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For those that fall into more that one genre, this is fine, but for those that are simply either comedies or dramas, it seems redundant to add both <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1920s-drama-film-stub" title="Template:1920s-drama-film-stub">1920s-drama-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> <b>and</b> <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Silent-drama-film-stub" title="Template:Silent-drama-film-stub">silent-drama-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to the same article. I propose creating two new tags: <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1920s-silent-comedy-film-stub" title="Template:1920s-silent-comedy-film-stub">1920s-silent-comedy-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1920s-silent-drama-film-stub" title="Template:1920s-silent-drama-film-stub">1920s-silent-drama-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, along with the corresponding categories. This would still include the article in the categories of either <a href="/wiki/Category:1920s_comedy_film_stubs" title="Category:1920s comedy film stubs">Category:1920s comedy film stubs</a>/<a href="/wiki/Category:Silent_comedy_film_stubs" title="Category:Silent comedy film stubs">Category:Silent comedy film stubs</a> or <a href="/wiki/Category:1920s_drama_film_stubs" title="Category:1920s drama film stubs">Category:1920s drama film stubs</a>/<a href="/wiki/Category:Silent_drama_film_stubs" title="Category:Silent drama film stubs">Category:Silent drama film stubs</a>, but would eliminate the need for 2 comedy tags or 2 drama tags on the same article. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z-1920s_silent_film_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z-1920s_silent_film_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z-1920s_silent_film_stubs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onel5969-2015-01-07T15:10:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z"></span>AGREE</b>. I do a lot of editing in the 1920s and 1930s. I say your idea is sound. Forgive my ignorance, but if you do create those new templates, is there a bot which will update the existing templates? <a href="/wiki/User:Onel5969" title="User:Onel5969">Onel5969</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onel5969" title="User talk:Onel5969">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Onel5969-2015-01-07T15:10:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onel5969-2015-01-07T15:10:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onel5969-2015-01-07T15:10:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-07T15:25:00.000Z-Onel5969-2015-01-07T15:10:00.000Z"></span>The edits could be performed by a bot, but I would probably just update the stub tags manually using AWB. I just wanted to get a consensus first on whether they were needed, because a lot of articles will be affected. <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-01-07T15:25:00.000Z-Onel5969-2015-01-07T15:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-07T15:25:00.000Z-Onel5969-2015-01-07T15:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-07T15:25:00.000Z-Onel5969-2015-01-07T15:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T13:45:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z"></span>Sounds good to me too. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T13:45:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T13:45:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T13:45:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-06T14:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-09T20:47:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T13:45:00.000Z"></span>The tags have been created and sorted. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1920s-comedy-film-stub" title="Template:1920s-comedy-film-stub">1920s-comedy-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1920s-drama-film-stub" title="Template:1920s-drama-film-stub">1920s-drama-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> are still in use, for articles that already have a tag for country of origin, or are not silent films. Thank you both for your support! <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-01-09T20:47:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T13:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:47, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-09T20:47:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T13:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-09T20:47:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T13:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286-20231217020800-Fortdj33-2015-01-09T20:47:00.000Z"></span>Sounds logical and makes it easier to find what you’re looking for. What about documentaries? I’m interested in Robert Flaherty’s work: Man of Aran; Nanook of the North and Moana. I think Disney stole Moana <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286" title="Special:Contributions/2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286">2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286" title="User talk:2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286-20231217020800-Fortdj33-2015-01-09T20:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 17 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286-20231217020800-Fortdj33-2015-01-09T20:47:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-2603:8000:9E40:C9:A153:A83B:65D1:3286-20231217020800-Fortdj33-2015-01-09T20:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Determining_directorial_credit:_1914's_St._Elmo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Determining_directorial_credit:_1914's_St._Elmo-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"><span id="Determining_directorial_credit:_1914.27s_St._Elmo"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Determining_directorial_credit:_1914's_St._Elmo-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"></span>Determining directorial credit: 1914's St. Elmo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Determining_directorial_credit:_1914's_St._Elmo-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Determining directorial credit: 1914's St. Elmo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z-Determining_directorial_credit:_1914's_St._Elmo"></span>I've been hard at work assembling reference material to expand a bunch of silent film articles, especially Balboa and early Fox stuff. One of my first efforts has given me a ... challenge. To wit, how to credit the director for the 1914 <i><a href="/wiki/St._Elmo_(1914_film)" title="St. Elmo (1914 film)">St. Elmo</a></i>. Contemporary <i>Billboard</i> credits <a href="/wiki/Bertram_Bracken" title="Bertram Bracken">Bertram Bracken</a>, as does the 1914 <i>Who's Who in the Film World</i>. Solomon's 2011 monograph on Fox films seems to give the nod to Bracken as director, but doesn't really spend much time discussing this film (Solomon's safely canonical on most Fox material, but this isn't a Fox film). However, <i>St. Elmo</i> has long appeared in other sources as <a href="/wiki/J._Gordon_Edwards" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="J. Gordon Edwards">J. Gordon Edwards</a>'s directorial debut. That's Alan Goble's opinion, and the position of both the AFI and the Library of Congress's American Silent Feature Film Database. </p><p>So far, I've simply presented both possibilities. But, the more I reflect on this, should we consider the AFI and Library of Congress to be canonical (making note of the period sources that cite Bracken)? Or is doing so original research? Also, how do we list this credit in Edwards's <a href="/wiki/J._Gordon_Edwards_filmography" title="J. Gordon Edwards filmography">filmography</a> (currently I've gone with "maybe", but that's not exactly ideal)? <a href="/wiki/User:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User:Squeamish Ossifrage">Squeamish Ossifrage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User talk:Squeamish Ossifrage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z-Determining_directorial_credit:_1914's_St._Elmo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z-Determining_directorial_credit:_1914's_St._Elmo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z-Determining_directorial_credit:_1914's_St._Elmo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"></span>Citing both is fine, if <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> are used. Nice work in starting the article too! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T19:01:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z"></span>Any idea what to do with the entry in the filmography table? "Maybe" hardly feels like the right answer, but since RS differ, I can't very well just say "yes" unless we take AFI/LOC over contemporary sources. In any case, thanks for the kind words. Sadly, there's not too much more to add for <i>St. Elmo</i>, which is by all measures, a pretty minor piece of film history. My next one will have a lot more to say. <a href="/wiki/User:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User:Squeamish Ossifrage">Squeamish Ossifrage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User talk:Squeamish Ossifrage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T19:01:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:01, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T19:01:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T19:01:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:14:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z"></span>You could add a footnote against the entry and explain in the text that there's a question mark over who directed it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:14:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:14:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:14:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T18:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T19:15:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:14:00.000Z"></span>Currently, I've actually provided some explanation of that in the list's introductory text. Given that the uncertainty was over his directorial debut, it seemed impossible not to address the topic. Thanks though, I at least feel better that I've made the right choices now. <a href="/wiki/User:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User:Squeamish Ossifrage">Squeamish Ossifrage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User talk:Squeamish Ossifrage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T19:15:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T19:15:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T19:15:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:20:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"></span>No problem and welcome to the new project! <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:20:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:20:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-09T19:20:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-09T18:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="1910s_film_stubs" data-mw-thread-id="h-1910s_film_stubs-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1910s_film_stubs-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span>1910s film stubs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-1910s_film_stubs-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: 1910s film stubs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-1910s_film_stubs"></span>A quick catscan shows that there are about 286 articles included in <b>both</b> <a href="/wiki/Category:1910s_comedy_film_stubs" title="Category:1910s comedy film stubs">Category:1910s comedy film stubs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Short_silent_comedy_film_stubs" title="Category:Short silent comedy film stubs">Category:Short silent comedy film stubs</a>, <b>plus</b> 220 articles that are included in both <a href="/wiki/Category:1910s_drama_film_stubs" title="Category:1910s drama film stubs">Category:1910s drama film stubs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Short_silent_drama_film_stubs" title="Category:Short silent drama film stubs">Category:Short silent drama film stubs</a>! Again, I feel that it is redundant to include the same article in both categories. Since the "1910s" categories are overpopulated, are there any objections to me removing the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1910s-comedy-film-stub" title="Template:1910s-comedy-film-stub">1910s-comedy-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1910s-drama-film-stub" title="Template:1910s-drama-film-stub">1910s-drama-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> tags from those articles? <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-1910s_film_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-1910s_film_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z-1910s_film_stubs"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-12T22:11:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span>There's something to be said for having a stub-category that preserves the year range for these, though, I think. If nothing else, because research for 1910s films (especially the shorts!) is a very different beast than for later works. Perhaps the best approach is a subcategory? Something like <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:1910s-comedy-short-film-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:1910s-comedy-short-film-stub (page does not exist)">1910s-comedy-short-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? <a href="/wiki/User:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User:Squeamish Ossifrage">Squeamish Ossifrage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User talk:Squeamish Ossifrage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-12T22:11:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 12 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-12T22:11:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-12T22:11:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T00:19:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-12T22:11:00.000Z"></span>I could see the advantage of that, though the proper format would probably be <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:1910s-short-comedy-film-stub" title="Template:1910s-short-comedy-film-stub">1910s-short-comedy-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. Since all the 1910s film categories are silent anyway, the year range would take the place of the word "silent", eliminating the need for <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Short-silent-comedy-film-stub" title="Template:Short-silent-comedy-film-stub">short-silent-comedy-film-stub</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> on the same article. The corresponding category would then be a subcategory of both <a href="/wiki/Category:1910s_comedy_film_stubs" title="Category:1910s comedy film stubs">Category:1910s comedy film stubs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Short_silent_comedy_film_stubs" title="Category:Short silent comedy film stubs">Category:Short silent comedy film stubs</a>. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T00:19:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-12T22:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:19, 13 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T00:19:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-12T22:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T00:19:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-12T22:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-13T02:37:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T00:19:00.000Z"></span>I know that would be helpful for <i>me</i> once I get done with the backlog of films I've already queued up for improvement and start looking for more to work on. But I'm just one crazy editor, so the opinions of other folks working in the area (there are more of us, right?) would probably also be valuable. <a href="/wiki/User:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User:Squeamish Ossifrage">Squeamish Ossifrage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User talk:Squeamish Ossifrage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-13T02:37:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T00:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-13T02:37:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T00:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-13T02:37:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T00:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T22:35:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-13T02:37:00.000Z"></span>OK, well assuming that <a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts">Lugnuts</a> or <a href="/wiki/User:Racconish" title="User:Racconish">Racconish</a> don't have any problems with this, I'll start on updating these tags tomorrow... <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T22:35:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-13T02:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 13 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T22:35:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-13T02:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-13T22:35:00.000Z-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-13T02:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T07:59:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span>Not all Short silent drama film stubs are 1910s films and vice-versa. There is a long established stub by decade category, hence why they are included in both. There's no problem with this, unless an article is suffering from over-stubbing (3 or more stubs on a page). So I see no reason to remove one or the other stub in this case. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T07:59:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 14 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T07:59:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T07:59:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Racconish-2015-01-14T09:45:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T07:59:00.000Z"></span>Same opinion: two different aspects. <small>Or maybe I did not get it <abbr title="Winking face" style="border-bottom: none;"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/18px-Face-wink.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/27px-Face-wink.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Face-wink.svg/36px-Face-wink.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span></abbr></small>. Cheers, <span style="padding-left: 5pt; font-size: 0.9em; letter-spacing: 0.1em">— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Racconish" title="User:Racconish">Racconish</a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Racconish" title="User talk:Racconish"><sup> 📥</sup></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Racconish-2015-01-14T09:45:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T07:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Racconish-2015-01-14T09:45:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T07:59:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Racconish-2015-01-14T09:45:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T07:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-14T12:49:00.000Z-Racconish-2015-01-14T09:45:00.000Z"></span>I understand the difference, the proposal is to create a couple new subcategories and stub tags, so that the articles are still tagged as short films <b>and</b> by decade, but with only one stub tag. It wouldn't affect <i>all</i> the articles in those categories, just the ones that have both tags. The main reason to do this, is because the decade categories are overpopulated, and there's no need otherwise for the same article to be in multiple silent film stub categories. <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-01-14T12:49:00.000Z-Racconish-2015-01-14T09:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 14 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-14T12:49:00.000Z-Racconish-2015-01-14T09:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-01-14T12:49:00.000Z-Racconish-2015-01-14T09:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-14T14:04:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-14T12:49:00.000Z"></span>Right, the problem here isn't overstubbing, it's that the 1910s stub categories are enormous. The proposed stub categories would get the short films out of the huge parent stub cats and into their own box. In my opinion, that's good for everyone. It makes the category sizes more manageable all around, and it's a helpful division from an article-writer's standpoint, because a lot of the sources that could be used to expand the feature films barely touch the shorts. <a href="/wiki/User:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User:Squeamish Ossifrage">Squeamish Ossifrage</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Squeamish_Ossifrage" title="User talk:Squeamish Ossifrage">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-14T14:04:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-14T12:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:04, 14 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-14T14:04:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-14T12:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Squeamish_Ossifrage-2015-01-14T14:04:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-14T12:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T15:14:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span>I'm pretty sure no-one expands any stub based on what category it is in currently. It's all about someone having an interest in the subject matter, not the self-imposed wiki categories. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T15:14:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:14, 14 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T15:14:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-14T15:14:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-01-12T22:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="1900s_short_film_stubs" data-mw-thread-id="h-1900s_short_film_stubs-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1900s_short_film_stubs-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z"></span>1900s short film stubs<span data-mw-comment-end="h-1900s_short_film_stubs-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: 1900s short film stubs"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z-1900s_short_film_stubs"></span>For info, today I've created <a href="/wiki/Category:1900s_short_drama_film_stubs" title="Category:1900s short drama film stubs">Category:1900s short drama film stubs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:1900s_short_comedy_film_stubs" title="Category:1900s short comedy film stubs">Category:1900s short comedy film stubs</a>. There are 58 articles in the latter, with more to be added to both as I work through D. W. Griffith's filmography. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z-1900s_short_film_stubs" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z-1900s_short_film_stubs"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z-1900s_short_film_stubs"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-02-12T21:37:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z"></span>Thanks Lugnuts, I look forward to using these new stub tags! However, the new categories seem to have depleted the parent categories, to the point that they no longer meet the threshold for stub categories. Specifically, now that <a href="/wiki/Category:1900s_short_drama_film_stubs" title="Category:1900s short drama film stubs">Category:1900s short drama film stubs</a> exists, both <a href="/wiki/Category:1900s_drama_film_stubs" title="Category:1900s drama film stubs">Category:1900s drama film stubs</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Short_silent_drama_film_stubs" title="Category:Short silent drama film stubs">Category:Short silent drama film stubs</a> have less than 60 articles in them. Was it really necessary to create categories for these new 1900s stubs, or do you anticipate there eventually being enough articles to re-fill the other two categories? <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-02-12T21:37:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 12 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-02-12T21:37:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-02-12T21:37:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-12T20:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-04-21T19:20:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-02-12T21:37:00.000Z"></span>It's only been a couple months, but IMO there hasn't been a justification for those templates to have their own categories, so I have <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_21#1900s_short_film_stubs" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 April 21">nominated them for deletion</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-04-21T19:20:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-02-12T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-04-21T19:20:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-02-12T21:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-04-21T19:20:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-02-12T21:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Films_with_no_images" data-mw-thread-id="h-Films_with_no_images-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Films_with_no_images-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z"></span>Films with no images<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Films_with_no_images-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Films with no images"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Racconish-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z-Films_with_no_images"></span>Please forgive me for side-tracking : is there a category for films with no images ? I would very much appreciate for example the challenge of voiding a category such as 1915 films with no illustration. Cheers, <span style="padding-left: 5pt; font-size: 0.9em; letter-spacing: 0.1em">— <b><a href="/wiki/User:Racconish" title="User:Racconish">Racconish</a></b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Racconish" title="User talk:Racconish"><sup> 📥</sup></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Racconish-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z-Films_with_no_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Racconish-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z-Films_with_no_images"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Racconish-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z-Films_with_no_images"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-16T11:15:00.000Z-Racconish-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z"></span>There must be a way using <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CATSCAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CATSCAN">WP:CATSCAN</a> to look at <a href="/wiki/Category:Silent_films_articles_needing_an_image" title="Category:Silent films articles needing an image">Category:Silent films articles needing an image</a> and any given year, but I can't quite get the text right at the moment. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-01-16T11:15:00.000Z-Racconish-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:15, 16 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-16T11:15:00.000Z-Racconish-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-01-16T11:15:00.000Z-Racconish-2015-01-16T10:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-14T04:10:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-16T11:15:00.000Z"></span>Good luck trying to get surviving stills from many of silents which are lost. I try not to use text-only advertisements, but quite a few productions simply do not have any known surviving photos. The old Edison Trust releases should have plenty of press and images though. Thanhouser's survival alone is exceptional, but their advertising was very weak in places. <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri" title="User:ChrisGualtieri">ChrisGualtieri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGualtieri" title="User talk:ChrisGualtieri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-14T04:10:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-16T11:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 14 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-14T04:10:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-16T11:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-14T04:10:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-01-16T11:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time!" data-mw-thread-id="h-7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time!-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z"><span id="7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time!-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z"></span>7100 stubs - Article Alerts time!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time!-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: 7100 stubs - Article Alerts time!"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z-7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time!"></span>Just a question - how do we have nearly 7,100 stubs yet have less than a sixth of the total films released? From a purely tracking standpoint this seems a bit amazing, and I think we need to set up Article Alerts to better give notice to AFDs, GAs, and such. Once we start having everything organized and start really producing a lot of high quality content - I might grab the other website's crowds to chime in about Wikipedia's progress. <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri" title="User:ChrisGualtieri">ChrisGualtieri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGualtieri" title="User talk:ChrisGualtieri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z-7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z-7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time!"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z-7100_stubs_-_Article_Alerts_time!"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T10:23:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z"></span>Maybe it's the early morning fog, but I don't understand the first sentence! What do you mean by "...have less than a sixth of the total films released"? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T10:23:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T10:23:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T10:23:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T05:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T13:26:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T10:23:00.000Z"></span>I was stating that despite having 7,000+ stub articles, we still have almost five times as many uncreated articles. Which shows how daunting and how much information is missing from Wikipedia on the subject of silent films. <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri" title="User:ChrisGualtieri">ChrisGualtieri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGualtieri" title="User talk:ChrisGualtieri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T13:26:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T10:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:26, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T13:26:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T10:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T13:26:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T10:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T13:46:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T13:26:00.000Z"></span>Ah, right! When I first started editing back in 2007, I was amazed to find missing films starring Charlie Chaplin, so it's not too surprising that there are so many gaps. I keep chipping away where I can! How do you set up alerts? <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T13:46:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T13:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T13:46:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T13:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T13:46:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T13:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_alerts" title="Wikipedia:Article alerts"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T15:25:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T13:46:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia:Article alerts</a> has info - if you want to implement it for the project. Pretty easy to do. Wikipedia may have its critics, but in general Wikipedia is like less than 1% functionally complete from what it could be doing. Most of <a href="/wiki/Lon_Chaney" title="Lon Chaney">Lon Chaney</a>'s work is still incomplete and without articles, but the actors, directors, companies and such are all of very limited detail at this point. I've been able to rectify dozens of errors on certain Silent films, some of which are really bizarre in nature. Also - please avoid <b>all of Froggy's reviews</b> - I cannot stress this enough, but I know this is tangential at this point. Do not cite Froggy because of the hoaxes. <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri" title="User:ChrisGualtieri">ChrisGualtieri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGualtieri" title="User talk:ChrisGualtieri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T15:25:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T13:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T15:25:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T13:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T15:25:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-02-19T13:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fortdj33-2015-02-19T17:15:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T15:25:00.000Z"></span>Forgive my ignorance, but how would <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_alerts" title="Wikipedia:Article alerts">Wikipedia:Article alerts</a> help us add information about missing films? Doesn't it rely on articles that already exist, being tagged with banners or placed in the proper categories first? <a href="/wiki/User:Fortdj33" title="User:Fortdj33">Fortdj33</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fortdj33" title="User talk:Fortdj33">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fortdj33-2015-02-19T17:15:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T15:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fortdj33-2015-02-19T17:15:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T15:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fortdj33-2015-02-19T17:15:00.000Z-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T15:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T17:49:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-02-19T17:15:00.000Z"></span>Alerts to deletions, prods, GA, FA - that sort of thing. Sorry, I ran the two ideas together some. I was like 7000+ articles! We need alerts to help manage such a large number of articles! <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri" title="User:ChrisGualtieri">ChrisGualtieri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGualtieri" title="User talk:ChrisGualtieri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T17:49:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-02-19T17:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 19 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T17:49:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-02-19T17:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-19T17:49:00.000Z-Fortdj33-2015-02-19T17:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="London_Editathon" data-mw-thread-id="h-London_Editathon-2015-02-20T15:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-London_Editathon-2015-02-20T15:49:00.000Z"></span>London Editathon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-London_Editathon-2015-02-20T15:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: London Editathon"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fabian_Tompsett_(WMUK)-2015-02-20T15:49:00.000Z-London_Editathon"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:WikimediaUK-logo.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/WikimediaUK-logo.png/100px-WikimediaUK-logo.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="100" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/WikimediaUK-logo.png/150px-WikimediaUK-logo.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/WikimediaUK-logo.png/200px-WikimediaUK-logo.png 2x" data-file-width="500" data-file-height="499"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text"><div style="text-align: center; font-size:4em"><i><b>Editathon Invitation</b></i></div><p class="mw-empty-elt"></p> <b>Celebrating <a href="/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin" title="Charlie Chaplin">Charlie Chaplin</a>'s film <a href="/wiki/The_Tramp_(film)" title="The Tramp (film)">The Tramp</a> at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.cinemamuseum.org.uk/">London's Cinema Museum</a>, Kennington</b> <p> This is a free event, one of a series of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_run_an_edit-a-thon" title="Wikipedia:How to run an edit-a-thon">editathons</a> which <a href="https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_page" class="extiw" title="wmuk:Main page">Wikimedia UK</a> organises in conjunction with a variety of host organisations..</p><p> <b>When?</b> Saturday, 7 March 2014, 11am-4pm</p> <p> <b>Where?</b> 2 Dugard Way (off Renfrew Road) London SE11 4TH.</p><p> <b>Point of contact:</b> Fabian Tompsett (fabian.tompsett<span class="nowrap"><span class="mw-no-invert"><span class="skin-invert" typeof="mw:File"><span title="@"><img alt="@" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/15px-At_sign.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/23px-At_sign.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/At_sign.svg/30px-At_sign.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="145" data-file-height="145"/></span></span></span></span>wikimedia.org.uk) for Wikimedia UK.</p> <p><b>Further details and Registration:</b> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Education_Program:Wikimedia_UK/Cinema_Museum_2015_(Spring_2015)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Education Program:Wikimedia UK/Cinema Museum 2015 (Spring 2015) (page does not exist)">Education Program:Wikimedia UK/Cinema Museum 2015 (Spring 2015)</a></p></td></tr></tbody></table> <p>For those of you further afield who cannot make it person, it would be great to hear from you. We could also do with suggestions for other pages to be worked on which are in some way connected with <a href="/wiki/The_Tramp_(film)" title="The Tramp (film)">The Tramp</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Fabian_Tompsett_(WMUK)" title="User:Fabian Tompsett (WMUK)">Fabian Tompsett (WMUK)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fabian_Tompsett_(WMUK)" title="User talk:Fabian Tompsett (WMUK)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Fabian_Tompsett_(WMUK)-2015-02-20T15:49:00.000Z-London_Editathon" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fabian_Tompsett_(WMUK)-2015-02-20T15:49:00.000Z-London_Editathon"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fabian_Tompsett_(WMUK)-2015-02-20T15:49:00.000Z-London_Editathon"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tackling_Universal" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tackling_Universal-2015-02-26T05:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tackling_Universal-2015-02-26T05:52:00.000Z"></span>Tackling Universal<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tackling_Universal-2015-02-26T05:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Tackling Universal"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-26T05:52:00.000Z-Tackling_Universal"></span>I've been content to do the Thanhouser works, but I have most of the documents and many books related to the Universal Silents - including Braff's Universal silents, which is of great and immense help in simply figuring out "what was made". I wonder if anyone is able to drum up some complete release schedules to get a better overview of what needs to be done. Mind you, the release schedules for some have been completely messed up in publication and I spent many hours trying to dig up information on a minor company that seems never to actually have released any films in the end. This won't be an issue with the Licensed studios - so it would be best to start there. <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri" title="User:ChrisGualtieri">ChrisGualtieri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGualtieri" title="User talk:ChrisGualtieri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-26T05:52:00.000Z-Tackling_Universal" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-26T05:52:00.000Z-Tackling_Universal"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-02-26T05:52:00.000Z-Tackling_Universal"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Text_in_the_public_domain" data-mw-thread-id="h-Text_in_the_public_domain-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Text_in_the_public_domain-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z"></span>Text in the public domain<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Text_in_the_public_domain-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Text in the public domain"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z-Text_in_the_public_domain"></span>On the article <i><a href="/wiki/Bride_13" title="Bride 13">Bride 13</a></i> another editor has added a copy & paste plot from an external source. I reverted it, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYVIO" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COPYVIO">WP:COPYVIO</a>, but they state as it's from 1920, it can be posted. Any guidance on this would be helpful. Thanks. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z-Text_in_the_public_domain" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z-Text_in_the_public_domain"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z-Text_in_the_public_domain"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-03-14T02:24:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z"></span>First things first - that isn't a plot. It is the text from an advertisement. While it is actually not a copyright violation (as the text is public domain) it is something I would never use <i>as a plot</i>. And note - I use official plots on lost films to preserve the intention, nuance and style which cannot be gained and appreciated in any other fashion. Serials from that later era are typically easy to find plot summaries for.... so I think the addition of an advertisement's text was lazy, minimally useful and of rather poor taste. <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri" title="User:ChrisGualtieri">ChrisGualtieri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGualtieri" title="User talk:ChrisGualtieri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-03-14T02:24:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-03-14T02:24:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-03-14T02:24:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2015-03-11T19:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thanhouser_1910_done" data-mw-thread-id="h-Thanhouser_1910_done-2015-03-14T16:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thanhouser_1910_done-2015-03-14T16:41:00.000Z"></span>Thanhouser 1910 done<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thanhouser_1910_done-2015-03-14T16:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Thanhouser 1910 done"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-03-14T16:41:00.000Z-Thanhouser_1910_done"></span>I have completed all the articles and information on Thanhouser's 1910 productions. Most were not even given articles, but I have found and corrected a <i>lot</i> of misinformation that exists. I think I am going to start working on the main page while I proceed into 1911's works. I hope to have a good topic established in the end. Here's to the long journey ahead. <a href="/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri" title="User:ChrisGualtieri">ChrisGualtieri</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ChrisGualtieri" title="User talk:ChrisGualtieri">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-03-14T16:41:00.000Z-Thanhouser_1910_done" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 14 March 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-03-14T16:41:00.000Z-Thanhouser_1910_done"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ChrisGualtieri-2015-03-14T16:41:00.000Z-Thanhouser_1910_done"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Blackbird" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Blackbird-2015-08-16T09:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Blackbird-2015-08-16T09:01:00.000Z"></span>The Blackbird<span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Blackbird-2015-08-16T09:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: The Blackbird"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2015-08-16T09:01:00.000Z-The_Blackbird"></span>Or The Black Bird? Please see <a href="/wiki/Talk:The_Blackbird" title="Talk:The Blackbird">this discussion</a>. Thanks. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2015-08-16T09:01:00.000Z-The_Blackbird" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2015-08-16T09:01:00.000Z-The_Blackbird"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2015-08-16T09:01:00.000Z-The_Blackbird"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Silent_Era_website_no_more" data-mw-thread-id="h-Silent_Era_website_no_more-2016-05-16T07:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Silent_Era_website_no_more-2016-05-16T07:59:00.000Z"></span>Silent Era website no more<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Silent_Era_website_no_more-2016-05-16T07:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Silent Era website no more"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2016-05-16T07:59:00.000Z-Silent_Era_website_no_more"></span>Just found out that the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.silentera.com/">Silent Era</a> website is no longer live. The homepage has this message: "Silent Era has discontinued publication. We thank you for your readership and support." All the links are dead, but can be found via the web archive. Rats. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2016-05-16T07:59:00.000Z-Silent_Era_website_no_more" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2016-05-16T07:59:00.000Z-Silent_Era_website_no_more"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2016-05-16T07:59:00.000Z-Silent_Era_website_no_more"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z"><span id="Quo_Vadis_.281912_film.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)" class="mw-redirect" title="Quo Vadis (1912 film)">Quo Vadis (1912 film)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Quo Vadis (1912 film)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)" class="mw-redirect" title="Quo Vadis (1912 film)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xx236-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z-Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)"></span>Quo Vadis (1912 film)</a> should have been moved rather than copy/paste. I don't know how to solve the problem.<a href="/wiki/User:Xx236" title="User:Xx236">Xx236</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xx236" title="User talk:Xx236">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Xx236-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z-Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 23 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xx236-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z-Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xx236-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z-Quo_Vadis_(1912_film)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lugnuts-2016-06-23T09:46:00.000Z-Xx236-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z"></span>I've reverted the deletion tag on the 1912 film. The 1913 film needs to be deleted, and then the 1912 page moved. Logging this at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RM">WP:RM</a> should fix it. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Lugnuts" title="User:Lugnuts"><span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span></a></b> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lugnuts" title="User talk:Lugnuts">Dick Laurent is dead</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Lugnuts-2016-06-23T09:46:00.000Z-Xx236-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:46, 23 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lugnuts-2016-06-23T09:46:00.000Z-Xx236-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lugnuts-2016-06-23T09:46:00.000Z-Xx236-2016-06-23T09:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_to_participants_at_this_page_about_adminship" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_to_participants_at_this_page_about_adminship-2016-11-22T17:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_to_participants_at_this_page_about_adminship-2016-11-22T17:39:00.000Z"></span>Notice to participants at this page about adminship<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_to_participants_at_this_page_about_adminship-2016-11-22T17:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Notice to participants at this page about adminship"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Anna_Frodesiak-2016-11-22T17:39:00.000Z-Notice_to_participants_at_this_page_about_adminship"></span>Many participants here create a lot of content, have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the skills considered at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship</a>. </p><p>So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page: </p> <ul><li><b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Optional_RfA_candidate_poll" title="Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll">Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll</a></b></li></ul> <p>You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate. </p><p>Many thanks and best wishes, </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Anna_Frodesiak" title="User:Anna Frodesiak">Anna Frodesiak</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Anna_Frodesiak" title="User talk:Anna Frodesiak">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Anna_Frodesiak-2016-11-22T17:39:00.000Z-Notice_to_participants_at_this_page_about_adminship" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Anna_Frodesiak-2016-11-22T17:39:00.000Z-Notice_to_participants_at_this_page_about_adminship"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Anna_Frodesiak-2016-11-22T17:39:00.000Z-Notice_to_participants_at_this_page_about_adminship"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool-2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool-2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z"></span>Request for information on WP1.0 web tool<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool-2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Request for information on WP1.0 web tool"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Walkerma-2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z-Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool"></span>Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the <a href="/wiki/User:WP_1.0_bot" title="User:WP 1.0 bot">WP 1.0 Bot</a>! 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We have collected all of these questions at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScK30kJtKQ3cp-QLY1VJhB94HP2q6437Cdk3E2rVRYHowcL4A/viewform?usp=sf_link">this Google form</a> where you can leave your response. <a href="/wiki/User:Walkerma" title="User:Walkerma">Walkerma</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Walkerma" title="User talk:Walkerma">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Walkerma-2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z-Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Walkerma-2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z-Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Walkerma-2019-10-27T04:24:00.000Z-Request_for_information_on_WP1.0_web_tool"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Language=silent_in_infobox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Language=silent_in_infobox-2021-12-06T14:40:00.000Z"><span id="Language.3Dsilent_in_infobox"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Language=silent_in_infobox-2021-12-06T14:40:00.000Z"></span>Language=silent in infobox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Language=silent_in_infobox-2021-12-06T14:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Language=silent in infobox"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.204.166.188-2021-12-06T14:40:00.000Z-Language=silent_in_infobox"></span>Shouldn't the language(s) in which the <a href="/wiki/Intertitle" title="Intertitle">intertitles</a> were shown in the original release(s) be listed? I'm not saying any infobox annotation that a film is silent should be removed, as it's often the only such indication, as in <a href="/wiki/Quo_Vadis_(1913_film)" title="Quo Vadis (1913 film)">Quo Vadis (1913 film)</a>, but that the language listing in the infobox should (also?) reflect that of the intertitles. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.204.166.188" title="Special:Contributions/71.204.166.188">71.204.166.188</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.204.166.188" title="User talk:71.204.166.188">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-71.204.166.188-2021-12-06T14:40:00.000Z-Language=silent_in_infobox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.204.166.188-2021-12-06T14:40:00.000Z-Language=silent_in_infobox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.204.166.188-2021-12-06T14:40:00.000Z-Language=silent_in_infobox"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Smithsonian_article_on_the_search_for_lost_silent_films" data-mw-thread-id="h-Smithsonian_article_on_the_search_for_lost_silent_films-2022-01-25T21:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Smithsonian_article_on_the_search_for_lost_silent_films-2022-01-25T21:55:00.000Z"></span>Smithsonian article on the search for lost silent films<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Smithsonian_article_on_the_search_for_lost_silent_films-2022-01-25T21:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Smithsonian article on the search for lost silent films"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peaceray-2022-01-25T21:55:00.000Z-Smithsonian_article_on_the_search_for_lost_silent_films"></span>I am posting this as of interest to this task force. There may be some cite-able information it it. </p> <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon 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.citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite class="citation journal cs1">Kramer, Fritzi (2019-01-09). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-we-need-keep-searching-lost-silent-films-180971196/">"Why We Need to Keep Searching for Lost Silent Films"</a>. <i>Smithsonian Magazine</i>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.jtitle=Smithsonian+Magazine&rft.atitle=Why+We+Need+to+Keep+Searching+for+Lost+Silent+Films&rft.date=2019-01-09&rft.aulast=Kramer&rft.aufirst=Fritzi&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smithsonianmag.com%2Fhistory%2Fwhy-we-need-keep-searching-lost-silent-films-180971196%2F&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AWikipedia+talk%3AWikiProject+Film%2FSilent+films+task+force" class="Z3988"></span></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Peaceray" title="User:Peaceray">Peaceray</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peaceray" title="User talk:Peaceray">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-Peaceray-2022-01-25T21:55:00.000Z-Smithsonian_article_on_the_search_for_lost_silent_films" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 25 January 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peaceray-2022-01-25T21:55:00.000Z-Smithsonian_article_on_the_search_for_lost_silent_films"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peaceray-2022-01-25T21:55:00.000Z-Smithsonian_article_on_the_search_for_lost_silent_films"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="1913_"The_Vampire"_confirmed_to_not_be_lost." data-mw-thread-id="h-1913_"The_Vampire"_confirmed_to_not_be_lost.-20230502213800"><span id="1913_.22The_Vampire.22_confirmed_to_not_be_lost."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-1913_"The_Vampire"_confirmed_to_not_be_lost.-20230502213800"></span>1913 "The Vampire" confirmed to not be lost.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-1913_"The_Vampire"_confirmed_to_not_be_lost.-20230502213800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: 1913 "The Vampire" confirmed to not be lost."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-108.249.173.121-20230502213800-1913_"The_Vampire"_confirmed_to_not_be_lost."></span>Added this to the talk page of the movie. Basically the Wikipedia article said it wasn't lost, but the citation to the Silentera.com that said so didn't have concrete evidence of this. Other sites said the film was lost. Nitrateville.com has a few posts about the movie having been lost due to film degradation. I also found a few other conflicting sources on this film, and wasn't able to locate a copy online. 30ish people claimed to have watched it on Letterboxd, and so I sent out a few emails, I've added the responses below. The first reel of the film exists in the Library of Congress. The Eastman museum was able to preserve the film in the 1990s (all news of this has since faded from the internet due to it being in the 1990s). I'm not sure how to cite these emails but I think they offer better proof of the film not being lost, and will put this debate to rest. Additionally, I'm inquiring about obtaining a digital copy, or having one made, and if so I'll post the film into the commons as well. </p><p>Emails: LoC <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025136932172337192/1103057085031256074/image.png?width=1408&height=379">https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025136932172337192/1103057085031256074/image.png?width=1408&height=379</a> Eastman Museum: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025136932172337192/1103057145550876772/Screenshot_20230502-145236_Gmail.png">https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025136932172337192/1103057145550876772/Screenshot_20230502-145236_Gmail.png</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.249.173.121" title="Special:Contributions/108.249.173.121">108.249.173.121</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:108.249.173.121" title="User talk:108.249.173.121">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force#c-108.249.173.121-20230502213800-1913_"The_Vampire"_confirmed_to_not_be_lost." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-108.249.173.121-20230502213800-1913_"The_Vampire"_confirmed_to_not_be_lost."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-108.249.173.121-20230502213800-1913_"The_Vampire"_confirmed_to_not_be_lost."></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=desktop" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&oldid=1238755676">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Silent_films_task_force&oldid=1238755676</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_film_articles" title="Category:Project-Class film articles">Project-Class film articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Project-Class_Silent_films_articles" title="Category:Project-Class Silent films articles">Project-Class Silent films articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Silent_films_task_force_articles" title="Category:Silent films task force articles">Silent films task force articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Film_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Film articles">WikiProject Film articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 5 August 2024, at 14:29<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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