203里的一笔带过吧 </p><p>如同这篇文章指出的发现了多个鸟类冠状病毒物种,在下觉得根本问题是RdRp同一性大于90这个单一标准过于武断,导致2JL14、9203等奇怪的物种名 </p><p>在下是赞成分開条目的,但是<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%BD%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="禽冠狀病毒">禽冠狀病毒</a>跟<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%BD%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%929203" title="禽冠狀病毒9203">禽冠狀病毒9203</a>最好先缓一缓不写,估计2020年的这篇文章之后,ICTV会更新gamma和delta的种属分类,现在可以先把(包括IBV、火雞病毒、鴨病毒的分子機制流行病學研究歷史)都包含在 Igacovirus 或<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E9%B3%A5%E9%A1%9E%E7%9A%84%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="鳥類的冠狀病毒(页面不存在)">鳥類的冠狀病毒</a>条目内。 </p><p>PS:<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.doc88.com/p-30799080333909.html">[19]</a>这篇文章里,2018b版的ICTV分类,gamma还只有两个亚属两个种。 </p><p>PS2: 想到一个综述性条目避免“原创研究”的方法,<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://topicpageswiki.plos.org/wiki/Author_Guide">[20]</a>里 dual-published both in the journal and Wikipedia --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-08T11:42:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月8日 (一) 11:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-08T11:42:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Igacovirus(页面不存在)">Igacovirus</a>的條目把這三個物種全部包含在內是最適合的(IBV、火雞病毒、鴨病毒、ACoV、ACoV9203都重定向到這條目),之後若有餘力再寫<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E9%B3%A5%E9%A1%9E%E7%9A%84%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="鳥類的冠狀病毒(页面不存在)">鳥類的冠狀病毒</a>(綜述文章,包含gamma與delta的),但以Igacovirus為這一大型條目名稱又感覺有點彆扭。</dd> <dd>閣下提供「談冠色變」的文章,裡面有許多有意思的中文名,像「普氏蹄蝠冠狀病毒Zhejiang2013」「黃鼠冠狀病毒HKU24」,要不要把這些條目移動到相應名稱?</dd> <dd>Whoa! 感謝閣下提供PloS Wiki,看起來太有趣了,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">感覺比在中文維基寫條目有趣多,我都快跳槽了</mark>,不過我挺驚訝為何多年來文章這麼少,PloS Genetics與PloS Computational Biology各約十篇左右,PloS One則一篇都沒有,這可是全世界的作者啊,不曉得是不是他們審稿很嚴,還是大多數科學研究者不會像我倆這樣業餘去鑽研一個主題....--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-08T23:53:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月8日 (一) 23:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-08T23:53:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-08T23:53:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-08T23:53:00.000Z-\u9e1f\u985e\u7684\u51a0\u72c0\u75c5\u6bd2","replies":[],"displayName":"Wiki SL-CoV"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-08T23:53:00.000Z-鸟類的冠狀病毒"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="翻译与译名问题" data-mw-thread-id="h-翻译与译名问题-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z"><span id=".E7.BF.BB.E8.AF.91.E4.B8.8E.E8.AF.91.E5.90.8D.E9.97.AE.E9.A2.98"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-翻译与译名问题-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z"></span>翻译与译名问题<span data-mw-comment-end="h-翻译与译名问题-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=10" title="编辑章节:翻译与译名问题"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"></span>如果有发表文献支持,那还是移动吧,貌似“China Rattus”在中国大陆被称为“黃鼠”?同时感觉在下18年开的某菌菇译名的玩笑,最后导致阁下对社群某些事物心灰意冷,实在不好意思啦 </p><p>跳槽应该算不上吧,毕竟可以草稿里中英文双向并进吗,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">吐槽一下自己在英文写的很多stub条目都没有翻译到中文,主要也是人名译名问题</mark> </p><p>PloS Wiki 上应该可以用类似 HKU1-related coronavirus 这样的符合惯例的“原创”分类名吧--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月9日 (二) 04:02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z-\u7ffb\u8bd1\u4e0e\u8bd1\u540d\u95ee\u9898","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-09T23:08:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"></span> </p> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-09T23:08:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>剛剛移動了HKU24與浙江2013的標題,這篇中文文章還是有許多類似「魯布巴特蜜環菌」的譯名,<a href="/wiki/%E6%9E%9C%E8%9D%A0%E5%B1%AC" title="果蝠屬">果蝠屬</a>(<i>Rousettus</i>)給翻成了「盧塞圖斯蝠」,<a href="/wiki/%E4%BC%8F%E7%BF%BC%E5%B1%9E" title="伏翼属">伏翼屬</a>(<i>Pipistrellus</i>)給翻成「皮皮斯特勒斯蝙蝠」這樣荒謬的名字,看到這些我不禁想起閣下當年開玩笑說如果有人想在中文維基建立「魯布巴特蜜環菌」,他首先需要發表一篇中文論文使用此名,再到中文維基來移動名稱.......不過我對中文維基的社群不再抱持希望,其實是社群長期沈淪退化使然,大概到我退選管理員才完全絕望,跟譯名事件沒有直接關係。看看現在的中文維基,社群沉痾、體制僵化,眾人以方針指引為利劍刺向彼此,新手被非常粗暴地對待....說到「跳槽」的話題,不瞞您說,我確實有在考慮將重心移到英文版,例如把自己在中文寫的優特翻譯到英文版,或在英文版寫出優特後再自己翻譯過來。</li></ul> <dl><dd>還是別說這些不開心的了,說些有趣的。剛翻查HKU24時看到這篇<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12250-020-00325-z">[21]</a>,delta居然都外溢到鼠類去了,看完讓我更加覺得在PloS Wiki上寫"Coronavirus in rodents"是個好點子,不知道PloS Genetics或PloS One會不會有興趣收錄這樣的文章;還有這篇<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2020.01795/full">[22]</a>(這篇的主題其實相當符合PloS Topic Article的內容形式),竟有在<a href="/wiki/%E6%B5%B7%E8%B1%B9" title="海豹">海豹</a>中發現alpha與gamma CoV的紀錄。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-09T23:08:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月9日 (二) 23:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-09T23:08:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-09T23:08:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-09T23:08:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wiki SL-CoV"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-09T23:08:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-09T04:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-10T04:11:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"></span>谢谢阁下分享文章,说说在下的几点发现 </p><p>1. <a href="/wiki/PLOS_ONE" title="PLOS ONE">PLOS ONE</a>并不是没有发表于enwiki的文章,不过只有一篇<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicke_model" class="extiw" title="en:Dicke model">en:Dicke model</a><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">在下完全看不懂在说什么<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b></mark> </p><p>2. 感觉"Coronavirus in rodents"是个很重要的话题,虽然没有文献明说,但目前的数据很明显指出HKU1、HECV-4408和OC43都是传播到人的以鼠类为 reservoir 的冠状病毒,不过传播途径不同: </p> <table class="wikitable" align="center"> <tbody><tr> <th></th> <th>HKU1</th> <th>HECV-4408</th> <th>OC43 </th></tr> <tr> <td>来源</td> <td>某支接近LRLV的鼠冠状病毒</td> <td>某支接近LAMV/HKU24的鼠冠状病毒</td> <td>某支接近LAMV/HKU24的鼠冠状病毒 </td></tr> <tr> <td>中间宿主</td> <td>可能没有</td> <td>β1冠状病毒中的牛冠状病毒</td> <td>某支β1冠状病毒 </td></tr> <tr> <td>影响</td> <td>可能大范围传播过</td> <td>个例</td> <td>大范围传播 </td></tr> <tr> <td>受体</td> <td>9-O-Ac-Sias</td> <td>9-O-Ac-Sias</td> <td>9-O-Ac-Sias </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>3. frontier上的那篇mini review的篇幅相对PLOS Topic Pages短了一些。个人感觉,其实mini review的篇幅更适合维基百科,如果"Coronavirus in rodents"要写到PLOS Topic的篇幅,像上面传播到人的鼠类冠状病毒内容也要写进去了,还有地理分布等。 </p><p>4. α1CoV的姊妹群被叫做α2CoV,这有足够的参考文献支持吗?如果这样命名形成惯例的话,那β1CoV的在鼠类的冠状病毒中的姊妹群也可以被叫做β2CoV了? </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-10T04:11:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月10日 (三) 04:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-10T04:11:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-10T04:11:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-10T04:11:00.000Z-\u7ffb\u8bd1\u4e0e\u8bd1\u540d\u95ee\u9898","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-10T04:11:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"></span> </p><p><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-10T22:03:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>PloS Topic Article這樣的平台應該好好對科研人員推廣才是,應該比WikiJournal的吸引力高多了。是的,鼠類在此扮演的角色很關鍵,且考慮到人類接觸老鼠的機率遠大於接觸蝙蝠的機率,這樣的傳播事件應該發生了很多次,只是因不造成嚴重疾病而不為人知罷了。 </p> <dl><dd>α2CoV的命名來自<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://msphere.asm.org/content/3/1/e00463-17">[23]</a>,不知道"Murine Coronavirus"的定義會不會擴大到包含整個Embevirus的鼠病毒。</dd> <dd>在這裡存放一些昨晚查到有關鼠病毒的文章或資料庫中的序列<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-017-0766-9">[24]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://academic.oup.com/ve/article/6/2/veaa078/5934349">[25]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/9/12/364/htm">[26]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KM888172.1">[27]</a>(unpublished)<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MH107329.1">[28]</a>(unpublished),如果有機會寫"Coronavirus in rodents"所需的文獻,我會繼續收集,閣下如有發現遺漏的也歡迎貼在這裡。目前看來鼠病毒的主要支序應該是清楚了,Alpha一支(鹿城等),Beta三支(M-CoV、HKU1-like、HKU24-like,但後者有可能再細分),沒有明顯地域性(有兩篇是歐洲樣本),但樹形每一篇有些許差異,我有機會可以自己用軟體將所有序列跑一遍試試(畢竟可以明目張膽的原創研究了)。另外兔HKU14那邊也有許多接近的兔病毒,且alpha也有一支兔病毒(跟古老文獻中發現的兔腸道病毒吻合)。此外鼩鼱病毒也是alpha的一支,應該位在比較基群(仍有分歧),雖然非嚙齒類,許多文獻把它跟鼠一起討論。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-10T22:03:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月10日 (三) 22:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-10T22:03:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-10T22:03:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-10T22:03:00.000Z-\u7ffb\u8bd1\u4e0e\u8bd1\u540d\u95ee\u9898","replies":[],"displayName":"Wiki SL-CoV"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-10T22:03:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"></span></dd></dl> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21240-1"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T03:19:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"></span>[29]</a>刚报道的一个SARS-COV-2相关的东南亚蝙蝠病毒。感觉可以在"Coronavirus in rodents"里顺带介绍兔病毒和鼩鼱病毒,一个宿主亲缘关系近,一个生活习性近(在我这外行人看来是这样)。另外,法国的那篇文章,里面列出的好多系列都没见过,看来在下之前看文章的地域性太重了--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T03:19:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月11日 (四) 03:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T03:19:00.000Z-翻译与译名问题"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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#000000bf">希望我都能如期寫完</mark>。那篇法國的文章中使用的許多序列是僅有上傳到NCBI,未有相應發表文章的,這些序列我正在NCBI收集,有些來自兩三個最後沒有發表鼠類研究,有些是其他齧齒動物中發現的孤例(<a href="/wiki/%E9%A3%9B%E9%BC%A0" class="mw-redirect" title="飛鼠">飛鼠</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E8%B1%AA%E8%B1%AC" title="豪豬">豪豬</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E8%A3%B8%E9%BC%B9%E9%BC%A0" title="裸鼹鼠">裸鼴鼠</a>),不清楚是偶然的外溢還是確實在野外存在此病毒,這些零星序列可在Coronavirus in rodents中可列出一表格整理。兔與鼩鼱也可用一「相關病毒」之類的段落概括。感覺能寫的內容相當充足,在下認為已經可以寄信給PloS Genetics或PloS One負責Topic Article的人詢問他們是否對這樣的文章有興趣。</li></ul> <dl><dd>另外一點離題的:剛剛寫了賀歲條目<a href="/wiki/%E7%8E%8B%E6%B0%8F%E6%B0%B4%E7%89%9B" title="王氏水牛">王氏水牛</a>,換換口味,<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cnki.sris.com.tw/kcms/detail/detail.aspx?recid=&amp;FileName=DZRA200004001&amp;DbName=CJFDN7904&amp;DbCode=CJFD">這篇文章</a>不知道閣下能不能打開,記得知網以前可免費預覽幾頁,現在好像不行了(如果要付費的話就不麻煩了)。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wiki SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a 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class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="新春快乐!!!" data-mw-thread-id="h-新春快乐!!!-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z"><span id=".E6.96.B0.E6.98.A5.E5.BF.AB.E4.B9.90.EF.BC.81.EF.BC.81.EF.BC.81"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-新春快乐!!!-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z"></span>新春快乐!!!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-新春快乐!!!-Merry_Christmas!!!-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=11" title="编辑章节:新春快乐!!!"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"></span>祝阁下新春快乐!!! </p><p>在家不能打開cnki,如果在学校应该可以,话说在下前几天在PloS Genetics的编辑里留言问了关于一个图片的改进问题<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Evolution_and_evolvability#about_this_image" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:Evolution and evolvability">en:User_talk:Evolution_and_evolvability#about_this_image</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月11日 (四) 09:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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SL-CoV</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🦠</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-11T19:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月11日 (四) 19:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-11T19:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-11T19:28:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-11T19:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wiki SL-CoV"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-11T19:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-11T09:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"></span>关于RaTG13,一个好消息是,这一个月内被翻译成法语等多个语言;一个坏消息是,‎Alexbrn将‎Phylogenetics一节都删去了,原因似乎是“生物医学条目不能只有一手来源”?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月12日 (五) 16:29 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z-\u65b0\u6625\u5feb\u4e50\uff01\uff01\uff01","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-13T00:33:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-13T00:33:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>這有點胡鬧了啊....他移除的內容只是RaTG13跟SARS2的相似度、SARS跟SARS的相似度、RmYN02跟SARS的相似度,<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%9D%9E%E5%8E%9F%E5%89%B5%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:非原創研究">WP:非原創研究</a>:<code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">已發表且可靠的第一手來源(如由大學出版社或主流報紙發表)可能可以使用於維基百科,但應小心謹慎,以避免濫用。對第一手來源的任何解釋都需要可靠的第二手來源的相同解釋加以支持。如果沒有第二手來源,第一手來源只能用於描述性斷言</code>),以這種新發表的物種(病毒)而言,勢必得主要使用第一手來源(發表物種的論文)撰寫,單純客觀的事實(外觀、各項數據、序列相似度)可以直接敘述,牽涉到提出理論解釋的(根據實驗結果提出的假說、作者認為的演化過程)則應小心使用,例如加上「作者認為」「有學者提出」「可能」等字眼,但相似度.....come on</dd> <dd>退一萬步說,發表RaTG13的原始論文已被多篇其他論文引用,有多篇論文提及RaTG13和SARS2的相似度為96.2%,引述那幾篇論文至少(在佐證這句話上)可算是第二手來源,如果非要等到有綜述性文章提到這個數字才能寫入,太不現實了。</dd> <dd>另外,驚覺英文版有人寫了RacCS203,點進去看果然是閣下。中文版也有打算寫嗎?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-13T00:33:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-12T16:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月13日 (六) 00:33 (UTC)</a><span 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T00:49:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月13日 (六) 00:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9244739/New-coronavirus-closely-linked-SARS-CoV-2-discovered-bats-Thailand.html">[30]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55998157">[31]</a>加進去吧,我認為這反映的是整個維基的制度正在僵化,沒想到英文版也有這樣的情形。<a href="/w/index.php?title=RacCS203%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="RacCS203病毒(页面不存在)">RacCS203病毒</a>的中文條目我有空時寫吧,這幾天分心跑去寫水牛了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-13T07:41:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T00:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月13日 (六) 07:41 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-13T07:41:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T00:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-13T07:41:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-13T07:41:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T00:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-13T07:41:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T00:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T08:44:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"></span>奇怪,加上的这两个来源也会被戴上:use of deprecated (unreliable) source 标签--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T08:44:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月13日 (六) 08:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T08:44:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-13T09:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月13日 (六) 09:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-13T09:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T08:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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09:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T09:49:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-13T09:49:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T09:49:00.000Z-\u65b0\u6625\u5feb\u4e50\uff01\uff01\uff01","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T09:49:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T11:53:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"></span>是每日邮报被列为了不可靠来源,已有用户过来删除了,另外,今天终于把上次说的《病毒星球》里提到的科学家(有英文条目的)给建立了stub,顺带瞎翻译了两个来自西班牙语的<a href="/wiki/%E8%83%A1%E5%AE%89%C2%B7%E6%9B%BC%E5%8A%AA%E5%9F%83%E5%B0%94%C2%B7%E5%8A%A0%E8%A5%BF%E4%BA%9A-%E9%B2%81%E4%BC%8A%E6%96%AF" title="胡安·曼努埃尔·加西亚-鲁伊斯">胡安·曼努埃尔·加西亚-鲁伊斯</a>和<a href="/wiki/%E9%A9%AC%E5%85%8B%C2%B7%E6%88%88%E7%89%B9%E6%96%BD%E6%9E%97" title="马克·戈特施林">马克·戈特施林</a>和两个研究所<a href="/wiki/%E5%8F%A4%E6%96%AF%E5%A1%94%E5%A4%AB%C2%B7%E9%B2%81%E8%A5%BF%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E6%89%80" title="古斯塔夫·鲁西研究所">古斯塔夫·鲁西研究所</a> <a href="/wiki/%E4%B9%94%E6%B2%BB%C2%B7%E8%89%BE%E8%8E%B1%E7%93%A6%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E6%89%80" title="乔治·艾莱瓦研究所">乔治·艾莱瓦研究所</a>。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T11:53:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月13日 (六) 11:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T11:53:00.000Z-新春快乐!!!"><span 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href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-14T03:02:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T11:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月14日 (日) 03:02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-14T03:02:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-13T11:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=12" title="编辑章节:再論鳥類冠狀病毒"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-15T06:58:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>這幾天又思考了一下棘手的鳥冠狀病毒,其實綜述條目<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E9%B3%A5%E9%A1%9E%E7%9A%84%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="鳥類的冠狀病毒(页面不存在)">鳥類的冠狀病毒</a>(Coronavirus in birds)是可以寫的,這個與鼠的不同,有許多文章以此為主題探討,介紹gamma與delta中的鳥病毒,我想這篇可大量介紹所有鳥病毒的研究歷史,有寫到優良條目的潛力。另外gamma的每個物種都獨立條目:Avian Coronavirus、<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E9%B3%A5%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%929203&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="鳥冠狀病毒9203(页面不存在)">鳥冠狀病毒9203</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E9%B4%A8%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%922714" title="鴨冠狀病毒2714">鴨冠狀病毒2714</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E9%B5%9D%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92CB17" class="mw-redirect" title="鵝冠狀病毒CB17">鵝冠狀病毒CB17</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E9%AF%A8%E8%B1%9A%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="鯨豚冠狀病毒">鯨豚冠狀病毒</a>,IBV的病毒學內容在Avian Coronavirus條目中介紹,重定向到Avian Coronavirus;火雞病毒在鳥冠狀病毒9203中介紹,重定向到鳥冠狀病毒9203。不過Avian Coronavirus的中文名不知要取什麼好,<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E9%B3%A5%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="鳥冠狀病毒(页面不存在)">鳥冠狀病毒</a>?感覺很容易跟綜述條目「鳥類的冠狀病毒」混淆。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-15T06:58:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月15日 (一) 06:58 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-15T06:58:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-15T06:58:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-15T06:58:00.000Z-\u518d\u8ad6\u9ce5\u985e\u51a0\u72c0\u75c5\u6bd2","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-15T06:58:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-15T09:08:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"></span>在下赞成<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%BD%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="禽冠狀病毒">禽冠状病毒</a>,见上表,另有<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://max.book118.com/html/2019/0206/7150140064002005.shtm">[32]</a>这样的文献将ICTV的Avian Coronavirus译为“禽冠状病毒”<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">当然,把“禽冠状病毒”当作丙丁中可感染鸟的笼统介绍的文章也有</mark>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-15T09:08:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月15日 (一) 09:08 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-15T09:08:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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href="/w/index.php?title=%E9%B3%A5%E9%A1%9E%E7%9A%84%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="鳥類的冠狀病毒(页面不存在)">鳥類的冠狀病毒</a>(綜述文章)應該比較不會混淆,也可在條目第一行另用模板註明。英文文章中也有一堆Avian Coronavirus拿來當丙丁鳥病毒籠統介紹的。<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf"><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">冠狀病毒</a>這主條目寫到快吐了....</mark>--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-15T11:26:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-15T09:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月15日 (一) 11:26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-15T11:26:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-15T09:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-15T11:26:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-15T11:26:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-15T09:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-15T11:26:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-15T09:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-17T22:25:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>先寫了沒有爭議的<a href="/wiki/%E9%9B%81%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92CB17" title="雁冠狀病毒CB17">雁冠狀病毒CB17</a>。剩下的有兩個問題 </p> <dl><dd><ol><li>可能要麻煩閣下幫我看看ICTV 2019 release中把gamma分為三個亞屬五個種,報告中有沒有介紹這樣區分的依據,還有每個種分別包含哪些病毒株,還是這些資訊皆沒有提供?</li> <li>Avian 9203跟Duck2714都是ICTV在整支中有點隨意地選了一個病毒株作為物種名(而且ICTV本身沒有給出演化樹,使用這套新分類系統的文章我只找到兩篇<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://academic.oup.com/femsre/article/44/5/631/5872484">[33]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://content.sciendo.com/configurable/contentpage/journals$002fjvetres$002fahead-of-print$002farticle-10.2478-jvetres-2020-0050$002farticle-10.2478-jvetres-2020-0050.xml">[34]</a>,主要資訊都是依賴第一篇,第二篇介紹gamma的文段非常詭異,把火雞、<a href="/wiki/%E7%8F%A0%E9%9B%9E" class="mw-redirect" title="珠雞">珠雞</a>的病毒都給當物種了,9203變成只包含野鳥病毒,這應該不符合ICTV的分類)。這樣Avian 9203跟Duck2714的條目中,是否應該介紹這些在其他水鳥中發現,過去地位未定,現在被歸入這兩種的病毒?(ex,某年中國發現哪些鴨鵝的病毒,歐洲發現哪些燕雀的病毒,美國發現哪些巨嘴鳥的病毒.......2020通通給歸入Duck2714),這樣的處理有沒有原創研究疑慮?</li> <li>火雞冠狀病毒本身可能就不是單系群(<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/docserver/fulltext/jgv/97/1/110_jgv000338.pdf?expires=1613591406&amp;id=id&amp;accname=guest&amp;checksum=F98A5BB8BA3F6E57DA82FC7EA7038E01">[35]</a>至少歐洲跟北美的有異,再考慮其他地區,可能差別更大,跟IBV根本是沒有明確分別的),但FEMS Microbiology的綜述文章只有分析火雞的一個病毒株NC010800,就把火雞冠狀病毒都歸入9203這個物種裡(<code class="mw-highlight mw-highlight-lang-text mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr">(i) AvCoV that comprises some genotypes of IBV, (ii) AvCoV 9203 that similarly comprises some genotypes of IBV and turkey coronavirus</code>;Fig.2右上也只在9203那畫了火雞,比其他種鳥胖了一倍),真實情況應該是有些病毒株屬於Avian,有些病毒株屬於9203,但因為沒有研究去交叉分析所有火雞病毒株和IBV的關係,我如果這樣寫又成原創研究了....<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">好像我自己寫一篇review投稿到期刊被刊出後,再來維基百科寫,才能避開這種問題</mark></li> <li>順便吐槽個,查goose coronavirus,出來都是<a href="/wiki/%E5%8A%A0%E6%8B%BF%E5%A4%A7%E9%B5%9D" title="加拿大鵝">加拿大鵝</a>這家服飾品牌因為疫情營收下降的新聞;查turkey coronavirus,出來都是土耳其的新冠疫情。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-17T22:25:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月17日 (三) 22:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-17T22:25:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-17T22:25:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-17T22:25:00.000Z-\u518d\u8ad6\u9ce5\u985e\u51a0\u72c0\u75c5\u6bd2","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-17T22:25:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"></span></li></ol></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-18T02:54:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"></span>在ICTV里暂时没找到分类命名的说明。毕竟2019 release中给出太晚了,参考这里的gamma三亞屬五種的只有FEMS Microbiology和JVR的两篇文章也很正常,就以FEMS Microbiology里给出的树为准好了。turkey coronavirus估计和IBV一样都不是单系群,个人感觉如果要写条目,就介绍最早发现的那一株/或者是研究最全的那一株。 </p><p>順便吐槽個,六种完全没有亲缘关系的猪冠状病毒,这篇文章也能写这么一大段,占了全文三分之一,可能原因是投的是兽医学杂志Journal of Veterinary Research吧,人家可能更关心畜产的病害情况。在维基里,估计建立一个<a href="/wiki/%E7%8C%AA%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-disambig" title="猪冠状病毒">猪冠状病毒</a>的消歧义页就够了--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-18T02:54:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月18日 (四) 02:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-18T02:54:00.000Z-再論鳥類冠狀病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-21T01:26:00.000Z-序列分析"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>去年便在Nature的評論文章上看到柬埔寨有未發表的SARS-CoV-2相關蝙蝠病毒,現在已經出現在biorxiv了<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.26.428212v1">[36]</a>,這個大概93%。目前比較近的幾支病毒發現處:雲南、泰國、柬埔寨,感覺武漢很可能不是第一現場。</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/%E7%8C%AA%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-disambig" title="猪冠状病毒">猪冠状病毒</a>我給做了個表格,您看看如何。另外昨天寫229E的受體<a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%99%E6%B0%A8%E9%85%B8%E6%B0%A8%E8%82%BD%E9%85%B6" title="丙氨酸氨肽酶">丙氨酸氨肽酶</a>,發現infobox好幾個欄位顯示錯誤,剛剛上客棧技術版提問了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-21T01:26:00.000Z-序列分析" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月21日 (日) 01:26 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-21T01:26:00.000Z-序列分析"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-21T01:26:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-21T01:26:00.000Z-\u5e8f\u5217\u5206\u6790","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-02-21T01:26:00.000Z-序列分析"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T03:37:00.000Z-序列分析"></span>那个表格挺好的,一目了然。在下不才,这几天才刚学会了用<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%86%E5%AD%90%E8%BF%9B%E5%8C%96%E9%81%97%E4%BC%A0%E5%AD%A6%E5%88%86%E6%9E%90" title="分子进化遗传学分析">MEGA</a>画系统发育树。不知道RshSTT200和RacCS203都放进进化树会怎么样。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T03:37:00.000Z-序列分析" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月21日 (日) 03:37 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T03:37:00.000Z-序列分析"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-21T08:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T03:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月21日 (日) 08:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-21T08:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T03:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月21日 (日) 09:10 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T09:10:00.000Z-序列分析"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-21T09:10:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T09:10:00.000Z-\u5e8f\u5217\u5206\u6790","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-02-21T11:55:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T09:10:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T09:10:00.000Z-序列分析"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-02-21T11:55:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T09:10:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>上個月弄了個abstract就給忘了....這兩天我趕緊來搞。剛順手把"SARS-CoV-3"的兩株寫了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-21T11:55:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T09:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月21日 (日) 11:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-21T11:55:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-21T09:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span></dd></dl> <ol><li>可以,研究了一下發現這個序列應該是作者怕人搶了credit,沒放上NCBI,只發表在GISAID(個人實在不認同GISAID這種太過保護作者權利,阻止public access的系統),我上去註冊了,等核准後我應該能找到這個完整序列。另外發表在biorxiv上的柬埔寨蝙蝠病毒RshSTT182, RshSTT200應該也能在GISAID上找到。</li> <li>閣下能收到我的回信嗎?前幾天您的email不知為何給系統分到了spam folder,不知是不是網易郵件跟gmail的問題。</li> <li>發現這篇<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://mbio.asm.org/content/1/4/e00208-10">[37]</a>,這個Zaria CoV是SARSr-CoV的外群,已經跟浙江2013一起被歸入Hibecovirus了<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/289148097.pdf">[38]</a>,另外還有一些去年在<a href="/wiki/%E5%8A%A0%E5%BD%AD" class="mw-redirect" title="加彭">加彭</a>發現的蝙蝠病毒<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-64159-1">[39]</a>,還有Ghana343那一堆病毒,都是感染<a href="/wiki/%E8%B9%84%E8%9D%A0%E5%B1%AC" title="蹄蝠屬">蹄蝠屬</a>蝙蝠,這一塊(SARSr-CoV的相似病毒與基群)感覺是文獻中特別缺乏的部分,資料零散,閣下如寫這個主題的topic article,這部分應該可寫成相當精彩的內容。</li> <li>一個與生物無關的,感謝閣下創了<a href="/wiki/%E5%BD%BC%E5%BE%97%C2%B7R%C2%B7L%C2%B7%E5%B8%83%E6%9C%97" class="mw-redirect" title="彼得·R·L·布朗">彼得·R·L·布朗</a>,大學時我讀過他的The World of Late Antiquity,受限於背景知識而不太好讀,但挺有收穫。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-02-24T21:36:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-24T06:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年2月24日 (三) 21:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-02-24T21:36:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-02-24T06:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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data-mw-thread-id="h-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z"><span id=".E8.83.BD.E5.90.A6.E5.B9.AB.E5.8A.A9.E6.94.B9.E5.96.84.E7.B4.AB.E7.B5.A8.E7.B5.B2.E8.86.9C.E8.8F.8C"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z"></span>能否幫助改善<a href="/wiki/%E7%B4%AB%E7%BB%92%E4%B8%9D%E8%86%9C%E8%8F%8C" title="紫绒丝膜菌">紫絨絲膜菌</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=15" title="编辑章节:能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌"><span>编辑</span></a><span 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id="c-Kuon.Haku-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌"></span>在巡查時看到了這篇條目,感覺問題很多,但因為我對真菌不是很精通,只能做一些格式上的修正,能否請您花些時間再做一些校正,謝謝。--<a href="/wiki/User:Kuon.Haku" title="User:Kuon.Haku"><span style="color:#003155"><b>クオン</b></span></a>·<a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Kuon.Haku" title="Special:用户贡献/Kuon.Haku">千の海を越えて</a>·<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kuon.Haku" title="User talk:Kuon.Haku"><span style="color:green">夢か……現なのか?</span></a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Kuon.Haku-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月11日 (一) 10:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kuon.Haku-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-12T21:07:00.000Z-Kuon.Haku-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月12日 (二) 21:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-12T21:07:00.000Z-Kuon.Haku-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月15日 (五) 11:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-15T11:27:00.000Z-Kuon.Haku-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-15T11:27:00.000Z","author":"TheWindGrahame","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-15T11:27:00.000Z-Kuon.Haku-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-01-15T21:07:00.000Z-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-15T11:27:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-15T11:27:00.000Z-Kuon.Haku-2021-01-11T10:06:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-01-15T21:07:00.000Z-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-15T11:27:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:TheWindGrahame" title="User:TheWindGrahame">TheWindGrahame</a>:</span>很高興閣下願意嘗試!加油,如翻譯上遇到困難可在此留言,另外可能的話盡量直接翻譯,而不要使用內建的翻譯編輯器(錯誤比較多)。<span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Kuon.Haku" title="User:Kuon.Haku">Kuon.Haku</a>:</span>創建紫絨絲膜菌的用戶後來又創了「<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E7%B4%AB%E4%B8%9D%E7%BB%92%E8%86%9C%E8%8F%87&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="紫丝绒膜菇(页面不存在)">紫丝绒膜菇</a>」,內容與紫絨絲膜菌是一模一樣的(機器翻譯英文版<i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortinarius_violaceus" class="extiw" title="en:Cortinarius violaceus">en:Cortinarius violaceus</a></i>內容)而且Wikidata的連結連到紫丝绒膜菇去了,能不能將兩個條目以G13刪除,讓TheWindGrahame君重寫,標題建議使用「紫絨絲膜菌」,「紫丝绒膜菇」或可作為重定向。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-15T21:07:00.000Z-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-15T11:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月15日 (五) 21:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-15T21:07:00.000Z-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-15T11:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-16T07:11:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-15T21:07:00.000Z"></span>两个都删掉好了,我重写条目。<a href="/wiki/User:TheWindGrahame" title="User:TheWindGrahame">TheWindGrahame</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWindGrahame" title="User talk:TheWindGrahame">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-16T07:11:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-15T21:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月16日 (六) 07:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-16T07:11:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-15T21:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>這您都能找到....佩服佩服,沒想到現在維基作業都能跨語言了,我原以為作者應該不懂中文,但看頁面中的名字似乎是華人(不知為何修課學生幾乎全是華人,可能這個翻譯學程是專門從事中英文間的翻譯?)不過他們的課程已於1/15結束,編者應該也不會再管這些條目了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-16T07:45:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T02:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月16日 (六) 07:45 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-16T07:45:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T02:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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看了幾篇其他學生的作品,全部都是用內容翻譯工具創建的(畢竟他們課程網站就這麼建議,作為翻譯學程不應該啊),有數篇被掛上翻譯拙劣模板,其他也都掛有格式問題模板,而且幾乎所有人用翻譯軟件後都未再做大規模調整,因此即使不到翻譯拙劣程度,行文也充滿翻譯腔,不像正常中文。我有點懷疑這些人是不是以中文為母語,還是取了中文名字、正在學習中文的外國人,如果是後者或許應該給他們一點幫助。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Wikimycota</a>~<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🍄</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-01-16T08:12:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T07:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月16日 (六) 08:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-01-16T08:12:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T07:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T08:20:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T07:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月16日 (六) 08:20 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T08:20:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T07:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-16T08:33:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-01-16T07:59:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li></ul></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-18T13:40:00.000Z-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌"></span>请问阁下“Cystidium”一词如何翻译为好?(“间胞”如何?)以及,在下是一名喜爱真菌的编辑新手,所写内容想必错误不少,还请阁下及时指正--<a href="/wiki/User:TheWindGrahame" title="User:TheWindGrahame">TheWindGrahame</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWindGrahame" title="User talk:TheWindGrahame">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-18T13:40:00.000Z-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月18日 (一) 13:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-18T13:40:00.000Z-能否幫助改善紫絨絲膜菌"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:02:00.000Z-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-18T13:40:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-19T00:36:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:02:00.000Z"></span>大体写了一下,现在这个链接链到的是我写的条目。--<a href="/wiki/User:TheWindGrahame" title="User:TheWindGrahame">TheWindGrahame</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWindGrahame" title="User talk:TheWindGrahame">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-19T00:36:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月19日 (二) 00:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-01-19T00:36:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-01-18T17:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:%E8%B5%A4%E7%BE%BD%E8%92%BC%E7%8E%84" title="User:赤羽蒼玄">赤羽蒼玄</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E8%B5%A4%E7%BE%BD%E8%92%BC%E7%8E%84" title="User talk:赤羽蒼玄">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-赤羽蒼玄-2021-01-27T07:35:00.000Z-果仁蜜餅送給您!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年1月27日 (三) 07:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-赤羽蒼玄-2021-01-27T07:35:00.000Z-果仁蜜餅送給您!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg/120px-Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg.png" decoding="async" width="120" height="99" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg/180px-Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg/240px-Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="197"/></a></span> </td> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">謝謝閣下的祝賀,您也是多年來筆耕不輟、在生物學領域貢獻甚大,對我而言這也是專業度更高的學問,我也自認是比不上閣下對維基編寫的嚴肅態度<s>近期還因黑歷史的碩論來源問題被抽掉一個GA</s>。 <p>麥克阿瑟是卡了很久的條目,在我深入去了解後才發現其西南太平洋戰略複雜的難以描述,也希望盡早將它完成。現在的用戶名稱則是因為有人向我表示太長才改掉的<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" 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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-01T09:19:00.000Z-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息"></span>见<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.25.432824v1">[41]</a>,英文维基里有人更新了。 </p><p>另外,在下邮件里又发了新的subgroupA系统树和fasta文件,这次把那个鼠类大规模调查的也放进去了。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-01T09:19:00.000Z-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月1日 (一) 09:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-01T09:19:00.000Z-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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autonumber" href="https://academic.oup.com/ve/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ve/veab007/6129116">[42]</a>,這篇的結論非常有意思(ACE2為受體的性狀在Sarbevirus為多次起源)。最重要的是他們發表了三個新的非洲蝙蝠序列,屬於"SARS-CoV-3"這支,過去這支是只有<a href="/wiki/BtKY72" class="mw-redirect" title="BtKY72">BtKY72</a>跟<a href="/wiki/BM48-31" class="mw-redirect" title="BM48-31">BM48-31</a>的,加上了這三個後畫出來的結果,這一支居然不再是基群,反倒是SARS-CoV-2成了基群,不知閣下怎麼看這個結果。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-03T01:02:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-01T09:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月3日 (三) 01:02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-03T01:02:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-01T09:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-03T01:02:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-03T01:02:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-01T09:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-03-03T01:02:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-01T09:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ol><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息"></span>记得之前就有一个文章推测过冠状病毒利用ACE2可能是多次起源,属于趋同演化。从各个Simplot-Query图看,S基因也是突变最快的,有选择压力在。</li> <li>在画鼠類的Embecovirus冠状病毒演化树过程中,感觉还是用ORF1ab的全序列最牢靠,仅仅用其中的RdRp会导致许多置信度很小的分支出现。</li> <li>这篇文章中,"SARS-CoV-3"這支是虚线,估计作者也认为此条分支排序于此置信度不高吧。想来SARS-CoV 1、2、3这三支应该在很短的时间内就逐个分离出来了。</li></ol> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月3日 (三) 08:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="東洋區">東洋區</a>的地域分布與ORF8的起源都變成多次了。我個人對於為何要以ACE2為受體,而非其他千萬種膜蛋白也相當有興趣。</li></ul> <dl><dd>PloS topic投稿指示提供的email是整個PloS Genetics期刊編者的email,不是專門負責topic article的,等一兩週如果還沒有回應,感覺可以直接到英文維基聯絡那位負責topic article的用戶。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-03T21:18:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月3日 (三) 21:18 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-03T21:18:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-03T21:18:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-03T21:18:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-03-03T21:18:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-03-04T05:39:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span><a href="/wiki/ACE2" class="mw-redirect" title="ACE2">ACE2</a>終於寫完了,英文版太鳥我就全部原創了,真是個難寫的條目.....閣下有空時可以看看有沒有什麼筆誤、不通順之處(甚至根本寫錯的地方)。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-04T05:39:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月4日 (四) 05:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-04T05:39:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-03T08:18:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="h-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-03-05T20:03:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=24" title="编辑章节:在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-03-05T20:03:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"></span>Are you really sure that this zhwiki article describes the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Q24808940&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Q24808940(页面不存在)"><i>Hedgehog coronavirus 1</i></a>, instead of the <a href="/w/index.php?title=Q91513573&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Q91513573(页面不存在)"><i>Erinaceus coronavirus</i></a>? Both English and Persian Wikipedias are describing the first, not the second. --<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226"><span class="signature-talk">留言</span></a>) 01:06, 5 March 2021 (UTC) </p><p><br/> 在下是这样认为的,阁下当前的条目应该移动到<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E5%88%BA%E7%8C%AC%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%921&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="刺猬冠状病毒1(页面不存在)">刺猬冠状病毒1</a>,目前发现的<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%BA%E8%9D%9F%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="刺蝟冠狀病毒">刺猬冠状病毒</a>还只有1和HKU31两种,接下来有可能发现更多,估计可以改成<a href="/wiki/%E7%A9%BF%E5%B1%B1%E7%94%B2%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="穿山甲冠狀病毒">穿山甲冠状病毒</a>一类的条目。 </p> <ul><li><span style="display:none">@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>確實這裡也可以分成具體病毒株的條目,以及關於刺蝟病毒的綜述條目,研究了一下發現刺蝟冠狀病毒的多樣性很低,只有歐洲一個種,東亞一個種(這兩個發表後也只有幾個新序列陸續再發出,應該也都不是新種),都屬於<i>Marbecovirus</i>,倒是發現個有意思的:EriCoV從宿主那偷了一個基因過去<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33419245/">[43]</a>。關於條目命名,不知道Hedgehog coronavirus 1這個名字是怎麼來的(好像又是ICTV自己取的)?原始論文是叫EriCoV,HKU31的文章以全名(BetaCoV Erinaceus/VMC/DEU/2012)稱之,上面這篇剛發表的文章也是稱其為ErCoV。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-05T20:03:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月5日 (五) 20:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-05T20:03:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-05T20:03:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-05T20:03:00.000Z-\u5728\u4e0b\u7684wikidata\u8ba8\u8bba\u91cc\uff0c\u6709\u4eba\u8fd9\u6837\u63d0\u95ee","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-03-05T20:03:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-07T15:57:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"></span>原来是ICTV起的名字啊,就好像上次的2JL14一样,那要看接下来别人的论文引用是用EriCoV还是Hedgehog coronavirus 1了,之后再决定中文条目名要不要移动。顺便<span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a>:</span> --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-07T15:57:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月7日 (日) 15:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-07T15:57:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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Life/Newsletter</a>,介紹通過DYK、GA與FA的生物條目,並不定期有生物相關的文章或編者專訪,我感覺挺有意義的,閣下有沒有興趣一起在中文版搞這個。英文版每個月發一期,中文版生物條目少,大概三個月甚至半年一期就夠了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-07T22:57:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-07T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月7日 (日) 22:57 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-07T22:57:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-07T15:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月8日 (一) 00:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z-\u5728\u4e0b\u7684wikidata\u8ba8\u8bba\u91cc\uff0c\u6709\u4eba\u8fd9\u6837\u63d0\u95ee","replies":["c-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z"></span>我没什么说的,维基数据那边暂时先别动,因为学名不一样,维基数据的<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Taxonomy" class="extiw" title="d:Wikidata:WikiProject Taxonomy">物种专题</a>禁止合并学名不一样的两个项(哪怕<a href="/wiki/%E7%95%B0%E5%90%8D" title="異名">异名</a><a href="/w/index.php?title=%E6%97%A7%E5%90%8D&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="旧名(页面不存在)">旧名</a>啥的也不行),因为ta们成员另有属性描述关系,比如就我所知维基数据有个“<a href="https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1420" class="extiw" title="d:Property:P1420">同物异名</a>”属性用于生物异名。建议本站这个条目重写(如果还想合规移动的话)。--<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Liuxinyu970226" title="User talk:Liuxinyu970226">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月8日 (一) 01:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z","author":"Liuxinyu970226","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-08T00:35:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Liuxinyu970226" title="User:Liuxinyu970226">Liuxinyu970226</a>、<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>(補ping了H兄,我一直不懂維基數據那邊是怎麼處理的,也沒有意見)。閣下說的重寫是指移動標題嗎(目前條目內容跟英文版的Hedgehog coronavirus 1是一樣的,只是使用名稱不同)?中文版這個條目可以維持原名,也可以移到<a href="/w/index.php?title=%E5%88%BA%E7%8C%AC%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%921&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="刺猬冠状病毒1(页面不存在)">刺猬冠状病毒1</a>,將<a href="/wiki/%E5%88%BA%E8%9D%9F%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="刺蝟冠狀病毒">刺猬冠状病毒</a>作為重定向,這我也沒有意見。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月8日 (一) 01:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z-Liuxinyu970226-2021-03-08T01:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月8日 (一) 01:55 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z-在下的wikidata讨论里,有人这样提问"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-16T16:27:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月16日 (二) 16:27 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-16T16:27:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-16T16:27:00.000Z","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-16T16:27:00.000Z-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-16T16:27:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-03-08T01:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞" data-mw-thread-id="h-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z"><span id=".E9.80.A3Avian_Coronavirus_9203.E9.83.BD.E9.AC.A7.E9.9B.99.E8.83.9E"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z"></span>連Avian Coronavirus 9203都鬧雙胞<span data-mw-comment-end="h-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=25" title="编辑章节:連Avian Coronavirus 9203都鬧雙胞"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>取<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%BD%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%929203" title="禽冠狀病毒9203">禽冠狀病毒9203</a>這麼難聽的名字竟然還能有歧異....<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://academic.oup.com/femsre/article/44/5/631/5872484">[44]</a>註明了NCBI編號是NC_048213,也就是去年5月印度雞隻身上的病毒株「Ind-TN92-03」<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/NC_048213">[45]</a>,上次那篇大書特書豬病毒的文章<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/jvetres-2020-0050">[46]</a>則寫是2010年在芬蘭鴨身上發現的AvCoV/Anas crecca/Finland/9203/2010,好死不死這個名字也有9203......應該前者才是對的,後面這篇論文搞錯了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月18日 (四) 10:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z-\u9023Avian_Coronavirus_9203\u90fd\u9b27\u96d9\u80de","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-03-18T10:33:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"></span></li></ul> <p><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-03-19T07:39:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>雲南再+1<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.08.434390v1.full.pdf">[47]</a>,此外發現了跟廣西穿山甲病毒接近的蝙蝠病毒。Fig.3A的演化樹應包含目前所有已知病毒株了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-19T07:39:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月19日 (五) 07:39 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-19T07:39:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-19T07:39:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-19T07:39:00.000Z-\u9023Avian_Coronavirus_9203\u90fd\u9b27\u96d9\u80de","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-03-19T07:39:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-19T16:23:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"></span>谢谢,不知道在下从<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaTG13" class="extiw" title="en:RaTG13">en:RaTG13</a>的系统树一节整理出来的<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SARS-CoV-2_related_coronavirus" class="extiw" title="en:Template:SARS-CoV-2 related coronavirus">en:Template:SARS-CoV-2 related coronavirus</a>接下来该整改成什么样的格式。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-19T16:23:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月19日 (五) 16:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-19T16:23:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="Portal:病毒">Portal:病毒</a>,不知道閣下有沒有興趣參與製作。現在英文版用的系統很方便,各欄位隨機輪播,基本上把各欄位的列表項目(比如數篇精選病毒、數篇疫情、數篇傳記、數篇療法)建好後,除新聞外不用太多後續維護,不像之前<a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%9C%9F%E8%8F%8C" title="Portal:真菌">Portal:真菌</a>那些欄位一掛就掛了快十年...--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-22T00:53:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-19T16:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月22日 (一) 00:53 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-22T00:53:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-19T16:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-22T00:53:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-22T00:53:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-19T16:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-03-22T00:53:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-19T16:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-24T06:54:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"></span>之前几天生活琐事太忙了,个人电脑又送修多次,没有及时在wiki和邮件上回复阁下。看到了阁下似乎有点灰心,不过阁下已经“尽人事”了,<a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="冠状病毒">冠状病毒</a>也成为,这在各语言wiki都缺少生物学贡献者的情况下已经非常难得。Coronavirus in rodents阁下打算先再投PloS One试试?Wikijournal of Science又是怎么一个模式?在下不熟悉 </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-24T06:54:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月24日 (三) 06:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-24T06:54:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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factor的,當然影響力不能跟PloS等相比),也是同行評審後發布成英文維基的條目。</li></ul> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Portal:病毒">Portal:病毒</a>已經建立完成,各欄位都有10-25個不同條目可輪播展示,每幾個小時(或點擊頁面中的清除快取)便會更換。建立各欄位的過程中看了中文維基病毒條目的概況,實在是慘不忍睹,除了一些疾病條目的導言因為過去有台灣醫學計畫的人在寫,其他條目不是小作品,就是掛滿維護模板的問題條目。其實2005年左右便有一位知名維基人專司病毒條目,當年甚至連生物分類的infobox都不存在,他得自己用html畫出表格,寫作了大量病毒的條目,如今超過15年大部分條目都沒有任何改善,大都只列出過時屬名、種名就完事了;content bias也相當嚴重,人類以外的動物病毒極少,植物病毒、噬菌體跟感染其他生物的病毒基本上完全不存在(<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf"><a href="/wiki/%E7%9C%9F%E8%8F%8C%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="真菌病毒">真菌病毒</a>除外</mark>),連<a href="/wiki/%E6%A4%8D%E7%89%A9%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="植物病毒">植物病毒</a>都是紅連。<a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92/Recommended" title="Portal:病毒/Recommended">這裡列出優特條目</a>幾乎都是幾位維基人孤狼硬戰的成果,相關條目的質量完全不成比例。比對英文版跟德文版,真不知中文何時才能至少把基礎的條目大致都寫到丙級。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Portal:病毒">A virus is a piece of bad news wrapped in protein</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-24T18:17:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-24T06:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月24日 (三) 18:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-24T18:17:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-24T06:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/%E9%A9%AC%E5%85%8B%E6%96%AF%C2%B7%E6%99%AE%E6%9C%97%E5%85%8B%E6%A4%8D%E7%89%A9%E8%82%B2%E7%A7%8D%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E6%89%80" title="马克斯·普朗克植物育种研究所">马普植物育种所</a>的首任所长<span class="ilh-all" data-orig-title="Erwin Baur" data-lang-code="de" data-lang-name="德语" data-foreign-title="Erwin Baur"><span class="ilh-page"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Erwin_Baur&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Erwin Baur(页面不存在)">Erwin Baur</a></span><span class="noprint ilh-comment">(<span class="ilh-lang">德语</span><span class="ilh-colon">:</span><span class="ilh-link"><a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Baur" class="extiw" title="de:Erwin Baur"><span lang="de" dir="auto">Erwin Baur</span></a></span>)</span></span>连中文译名都找不到。 </p><p>PS: <a href="/wiki/%E6%95%B4%E5%90%88%E8%9B%8B%E7%99%BD" class="mw-redirect" title="整合蛋白">整合蛋白</a>重定向到<a href="/wiki/%E6%95%B4%E5%90%88%E7%B4%A0" title="整合素">整合素</a>的这个黑锅应该在下来背才是<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>,在下13年创建<a href="/wiki/%E6%95%B4%E5%90%88%E7%B4%A0" title="整合素">整合素</a>这个条目时,只看到有<a href="/wiki/%E6%95%B4%E8%81%94%E8%9B%8B%E7%99%BD" class="mw-redirect" title="整联蛋白">整联蛋白</a>这个另一译名,<a href="/wiki/%E6%95%B4%E5%90%88%E8%9B%8B%E7%99%BD" class="mw-redirect" title="整合蛋白">整合蛋白</a>通常都是指<a href="/wiki/%E6%95%B4%E5%90%88%E8%86%9C%E8%9B%8B%E7%99%BD" title="整合膜蛋白">整合膜蛋白</a>,不过不知道什么缘由,在下15年又建立了重定向到整合素的整合蛋白,在2020年整合膜蛋白建立后没有及时修正重定向。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-25T01:23:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月25日 (四) 01:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-03-25T01:23:00.000Z-連Avian_Coronavirus_9203都鬧雙胞"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="安尼魯·康特">安尼魯·康特</a>,病毒本身或是疾病的條目若沒有生物、醫學背景應該真的難以編寫,我認為這真的得去大學、研究機構招募更多人進來才能改善,但此類相關人物、書籍、大眾文化條目(也包括<a href="/wiki/%E9%A9%AC%E5%85%8B%C2%B7%E8%8E%B1%E7%BA%B3%E6%96%AF" title="马克·莱纳斯">马克·莱纳斯</a>等)應該是比較好寫的。Erwin Baur這種找不到的話可以名跟姓分開查(歐文·鮑爾),再沒有就得找<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%A4%96%E8%AA%9E%E8%AD%AF%E9%9F%B3%E8%A1%A8" title="Wikipedia:外語譯音表">外語譯音表</a>了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Portal:病毒">A virus is a piece of bad news wrapped in protein</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-26T01:06:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-03-25T01:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月26日 (五) 01:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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id=".E4.B8.8E.E7.BB.B4.E5.9F.BA.E7.9B.B8.E5.85.B3.E7.9A.84.E8.AE.A8.E8.AE.BA.EF.BC.8C.E5.BA.94.E8.AF.A5.E9.80.9A.E9.80.9A.E5.9C.A8.E7.AB.99.E5.86.85.E5.85.AC.E5.BC.80"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-04-06T08:43:00.000Z"></span>与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开<span data-mw-comment-end="h-与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-04-06T08:43:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=26" title="编辑章节:与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-06T08:43:00.000Z-与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开"></span>认同阁下的想法,在这里“从我做起”,把邮件内容复制上来,总不能“作法不自毙”吗?<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">隐去邮箱</mark>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-06T08:43:00.000Z-与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月6日 (二) 08:43 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-06T08:43:00.000Z-与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-06T08:43:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-06T08:43:00.000Z-\u4e0e\u7ef4\u57fa\u76f8\u5173\u7684\u8ba8\u8bba\uff0c\u5e94\u8be5\u901a\u901a\u5728\u7ad9\u5185\u516c\u5f00","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-06T08:43:00.000Z-与维基相关的讨论,应该通通在站内公开"></span> </p> <blockquote> <p><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">靖天子</mark>:冠狀病毒我先提到DYK與GA了,不過尚未寫到自己心中完全滿意的程度,屆時再提至FA。最近在維基與現實上還是比較挫折的,PloS Genetics給拒了,ACE2直接提到FA評選又乏人關注,比較灰心。 时 间: 2021年03月17日 04:10 (星期三) </p><p>On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 10:49 PM <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">靖天子</mark> wrote: </p><p>上週末我私信了Thomas Shafee,剛剛得到回覆,他說正在與其他editors商議,其他editor對主題的審核比較嚴格,必須非常切合PloS Genetics期刊收錄的範圍,讓我再等等。 期望新冠的熱點能增進他們收錄的意願,如果最後他們決定不收,Dr. Shafee建議改寫到Wikijournal of Science(他是主編),不過我計畫還是先問PloS One(這個沒有明確範圍總該收了吧) </p><p>On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 3:59 AM <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">靖天子</mark> wrote: 感謝,這個成果跟新的Letovirus都太有意思了,於是我一不做二不休,熬夜將abstract寫完寄出(已cc閣下) </p><p>On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 1:16 AM <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">htmlzycq</mark> wrote: 这次加入了Comparative analysis of rodent and small mammal viromes to better understand the wildlife origin of emerging infectious diseases那篇文章里有全基因组的 </p><p><br/> </p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">htmlzycq</mark>:感觉还是Coronavirus in Rodents要紧一些,SARSr-CoV (or SC2rCoV)感觉近一两年会有很大变化,估计现在有不知道多少个小组在华南以及东南亚寻找它们了。 </p><p>最近不知道是墙还是什么原因wiki老是断,特别是在点编辑的时候,普通的浏览到还行。 </p><p>彼得·R·L·布朗是在下最近在看本村陵二的《地中海世界与罗马帝国》(讲谈社世界史系列2),中译本的推荐序里将他和彼得·R·L·布朗以及玛丽·比尔德的作品《SPQR》比较,在下就看看中文维基上对这二位是否已有介绍 </p><p>发现自己之前看过的纪录片《<a href="/wiki/%E7%9B%B8%E7%BA%A6%E5%8F%A4%E7%BD%97%E9%A9%AC" title="相约古罗马">相约古罗马</a>》就是比尔德的编剧并主持,然后发现相约古罗马、《<a href="/wiki/SPQR_(%E4%B9%A6%E7%B1%8D)" title="SPQR (书籍)">SPQR</a>》、<a href="/wiki/%E7%8E%9B%E4%B8%BD%C2%B7%E6%AF%94%E5%B0%94%E5%BE%B7" title="玛丽·比尔德">玛丽·比尔德</a>三个条目是16、18、20年由在下在内的不同维基人建立的,三者之间似没有内部链接,一笑 </p><p><a href="/wiki/%E5%BD%BC%E5%BE%97%C2%B7R%C2%B7L%C2%B7%E5%B8%83%E6%9C%97" class="mw-redirect" title="彼得·R·L·布朗">彼得·R·L·布朗</a>,这个名字某种程度上也算是“原创译名”了,那位维基人移动后就更加“原创译名”了。在下不喜欢用某某某 (历史学家)这样的消歧义方式,觉得这样把人“扁平化”了,而更喜欢用中间名来为英美同名同姓人物消歧义,比如<a href="/wiki/%E8%82%96%E6%81%A9%C2%B7M%C2%B7%E5%8D%A1%E7%BD%97%E5%B0%94" title="肖恩·M·卡罗尔">肖恩·M·卡罗尔</a> 和 <a href="/wiki/%E8%82%96%E6%81%A9%C2%B7B%C2%B7%E5%8D%A1%E7%BD%97%E5%B0%94" title="肖恩·B·卡罗尔">肖恩·B·卡罗尔</a>,直到连中间名也无法消歧义 </p><p>在 2021-02-25 16:45:38,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">靖天子</mark> 写道: </p><p><br/> 跟您確認一下,PloS Topic Article的主題,目前似乎有兩個可寫,一個是Coronavirus in Rodents, 另一個是evolution of SARSr-CoV (or SC2rCoV),目前先詢問一個? </p><p>On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 5:18 PM <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">htmlzycq</mark> wrote: 收到,谢谢,阁下辛苦了 </p><p>在 2021-02-24 15:05:44,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">靖天子</mark> 写道: </p><p>抱歉抱歉,我看到您剛才留言才知道您有來信(不知為何被系統分到spam folder了.....) 序列我這幾天有空時找找,找到的話發給您 </p><p>這幾天實驗不太順利一直耽擱.....這禮拜我便會發abstract給plot topic,屆時會cc您 </p><p>On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:35 AM <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">htmlzycq</mark> wrote: 靖天子,你好!我是HTMLZYCQ。 </p><p><br/> </p><p>这边qiang好像又高了一些,维基百科又上不去了,下午上的时候试了把刚学的用MEGA画的穿山甲冠状病毒ORF1ab的树传到了维基上,但放上去之后感觉太难看了,囧 </p><p><br/> </p><p>附上了mdsx文件以及做的两个图,阁下看看能不能改好看一点 </p><p><a href="/wiki/ZC45%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92%E8%88%87ZXC21%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="ZC45病毒與ZXC21病毒">zxc45那两个</a>的没找到,<a href="/wiki/RmYN02%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="RmYN02病毒">RmYN02</a>的ORF1ab在NCBI上只有片段? </p><p><br/> </p><p>最后,这是我投稿专用邮箱,给plos tropic 项目的编辑发邮件时能转我一份吗?我想看看具体的思路,找找自己能帮上忙的地方 </p> </blockquote> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="关于冷门国家的科学家" data-mw-thread-id="h-关于冷门国家的科学家-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z"><span id=".E5.85.B3.E4.BA.8E.E5.86.B7.E9.97.A8.E5.9B.BD.E5.AE.B6.E7.9A.84.E7.A7.91.E5.AD.A6.E5.AE.B6"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-关于冷门国家的科学家-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z"></span>关于冷门国家的科学家<span data-mw-comment-end="h-关于冷门国家的科学家-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=27" title="编辑章节:关于冷门国家的科学家"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z-关于冷门国家的科学家"></span>最近继续给《科学之种》里提到的科学家消红链,在非洲那一章碰到了坦桑尼亚植物病毒学家<a href="/wiki/%E7%BA%A6%E7%91%9F%E5%A4%AB%C2%B7%E9%A1%BF%E8%B0%B7%E9%B2%81" title="约瑟夫·顿谷鲁">约瑟夫·顿谷鲁</a>,Joseph Ndunguru,抱着试试看的心态在Wikidata搜一下有没有条目,居然英文的还真有。 </p><p>说实话Ndunguru这样的词,真不知道怎么发音,根据类似《病毒星球》这样的科普书写科学家小条目,一个好处是译名有来源,书中至少给出了姓氏的译名。 </p><p>不用像在下当年给 John canton 编了一个“<a href="/wiki/%E7%BA%A6%E7%BF%B0%C2%B7%E5%9D%8E%E9%80%9A" title="约翰·坎通">约翰·坎通</a>”的译名,主要是各种外語譯音表中都找不到,只好自己根据发音编一个“雅”一点的了 </p><p>同时在线也发现其实英文维基里 Kinvidia 等用户创建了许多非洲的学者/科学家,限于译名,没办法跟进,可惜了--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User 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href="https://tw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krataa_Fuforo">[48]</a>,因為很多人以為是台灣版,還特地在首頁做了個橫幅請台灣用戶注意這裡不是「台灣的維基百科」,我猜這個版本的很多點閱可能都是來自台灣.....<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%A4%96%E8%AA%9E%E8%AD%AF%E9%9F%B3%E8%A1%A8" title="Wikipedia:外語譯音表">WP:外語譯音表</a>中沒有Twi,可能可以退而求其次用同語族(<a href="/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E8%A5%BF%E6%B4%8B-%E5%88%9A%E6%9E%9C%E8%AF%AD%E6%97%8F" title="大西洋-刚果语族">大西洋-刚果语族</a>)的<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%A4%96%E8%AA%9E%E8%AD%AF%E9%9F%B3%E8%A1%A8/%E6%96%AF%E7%93%A6%E5%B8%8C%E9%87%8C%E8%AA%9E" title="Wikipedia:外語譯音表/斯瓦希里語">Wikipedia:外語譯音表/斯瓦希里語</a>,Nd這樣的輔音可能是翻成「恩德」,作為語言愛好者我挺想以後學一門非洲語言。</li></ul> <dl><dd>看了下這位用戶創的條目,確實都是相當有價值的內容,非洲相關內容多不受英美等主流媒體關注,非洲當地的來源網站又不穩定,實在相當難寫。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Portal:病毒">A virus is a piece of bad news wrapped in protein</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-04-10T00:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月10日 (六) 00:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-04-10T00:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-10T00:40:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-10T00:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-04-10T00:40:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-04-13T22:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z"></span>(坦桑尼亞的語言是斯瓦希里語,可以直接用中文維基的外語譯音表,提到迦納是因為那位用戶是迦納人,寫的很多是迦納條目,如果能翻譯一些過來對中文維基有很大的幫助)</dd></dl> <ul><li><span style="display:none">@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">冠狀病毒</a>已基本寫完,閣下有空時可以看看有什麼建議,剩下唯一的工作是所有圖片的中文化(我會緩慢著手進行)。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Portal:病毒">A virus is a piece of bad news wrapped in protein</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-04-13T22:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月13日 (二) 22:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-04-13T22:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-13T22:28:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-13T22:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-04-13T22:28:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-09T04:31:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="冠状病毒"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-17T08:44:00.000Z-关于冷门国家的科学家"></span>冠状病毒</a>暂时没有什么建议,另外,类似于<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IL17A#Notes" class="extiw" title="en:IL17A">en:IL17A#Notes</a>这里的{{Academic-written review}}是什么样一种模式?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-17T08:44:00.000Z-关于冷门国家的科学家" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月17日 (六) 08:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-17T08:44:00.000Z-关于冷门国家的科学家"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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publication,需要寫兩個版本,一個發表於Gene期刊,另一個(較通俗的版本)發表於英文維基百科。雖然工作量很大,但產出的條目意外地很多,見<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_with_corresponding_articles_published_in_Gene" class="extiw" title="en:Category:Wikipedia articles with corresponding articles published in Gene">Category:Wikipedia_articles_with_corresponding_articles_published_in_Gene</a>--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Portal:病毒">A virus is a piece of bad news wrapped in protein</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-04-17T18:21:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-17T08:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月17日 (六) 18:21 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-04-17T18:21:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-17T08:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-17T18:21:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-17T18:21:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-17T08:44:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-04-17T18:21:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-17T08:44:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语" data-mw-thread-id="h-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z"><span id=".E6.97.A5.E8.AF.AD.E7.89.88.E6.9D.A1.E7.9B.AE.E6.95.B0.E9.87.8F.E5.B7.B2.E7.BB.8F.E8.B6.85.E8.B6.8A.E8.B6.8A.E5.8D.97.E8.AF.AD.E7.89.88.EF.BC.8C.E5.8D.B3.E5.B0.86.E8.B6.85.E8.B6.8A.E7.93.A6.E7.91.9E.E7.93.A6.E7.91.9E.E8.AF.AD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z"></span>日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语<span data-mw-comment-end="h-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=28" title="编辑章节:日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"></span>算不算是人类维基人同机器人维基搏斗的一场胜利?开玩笑的<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月23日 (五) 02:07 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z-\u65e5\u8bed\u7248\u6761\u76ee\u6570\u91cf\u5df2\u7ecf\u8d85\u8d8a\u8d8a\u5357\u8bed\u7248\uff0c\u5373\u5c06\u8d85\u8d8a\u74e6\u745e\u74e6\u745e\u8bed","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"></span> </p> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>好事,但日文版的質量實在有點.....中文是不是又快被阿拉伯文超了啊,而且後面幾種語言似乎都開過機器人,會不會突然就跌出20名外了。</li></ul> <dl><dd>我打算從現在開始,將所有缺乏或仍為小作品的分子生物學的基礎條目全部掃完(<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep</a>),僅寫首段,但希望能根本地改變分生/遺傳學條目嚴重缺乏的情形。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月23日 (五) 06:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Googol19980904-2021-04-26T15:17:00.000Z-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T02:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Googol19980904-2021-04-26T15:17:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z"></span>我前天點開了最近更改,發現日文似乎編輯頻率和我們差不多,40分鐘500筆編輯的樣子(英文是6分鐘內500筆),所以質量和中文也許半斤八兩?阿拉伯語最近沒有看到開機器人,倒是埃及阿拉伯語有人(非機器人)靠一己之力刷條目(大多為人物條目)超越中文。--<a href="/wiki/User:Googol19980904" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Googol19980904">Googol19980904</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Googol19980904" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Googol19980904">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Googol19980904-2021-04-26T15:17:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月26日 (一) 15:17 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Googol19980904-2021-04-26T15:17:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-04-23T06:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="植物病毒">植物病毒</a>。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-04-27T02:00:00.000Z-Googol19980904-2021-04-26T15:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月27日 (二) 02:00 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-04-27T02:00:00.000Z-Googol19980904-2021-04-26T15:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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talk:Googol19980904">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-04-27T02:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月27日 (二) 03:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-04-27T02:00:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z","author":"Googol19980904","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-27T02:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-27T23:36:00.000Z-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-04-27T02:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-04-27T23:36:00.000Z-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Googol19980904" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Googol19980904">Googol19980904</a>:</span>我把<a href="/wiki/%E6%A4%8D%E7%89%A9%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="植物病毒">植物病毒</a>給寫了,可能是我寫過條目中難度數一數二的,英文版的來源都因為過時而幾乎不能用。以後如果還有寫生物學條目,可以列入<a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%94%9F%E7%89%A9%E5%AD%A6/%E6%96%B0%E8%BF%9B%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE" title="Portal:生物学/新进条目">Portal:生物學/新進條目</a>中。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-04-27T23:36:00.000Z-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月27日 (二) 23:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-04-27T23:36:00.000Z-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-27T23:36:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-27T23:36:00.000Z-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-04-27T23:36:00.000Z-Googol19980904-2021-04-27T03:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T09:25:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"></span>惭愧,阁下把在下也列为了“一只手数得过来”的几个人之一。在下当初进入维基的初衷就是觉得中文维基分生条目太缺乏了,不过有Shakiestone建立的一系列EC模板,让在下有了先建立一系列导航模板,再根据模板一个个写条目,哪怕只写首段就好,共勉<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T09:25:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月23日 (五) 09:25 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-23T09:25:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-29T12:12:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Googol19980904" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Googol19980904">Googol19980904</a>:</span>“有總比沒有好,建好條目讓有興趣的人來擴充,畢竟很多人不會或不懂得如何創建條目。”在下也是这样想的,共勉。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-29T12:12:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月29日 (四) 12:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-04-29T12:12:00.000Z-日语版条目数量已经超越越南语版,即将超越瓦瑞瓦瑞语"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" 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href="https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/20/989074708/anatomy-of-a-spillover-we-failed-to-stop-sars-cov-2-how-do-find-the-next-big-one">[51]</a>"For example, Gray and his colleagues recently searched for undiscovered coronaviruses in people sick with pneumonia — and quickly found one. The team screened about 400 samples from pneumonia patients in Sarawak in Malaysia. They found at least four people infected with a new coronavirus that likely came from an animal."<a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%B1%E6%B4%8B%E5%8D%80" class="mw-redirect" title="東洋區">東洋區</a>應該經常發生冠狀病毒(昨天發現連<a href="/wiki/M6A" class="mw-redirect" title="M6A">m6A</a>都沒有條目,現在打到一半又發現病毒溢出都沒有條目.....我去寫好了)--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-05-03T18:44:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-29T12:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年5月3日 (一) 18:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-05-03T18:44:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-04-29T12:12:00.000Z"><span 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class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=29" title="编辑章节:重複序列"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-05-08T08:16:00.000Z-重複序列"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>在下覺得{{<a href="/wiki/Template:%E9%87%8D%E5%A4%8D%E5%BA%8F%E5%88%97" title="Template:重复序列">重複序列</a>}}這個模板挺怪的,首先模板把「重複序列」跟「轉座子」視為平行關系,後者應該屬於前者才對,還有把gene conversion放在interspersed repeat的子項目,據我所知interspersed repeats包含的範圍應該跟transposon是一樣的?某基因重複而發生gene conversion的情況感覺不能算是一種interspersed repeat。另外,retrotransposon跟retroposon需要分兩個條目嗎?這兩個詞應該幾乎在文獻中被當作一樣的了,英文<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/retroposon" class="extiw" title="en:retroposon">en:retroposon</a>提到有人把「沒有LTR的retrotransposon」(SINE跟LINE)合稱為retroposon,又有人將retroposon定義為不編碼RT的retrotransposon,沒有明確分界,寫成兩條目可能使人混淆。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-05-08T08:16:00.000Z-重複序列" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年5月8日 (六) 08:16 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-05-08T08:16:00.000Z-重複序列"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>,<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r83791214"><mark class="skin-invert text-blocked inline-text-block-hd" title="你知道的太多了" style="background-color: #000000bf">transposon这一块估计是在下当初分子生物学课程上最没理解的一块内容</mark>。<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Repeated_sequence&amp;oldid=886159143">英文维基里较早的版本</a>把轉座子纳入重複序列子項目的子項目。 另外,似乎是Howard Temin在区分retrotransposon跟retroposon?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-05-09T09:06:00.000Z-重複序列" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年5月9日 (日) 09:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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href="/wiki/LTR%E5%8F%8D%E8%BD%89%E9%8C%84%E8%BD%89%E5%BA%A7%E5%AD%90" title="LTR反轉錄轉座子">LTR反轉錄轉座子</a>跟<a href="/wiki/%E5%85%A7%E6%BA%90%E6%80%A7%E5%8F%8D%E8%BD%89%E9%8C%84%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="內源性反轉錄病毒">內源性反轉錄病毒</a>讓我幾乎抓狂,文獻中混用兩者的狀況非常嚴重(例如人類的LTR-retrotransposon很多都直接被稱為retrovirus),很多文章語焉不詳(找不到夠新又夠全面的綜述文章),英文版就更是全篇迷迷糊糊,慘啊。好在剩下一條DNA transposon,等我過幾天幹掉之後這方面的基礎條目就算掃完了。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-05-09T09:19:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-05-09T09:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年5月9日 (日) 09:19 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-05-09T09:19:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-05-09T09:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-09T09:19:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-05-09T09:19:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-05-09T09:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-05-09T09:19:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-05-09T09:06:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="又有报道新SARS-related病毒" data-mw-thread-id="h-又有报道新SARS-related病毒-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-05-26T06:04:00.000Z"><span id=".E5.8F.88.E6.9C.89.E6.8A.A5.E9.81.93.E6.96.B0SARS-related.E7.97.85.E6.AF.92"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-又有报道新SARS-related病毒-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-05-26T06:04:00.000Z"></span>又有报道新SARS-related病毒<span data-mw-comment-end="h-又有报道新SARS-related病毒-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-05-26T06:04:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=30" title="编辑章节:又有报道新SARS-related病毒"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a href="/wiki/%E7%9F%B3%E6%AD%A3%E4%B8%BD" title="石正丽"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T06:04:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"></span>石正丽</a>女士最新的BioRxiv预印本:“Identification of a novel lineage bat SARS-related coronaviruses that use bat ACE2 receptor” </p><p>报导了<a href="/w/index.php?title=RaTG15%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="RaTG15病毒(页面不存在)">RaTG15</a>等8个病毒株,是sars-1与sars-2之外的SARS-related lineage。但可惜的是,没有把肯尼亚到保加利亚的<a href="/wiki/BM48-31%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="BM48-31病毒">BM48-31</a>、<a href="/wiki/BtKY72%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="BtKY72病毒">BtKY72</a>那一批被我们称为“sars-cov-3”也纳入系统树(倒是纳入了<a href="/wiki/%E6%99%AE%E6%B0%8F%E8%B9%84%E8%9D%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92Zhejiang2013" title="普氏蹄蝠冠状病毒Zhejiang2013">ZJ2003</a>等),所以不知道RaTG15是不是和“sars-cov-3”一支。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T06:04:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年5月26日 (三) 06:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T06:04:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T14:35:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年5月26日 (三) 14:35 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T14:35:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-26T14:35:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T14:35:00.000Z-\u53c8\u6709\u62a5\u9053\u65b0SARS-related\u75c5\u6bd2","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-06-12T02:41:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T14:35:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T14:35:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"></span> </p> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-06-12T02:41:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-05-26T14:35:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>法語這個模板做的挺漂亮,我們要不要拿過來?RacCS203、RshSTT200跟RaTG15我拖到現在還沒寫....希望能快點寫掉。寫<a href="/wiki/%E8%8F%8A%E9%A0%AD%E8%9D%A0%E7%A7%91" title="菊頭蝠科">菊頭蝠科</a>時發現一件很蹊蹺的事啊,目前所有SARS-CoV-2相關的病毒株都沒有<a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%8D%8E%E8%8F%8A%E5%A4%B4%E8%9D%A0" title="中华菊头蝠">中華菊頭蝠</a>身上的,分屬其他6種菊頭蝠,但SARS-CoV相關的毒株絕大部分在中華菊頭蝠,這不知道有什麼演化意義。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a 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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-12T04:01:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"></span>拿呗,就是快半年了,可能需要更新(就等那几篇BioRxiv预印本publish了) </p><p>在下想要不要先在英文里建立SARS-CoV-1 related模板,把<a href="/wiki/WIV1%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="WIV1病毒">WIV1</a>、<a href="/wiki/WIV16%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="WIV16病毒">WIV16</a>、<a href="/wiki/%E8%9D%99%E8%9D%A0%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92HKU3" title="蝙蝠冠狀病毒HKU3">HKU3</a>、SHC014病毒--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-12T04:01:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月12日 (六) 04:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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title="Template:SARS-CoV-2 related coronavirus">Template:SARS-CoV-2 related coronavirus</a>。SARS1的模板如果能建也很好,中文版條目大多已經寫了,樹形可以參考<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698">[52]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/genomic-characterization-of-2019-nCoV-Lancet-1-29-2020.pdf">[53]</a>。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-06-13T05:54:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-12T04:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月13日 (日) 05:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-06-13T05:54:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-12T04:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-13T05:54:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-06-13T05:54:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-12T04:01:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-06-13T05:54:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-12T04:01:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T06:23:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"></span>英文版的<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SARS-CoV-1_related_coronavirus" class="extiw" title="en:Template:SARS-CoV-1 related coronavirus">en:Template:SARS-CoV-1 related coronavirus</a>已经写好了,樹形參考<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.21.445091v1.full">[54]</a>这篇文章,顺便都放进去了英文<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome%E2%80%93related_coronavirus" class="extiw" title="en:Severe acute respiratory syndrome–related coronavirus">en:Severe acute respiratory syndrome–related coronavirus</a>条目中,还联络了法文维基的A1AA1A用户,他说下周就翻译为法语。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T06:23:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月13日 (日) 06:23 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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href="/wiki/%E5%87%AF%E6%B0%8F%E5%B8%A6" title="凯氏带">凯氏带</a>搬运到了英文--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T06:28:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月13日 (日) 06:28 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T06:28:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-06-13T08:49:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T06:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月13日 (日) 08:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-06-13T08:49:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T06:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月13日 (日) 14:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T14:52:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-13T14:52:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T14:52:00.000Z-\u53c8\u6709\u62a5\u9053\u65b0SARS-related\u75c5\u6bd2","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-06-19T05:15:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T14:52:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T14:52:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"></span> </p> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-06-19T05:15:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T14:52:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>抱歉忘了回,看了下SARS-1支系的樹有點棘手,每篇文章樹形都不同,比較新起且涵蓋多數病毒株的是<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://academic.oup.com/view-large/figure/232195278/veab007f1.tif">[55]</a>(但160B33並非基群),另外還可參考<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(20)30662-X.pdf">[56]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/12/20-3386-f1">[57]</a>,我感覺綜合比較之下,Rm1跟Rf1可以放在同支,Rs672應該當成{SARS, WIV1, SHC014, WIV16}的姐妹群,Rp3就更不清楚了,應該跟YNLF_31C接近,但具體位置不好說。</li></ul> <dl><dd>另外(我猜閣下也已經注意到了)很高興看到A1AA1A在法文維基也開始寫這些SARS1與2變種的條目,以及上週上線的這篇文章<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867421007091?via%3Dihub">[58]</a>,RpYN06相似度僅次於RaTG13,但樹形不太穩定啊,不知為何英文版模板決定把它畫成{SARS-CoV-2, RaTG13}的外群,感覺只是依照相似度數字高低排列,沒什麼依據(文章中貌似並沒有長這樣的樹)。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-06-19T05:15:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T14:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月19日 (六) 05:15 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-06-19T05:15:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-13T14:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-19T09:20:00.000Z-又有报道新SARS-related病毒"></span> </p> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-06-20T19:52:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-19T09:20:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>看來確實得等新文章給出更穩定的樹形了,我自己習慣的做法是如果樹中有一部分樹形在各文章中不一致,就不畫出細部樹形,只畫一個clade並用頓號分隔這些病毒株(如<a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8A%B6%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92#分類" title="冠状病毒">冠状病毒#分類</a>)。JTMC15雖然跟16BO133很接近但應該沒什麼關注度,只是上千個SARSr-CoV的其中之一,感覺不用特別畫在演化樹上。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-06-20T19:52:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-19T09:20:00.000Z" 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id=".E7.94.A8MEGA.E8.87.AA.E5.B7.B1.E7.94.BB.E4.BA.86.E4.B8.80.E4.B8.8BSARS-1.E7.B3.BB.E7.BB.9F.E6.A0.91"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-06-21T05:36:00.000Z"></span>用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树<span data-mw-comment-end="h-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-06-21T05:36:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=31" title="编辑章节:用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-06-21T05:36:00.000Z-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树"></span>截至2021年1月<span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">2021-01</span>)</span><sup class="plainlinks noprint asof-tag update" style="display:none;"><a class="external text" 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class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/Rm1%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Rm1病毒">Rm1</a> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" 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</td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/16BO133%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="16BO133病毒">16BO133</a> <small>85 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> <a href="/wiki/%E9%A9%AC%E9%93%81%E8%8F%8A%E5%A4%B4%E8%9D%A0" title="马铁菊头蝠">马铁菊头蝠</a><span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> <a href="/wiki/%E9%9F%93%E5%9C%8B" class="mw-redirect" title="韓國">韓國</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%85%A8%E7%BE%85%E5%8C%97%E9%81%93" class="mw-redirect" title="全羅北道">全羅北道</a> (2016年採集、2019年發表)</small><sup id="cite_ref-pmid31076983_3-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-pmid31076983-3"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>3<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/w/index.php?title=JTMC15%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="JTMC15病毒(页面不存在)">JTMC15</a> <small>85 %</small> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/w/index.php?title=JL2012%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="JL2012病毒(页面不存在)">JL2012</a> <small>85 %</small> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/LYRa11%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="LYRa11病毒">LYRa11</a> <small>90.9 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> <a href="/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%8A%E5%A4%B4%E8%9D%A0" title="中菊头蝠">中菊头蝠</a><span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中國<a href="/wiki/%E9%9B%B2%E5%8D%97" class="mw-redirect" title="雲南">雲南</a><a href="/wiki/%E4%BF%9D%E5%B1%B1%E5%B8%82" title="保山市">保山</a> (2011年採集、2014年發表)</small><sup id="cite_ref-pmid24719429_4-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-pmid24719429-4"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>4<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/Rp3%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Rp3病毒">Rp3</a> <small>92.6 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> <a href="/wiki/%E7%9A%AE%E6%B0%8F%E8%8F%8A%E5%A4%B4%E8%9D%A0" title="皮氏菊头蝠">皮氏菊头蝠</a><span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中國<a href="/wiki/%E5%BB%A3%E8%A5%BF" class="mw-redirect" title="廣西">廣西</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%8D%97%E5%AE%81%E5%B8%82" title="南宁市">南寧</a> (2004年採集、2005年發表)</small><sup id="cite_ref-Li2005_2-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-Li2005-2"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>2<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/Rs672%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Rs672病毒">Rs672</a> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/YNLF_31C%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92%E8%88%87YNLF_34C%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="YNLF 31C病毒與YNLF 34C病毒">SL-CoV YNLF_31C</a> <small>93.5 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 马铁菊头蝠<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中國雲南<a href="/wiki/%E7%A6%84%E4%B8%B0%E5%B8%82" title="禄丰市">禄丰</a> (2013年採集、2015年發表)</small><sup id="cite_ref-LauFeng2015_5-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-LauFeng2015-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/YNLF_31C%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92%E8%88%87YNLF_34C%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="YNLF 31C病毒與YNLF 34C病毒">SL-CoV YNLF_34C</a> <small>93.5 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 马铁菊头蝠<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中國雲南禄丰 (2013年採集、2015年發表)</small><sup id="cite_ref-LauFeng2015_5-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-LauFeng2015-5"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>5<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/SHC014%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="SHC014病毒">SHC014</a> <small>95.4 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中華菊頭蝠<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中國雲南<a href="/wiki/%E6%98%86%E6%98%8E" class="mw-redirect" title="昆明">昆明</a> (2011年採集、2013年發表)</small><sup id="cite_ref-2013Nature_6-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2013Nature-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/WIV1%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="WIV1病毒">WIV1</a> <small>95.6 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中华菊头蝠<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中國雲南昆明 (2012年採集、2013年發表)</small><sup id="cite_ref-2013Nature_6-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-2013Nature-6"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4d4ee ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/WIV16%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="WIV16病毒">WIV16</a> <small>96.0 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中华菊头蝠<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中國雲南昆明 (2013年採集、2016年發表)<sup id="cite_ref-pmid26719272_7-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-pmid26719272-7"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>7<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </small></p><small> </small></td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r62996521"> <table class="clade"> <tbody><tr> <td class="clade-label first">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#d4eed4 ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/%E6%9E%9C%E5%AD%90%E8%B2%8DSARS%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="果子貍SARS冠狀病毒">果子貍SARS冠狀病毒</a> <small>99.8 %<span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> <a href="/wiki/%E6%9E%9C%E5%AD%90%E7%8B%B8" title="果子狸">果子狸</a><span style="white-space:nowrap; font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> 中國廣東</small><sup id="cite_ref-book2015_1-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-book2015-1"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>1<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#eed4d4 ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/SARS-CoV" class="mw-redirect" title="SARS-CoV">SARS-CoV</a> <small>100 %</small> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel">  </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-label">  </td> <td rowspan="2" class="clade-leaf"> <p><span style="border:none; font-size:90%; background:#eed4d4 ; vertical-align:middle; webkit-print-color-adjust:exact; color-adjust:exact; display:inline-block; width:1.3em; height:1.3em;"></span> <a href="/wiki/SARS-CoV-2" class="mw-redirect" title="SARS-CoV-2">SARS-CoV-2</a> <small>79 %</small> </p> </td></tr> <tr> <td class="clade-slabel last">  </td></tr></tbody></table> <div style="font-size:85%"> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r84565780">.mw-parser-output .legend{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .legend-color{display:inline-block;min-width:1.25em;height:1.25em;line-height:1.25;margin:1px 0;text-align:center;border:1px solid var(--border-color-notice,black);color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .legend-color-styled{display:inline-block;min-width:1.25em;height:1.25em;line-height:1.25;margin:1px 0;text-align:center;border:1px solid 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href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>Good Job!這是全基因組下去畫的嗎?結果跟今年初那篇一樣16BO133不是基群,反而是HKU3、Rm1、Rf1這些相似度更高的更早分家,這點相當有意思啊,照理說16B0133、JTMC15、JL2012這幾株一來與SARS的相似度最低,二來地理上最遠(吉林與韓國,都在東洋區之外),真不知生物地理學上是怎麼演化的,可能整個東北亞還有很多不為人知的SARSr-CoV,只是過去研究者都未曾涉及,只把注意力放在華南西南一帶。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-06-21T05:36:00.000Z-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月21日 (一) 05:36 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-06-21T05:36:00.000Z-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树"><span 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href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-21T05:56:00.000Z-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月21日 (一) 05:56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-21T05:56:00.000Z-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KC881005">[59]</a></li></ul> <dl><dd>看來SARS1基部的那幾株還不是很明朗,不知道是有哪些先分出去,還是像閣下的結果這樣整支包括HKU3、160OB33、Rf1、Rm1在內都一起分出去。不知閣下有沒有看過關於冠狀病毒生物地理學的文章(我並沒有找到過),感覺是很有意思的課題。<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6466186/">這篇</a>顯示除吉林那株外,河北陝西山西還各有一株SARSrCoV,不知道會不會也是這一支的。看這篇文章還有幾個有趣的發現:原來台灣也發現過SARSr-CoV(CYCU‐R9/TW/2013),可惜只定了RdRp,挺好奇這一株的位置;圖中標出了南海諸島讓我一開始以為南沙上都有SARSr-CoV,仔細看才發現根本沒有....;以及陝西跟山西的英文就差多一個a。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-06-21T23:22:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-21T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月21日 (一) 23:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-06-21T23:22:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-21T05:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-06-21T23:22:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-06-21T23:22:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-21T05:56:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-06-21T23:22:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-21T05:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-25T10:40:00.000Z-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树"></span> 前几天找了22个SARS-COV-1、WIV1的近源序列,用MEGA花了二十几个小时跑ALIGN,又花了十几个小时跑PHYLOGENY,结果电脑崩溃了,什么都没保存住<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b> </p><p>不过根据SARS-COV-1、WIV1、WIV16、SHC014这四五个的complete gemone跑的树,当前的树的这一块是对的--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-25T10:40:00.000Z-用MEGA自己画了一下SARS-1系统树" 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id=".E5.86.A0.E7.8A.B6.E7.97.85.E6.AF.92.E5.9B.BD.E9.99.85.E5.89.8D.E6.B2.BF.E7.A0.94.E7.A9.B6.E4.B8.8E.E5.88.9B.E6.96.B0.E8.AE.BA.E5.9D.9B"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-06-28T16:49:00.000Z"></span>冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛<span data-mw-comment-end="h-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛-又有新的关于Letovirinae的信息-2021-06-28T16:49:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=32" title="编辑章节:冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.163.com/dy/article/GB8HUIAE0511VCHN.html"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-28T16:49:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span>会议通知 |冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛</a> 阁下有没有兴趣投个摘要?--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-28T16:49:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月28日 (一) 16:49 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-06-28T16:49:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-06-30T20:09:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-28T16:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月30日 (三) 20:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-06-30T20:09:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-06-28T16:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年7月1日 (四) 04:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-01T04:01:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-01T04:01:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-01T04:01:00.000Z-\u51a0\u72b6\u75c5\u6bd2\u56fd\u9645\u524d\u6cbf\u7814\u7a76\u4e0e\u521b\u65b0\u8bba\u575b","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-01T04:01:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-01T15:14:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span>会议联系人刘博士刚好是在下硕士期间的同届同学,问他他说这个会相对来说还是比较开放,没那么大的难度--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-01T15:14:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年7月1日 (四) 15:14 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-01T15:14:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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Baric来源的问题,见在下英文的讨论页 --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-01T15:34:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年7月1日 (四) 15:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-01T15:34:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T05:11:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span> </p> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-07-05T09:46:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T05:11:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>最近也比較忙,而且沒想到有關於這個論壇五大主題的摘要,大概先不投了,關於之前被拒的那個「鼠類冠狀病毒」,在下還是想等有空時(估計年底)試試看PloS One的Topics Article。這幾天有空時我得趕緊去回覆那位德語維基人,以及更新Baric的條目。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-07-05T09:46:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T05:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年7月5日 (一) 09:46 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-07-05T09:46:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T05:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-05T09:46:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-07-05T09:46:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T05:11:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-07-05T09:46:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T05:11:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T10:34:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span>辛苦!--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T10:34:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年7月5日 (一) 10:34 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T10:34:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-05T10:34:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T10:34:00.000Z-\u51a0\u72b6\u75c5\u6bd2\u56fd\u9645\u524d\u6cbf\u7814\u7a76\u4e0e\u521b\u65b0\u8bba\u575b","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-05T10:34:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span> </p><p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV19M4y1M7S9?p=7&amp;spm_id_from=pageDriver"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span>[61]</a> Susan R. Weiss的讲课视频,有中译--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年7月20日 (二) 07:04 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z","author":"Htmlzycq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z-\u51a0\u72b6\u75c5\u6bd2\u56fd\u9645\u524d\u6cbf\u7814\u7a76\u4e0e\u521b\u65b0\u8bba\u575b","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-07-24T06:16:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span> </p> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-07-24T06:16:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>多謝分享,以前聽他的演講有提到自己做的領域過去都乏人問津(類似Baric實驗室本來都要倒了),他都打算退休,但去年時勢造英雄,一夕爆紅,發覺大家都開始重視他做的東西<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>。這系列課程是專門開給中國觀眾的嗎?</li></ul> <dl><dd>我挺推薦<span class="ilh-all ilh-blue" data-orig-title="This Week in Virology" data-lang-code="en" data-lang-name="英语" data-foreign-title="This Week in Virology"><span class="ilh-page"><a href="/wiki/This_Week_in_Virology" class="mw-redirect" title="This Week in Virology">This Week in Virology</a></span></span>,很好的節目,深入淺出,特別有幾集講病毒起源、駁斥實驗室洩漏說的。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-07-24T06:16:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年7月24日 (六) 06:16 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-07-24T06:16:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-24T06:16:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-07-24T06:16:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Labyrinthulomycetes"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-07-24T06:16:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-07-20T07:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-24T09:16:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛"></span>那应该是宾夕法尼亚大学的公开课程,不是專門開給中國觀眾的,Susan R. Weiss是讲者之一,刚好第六讲第七讲是她,我看着名字这么熟悉,想起阁下写过她的条目,就转过来了,应该还有后续,中文还没译全,说实话,这译者还是比较搞怪的<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr> --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-07-24T09:16:00.000Z-冠状病毒国际前沿研究与创新论坛" 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typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%80%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%8B" title="Wikipedia:《维基人》"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikipedian_Journal_Title_zh-hans.svg/100px-Wikipedian_Journal_Title_zh-hans.svg.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="32" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikipedian_Journal_Title_zh-hans.svg/150px-Wikipedian_Journal_Title_zh-hans.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Wikipedian_Journal_Title_zh-hans.svg/200px-Wikipedian_Journal_Title_zh-hans.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="166"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><b>本期內容</b></div></div> <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; padding-bottom:8px;"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%80%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%8B/%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%9B%9B%E6%9C%9F/%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E%E5%92%8C%E6%9C%9F%E5%88%8A%E6%91%98%E9%8C%84" title="Wikipedia:《维基人》/第十四期/新聞和期刊摘錄">新聞和期刊摘錄</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%80%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%8B/%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%9B%9B%E6%9C%9F/%E6%96%B0%E9%AE%AE%E4%BA%8B" title="Wikipedia:《维基人》/第十四期/新鮮事">新鮮事</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%80%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%8B/%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%9B%9B%E6%9C%9F/%E7%BB%99%E5%AD%A6%E7%94%9F%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E7%9A%84%E5%BB%BA%E8%AE%AE" title="Wikipedia:《维基人》/第十四期/给学生维基人的建议">指南針:給學生維基人的建議</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%80%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%8B/%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%9B%9B%E6%9C%9F/%E6%A3%AE%E6%9E%97%E7%A0%8D%E4%BC%90%E5%BE%9E%E7%92%B0%E5%A2%83%E4%BA%BA%E9%A1%9E%E5%AD%B8%E8%AA%AA%E8%B5%B7" title="Wikipedia:《维基人》/第十四期/森林砍伐從環境人類學說起">專題報導:森林砍伐從環境人類學說起</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%80%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%8B/%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%9B%9B%E6%9C%9F/%E8%A8%AA%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="Wikipedia:《维基人》/第十四期/訪維基人靖天子">維基人專訪:靖天子</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%80%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%8B/%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%9B%9B%E6%9C%9F/%E6%88%91%E5%AF%B9%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%E5%A4%A7%E9%9D%A9%E5%91%BD%E7%9B%B8%E5%85%B3%E6%9D%A1%E7%9B%AE%E7%9A%84%E7%9C%8B%E6%B3%95" title="Wikipedia:《维基人》/第十四期/我对文化大革命相关条目的看法">維基評述:我對文化大革命相關條目的看法</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E3%80%8A%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%8B/%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%9B%9B%E6%9C%9F/%E6%B0%A3%E6%97%8B%E6%A2%9D%E7%9B%AE%E5%85%A5%E9%96%80%E6%8C%87%E5%8D%97" title="Wikipedia:《维基人》/第十四期/氣旋條目入門指南">維基評述:氣旋條目入門指南</a></li></ul> </div> <div style="clear:both; margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">PDF版本(<a href="/wiki/File:%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%BA%E4%BA%BA%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%9B%9B%E6%9C%9F.pdf" title="File:维基人第十四期.pdf">簡體版</a> · <a 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id="c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:16:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:16:00.000Z"></span>由於您的討論頁面目前設定不接受消息發送,本人代表《維基人》補發送一份本期概要予您。若您希望繼續接收《維基人》相關消息,建議您取消不接受消息發送的設定。—— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Eric Liu</a></b><sub> 創造は生命(<b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ericliu1912" title="User talk:Ericliu1912">留言</a>.<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912#訪客芳名錄" title="User:Ericliu1912">留名</a>.<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F%E6%9C%83" title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:16:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月2日 (二) 15:16 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:16:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a 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title="Wikipedia:維基學生會">學生會</a></b>)</sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:24:00.000Z-給您的星章!_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月2日 (二) 15:24 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:24:00.000Z-給您的星章!_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-02T15:24:00.000Z","author":"Ericliu1912","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:24:00.000Z-\u7d66\u60a8\u7684\u661f\u7ae0\uff01_2","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-03-03T01:02:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Eric Liu"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:24:00.000Z-給您的星章!_2"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <ul><li><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-03-03T01:02:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:24:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Ericliu1912" title="User:Ericliu1912">Ericliu1912</a>:</span>感謝閣下將《維基人》復刊,可以想像編纂PDF為一大工程,真是辛苦了,希望能看到《維基人》繼續出版!--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-03T01:02:00.000Z-Ericliu1912-2021-03-02T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月3日 (三) 01:02 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Re:ACE2\u5df2\u7d93\u5beb\u5b8c-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z-Re:ACE2\u5df2\u7d93\u5beb\u5b8c&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Re:ACE2\u5df2\u7d93\u5beb\u5b8c&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Re:ACE2\u5df2\u7d93\u5beb\u5b8c&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z-Re:ACE2已經寫完"></span>謝謝祝福。 </p><p>謝謝有關ACE2的編輯, 等我看完後, 可以提供生物非專業人士的意見。--<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z-Re:ACE2已經寫完" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月4日 (四) 06:31 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z-Re:ACE2已經寫完"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z","author":"Wolfch","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z-Re:ACE2\u5df2\u7d93\u5beb\u5b8c","replies":["c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T09:44:00.000Z-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z-Re:ACE2已經寫完"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T09:44:00.000Z-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z"></span>有關首段的「SARS-CoV與SARS-CoV-2和ACE2結合的能力應為多次起源,可能與病毒的重組有關。」, 不太清楚「多次起源」意思,意思是這些病毒在發展過程中, 各因為不同的原因而發展了和ACE2結合的能力嗎?--<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T09:44:00.000Z-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月4日 (四) 09:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wolfch-2021-03-04T09:44:00.000Z-Wolfch-2021-03-04T06:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a>:</span>我做個比喻(實際情況更複雜,我假想一個比較單純的情況),假設一個家族有10種病毒,都是從同一個祖先所衍生而成,這10種病毒都可以與ACE2結合,那很可能這10種病毒的共同祖先也是能與ACE2結合的(或者這個共同祖先不能與ACE2結合,10種病毒是各自分別獲得這樣的能力,但這個機率就比前者低許多);假如有9種病毒可以和ACE2結合,1種不行,那麼有兩種可能:10種病毒的共祖可以與ACE2結合,但有1種自己喪失了這個能力,或者共祖不能與ACE2結合,有9種病毒分別各自獲得這個能力(機率比前著低很多);假如是只有2種病毒可與ACE2結合,另外8種不行,那就比較可能是共祖不能與ACE2結合,這2種病毒是後來各自獲得了結合力(另一種情況是共祖可與ACE2結合,但有8種病毒都喪失了結合力,但機率就低許多)</dd> <dd>SARS-CoV和SARS-CoV-2就接近上面的第三種情況,它們與ACE2結合的能力應該是<a href="/wiki/%E8%B6%A8%E5%90%8C%E6%BC%94%E5%8C%96" class="mw-redirect" title="趨同演化">趨同演化</a>的結果,所以說是多次起源的。所以「這些病毒在發展過程中,各發展了和ACE2結合的能力」是對的,但「原因」應該是一樣的(為了感染細胞)--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a 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id="c-靖天子-2021-03-04T19:03:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-03-04T10:13:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a>:</span>我稍微改寫了這句話,去掉了「多次起源」。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-04T19:03:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-03-04T10:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月4日 (四) 19:03 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-04T19:03:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-03-04T10:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Wolfch-2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Re:Portal:\u75c5\u6bd2-2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Wolfch-2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z-Re:Portal:\u75c5\u6bd2&quot;,&quot;c-Wolfch-2021-03-23T08:54:00.000Z-Re:Portal:\u75c5\u6bd2&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Re:\u200ePortal:\u75c5\u6bd2&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Re:Portal:\u75c5\u6bd2&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z-Re:Portal:病毒"></span>謝謝您對醫學翻譯計劃的肯定,我會將訊息轉給計劃的負責人,謝謝您。--<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Wolfch-2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z-Re:Portal:病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月22日 (一) 23:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wolfch-2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z-Re:Portal:病毒"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z","author":"Wolfch","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wolfch-2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z-Re:Portal:\u75c5\u6bd2","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wolfch-2021-03-22T23:32:00.000Z-Re:Portal:病毒"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wolfch-2021-03-23T08:54:00.000Z-Re:Portal:病毒"></span>有關醫學翻譯計劃貢獻,又有提報過DYK的病毒相闗條目, <a href="/wiki/User:Koala0090" title="User:Koala0090">User:Koala0090</a>提供的資料如下: </p> <ul><li>醫學翻譯計劃曾在2015年擴充過<a href="/wiki/%E6%B5%81%E8%A1%8C%E6%80%A7%E6%84%9F%E5%86%92" title="流行性感冒">流行性感冒</a>條目,之後在2017年提報過DYK, 同年也通過優良條目和典範條目評選。</li> <li><a href="/wiki/%E6%99%AE%E9%80%9A%E6%84%9F%E5%86%92" title="普通感冒">普通感冒</a>條目在2012年曾經DYK通過,醫學翻譯計劃後來也在2018年擴充過<a href="/wiki/%E6%99%AE%E9%80%9A%E6%84%9F%E5%86%92" title="普通感冒">普通感冒</a>條目(因此DYK的版本和醫學翻譯計劃沒有什麼關係)</li></ul> <p>不過上述條目都是和病毒有關疾病的條目,不是介紹病毒的條目,不知是否符合<a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Portal:病毒">portal:病毒</a>的需求?謝謝 --<a href="/wiki/User:Wolfch" title="User:Wolfch">Wolfch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Wolfch" title="User talk:Wolfch">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Wolfch-2021-03-23T08:54:00.000Z-Re:Portal:病毒" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月23日 (二) 08:54 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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title="Portal:病毒">Portal:病毒</a>已經大致建好,閣下有空可以看看指教(各欄位為隨機展示,右下方的「更多」可顯示所有待展示的內容)。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">🦠</a><sup><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">receptor</a></b></sup> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-03-23T17:50:00.000Z-Wolfch-2021-03-23T08:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月23日 (二) 17:50 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-03-23T17:50:00.000Z-Wolfch-2021-03-23T08:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z"></span>Re<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=37" title="编辑章节:Re"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Re-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z-Re"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z-Re","timestamp":"2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Re-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z-Re&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Re&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Re&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z-Re"></span>术业有专攻而已。 </p><p>长期以来研究数理化生医学的文献资料绝大多数是英语文献,甚至日语文献都远远超出汉语数倍。 </p><p>人的精力有限,钻研这些学科的同时做不到仔细衡量汉语措辞,往往只能按英语用词习惯来写,写出来的姑且算“科学式”汉语吧。然而汉语就是汉语,之所以有科学式汉语,不过是汉语没学到家只用根据英语、口语生造措汇乃至句式。 </p><p>举个可能很多人会觉得不可思议的例子。查教授的小说我觉得很了不起,这不仅是因为情节、想象,更是文笔。从《越女剑》到《鹿鼎记》,全书没有“进行”,没有“XX性”,没有“在少林寺”这类开头,也没有“最XXX之一”,甚至完全没有“之一”,没有“主义”,没有“作出了很大的贡献”,没有“成功”。很多人会认为这是学科差异,我不觉得,我觉得这是汉语学没学到家的问题。 </p><p>只举一例,汉语本来连男女都不分,哪来的性。但科学界写文章,世间万物的所有特点就像电脑文件“属性”选项,有数以万计的复选框一个个选就行,似乎汉语原有的形容词不管用,其实都是没学到。“永久居民身份证”,“永久”是形容词,形容后面的居民身份证非常通顺,便要故做姿态写成“永久性居民身份证”;某种疾病会传染,非要说某种疾病“有传染性”,传染病要叫“传染性疾病”,极易传染、容易传染、不易传染、不传染,偏要写成“传染性极强、传染性很强、传染性不强、传染性为零”,似乎这样就更有“科学性”般。流行感冒要叫“流行性感冒”,很专业要说很有专业性;他的看法、建议言之有物、脚踏实地、一针见血、说到点子上……非要说“很有建设性”;不可能、可能、有可能、很可能就显得“不科学”,要改成“可能性为零(没有这个可能性)、有这个可能性、可能性很大”,“纪念建筑”非要写“纪念性建筑物”。总而言之,除“性别”、“个性”这类辞汇,汉语稍算入门的都不会写出XX性这种词。 </p><p>极力建议参考余光中的《中文的常态与变态》,我的总结还远不如他全面。 </p><p>当然,我上述的看法估计只对大陆人有意义,因为就我的观察不管香港还是台湾,在这方面做法相反。 </p><p>最后重申,这只是术业有专攻,能在数理化生医领域贡献,汉语学不到家又有什么要紧,再说我也没见过这些领域年轻一代的专业人士有谁在乎。--<a href="/wiki/User:Jarodalien" title="User:Jarodalien">7</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jarodalien" title="User talk:Jarodalien">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z-Re" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年3月28日 (日) 03:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z-Re"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z","author":"Jarodalien","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z-Re","replies":[],"displayName":"7"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jarodalien-2021-03-28T03:01:00.000Z-Re"></span> </p><p>评论得好!身为台湾人,常觉得对汉语的无力!但,先不论政策面,光就自小学习开始,就肩负学汉英两种语言的负担,更何况汉语的语法,个人觉得大家并不重视,实在难以回天!再者,汉语也是有其缺陷的,只能靠政策逆转其弱点,就如1920年发布的《通令采用新式标点符号文》。 --yyfroy 2021年4月17日 (六) 05:30 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="給您的星章!_3" data-mw-thread-id="h-給您的星章!_3"><span 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ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z-\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36&quot;}--><h2 id="卡氏帶" data-mw-thread-id="h-卡氏帶-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z"><span id=".E5.8D.A1.E6.B0.8F.E5.B8.B6"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-卡氏帶-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z"></span>卡氏帶<span data-mw-comment-end="h-卡氏帶-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=39" title="编辑章节:卡氏帶"><span>编辑</span></a><span 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z-\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z-卡氏帶"></span>靖天子您好,許久不見,感謝您一直以來對生物條目的無私貢獻。想請問,您最新提報DYK的<a href="/wiki/%E5%8D%A1%E6%B0%8F%E5%B8%B6" class="mw-redirect" title="卡氏帶">卡氏帶</a>發育段落的第二段第一句寫到「卡氏帶蛋白蛋白為膜蛋白」,請問這是單純的冗字嗎?因為不知道原本想表達什麼所以我沒有動他。--<a href="/wiki/User:Yrr933!" title="User:Yrr933!"><b><span style="color: #0092C7">Yrr933!</span></b></a><b><span style="color:#CC7722">(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yrr933!" title="User talk:Yrr933!"><b><span style="color:#CC7722">留言</span></b></a>)</span></b> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z-卡氏帶" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月17日 (六) 14:20 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z-卡氏帶"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z","author":"Yrr933!","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z-\u5361\u6c0f\u5e36","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-04-17T18:12:00.000Z-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z-卡氏帶"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-04-17T18:12:00.000Z-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Yrr933!" title="User:Yrr933!">yrr933!</a>:</span>好久不見!是的,多了蛋白二字,感謝您指出。很高興看到您又開始編輯,且正就讀微免生藥相關的科系,都十年了.....最近有打算寫作哪些條目嗎?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a><sub><a href="/wiki/Portal:%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" title="Portal:病毒">A virus is a piece of bad news wrapped in protein</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-04-17T18:12:00.000Z-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年4月17日 (六) 18:12 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-04-17T18:12:00.000Z-Yrr933!-2021-04-17T14:20:00.000Z"><span 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middle; padding: 3px;">为您对科学条目的热忱和毅力。 <span style="white-space:nowrap"><a href="/wiki/User:AnYiLin" title="User:AnYiLin"><span style="color:#eb5055"><b>安忆</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:AnYiLin" title="User talk:AnYiLin"><span style="user-select:none"><sup>Talk</sup></span></a></span> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-AnYiLin-2021-06-11T04:42:00.000Z-送您的腺嘌呤核苷三磷酸" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月11日 (五) 04:42 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AnYiLin-2021-06-11T04:42:00.000Z-送您的腺嘌呤核苷三磷酸"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-06-11T07:56:00.000Z-AnYiLin-2021-06-11T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月11日 (五) 07:56 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-06-11T07:56:00.000Z-AnYiLin-2021-06-11T04:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:HaziiDozen/沙盒/4">User:HaziiDozen/沙盒/4</a>),但不确定二名法定名人的部分是不是这么写。对条目内容我也不是很自信是否概括全面了。希望能得到帮助,如果有错误或者遗漏请告诉我或者直接修改都可以。谢谢~~~🙏🙏--<a href="/wiki/User:HaziiDozen" title="User:HaziiDozen">认为久坐对腰不好并强烈建议大家躺着编辑维基百科的HaziiDozen</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:HaziiDozen" title="User talk:HaziiDozen">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-HaziiDozen-2021-06-16T08:33:00.000Z-能否帮助改善条目吐鲁番花条蛇" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年6月16日 (三) 08:33 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HaziiDozen-2021-06-16T08:33:00.000Z-能否帮助改善条目吐鲁番花条蛇"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User:Kuon.Haku" title="User:Kuon.Haku">Kuon.Haku</a>:</span>感謝,我已略為擴充與修改,這麼重要的病毒竟然到現在才有條目。英文版說極少數案例中AAV可獨自裂解細胞,但在該條腳註中找不到,我也存疑,因此先刪掉了。另外<i>rep</i>的啟動子應該只有兩個,p40是轉錄<i>cap</i>的。近期還有什麼寫作計畫嗎?--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Labyrinthulomycetes</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a>-<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/Molecular_Biology_Sweep" title="User:靖天子/Molecular Biology Sweep">分生全掃</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-07-10T00:52:00.000Z-Kuon.Haku-2021-07-09T12:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年7月10日 (六) 00:52 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-07-10T00:52:00.000Z-Kuon.Haku-2021-07-09T12:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" 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id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-08-03T10:28:00.000Z-请问如何分辨Ganoderma_lucidum与Ganoderma_lingzhi的幼小子实体?"></span>靖天子您好!2012年的一篇文献(Cao, Y., Wu, S. H., &amp; Dai, Y. C. (2012). Species clarification of the prize medicinal Ganoderma mushroom “Lingzhi”. Fungal Diversity, 56(1), 49-62.)认为,原产于中国的灵芝与作为灵芝属模式种的亮盖灵芝( <i>Ganoderma lucidum</i> )并非同一物种,应当单独定种为<i>Ganoderma lingzhi</i> 。文章还提到<i>Ganoderma lingzhi</i> 成熟子实体的菌管口显黄色,而产自欧洲的<i>Ganoderma lucidum</i> 菌管口为白色;但是否有通过观察区分两者的幼小子实体的方法? </p><p>以及如果可以,请问您可否帮助分辨该幼小灵芝子实体属于何种(2021.6.8摄于北京大学镜春园)? </p><p>十分感谢! </p> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:8498216c046bc8c1b630fb60828efa0_(1).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/8498216c046bc8c1b630fb60828efa0_%281%29.jpg/220px-8498216c046bc8c1b630fb60828efa0_%281%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="293" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/8498216c046bc8c1b630fb60828efa0_%281%29.jpg/330px-8498216c046bc8c1b630fb60828efa0_%281%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/8498216c046bc8c1b630fb60828efa0_%281%29.jpg/440px-8498216c046bc8c1b630fb60828efa0_%281%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3072" data-file-height="4096"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-default-size mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Suspected_Ganoderma_1.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Suspected_Ganoderma_1.jpg/220px-Suspected_Ganoderma_1.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Suspected_Ganoderma_1.jpg/330px-Suspected_Ganoderma_1.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Suspected_Ganoderma_1.jpg/440px-Suspected_Ganoderma_1.jpg 2x" data-file-width="4096" data-file-height="3072"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:TheWindGrahame" title="User:TheWindGrahame">TheWindGrahame</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWindGrahame" title="User talk:TheWindGrahame">留言</a>) <a 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href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031942216300413">[62]</a>,好像都沒有提到區分幼小子實體的方法,兩者外形太接近,要成熟後才可勉強區分(菌孔顏色、形狀、子實體上有黑色條帶與否)。不過既然是在北京大學看到的,我猜是<i>G. lingzhi</i>的機率比較大?<i>G. lingzhi</i>主要分布於亞洲,<i>G. lucidum</i>主要分布於歐洲,但是中國也有<i>G. lucidum</i>(原本被歸為<i><a href="/wiki/%E6%9D%BE%E6%9D%89%E6%A0%91%E8%8A%9D" title="松杉树芝">G. tsugae</a></i>,但Cao 2012已將<i>G. tsugae</i>處理成<i>G. lucidum</i>的異名),所以不能完全肯定是<i>G. lingzhi</i>。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Mesomycetozoea</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-08-04T05:48:00.000Z-TheWindGrahame-2021-08-03T10:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月4日 (三) 05:48 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-08-04T05:48:00.000Z-TheWindGrahame-2021-08-03T10:28:00.000Z"><span 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<i>sinensis</i>(Lloyd)Kobayasi)的区分?英文Wiki那边给出的是中华散尾鬼笔“ having a head that was more angular and conical at the top”(更棱角分明,顶部显圆锥形)因为没有查到原文献(英文Wiki那边给的 Kobayasi Y. (1938). "Hymenogastrineae et Phallineae". In Nakai T, Honda M (eds.). <i>Nova Flora Japonica</i>. Tokyo, Japan: Sanseido Co. p. 52.)所以不太理解......<a href="/wiki/User:TheWindGrahame" title="User:TheWindGrahame">TheWindGrahame</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWindGrahame" title="User talk:TheWindGrahame">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-TheWindGrahame-2021-08-08T16:13:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-08-04T05:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月8日 (日) 16:13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-08-08T16:13:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-08-04T05:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fzh.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3A%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90%2F%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;rft.atitle=%E3%83%92%E3%83%A1%E3%83%8E%E3%82%AC%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E4%BA%9C%E7%9B%AE%E5%8F%8A%E3%82%B9%E3%83%84%E3%83%9D%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%82%B1%E4%BA%9C%E7%9B%AE&amp;rft.au=%E5%B0%8F%E6%9E%97%E7%BE%A9%E9%9B%84&amp;rft.btitle=%E5%A4%A7%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E6%A4%8D%E7%89%A9%E8%AA%8C&amp;rft.date=1938&amp;rft.genre=bookitem&amp;rft.place=%E6%9D%B1%E4%BA%AC&amp;rft.pub=%E4%B8%89%E7%9C%81%E5%A0%82&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook" class="Z3988"><span style="display:none;"> </span></span>)確實網路上找不到。英文版條目中引的另一個文獻Seok 2005則說<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r61209892">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{margin-top:0;overflow:hidden}.mw-parser-output .templatequote .templatequotecite{line-height:1em;text-align:left;padding-left:2em;margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .templatequote .templatequotecite cite{font-size:small}</style></li></ul> <blockquote class="templatequote"><p><i>This taxa is very similar to Lysurus mokusin Fr. f. mokusin, but different from it in having the longitudinal angular-conic top of head."</i></p></blockquote> <dl><dd>另外查到另一份中文文獻(<cite class="citation journal">图力古尔、李玉. 吉林省担子菌补记(四). 吉林农业大学学报. 2003, <b>25</b> (1): 41-44.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fzh.wikipedia.org%3AUser+talk%3A%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90%2F%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;rft.atitle=%E5%90%89%E6%9E%97%E7%9C%81%E6%8B%85%E5%AD%90%E8%8F%8C%E8%A1%A5%E8%AE%B0%28%E5%9B%9B%29&amp;rft.au=%E5%9B%BE%E5%8A%9B%E5%8F%A4%E5%B0%94%E3%80%81%E6%9D%8E%E7%8E%89&amp;rft.date=2003&amp;rft.genre=article&amp;rft.issue=1&amp;rft.jtitle=%E5%90%89%E6%9E%97%E5%86%9C%E4%B8%9A%E5%A4%A7%E5%AD%A6%E5%AD%A6%E6%8A%A5&amp;rft.pages=41-44&amp;rft.volume=25&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal" class="Z3988"><span style="display:none;"> </span></span>),其中提到<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r61209892"></dd></dl> <blockquote class="templatequote"><p>本种有时作为Lysurus mokusin (Pers.)Fr.的变型, 即Lysurus mokusin (Pers.)Fr.f. sinensis(Lioyd)Kobayasi , 与原变型L.mokusin (Pers.)Fr. f.mokusin 的区别在于后者头部的爪形托臂不结合形成尖细的咀。也有人主张将L.sinensis 合并到L.mokusin 中</p></blockquote> <dl><dd>這樣看來,兩者的差別非常微小,僅是鬼筆頂部的形狀稍有差異(「嘴」的有無),加上鬼筆分類混亂,異名極多,中华散尾鬼笔是否真為有效分類(單系群)也未可知。</dd> <dd>這篇條目的英文版質量不錯,篇幅也不長,要不要把它翻譯過來?(只有一個小問題,英文版說中國僅福建有分布,實際上中國各地均有分布,例如上述的吉林)--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Mesomycetozoea</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-08-12T02:40:00.000Z-TheWindGrahame-2021-08-03T10:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月12日 (四) 02:40 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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或许我可以尝试一下?最近总算也有些时间--<a href="/wiki/User:TheWindGrahame" title="User:TheWindGrahame">TheWindGrahame</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TheWindGrahame" title="User talk:TheWindGrahame">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-TheWindGrahame-2021-08-16T06:09:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-08-12T02:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月16日 (一) 06:09 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TheWindGrahame-2021-08-16T06:09:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-08-12T02:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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href="/wiki/User_talk:Sanmosa" title="User talk:Sanmosa">MO</a><a href="/wiki/Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Sanmosa" title="Special:用户贡献/Sanmosa">SA</a> <sub><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%8B%95%E5%93%A1%E4%BB%A4/%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E4%B9%9D%E6%AC%A1%E5%8B%95%E5%93%A1%E4%BB%A4/%E5%80%8B%E4%BA%BA%E8%B2%A2%E7%8D%BB/Sanmosa" title="Wikipedia:動員令/第十九次動員令/個人貢獻/Sanmosa">Σουέζ</a></sub> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Sanmosa-2021-08-04T08:31:00.000Z-Wikipedia:典范条目评选/提名区#紫式部" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月4日 (三) 08:31 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sanmosa-2021-08-04T08:31:00.000Z-Wikipedia:典范条目评选/提名区#紫式部"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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<p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-08-09T00:22:00.000Z-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了"></span>这个暑假里,中文版条目数量平均日增300+,另外,瑞典语版条目数量从原300多万下跌到298万了,阁下知道怎么回事吗? --<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-08-09T00:22:00.000Z-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月9日 (一) 00:22 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-08-09T00:22:00.000Z-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-08-12T03:01:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-08-09T00:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月12日 (四) 03:01 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-08-12T03:01:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-08-09T00:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-12T03:01:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-08-12T03:01:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-08-09T00:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Mesomycetozoea"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-08-12T03:01:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-08-09T00:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-08-12T05:11:00.000Z-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了"></span>在下找了<a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias/Table">这个页面</a>的编辑历史,瑞典语版是从去年年中373万开始缓慢下跌的,一年来下跌了75万多,估计是瑞典语维基人在手动提删吧;宿务语还在上升,有可能突破600万;瓦瑞语没有往下掉,不过中文版快超过他了。線上Wikimania估计参加不了,在下这里老是掉线<span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_%E5%9B%A7_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></span></span> <b>囧rz……</b>--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" title="User:Htmlzycq/2013">Html</a><a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2014" title="User:Htmlzycq/2014">zycq</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Htmlzycq" title="User talk:Htmlzycq">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Htmlzycq-2021-08-12T05:11:00.000Z-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月12日 (四) 05:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-08-12T05:11:00.000Z-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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title="User:Googol19980904">Googol19980904</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Googol19980904" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Googol19980904">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Googol19980904-2021-08-13T04:11:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-08-12T05:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年8月13日 (五) 04:11 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Googol19980904-2021-08-13T04:11:00.000Z-Htmlzycq-2021-08-12T05:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span 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class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="有关于Transposable_element的讨论" data-mw-thread-id="h-有关于Transposable_element的讨论-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了-2021-09-03T06:36:00.000Z"><span id=".E6.9C.89.E5.85.B3.E4.BA.8ETransposable_element.E7.9A.84.E8.AE.A8.E8.AE.BA"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-有关于Transposable_element的讨论-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了-2021-09-03T06:36:00.000Z"></span>有关于Transposable element的讨论<span data-mw-comment-end="h-有关于Transposable_element的讨论-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了-2021-09-03T06:36:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=47" title="编辑章节:有关于Transposable element的讨论"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-09-03T06:36:00.000Z-有关于Transposable_element的讨论"></span>见<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Evolution_and_evolvability#Transposable_element" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:Evolution and evolvability">en:User_talk:Evolution_and_evolvability#Transposable_element</a>,另外,7-8月间有英文用户创建了冠状病毒S蛋白在内的多个条目,见<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coronavirus_genomes" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Coronavirus genomes">en:Template:Coronavirus genomes</a> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping">@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>厲害,都是同一位維基人寫的,而且內容都相當豐富,SMEN這四種蛋白都挺難寫的,我僅在主條目<a href="/wiki/%E5%86%A0%E7%8B%80%E7%97%85%E6%AF%92" class="mw-redirect" title="冠狀病毒">冠狀病毒</a>中介紹(包括5'與3'UTR),我倒是曾想過寫ORF3與ORF8這兩種對冠狀病毒致病、免疫非常重要的蛋白,這兩篇目前英文版沒有,估計那位維基人很快也會寫到。</dd> <dd>但是這個模板有一個問題,nonstructural protein X在這裡看起來是指輔助蛋白(ORF1a/b與SMEN以外的其他蛋白),只列到ns8,但容易與ORF1a/b編碼的14種蛋白(也稱為ns)混淆,改稱ORFX比較妥當。可能還有因命名未統一而產生的連結問題,例如<span class="ilh-all" data-orig-title="ORF3b" data-lang-code="en" data-lang-name="英语" data-foreign-title="ORF3b"><span class="ilh-page"><a href="/w/index.php?title=ORF3b&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="ORF3b(页面不存在)">ORF3b</a></span><span class="noprint ilh-comment">(<span class="ilh-lang">英语</span><span class="ilh-colon">:</span><span class="ilh-link"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORF3b" class="extiw" title="en:ORF3b"><span lang="en" dir="auto">ORF3b</span></a></span>)</span></span>,英文版已經有條目了,模板中的nonstructural protein 3卻仍是紅字。另一點是這些輔助蛋白在不同冠狀病毒的種類與數目經常不同,不同屬冠狀病毒中名為ORF3的蛋白可能是完全不同的,可能僅能稱為ORF3b in SARS-like coronaviruses,而不能稱為Coronavirus ORF3b(但即使是SARS-like coronavirus輔助蛋白也可能有異,例如ORF8可能分成8a與8b兩個ORF,或者僅有一個完整的ORF),這裡命名不好處理,我猜那位維基人可能是因此而暫時止步於結構蛋白。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Mesomycetozoea</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a> <a 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class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="96.8%" data-mw-thread-id="h-96.8%-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了-2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z"><span id="96.8.25"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-96.8%-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了-2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z"></span>96.8%<span data-mw-comment-end="h-96.8%-中文版离越南语版条目数量差距不到5万了-2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949&amp;action=edit&amp;section=48" title="编辑章节:96.8%"><span>编辑</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z-96.8%"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq" title="User:Htmlzycq">Htmlzycq</a>:</span>剛剛一看英文版的SARS-CoV-2模板,竟發現多了個96.8%的BANAL-52(寮國發現)刷新RaTG13的紀錄,真是令人振奮啊,不知何時能看到98甚至99的問世。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Mesomycetozoea</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z-96.8%" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年10月30日 (六) 09:44 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z-96.8%"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z-96.8%","replies":[],"displayName":"Mesomycetozoea"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-10-30T09:44:00.000Z-96.8%"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Htmlzycq-2021-10-31T11:12:00.000Z-96.8%"></span>是在下根据新闻添加的,<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr>,不过似乎学界对全基因组相似度不太关心了,更关心RdRP的相似度,比如法文维基的编者已经把SARS-CoV-2树改成了基于RdRP的树。在下一直有一个想法,就是一模板多用,比如: </p><p>{{SARS-CoV-2 related coronavirus|whole}} 用于展示基于全基因组的树 </p><p>{{SARS-CoV-2 related coronavirus|Orf1ab}} 用于展示基于Orf1ab的树 </p><p>{{SARS-CoV-2 related coronavirus|RdRP}} 用于展示基于RdRP的树 </p><p>{{SARS-CoV-2 related coronavirus|Spike}} 用于展示基于S基因的树 </p><p>不过没时间做。--<a href="/wiki/User:Htmlzycq/2013" 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src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png/100px-Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png/150px-Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png/200px-Editors_Barnstar_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>编辑星章</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">感謝靖天子的勉勵和提醒,使條目「<a href="/wiki/%E7%B4%85%E6%A7%8D%E6%9C%83" title="紅槍會">紅槍會</a>」有所改善。先生的認真精神值得所有維基人效法。 <a href="/wiki/User:Banyangarden" title="User:Banyangarden">Banyangarden</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Banyangarden" title="User talk:Banyangarden">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Banyangarden-2021-09-18T06:38:00.000Z-给您一个星章!_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年9月18日 (六) 06:38 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Banyangarden-2021-09-18T06:38:00.000Z-给您一个星章!_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-18T06:38:00.000Z","author":"Banyangarden","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Banyangarden-2021-09-18T06:38:00.000Z-\u7ed9\u60a8\u4e00\u4e2a\u661f\u7ae0\uff01_2","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Banyangarden-2021-09-18T06:38:00.000Z-给您一个星章!_2"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-\u80fd\u64f4\u5145\u827e\u6069\u5b8f\u55ce?-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z-\u80fd\u64f4\u5145\u827e\u6069\u5b8f\u55ce?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;\u80fd\u64f4\u5145\u827e\u6069\u5b8f\u55ce?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;\u80fd\u64f4\u5145\u827e\u6069\u5b8f\u55ce?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://tw.appledaily.com/life/20210916/JRLJRMREDBAU3B45C2V33OZEJY/"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z-能擴充艾恩宏嗎?"></span>[63]</a>,因也與立陶宛與台灣關係有關。--<a href="/wiki/User:Outlookxp" title="User:Outlookxp">Outlookxp</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Outlookxp" title="User talk:Outlookxp">留言</a>) </p> <ul><li><span style="display:none">@<a href="/wiki/User:Outlookxp" title="User:Outlookxp">Outlookxp</a>:</span>最近比較沒力寫大的,大多寫不用研究太多就能下筆的小篇條目。而且這個主題我不太熟啊,應該是閣下所長,您來寫會比我寫精彩的多。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Mesomycetozoea</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z-能擴充艾恩宏嗎?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年9月26日 (日) 01:32 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z-能擴充艾恩宏嗎?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z-\u80fd\u64f4\u5145\u827e\u6069\u5b8f\u55ce?","replies":["c-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mesomycetozoea"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z-能擴充艾恩宏嗎?"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z"></span>那我以後寫看看。對了,你願再選管理員嗎?我目前在找人補充站務人力。—<a href="/wiki/User:Outlookxp" title="User:Outlookxp">Outlookxp</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Outlookxp" title="User talk:Outlookxp">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年9月26日 (日) 02:30 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z","author":"Outlookxp","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-09-26T01:32:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span style="display:none"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-靖天子-2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Outlookxp" title="User:Outlookxp">Outlookxp</a>:</span>管理員還是另請高明吧,兩年多前<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%94%B3%E8%AF%B7%E6%88%90%E4%B8%BA%E7%AE%A1%E7%90%86%E5%91%98/%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="Wikipedia:申请成为管理员/靖天子">被噁心過</a>不想再來一次.....我當只寫條目的<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SPA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SPA">單一用途帳號</a>就好。--<a href="/wiki/User:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User:靖天子">Mesomycetozoea</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90" title="User talk:靖天子">🧬</a> <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-靖天子-2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年9月26日 (日) 04:13 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-靖天子-2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">回复</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z","author":"\u9756\u5929\u5b50","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T04:59:00.000Z-\u9756\u5929\u5b50-2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mesomycetozoea"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T02:30:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T04:59:00.000Z-靖天子-2021-09-26T04:13:00.000Z"></span>那時蟲蟲飛說對你稱讚真好「雖然還未回答我的問題,但看到其他的回答,非常滿意。我也很欣賞候選人的品德,觀察過他幾次發言,覺得他非常善良,能同情弱小,對於被排擠、被欺壓的人,不會袖手旁觀,維基很需要這種管理員。」那我繼續找地球與MCC214。—-<a href="/wiki/User:Outlookxp" title="User:Outlookxp">Outlookxp</a>(<a 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data-mw-comment-end="c-靖天子-2021-09-26T08:35:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T04:59:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-燈火闌珊處-2021-09-27T16:06:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T04:59:00.000Z"></span>路過才發現原來靖天子曾被提名管理員,那時我大概還在冬眠沒去投票。蟲蟲飛對靖天子的評價很好、觀察入微,我也深有同感。我對社群的認識始終停留在2011年 ,那時活躍的維基人如今很多都淡出了,後進的維基人我也不大認識,靖天子應該是我認識而且佩服的維基人中,少數還在持續貢獻,並且始終友善待人的。維基之行,能認識幾個這樣的編者,也就不會覺得孤單了。<a href="/wiki/User:%E7%87%88%E7%81%AB%E9%97%8C%E7%8F%8A%E8%99%95" title="User:燈火闌珊處">燈火闌珊處</a>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E7%87%88%E7%81%AB%E9%97%8C%E7%8F%8A%E8%99%95" title="User talk:燈火闌珊處">留言</a>) <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E9%9D%96%E5%A4%A9%E5%AD%90/%E5%AD%98%E6%AA%949#c-燈火闌珊處-2021-09-27T16:06:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T04:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">2021年9月27日 (一) 16:06 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-燈火闌珊處-2021-09-27T16:06:00.000Z-Outlookxp-2021-09-26T04:59:00.000Z"><span 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