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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Turkey" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Turkey</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Turkey</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Turkey</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading1"><h1 id="Comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Comments-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Comments-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z"></span>Comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Comments-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z"></span></h1><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Comments"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z-Comments"></span>Why is Uyghur a Karluk language? Where did that classification come from anyway? Have you noticed <a href="/wiki/Karluk" class="mw-disambig" title="Karluk">Karluk</a> is about a ship????? <a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> <small>(<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Translations" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Pfctdayelise/Translations">translate?</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z-Comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z-Comments"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z-Comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Straughn-2006-08-17T13:58:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z"></span>I've always heard Uyghur & Uzbek referred to as Karluk. I know there's no entry on Karluk languages in Wikipedia, but there isn't one for any of the other groups either. Whenever those are linked, they either go to a specific language or an ethnic group. I'd be cool with changing Karluk to Eastern, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Straughn" title="User:Straughn">Straughn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Straughn-2006-08-17T13:58:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Straughn-2006-08-17T13:58:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Straughn-2006-08-17T13:58:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T12:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T15:32:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-17T13:58:00.000Z"></span>The word Karluk is not mentioned on <a href="/wiki/Uyghur_language" title="Uyghur language">Uyghur language</a>, that's all. It seems weird.</dd> <dd>I think you should link the classifications, even if they're redlinks - it will encourage them to get written.</dd> <dd>I strongly dislike the pipes (|) as separators. For one thing they look too similar to the † symbols. I think each group should start on a new line. Or if not, use something like "•" (centre dot?). Is there any reason this template has to be this width? Just make it wider... (it goes at the bottom of articles, right?) --<a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> <small>(<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Translations" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Pfctdayelise/Translations">translate?</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T15:32:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-17T13:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T15:32:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-17T13:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T15:32:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-17T13:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Straughn-2006-08-18T14:38:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T15:32:00.000Z"></span>I basically ripped this template off of the <a href="/wiki/Template:Indo-Iranian_languages" title="Template:Indo-Iranian languages">Template: Indo-Iranian languages</a>, which uses the same formatting, width, etc. I don't know how important you think consistency is, but I agree that the current template isn't too attractive or user-friendly. <a href="/wiki/User:Straughn" title="User:Straughn">Straughn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Straughn-2006-08-18T14:38:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T15:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Straughn-2006-08-18T14:38:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T15:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Straughn-2006-08-18T14:38:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-17T15:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-20T17:03:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-18T14:38:00.000Z"></span>Hm. That other one looks better over all, because it is more populated by blue links. It also doesn't have these "† Extinct | * Mixed language" markers. There's just too many different marks - four types - for such small text. I think we should improve this one so much that they also convert the other one. ;) What about using different types of differentiation, like italics or underline? <a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> <small>(<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Translations" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Pfctdayelise/Translations">translate?</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-20T17:03:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-18T14:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-20T17:03:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-18T14:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-20T17:03:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-18T14:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Straughn-2006-08-21T13:45:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-20T17:03:00.000Z"></span>How about italicizing the extinct ones and ignoring that Aini is mixed? I'll test it out. <a href="/wiki/User:Straughn" title="User:Straughn">Straughn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Straughn-2006-08-21T13:45:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-20T17:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Straughn-2006-08-21T13:45:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-20T17:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Straughn-2006-08-21T13:45:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-20T17:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-22T01:50:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-21T13:45:00.000Z"></span>Um, you still need to say what italics means. :P <a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> <small>(<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Translations" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Pfctdayelise/Translations">translate?</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-22T01:50:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-21T13:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-22T01:50:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-21T13:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-22T01:50:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-08-21T13:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Straughn-2006-08-30T17:14:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-22T01:50:00.000Z"></span>What do you think of the current note? Thanks, BTW, for all of your help with this project <a href="/wiki/User:Straughn" title="User:Straughn">Straughn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Straughn-2006-08-30T17:14:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-22T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Straughn-2006-08-30T17:14:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-22T01:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Straughn-2006-08-30T17:14:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-08-22T01:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_new_design" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_new_design-Comments-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_new_design-Comments-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z"></span>A new design<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_new_design-Comments-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: A new design"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z-A_new_design"></span>Hi, having a template for the Turkic languages is a very good idea. I propose a new design for this template and I hope you do not feel offended by this sudden change. I think the main requirements for such a template are: </p> <ol><li>It should not try to include all the details of classification (the place for the detailed classification tree should be the <a href="/wiki/Turkic_languages" title="Turkic languages">Turkic languages</a> article) and sacrifice some detail for the sake of cleanness.</li> <li>I prefer if it uses the blue color scheme widely established for templates of this type, like <a href="/wiki/Template:English_dialects_by_continent" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:English dialects by continent">Template:English dialects by continent</a>, <a href="/wiki/Template:Finno-Ugric_languages" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Finno-Ugric languages">Template:Finno-Ugric languages</a>, <a href="/wiki/Template:Romance_languages" title="Template:Romance languages">Template:Romance_languages</a>, <a href="/wiki/Template:Germanic_languages" title="Template:Germanic languages">Template:Germanic languages</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Official_EU_languages&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Official EU languages (page does not exist)">Template:Official EU languages</a> and the like. (<a href="/wiki/Template:Romance_languages" title="Template:Romance languages">Template:Romance_languages</a> is also a good example of what I mean by not trying to put the classification details into the template. I think the template should just be a navigation tool between related articles, not a full-scale classification tree.)</li> <li>The entries should be listed alphabetically whenever possible. This gives the list a neutral look and provides a certain ease for browsing entries.</li></ol> <p>Please note that I based the Turkic language groups in my edit to the current tree in the <a href="/wiki/Turkic_languages" title="Turkic languages">Turkic languages</a> article, and I realize that there are some differences in this respect with the previous template. I think it is best to stick to the classification tree and group names mentioned there, and if there are any misplacements or mistakes with the group names, these should first be discussed on the Turkic languages talk page, fixed there, and then incorporated into this template. Note: I am also adding the template to the related articles with the hope that it will get more attention and contributions. Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:AtilimGunesBaydin" title="User:AtilimGunesBaydin">Atilim Gunes Baydin</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z-A_new_design" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z-A_new_design"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z-A_new_design"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Straughn-2006-09-11T13:56:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z"></span>Your edits look great! Thanks for getting the template up. <a href="/wiki/User:Straughn" title="User:Straughn">Straughn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Straughn-2006-09-11T13:56:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Straughn-2006-09-11T13:56:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Straughn-2006-09-11T13:56:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-10T16:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-11T14:09:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-09-11T13:56:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! I'm very glad that you liked it. My regards to Chicago, IL! <a href="/wiki/User:AtilimGunesBaydin" title="User:AtilimGunesBaydin">Atilim Gunes Baydin</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-11T14:09:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-09-11T13:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-11T14:09:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-09-11T13:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-09-11T14:09:00.000Z-Straughn-2006-09-11T13:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Uighur" data-mw-thread-id="h-Uighur-Comments-2006-10-11T06:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Uighur-Comments-2006-10-11T06:59:00.000Z"></span>Uighur<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Uighur-Comments-2006-10-11T06:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Uighur"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=uig"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T06:59:00.000Z-Uighur"></span>Ethnologue</a> says it is Altaic, Turkic, Eastern. I would like to see a source for classifying it as western Turkic. :/ <a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> <small>(<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Translations" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Pfctdayelise/Translations">translate?</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T06:59:00.000Z-Uighur" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T06:59:00.000Z-Uighur"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T06:59:00.000Z-Uighur"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T07:03:00.000Z-Uighur"></span>Hahn (<i>Speaking Uyghur</i>) says: <i>Modern Uyghur is a Turkic language of the Eastern or Chaghatay branch</i> (p4). They are synonyms...? <a href="/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise" title="User:Pfctdayelise">pfctdayelise</a> <small>(<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Translations" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Pfctdayelise/Translations">translate?</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T07:03:00.000Z-Uighur" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T07:03:00.000Z-Uighur"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T07:03:00.000Z-Uighur"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-10-11T09:49:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T07:03:00.000Z"></span>Hi, the categorization in this template was directly derived from the list on the <a href="/wiki/Turkic_languages" title="Turkic languages">Turkic languages</a> article. There, the Chagatay subgroup is listed under the western branch. But obviously, that could also be wrong. If you are more knowledgeable on this, could you please fix that article and then the change could be mirrored here. I do not know whether the Ethnologue is a trustable source for classification (I guess it should be). Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:AtilimGunesBaydin" title="User:AtilimGunesBaydin">Atilim Gunes Baydin</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-10-11T09:49:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T07:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-10-11T09:49:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T07:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-10-11T09:49:00.000Z-Pfctdayelise-2006-10-11T07:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Christian_cross"_/_Dagger" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Christian_cross"_/_Dagger-Comments-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z"><span id=".22Christian_cross.22_.2F_Dagger"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Christian_cross"_/_Dagger-Comments-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z"></span>"Christian cross" / Dagger<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Christian_cross"_/_Dagger-Comments-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: "Christian cross" / Dagger"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z-"Christian_cross"_/_Dagger"></span>As the person who selected the <a href="/wiki/Asterisk" title="Asterisk">asterisk</a> for the extinct languages footnote in this template, I just want to point out that the footnote symbol used by <a href="/wiki/User:Strabismus" title="User:Strabismus">User:Strabismus</a> to replace the astreisks is not called a "Christian cross" but rather a "dagger" (please see <a href="/wiki/Dagger_(typography)" class="mw-redirect" title="Dagger (typography)">Dagger (typography)</a>). It's very common to see this footnote mark used outside religious context and I don't think it's to be identified with Christianity here. Nevertheless I decided to use the more neutral looking asterisk in its place to prevent a possible revert war because of seeing a connection between the religion of Turkic peoples and the used footnote symbols. I now see the reverting started the other way and my attempt has not been successfull. <a href="/wiki/User:AtilimGunesBaydin" title="User:AtilimGunesBaydin">Atilim Gunes Baydin</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z-"Christian_cross"_/_Dagger" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z-"Christian_cross"_/_Dagger"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z-"Christian_cross"_/_Dagger"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_Isotalo-2007-04-21T20:03:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z"></span>I don't know if it's really accurate to call languages like Ottoman Turkish extinct. They're simply an older form of an existing language, just like <a href="/wiki/Old_Norse" title="Old Norse">Old Norse</a>. It hasn't disappeared altogether, like Khazar or Pecheneg.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Peter_Isotalo" title="User:Peter Isotalo">Peter</a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_Isotalo" title="User talk:Peter Isotalo">Isotalo</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Peter_Isotalo-2007-04-21T20:03:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_Isotalo-2007-04-21T20:03:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_Isotalo-2007-04-21T20:03:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2006-12-30T12:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proto-Turkic" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proto-Turkic-Comments-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proto-Turkic-Comments-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z"></span>Proto-Turkic<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proto-Turkic-Comments-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Proto-Turkic"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sborsody-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z-Proto-Turkic"></span>I'm not sure it is a good idea to add Proto-Turkic. It gives the impression that Proto-Turkic was a real language when "proto-languages" are rather theories. It would be like addding Common Turkic to the list. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sborsody" title="User:Sborsody">Stacey Doljack Borsody</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Sborsody-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z-Proto-Turkic" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sborsody-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z-Proto-Turkic"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sborsody-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z-Proto-Turkic"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T12:12:00.000Z-Sborsody-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z"></span>I was not very sure about the linguistic validity of putting it there as an extinct member of the family. Doesn't the concept of a "language family" directly imply that, sometime in the past, there was a common ancestor to the whole family, an actual, living language which later became extinct? I don't see a link to <a href="/wiki/Proto-Germanic" class="mw-redirect" title="Proto-Germanic">Proto-Germanic</a> in <a href="/wiki/Template:Germanic_languages" title="Template:Germanic languages">Template:Germanic languages</a>, but extinct members aren't included in that template. In any case, please feel free to remove it if you think it doesn't make sense. What's Common Turkic? Kind regards, <a href="/wiki/User:AtilimGunesBaydin" title="User:AtilimGunesBaydin">Atilim Gunes Baydin</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T12:12:00.000Z-Sborsody-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T12:12:00.000Z-Sborsody-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T12:12:00.000Z-Sborsody-2007-04-27T02:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sborsody-2007-04-27T16:40:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T12:12:00.000Z"></span>Well yes and no. I found this on Wikipedia that puts the words on the idea I'm thinking about together better... <a href="/wiki/Comparative_method#Non-uniformity_of_the_proto-language" title="Comparative method">Comparative_method#Non-uniformity_of_the_proto-language</a>. We can't really say there were actual speakers of a reconstructed language. Common Turkic is a term for a proto-language which means basically z-Turkic, all the Turkic languages minus Chuvash. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sborsody" title="User:Sborsody">Stacey Doljack Borsody</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Sborsody-2007-04-27T16:40:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T12:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sborsody-2007-04-27T16:40:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T12:12:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sborsody-2007-04-27T16:40:00.000Z-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T12:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T17:53:00.000Z-Sborsody-2007-04-27T16:40:00.000Z"></span>I see, I think it's perhaps better not to have it on the list. Chuvash is really interesting by the way, and thanks for the explanation. <a href="/wiki/User:AtilimGunesBaydin" title="User:AtilimGunesBaydin">Atilim Gunes Baydin</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T17:53:00.000Z-Sborsody-2007-04-27T16:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T17:53:00.000Z-Sborsody-2007-04-27T16:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AtilimGunesBaydin-2007-04-27T17:53:00.000Z-Sborsody-2007-04-27T16:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ottoman_language_"extinct"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ottoman_language_"extinct"-Comments-2011-07-12T21:37:00.000Z"><span id="Ottoman_language_.22extinct.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ottoman_language_"extinct"-Comments-2011-07-12T21:37:00.000Z"></span>Ottoman language "extinct"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ottoman_language_"extinct"-Comments-2011-07-12T21:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Ottoman language "extinct""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-24.171.6.27-2011-07-12T21:37:00.000Z-Ottoman_language_"extinct""></span>It says Ottoman Turkish is extinct (italics), however there are still several hundred speakers of the language still alive--<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.171.6.27" title="Special:Contributions/24.171.6.27">24.171.6.27</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:24.171.6.27&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:24.171.6.27 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-24.171.6.27-2011-07-12T21:37:00.000Z-Ottoman_language_"extinct"" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-24.171.6.27-2011-07-12T21:37:00.000Z-Ottoman_language_"extinct""><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-24.171.6.27-2011-07-12T21:37:00.000Z-Ottoman_language_"extinct""></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template_edits" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template_edits-Comments-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template_edits-Comments-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z"></span>Template edits<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template_edits-Comments-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Template edits"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PK2-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z-Template_edits"></span>Can we please use the new version of this template with some edits, like in <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Turkic_languages&oldid=852424545">this revision</a> ? -- <a href="/wiki/User:PK2" title="User:PK2">PK2</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PK2" title="User talk:PK2">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-PK2-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z-Template_edits" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PK2-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z-Template_edits"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PK2-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z-Template_edits"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DA1-2018-07-30T09:23:00.000Z-PK2-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> I would disagree with changing it to this new one, because instead of making it simpler for readers navigating this actually makes it far more confusing and complicated. 1. There's way too many show/hide tabs, and 2. There's a lot of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REDLINKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REDLINKS">WP:REDLINKS</a> making them unverifiable and pointless. <a href="/wiki/User:DA1" title="User:DA1">DA1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DA1" title="User talk:DA1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-DA1-2018-07-30T09:23:00.000Z-PK2-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:23, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DA1-2018-07-30T09:23:00.000Z-PK2-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DA1-2018-07-30T09:23:00.000Z-PK2-2018-07-30T08:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Äynu_language" data-mw-thread-id="h-Äynu_language-Comments-20221103141100"><span id=".C3.84ynu_language"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Äynu_language-Comments-20221103141100"></span>Äynu language<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Äynu_language-Comments-20221103141100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Äynu language"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Straughn-20221103141100-Äynu_language"></span>Äynu has been classified as a Siberian Turkic language here, which is incorrect. I don't want to start a revert war. If you read Johanson (2001), Äynu is clearly modern Uyghur grammar with a Persian vocabulary. Tooru and the other sources I've consulted agree. I wouldn't consider Glottolog to be a very reliable source when it comes to internal classification. <a href="/wiki/User:Straughn" title="User:Straughn">Straughn</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Straughn" title="User talk:Straughn">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Turkic_languages#c-Straughn-20221103141100-Äynu_language" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Straughn-20221103141100-Äynu_language"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Straughn-20221103141100-Äynu_language"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&oldid=1237937997">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Turkic_languages&oldid=1237937997</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Turkey_pages" title="Category:Template-Class Turkey pages">Template-Class Turkey pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Turkey_pages" title="Category:NA-importance Turkey pages">NA-importance Turkey pages</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_WikiProject_Turkey_pages" title="Category:All WikiProject Turkey pages">All WikiProject Turkey pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 1 August 2024, at 07:39<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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