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href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_79" title="User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 79">Archive 79</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_80" title="User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 80">Archive 80</a></td><td><span style="font-size:115%;"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Archive 81</a></span></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_82" title="User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 82">Archive 82</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_83" title="User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 83">Archive 83</a></td><td>→</td><td><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_85" title="User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 85">Archive 85</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Heathcote_Williams" data-mw-thread-id="h-Heathcote_Williams-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Heathcote_Williams-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Heathcote_Williams" title="Heathcote Williams">Heathcote Williams</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Heathcote_Williams-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z-Heathcote_Williams"></span>Changing IP repeatedly removing sourced content. May require protection? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z-Heathcote_Williams" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z-Heathcote_Williams"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z-Heathcote_Williams"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span>What is this, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:RFPP2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:RFPP2 (page does not exist)">WP:RFPP2</a>? There's only one edit today, and one could make the argument they are adhering to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:3RRBLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:3RRBLP">WP:3RRBLP</a> and protecting the children's right to privacy. Perhaps. Anyway, one to watch for the minute. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:16:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z"></span>I've counted three reverts so far over the past few days. No explanation in edit summaries. But you're right that children do not need to be named if not notable. I was more concerned with the wholesale removal of the only source there. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:16:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:16:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:16:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:16:00.000Z"></span>Understood; however if the edit war is slow-burning it generally requires a higher level of disruption before administrator action is taken. If you trimmed out the children but left the source, maybe the reverting would stop. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:34:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z"></span>No worries. I'll do that, thanks. The previous source, which I replaced, was our favourite <i>Daily Mail</i>. As his son Charlie was named I figured the daughters should be also. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:34:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:34:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:34:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:05:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:34:00.000Z"></span>Cool. And now Ritchie333's talk page will explode. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:05:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:05:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:05:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T13:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <center><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Explosions.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Explosions.jpg/200px-Explosions.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="150" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Explosions.jpg/300px-Explosions.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Explosions.jpg/400px-Explosions.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1024" data-file-height="768"/></a></span></center> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Salt_Jaiden_Animations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Salt_Jaiden_Animations-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Salt_Jaiden_Animations-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z"></span>Salt <a href="/wiki/Jaiden_Animations" title="Jaiden Animations">Jaiden Animations</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Salt_Jaiden_Animations-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tyw7-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z-Salt_Jaiden_Animations"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:RECALLED_%E2%80%93_Peanuts,_Peanut_Butter_(8103729675).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/RECALLED_%E2%80%93_Peanuts%2C_Peanut_Butter_%288103729675%29.jpg/220px-RECALLED_%E2%80%93_Peanuts%2C_Peanut_Butter_%288103729675%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/RECALLED_%E2%80%93_Peanuts%2C_Peanut_Butter_%288103729675%29.jpg/330px-RECALLED_%E2%80%93_Peanuts%2C_Peanut_Butter_%288103729675%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/RECALLED_%E2%80%93_Peanuts%2C_Peanut_Butter_%288103729675%29.jpg/440px-RECALLED_%E2%80%93_Peanuts%2C_Peanut_Butter_%288103729675%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="640" data-file-height="480"/></a><figcaption>Salted</figcaption></figure> <p>Hiya. Can you also salt <a href="/wiki/Jaiden_Animations" title="Jaiden Animations">Jaiden Animations</a> as it's been repeatedly re-created. --<a href="/wiki/User:Tyw7" title="User:Tyw7"><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href="/wiki/User:Tyw7/t" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Tyw7/t">🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notifications#Alerts" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Notifications">ping me</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Tyw7-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z-Salt_Jaiden_Animations" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tyw7-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z-Salt_Jaiden_Animations"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tyw7-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z-Salt_Jaiden_Animations"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-08-28T17:10:00.000Z-Tyw7-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z"></span>Done <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-08-28T17:10:00.000Z-Tyw7-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:10, 28 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-08-28T17:10:00.000Z-Tyw7-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-08-28T17:10:00.000Z-Tyw7-2018-08-28T17:06:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T14:56:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-08-28T17:10:00.000Z"></span>Hey Ritchie, I am looking to close <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Jaiden_Animations" title="Wikipedia:Requests for page protection">this discussion at RFPP</a> and wanted to check with you whether you had a strong preference as to whether you wanted to downgrade the page to ECP. I honestly don't think it will make a big difference in the long run but just wanted to check in with you. If you have no preference, I'll go ahead and downgrade to ECP. Best, <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T14:56:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-08-28T17:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T14:56:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-08-28T17:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T14:56:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-08-28T17:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T14:58:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T14:56:00.000Z"></span>You can downgrade it to ECP if you like; I became an admin before ECP existed and before it became standard practice (and not Arbcom required) so I guess I just need to bone up on current practices. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T14:58:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T14:58:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T14:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T14:58:00.000Z-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T14:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T15:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T14:58:00.000Z"></span>Cool, done. And yea, I wasn't aware that this was SOP until a few days ago either. <a href="/wiki/User:Airplaneman" title="User:Airplaneman"><span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Airplaneman" title="User talk:Airplaneman"><span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ✈</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T15:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T14:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T15:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T14:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Airplaneman-2018-09-04T15:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T14:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"></span>File:2 up 2 down with central staircase.gif listed for discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span><figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:2up_2Down_perp_stairwell_19th_century_standards.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/69/2up_2Down_perp_stairwell_19th_century_standards.png/500px-2up_2Down_perp_stairwell_19th_century_standards.png" decoding="async" width="500" height="324" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/69/2up_2Down_perp_stairwell_19th_century_standards.png/750px-2up_2Down_perp_stairwell_19th_century_standards.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/69/2up_2Down_perp_stairwell_19th_century_standards.png/1000px-2up_2Down_perp_stairwell_19th_century_standards.png 2x" data-file-width="2550" data-file-height="1650"/></a><figcaption>It took me <s>less than</s> slightly over an hour. While I was distracted. Without my usual Acad workspace, and with none of my usual custom scripting.</figcaption></figure> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/30px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/45px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/60px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p> A file that you uploaded or altered, <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:2 up 2 down with central staircase.gif (page does not exist)">File:2 up 2 down with central staircase.gif</a>, has been listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Files for discussion">Wikipedia:Files for discussion</a>. Please see the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_September_3#File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif" title="Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 September 3"><b>discussion</b></a> to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:B" title="User:B">B</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:B" title="User talk:B">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:23:00.000Z-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"></span>Any chance of leaving a personalised message here next time? Say, <a href="/wiki/User:MjolnirPants" title="User:MjolnirPants">MjolnirPants</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">GreenMeansGo</a>, I can knock up my own line drawing in AutoCAD (if I can work out where my copy at work has gone) unless one of you has got time to have a go at it? <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:23:00.000Z-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:23:00.000Z-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:23:00.000Z-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-03T19:28:00.000Z-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"></span>I've saved a copy in case it gets deleted. I could whip one up in Acad that would use the same basic floorplan but obviously be a new work. Gimme a few days. <span class="texhtml" style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MjolnirPants" title="User:MjolnirPants"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MjolnirPants" title="User talk:MjolnirPants"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-03T19:28:00.000Z-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-03T19:28:00.000Z-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-03T19:28:00.000Z-B-2018-09-03T19:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:38:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-03T19:28:00.000Z"></span>Cheers <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:38:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-03T19:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:38:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-03T19:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:38:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-03T19:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T01:28:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:38:00.000Z"></span>Here you go. <span class="texhtml" style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MjolnirPants" title="User:MjolnirPants"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MjolnirPants" title="User talk:MjolnirPants"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T01:28:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T01:28:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T01:28:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-03T19:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cullen328-2018-09-04T02:08:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T01:28:00.000Z"></span>Does that little house really have two kitchens and no bathroom? <a href="/wiki/User:Cullen328" title="User:Cullen328"><b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cullen328" title="User talk:Cullen328"><span style="color:#00F"><i>Let's discuss it</i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Cullen328-2018-09-04T02:08:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T01:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cullen328-2018-09-04T02:08:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T01:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cullen328-2018-09-04T02:08:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T01:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:11:00.000Z-Cullen328-2018-09-04T02:08:00.000Z"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Lavatory" class="mw-disambig" title="Lavatory">Lavatory</a> opens to the "Kitchen" without any features in it. Which should be the "Yard" and will be in a moment. <span class="texhtml" style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MjolnirPants" title="User:MjolnirPants"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MjolnirPants" title="User talk:MjolnirPants"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:11:00.000Z-Cullen328-2018-09-04T02:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:11:00.000Z-Cullen328-2018-09-04T02:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:11:00.000Z-Cullen328-2018-09-04T02:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T02:30:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:11:00.000Z"></span>Sorry Ritchie. Sorry MP. The UK is dumb. I agree that no one with any common sense would create or approve of UK copyright law wrt TOO. But the courts <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com/2011/08/02/uk-future-v-edge-court-chancery-division/">literally ruled</a> that <a href="/wiki/File:EDGE_magazine_(logo).svg" title="File:EDGE magazine (logo).svg">this image</a> was copyrightable. It's really hard to draw any line that's lower than that. It's hard to see that as anything but vested interests protecting the intellectual property of...<i>four letters</i>. But stupid gonna stupid. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T02:30:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T02:30:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T02:30:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T02:30:00.000Z"></span>Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't WMF abide by US copyright law? That's where their headquarters and (primary, at least; I don't know what kind of cloud serving en.wp does) server are. In any case, it's a bit of a moot point now unless there's some problem with my newer one that the older one solves.<span class="texhtml" style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MjolnirPants" title="User:MjolnirPants"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MjolnirPants" title="User talk:MjolnirPants"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T02:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T02:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T02:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:40:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z"></span>You are correct; that's why I haven't uploaded my rock rearrangement of "<a href="/wiki/Bol%C3%A9ro" title="Boléro">Boléro</a>" as it's still in copyright in the US for a few years. Anyway, just to nitpick a little bit - the yard should probably be marked as a thinner line as that would be a fence, not a wall. And there shouldn't be any windows on the sides, as you wouldn't get that in a mid-terrace, though it might appear on a corner house on the end (where you might typically find a shop, as made memorable in <i><a href="/wiki/Open_All_Hours" title="Open All Hours">Open All Hours</a></i>). Anyway, Mr Pants you are a gentlemen and a scholar and I tip my hat off to you for doing this. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:40:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:40:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:40:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:40:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small>I presumed the example was an "end cap" for the sake of "that fireplace really needs some framing windows or my inner architect will strangle me". The placement of the fireplace in the original file suggested the same. But I can remove them if you really like, and swap out the North-facing elevation for a pair of East/West facing ones. I decided that, since I'm doing it, I'd go ahead and make something that <i>could</i> be copyrighted.</dd> <dd>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the fence around the yard would very likely be a low stone wall, correct? If not, then what kind of fence? Wrought iron seems a bit extravagant for what this is, but then cheap wrought iron was once a thing, so I'm not sure. I mention that because wrought iron would look fucking <i>epic</i> on that yard, and for no other particular reason.</dd> <dd>For the record, now that I've started, I'll likely end up drawing the whole row just because I enjoy that sort of work. If you like, I can upload it all when I'm done. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:44:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z"></span>Well a better idea would be to keep that one as an end of terrace, and then create a mid-terrace duplicate. No reason we can't have both. As for stone walls vs fences, right I see where you're coming from, I did a google image search for "terraced house yard" and got a mix of walls against fences. Horses for courses, I guess. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:44:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:44:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:44:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:44:00.000Z"></span>That's what I was thinking. I'd do a more or less mirror image for the north end unit, although I'm thinking I might put a shop in there as you mentioned earlier, then use backing side stairs and backing fireplaces on the internal units. Then publish the whole thing as a series of PNG's, maybe put a PDF collection somewhere. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:25:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z"></span>Ugh. Yes. Sorry. Full disclosure, we've been <i>sick</i> sick all weekend. Like laying in bed and playing <a href="/wiki/Detroit:_Become_Human" title="Detroit: Become Human">Detroit: Become Human</a> twice through in between coughing fits. So not exactly running on all cylinders here. En.wiki and Commons are hosted in the US. I'm not sure all projects are. I can't swear to it, but I remember thinking that fr.wiki or de.wiki or something was hosted locally. Not that that matters.</dd> <dd>If it was clearly below TOO in the US, then we could host it locally with nocommons until the public domain date if we knew it. Not meeting TOO for the UK means it's a no-go for Commons, because home-country plus host-country. But I'm not super warm and fuzzy saying that it is below US TOO. Maybe if you could show that this was a standardized floor plan. So...if there were 100,000 homes built to this exact specification 100 years ago. Then the plan itself could be shown to be PD, and the representation of it would arguably involve minimal original creativity, and thus TOO.</dd> <dd>Obviously the new image is better in pretty much every way. The image is however, even more visually complicated than the original. So in this case, I think it's probably better to go with a CC BY SA license (which we can easily do), and that way we end-run any potential future discussions by unequivocally licensing it freely, rather than trying to argue TOO when we don't have to. Maybe that discussion doesn't happen for another 20 years, but there's no reason for it to happen ever. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:25:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:25:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:25:00.000Z-MjolnirPants-2018-09-04T02:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:25:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo">GreenMeansGo</a>:</span> The new image is just about the bare minimum I would consider copyrightable. There's some minor creative elements in the compass decorative knots, and the "scroll" border. Even then, the layout of the rooms (while contributing to the overall work) would probably not be copyrightable, in and of itself. Consider: a straircase in the middle divides each level into two rooms. That's it. The exact width of the staircase is up for grabs, but other than that, it's all mechanical. A computer could design this floor plan from a footprint and the description I just gave. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:48:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z"></span>I suspect the Mjolnir + Pants logo might want to be copyrightable. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:48:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:48:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T12:48:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z"></span>Yet still, if you can explicitly license something freely, you should, rather than relying on a legal standard that itself may change. Consider that some time in the next 50 years the US changes its legal standard to sweat-of-the-brow because...I dunno...if we're being honest, probably because Disney parked six truck loads of <s>free speech</s> cold hard cash in front of the Capitol building. Now your image isn't free any more, even though your explicit intention was to create a free image, but you neglected to use the right template, and some poor admin in 2041 has to delete it. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:02:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z"></span>Let's not forget the orange goon in office that is a total loose cannon and, if he could, would probably turn around and make all copyright last indefinitely (unless it was created by Mexicans, Muslims, North Koreans, transgenders, climate change supporters and people with the surname "Clinton", in which case it would be PD). <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:02:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:02:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:02:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T12:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T13:11:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:02:00.000Z"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">climate change supporters</q>...I just imagine angry people with signs protesting the EPA yelling "Yeah! Screw Tuvalu! That's what they get for being a low lying island nation! More climate change!" <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T13:11:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T13:11:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T13:11:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T13:11:00.000Z"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I suspect the Mjolnir + Pants logo might want to be copyrightable.</q>Naah. The runes are just elder furthark, and the hammer is taken from <a href="/wiki/File:Mjollnir.png" title="File:Mjollnir.png">File:Mjollnir.png</a> which is PD.</dd> <dd><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Yet still, if you can explicitly license something freely, you should, rather than relying on a legal standard that itself may change.</q>I tend to agree. This is one of the reasons why I release my own work into the public domain when I upload it here. Sure, the CC-by-SA is good enough, but under that license, the creator <i>still</i> owns the copyright, and might not consider the tiny text "courtesy of Wikipedia" at the bottom of your page to be sufficient attribution and sue. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T13:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T13:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T13:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T14:16:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z"></span>My understanding is that the attribution bit is a pretty low bar. Re: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CC_BY-SA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CC BY-SA">The credit required by this Section 4(c) may be implemented in any reasonable manner</a>, and the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Drauglis_v._Kappa_Map_Group,_LLC">standard so far upheld by the courts</a> to define "reasonable" is whether it was attributed in a manner consistent with the use of other similar works. But there's not a huge body of case law there AFAIK, and there are lots of people (myself included) who wish more people would lawyer up and sue over it, so we had more available precedent. <a href="/wiki/User:GreenMeansGo" title="User:GreenMeansGo"><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:GreenMeansGo#top" title="User talk:GreenMeansGo"><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T14:16:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T14:16:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GreenMeansGo-2018-09-04T14:16:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:49:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span>"<span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Does that little house really have two kitchens and no bathroom?</span>" There's only one kitchen, but yes, in 1900 a typical working-class terrace house had one cold tap, an outside toilet was luxury, for more basic places you made do with an outhouse that got "empties" collected by a horse and cart (that's why there's always a connecting lane at the back of the houses), and no bathroom (you put a tin bath in the lounge, and filled it with pots of water heated on a coal fire). All outlawed by the 1950s after way too many <a href="/wiki/Cholera" title="Cholera">cholera</a>-related deaths. If you look at a run of old terraced houses, (<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.google.com/maps/@51.150797,0.8698762,3a,75y,0.61h,81.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sirchJ9P8PWUmIpC7gCTGzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">random example</a>) every one has had a bathroom retro-fitted on the back (houses are now legally required to have a bathroom, but the law doesn't say how it should be designed). So yes, Americans, downstairs bathrooms are far more common over here than you may think. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:49:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:49:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:49:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:49:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_conflict" title="Help:Edit conflict">edit conflict</a>)</small><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">...downstairs bathrooms...</q> <shudders> And they say you Brits are the civilized ones... I refuse to take more than 5 steps (with no more than 1 of them being up or down) from my bed before I expect to find a toilet in front of me. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T12:42:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T09:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:30:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Honorary_Citizenship_of_Zoagli_to_Greg_Lake_Marble_Plaque.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Honorary_Citizenship_of_Zoagli_to_Greg_Lake_Marble_Plaque.jpg/220px-Honorary_Citizenship_of_Zoagli_to_Greg_Lake_Marble_Plaque.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="165" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Honorary_Citizenship_of_Zoagli_to_Greg_Lake_Marble_Plaque.jpg/330px-Honorary_Citizenship_of_Zoagli_to_Greg_Lake_Marble_Plaque.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Honorary_Citizenship_of_Zoagli_to_Greg_Lake_Marble_Plaque.jpg/440px-Honorary_Citizenship_of_Zoagli_to_Greg_Lake_Marble_Plaque.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1500" data-file-height="1125"/></a><figcaption>"We were evicted from our hole in a ground. We had to go live in a <a href="/wiki/Greg_Lake" title="Greg Lake">lake</a>!"</figcaption></figure> <dl><dd><ul><li><s>"Two kitchens and no bathroom?? You were <a href="/wiki/Four_Yorkshiremen_sketch" class="mw-redirect" title="Four Yorkshiremen sketch">bloody lucky!"</a>....</s> <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:30:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a> <small>Adjusted prejudicial <a href="/wiki/It%27s_Grim_Up_North" title="It's Grim Up North">Northernist</a> joke to comply with one-nation post Brexit agenda....<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:30:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:30:00.000Z-File:2_up_2_down_with_central_staircase.gif_listed_for_discussion"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:30:00.000Z"></span>I use to live in a 3-up 3-down terrace with back bathroom extension; seriously, going from my room, across the landing, downstairs, through the dining room and kitchen in order to take a piss at 3am was not that big a deal. If you were lucky, there would be something in the fridge you could snaffle on the way back up again. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:00, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-04T12:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:00:00.000Z"></span>Knowing me, I'd grab a beer. Then make the trip again in ten minutes... <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:17:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:29:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:17:00.000Z"></span>Ten minutes</i>? I don't know if you've ever been to <a href="/wiki/Clacket_Lane_services" title="Clacket Lane services">Clacket Lane services</a> on the <a href="/wiki/M25_motorway" title="M25 motorway">M25</a> (it's not exactly somewhere you'd <i>want</i> to go, I admit), but the gents are full of adverts for incontinence and erectile dysfunction. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:29:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:29:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:17:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:29:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T13:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:29:00.000Z"></span>Never been, but it sounds like many a truck stop in my neck of the woods. I do have to say though, the ten minutes thing is fairly typical for someone like me, who is of the opinion that "a" beer is generally served in 4-6 individual bottles. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T13:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:00:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:12:00.000Z"></span>There's only one way to drink beer - in a pub, served draught, in a pint glass. (Unless you're <a href="/wiki/User:Serial_Number_54129" title="User:Serial Number 54129">Serial Number 54129</a> who drinks in stereo). Everything else is .... meh. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:00:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:00:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:00:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T14:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T16:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:00:00.000Z"></span>You can drink ale that way, too. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T16:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T16:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T16:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Umm..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Umm...-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Umm...-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z"></span>Umm...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Umm...-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z-Umm..."></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Godiva_statue_Broadgate_Oct_2011.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Godiva_statue_Broadgate_Oct_2011.jpg/170px-Godiva_statue_Broadgate_Oct_2011.jpg" decoding="async" width="170" height="302" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Godiva_statue_Broadgate_Oct_2011.jpg/255px-Godiva_statue_Broadgate_Oct_2011.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Godiva_statue_Broadgate_Oct_2011.jpg/340px-Godiva_statue_Broadgate_Oct_2011.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2304" data-file-height="4096"/></a><figcaption>"I'm pretty sure that women who like to publicly exhibit themselves in a state of undress can become popular without needing self-promotion."</figcaption></figure> <p>I am inclined to ask as to how <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rozlyn_Khan" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rozlyn Khan">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rozlyn Khan</a> was a NC? Post the relist by V93, both me and Saqib agreed that the coverage was not sufficient to muster passage of GNG/NACTOR.So, I'm a bit perplexed......<a href="/wiki/User:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User:Winged Blades of Godric"><span style="color: red">∯</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User talk:Winged Blades of Godric"><sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z-Umm..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z-Umm..."></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z-Umm..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:09:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z"></span>Simply put, your arguments were weak. "Typical gossip-style-coverage" doesn't really tell us much except your opinion on the article, which is mostly covered by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RUBBISH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RUBBISH">WP:RUBBISH</a>. As the AfD had already been relisted three times, and nobody had really successfully challenged <a href="/wiki/User:Oakshade" title="User:Oakshade">Oakshade</a>'s argument to keep, which I thought was the best and most comprehensive contribution to the debate, I concluded we'd run out of time to get a good challenge on that, and thus a no consensus was appropriate, in my view. Remember that AfD is about the <i>quality</i> of the arguments, not just counting heads! You can always start another AfD later if you don't think the article has improved sufficiently; but I'd recommend waiting a while first. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:09:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:09:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:09:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T15:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T16:36:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:09:00.000Z"></span>Umm.....<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Typical gossip-style-coverage</q> is about the quality of <i>sourcing</i>, (as argued by GSS and Sakib).So, WP:RUBBISH is a non-starter.(I agree with that and seldom mention it as a stand-alone deletion-reason, ever),And, I regret for not making myself clear-enough.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>One of the sources by Oakshade at SpotBoye fails RS.In general, the entertainment sections of TOI, Amarujala et al are heavily un-reliable and mostly a variety of gossip-blog.See <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sitush/Archive_28#Ha!" title="User talk:Sitush/Archive 28">this</a> and <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93/Archive_22#Curious" title="User talk:Vanamonde93/Archive 22">this</a> for some example stuff, they are into.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>As Saqib and GSS can attest, paid-promotion is too rampant in these circles. We had a case where an article creator of a subject (which was borderline A7) was sent to AfD and there was a near-vacuum of sourcing.Out of nowhere, he brought a TOI piece, published in the midst of the AFD and painted the subject, in the choosiest of epithets.<small>{{U|GSS}, can you link the AfD, please?</small><a href="/wiki/User:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User:Winged Blades of Godric"><span style="color: red">∯</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User talk:Winged Blades of Godric"><sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T16:36:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T16:36:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T16:36:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T16:42:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T16:36:00.000Z"></span>The whole article reminds me of <a href="/wiki/Micaela_Sch%C3%A4fer" title="Micaela Schäfer">Micaela Schäfer</a>, which I unilaterally deleted as a total and utter BLP violating mess, but which was subsequently restored and cleaned up. I don't think it's a paid-editing piece (or if it was, it had been cleaned up by time the AfD was due to close), and I'm pretty sure that women who like to publicly exhibit themselves in a state of undress can become popular without needing self-promotion. I'll have a look at sources later and see what I can do about improving it. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T16:42:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T16:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T16:42:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T16:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T16:42:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T16:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T17:03:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T16:42:00.000Z"></span>Feel free to take a look:-) And I am not commenting about UPE (neither I have viewed the older revisions) but rather that much of the entertainment-related-coverage in certain media-units is in exchange of payments.But, then I agree as to the case of not needing any self promotion! <a href="/wiki/User:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User:Winged Blades of Godric"><span style="color: red">∯</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User talk:Winged Blades of Godric"><sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T17:03:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T16:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T17:03:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T16:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-04T17:03:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T16:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_(album)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_(album)-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z"><span id="Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_.28album.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_(album)-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z"></span>Your <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_articles" title="Wikipedia:Good articles">GA</a> nomination of <a href="/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_(album)" title="Led Zeppelin (album)">Led Zeppelin (album)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_(album)-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-FunkMonk-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z-Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_(album)"></span>The article <a href="/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_(album)" title="Led Zeppelin (album)">Led Zeppelin (album)</a> you nominated as a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations" title="Wikipedia:Good article nominations">good article</a> has passed <span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_support_vote.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/20px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="21" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/30px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Symbol_support_vote.svg/40px-Symbol_support_vote.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span>; see <a href="/wiki/Talk:Led_Zeppelin_(album)" title="Talk:Led Zeppelin (album)">Talk:Led Zeppelin (album)</a> for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#To_nominate_an_article" title="Template talk:Did you know">nominate it</a> to appear in Did you know. <small>Message delivered by <a href="/wiki/User:Legobot" title="User:Legobot">Legobot</a>, on behalf of <a href="/wiki/User:FunkMonk" title="User:FunkMonk">FunkMonk</a></small> -- <a href="/wiki/User:FunkMonk" title="User:FunkMonk">FunkMonk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:FunkMonk" title="User talk:FunkMonk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-FunkMonk-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z-Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_(album)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-FunkMonk-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z-Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_(album)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-FunkMonk-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z-Your_GA_nomination_of_Led_Zeppelin_(album)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T22:03:00.000Z-FunkMonk-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z"></span>Who's for ... that the first pressing of <a href="/wiki/Led_Zeppelin" title="Led Zeppelin">Led Zeppelin</a>'s <b><a href="/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_(album)" title="Led Zeppelin (album)">debut album</a></b> used a turquoise typeface instead of orange? <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T22:03:00.000Z-FunkMonk-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T22:03:00.000Z-FunkMonk-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T22:03:00.000Z-FunkMonk-2018-09-04T21:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ojorojo-2018-09-04T22:35:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T22:03:00.000Z"></span>Most of this album was regularly played in late 1968 on LA radio from a white label promo. Don't remember turquoise/orange. —<a href="/wiki/User:Ojorojo" title="User:Ojorojo">Ojorojo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ojorojo" title="User talk:Ojorojo">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ojorojo-2018-09-04T22:35:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T22:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:35, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ojorojo-2018-09-04T22:35:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T22:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ojorojo-2018-09-04T22:35:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T22:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://rarerecordcollector.net/atlantic/led-zeppelin/led-zeppelin-i/"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T23:01:00.000Z-Ojorojo-2018-09-04T22:35:00.000Z"></span>This</a> is a good link for the label. The white label promos were sent out to promote the group's first US tour before the album was released, so lots of people would turn up. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T23:01:00.000Z-Ojorojo-2018-09-04T22:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T23:01:00.000Z-Ojorojo-2018-09-04T22:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T23:01:00.000Z-Ojorojo-2018-09-04T22:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Premature_Priapus_AFD_close" data-mw-thread-id="h-Premature_Priapus_AFD_close-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Premature_Priapus_AFD_close-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span>Premature Priapus AFD close<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Premature_Priapus_AFD_close-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z-Premature_Priapus_AFD_close"></span>I believe that you misinterpreted the consensus at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Priapus_(Marvel_Comics)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priapus (Marvel Comics)">this AFD</a>. In my opinion, it should have been relisted in any case rather than closed, because there was no clear consensus over keep by way of merge or deleting, and the keep votes didn't make strong cases. Also, no one suggested a redirect, so why was that the closing consensus? <a href="/wiki/User:Etzedek24" title="User:Etzedek24">Etzedek24</a> <sup><small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Etzedek24" title="User talk:Etzedek24">I'll talk at ya</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Etzedek24" title="Special:Contributions/Etzedek24">Check my track record</a>)</small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z-Premature_Priapus_AFD_close" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z-Premature_Priapus_AFD_close"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z-Premature_Priapus_AFD_close"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:42:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span>Well I could have relisted it, but there didn't seem to be much activity, and to be honest I'm not really a fan of AfDs lasting a month simply because hardly anyone turns up to the debate. Given the comments, I concluded that most people would be comfortable with a redirect. It preserves the history, so those wanting a merge can do something about that, and also stops us having a full topic, which the delete voters would be comfortable with. So essentially, it works out as a good compromise to all. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:42:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:42:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:42:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:52:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span>OK, I'll buy that. <a href="/wiki/User:Etzedek24" title="User:Etzedek24">Etzedek24</a> <sup><small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Etzedek24" title="User talk:Etzedek24">I'll talk at ya</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Etzedek24" title="Special:Contributions/Etzedek24">Check my track record</a>)</small></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:52:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:52:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:52:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:59:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:52:00.000Z"></span>No problem. AfD closing is a bit of a black art, and it's inevitable if you do a lot of closes, they aren't going to go the way everyone wants. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:59:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:59:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T15:59:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T17:02:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span>I hear that a <a href="/wiki/Euphemism" title="Euphemism">priapus</a> going away too soon is a common problem, and that there's a pill for it. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T17:02:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:02, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a> <span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T17:02:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T17:02:00.000Z-Etzedek24-2018-09-04T15:39:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T18:13:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T17:02:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, and have you got a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MEDRS">WP:MEDRS</a> for that? Have ya? Have ya? <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T18:13:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T17:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T18:13:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T17:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T18:13:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-04T17:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-05T02:26:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T18:13:00.000Z"></span>Nah, I've always been more prone to having Priapus show up at inopportune moments. Such as once when I was getting smoked by a DI in basic training. To say I was never allowed to forget it would be an understatement. That bastard <i>still</i> calls me up from time to time to remind me of it. <span class="texhtml" style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MjolnirPants" title="User:MjolnirPants"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MjolnirPants" title="User talk:MjolnirPants"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-05T02:26:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T18:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-05T02:26:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T18:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MjolnirPants-2018-09-05T02:26:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-04T18:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_ineligible" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_ineligible-2018-09-05T04:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_ineligible-2018-09-05T04:16:00.000Z"></span>DYK ineligible<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_ineligible-2018-09-05T04:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-White_Shadows-2018-09-05T04:16:00.000Z-DYK_ineligible"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Waaah!.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Waaah%21.jpg/220px-Waaah%21.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="147" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Waaah%21.jpg/330px-Waaah%21.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Waaah%21.jpg/440px-Waaah%21.jpg 2x" data-file-width="3021" data-file-height="2014"/></a><figcaption>Dazed and confused</figcaption></figure> <p>Hey Ritchie, unfortunately, the article you recently nominated for DYK (<a href="/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_(album)" title="Led Zeppelin (album)">Led Zeppelin (album)</a>) <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/January_12?oldid=471006342">has previously been listed</a> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:OTD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:OTD">On This Day</a> section of the main page. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Eligibility_criteria" title="Wikipedia:Did you know">Per DYK rules</a>, it is therefore ineligible to appear on the DYK section.--<a href="/wiki/User:White_Shadows" title="User:White Shadows"><b style="color:#003153">White Shadows</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:White_Shadows" title="User talk:White Shadows"><b style="color:#DC143C">Let’s Talk</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-White_Shadows-2018-09-05T04:16:00.000Z-DYK_ineligible" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-White_Shadows-2018-09-05T04:16:00.000Z-DYK_ineligible"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-White_Shadows-2018-09-05T04:16:00.000Z-DYK_ineligible"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Aughlisnafin_GAC_-_deleted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Aughlisnafin_GAC_-_deleted-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Aughlisnafin_GAC_-_deleted-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z"></span>Aughlisnafin GAC - deleted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Aughlisnafin_GAC_-_deleted-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Billdoesjudo-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z-Aughlisnafin_GAC_-_deleted"></span>Hey there. I created the Aughlisnafin GAC page to mark my local football club, but you deleted it. Fair enough - it didn't have a lot of content (yet). </p><p>However, → Almost every club in my county has a page, and Aughlisnafin GAC should be no different → There are plenty of local historians in the Aughlisnafin area, and plenty of historical emigration too, meaning plenty of ad hoc interest. </p><p>I would like the page to be restored so I can input more information about it, as well as the local area in general. </p><p>Thanks <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Billdoesjudo" title="User:Billdoesjudo">Billdoesjudo</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Billdoesjudo#top" title="User talk:Billdoesjudo">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Billdoesjudo" title="Special:Contributions/Billdoesjudo">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Billdoesjudo-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z-Aughlisnafin_GAC_-_deleted" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:42, 5 September 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Billdoesjudo-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z-Aughlisnafin_GAC_-_deleted"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Billdoesjudo-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z-Aughlisnafin_GAC_-_deleted"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-05T09:49:00.000Z-Billdoesjudo-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Billdoesjudo" title="User:Billdoesjudo">Billdoesjudo</a>:</span> The page read, in full, "<span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Aughlisnafin GAC was a small, rural <a href="/wiki/Gaelic_football" title="Gaelic football">Gaelic football</a> club located in the eastern side of the parish of <a href="/wiki/Kilmegan" title="Kilmegan">Kilmegan</a>, bordering with <a href="/wiki/Dundrum,_County_Down" title="Dundrum, County Down">Dundrum</a>.</span>". I would recommend using the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WIZ" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WIZ">Article wizard</a> and create a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFT">draft page</a> for the club first - articles in the main portion of the encyclopedia ("mainspace") are assumed to be possible to improve by anybody, and if nobody can figure out how (as was the case here) they get deleted (as otherwise they have a tendency to sit abandoned forever). <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-05T09:49:00.000Z-Billdoesjudo-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-05T09:49:00.000Z-Billdoesjudo-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-05T09:49:00.000Z-Billdoesjudo-2018-09-05T09:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Notice_of_ANI_discussion_about_User:CheekyboyOli" data-mw-thread-id="h-Notice_of_ANI_discussion_about_User:CheekyboyOli-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Notice_of_ANI_discussion_about_User:CheekyboyOli-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span>Notice of ANI discussion about <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:CheekyboyOli&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:CheekyboyOli (page does not exist)">User:CheekyboyOli</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Notice_of_ANI_discussion_about_User:CheekyboyOli-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z-Notice_of_ANI_discussion_about_User:CheekyboyOli"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="Information icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/25px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/38px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/50px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span> There is currently a discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents</a> regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_editing_by_User:CheekyboyOli" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Disruptive editing by User:CheekyboyOli</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Biexx" title="User:Biexx">— bieχχ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biexx" title="User talk:Biexx">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z-Notice_of_ANI_discussion_about_User:CheekyboyOli" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 5 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z-Notice_of_ANI_discussion_about_User:CheekyboyOli"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z-Notice_of_ANI_discussion_about_User:CheekyboyOli"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span>I'm leaving you a notice about a discussion about behaviour of a user that you have blocked a few days ago for edit warring. <a href="/wiki/User:Biexx" title="User:Biexx">— bieχχ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Biexx" title="User talk:Biexx">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 5 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z-Biexx-2018-09-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ITN_recognition_for_Rachael_Bland" data-mw-thread-id="h-ITN_recognition_for_Rachael_Bland-2018-09-05T17:01:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ITN_recognition_for_Rachael_Bland-2018-09-05T17:01:00.000Z"></span>ITN recognition for <a href="/wiki/Rachael_Bland" title="Rachael Bland">Rachael Bland</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ITN_recognition_for_Rachael_Bland-2018-09-05T17:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Black_Kite-2018-09-05T17:01:00.000Z-ITN_recognition_for_Rachael_Bland"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256334245">.mw-parser-output .ivmbox{margin-bottom:1em;border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,#fdf2d5);padding:0.5em;display:flex;align-items:center}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .ivmbox[style*="background"]{background-color:var(--background-color-warning-subtle,ivory)!important;color:inherit}}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-image{padding-left:1px;padding-right:0.5em;max-width:100px;flex:1 0 25px}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text{padding:0.5em 0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:first-child{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .ivmbox-text>:last-child{margin-bottom:0}</style><div class="ivmbox" style=""> <div class="ivmbox-image" style="flex-basis: 50px"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome_globe_current_event.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/50px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="50" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/75px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/100px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span></div> <div class="ivmbox-text"> <p>On 5 September 2018, <i><b><a href="/wiki/Template:In_the_news" title="Template:In the news">In the news</a></b></i> was updated with an item that involved the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Rachael_Bland" title="Rachael Bland">Rachael Bland</a></b></i>, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates" title="Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates">candidates page</a>. <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Black_Kite" title="User talk:Black Kite">Black Kite (talk)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Black_Kite-2018-09-05T17:01:00.000Z-ITN_recognition_for_Rachael_Bland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:01, 5 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Black_Kite-2018-09-05T17:01:00.000Z-ITN_recognition_for_Rachael_Bland"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Black_Kite-2018-09-05T17:01:00.000Z-ITN_recognition_for_Rachael_Bland"></span> </p> </div> </div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Subway_Challenge" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Subway_Challenge-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Subway_Challenge-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Subway_Challenge" title="Talk:Subway Challenge">Talk:Subway Challenge</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Subway_Challenge-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z-Talk:Subway_Challenge"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:KFC_Hot_Wings_Fries.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/KFC_Hot_Wings_Fries.jpg/220px-KFC_Hot_Wings_Fries.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="142" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/KFC_Hot_Wings_Fries.jpg/330px-KFC_Hot_Wings_Fries.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/KFC_Hot_Wings_Fries.jpg/440px-KFC_Hot_Wings_Fries.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2965" data-file-height="1919"/></a><figcaption>Buckets of fun!</figcaption></figure> <p>Hi Ritchie333. Regarding <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=858328023&oldid=858327222">this edit</a>, wouldn't we have the diffs of the legal threats as evidence if this issue were ever taken to WP:ANI? Legal threats on the talk page were already removed on four separate occasions: </p> <ul><li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=858232688&oldid=858154856">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=858232688&oldid=858154856</a></li> <li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=747464268&oldid=747449238">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=747464268&oldid=747449238</a></li> <li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=736873757&oldid=736870094">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=736873757&oldid=736870094</a></li> <li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=708968328&oldid=707682616">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Subway_Challenge&diff=708968328&oldid=707682616</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Epicgenius" title="User:Epicgenius">epicgenius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Epicgenius" title="User talk:Epicgenius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z-Talk:Subway_Challenge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z-Talk:Subway_Challenge"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z-Talk:Subway_Challenge"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:06:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z"></span>Mmm, possibly yeah. I didn't realise the text I was re-inserting was full of "fuck you I'm taking fucking legal action you fuckity fucker", (yes, I've been watching <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7607YiBso">this again</a>) so reverting probably wasn't a good idea. In general, if somebody doesn't want to be mentioned on WP, and there's no conflict of interest, and it doesn't harm the article to take it out, it's simpler to just do it. I know some people dig their feet in the ground and say, "no, it's reliably sourced!" but when push comes to shove, people are reasonable. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:06:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:06:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:06:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:13:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:06:00.000Z"></span>All right, thanks. Just another comment, the five names were originally sourced to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2015/5/law-student-breaks-new-york-city-subway-all-stations-speed-record-379074">the Guinness World Records</a> (ref #13, immediately after the sentence in question), so that's where these names came from. I don't really care either way if the names are included or excluded, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Epicgenius" title="User:Epicgenius">epicgenius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Epicgenius" title="User talk:Epicgenius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:13:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:13:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:06:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:13:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:16:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:13:00.000Z"></span>I agree with you and have dropped a note on the talk page. I saw the report at AIV (it's definitely not vandalism), but by the time I came to write my note on the IP's talk page, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Dlohcierekim&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Dlohcierekim (page does not exist)">Dlohcierekim</a> had already blocked. My primary motivation for this is I believe the IP is used by a wide range of people, possibly a public terminal in a hospital. I think the semi-protection was sound, (though I would have preferred "edit warring" or "disruptive editing" over "vandalism" for the protection reason) and "legal threats" is a fair reason for a block, but 3 months just sounds like too much <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COLLATERAL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COLLATERAL">collateral damage</a>, though I can't prove it. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:16:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:16:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T12:16:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T12:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T14:34:00.000Z-Talk:Subway_Challenge"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Fishnchips.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Fishnchips.jpg/220px-Fishnchips.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="161" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Fishnchips.jpg/330px-Fishnchips.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Fishnchips.jpg/440px-Fishnchips.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1007" data-file-height="737"/></a><figcaption>"D'ya want fries with that, luv?"</figcaption></figure> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Subway Challenge? I don’t know about you, but I can never manage more than about 10 <a href="/wiki/Subway_(restaurant)" title="Subway (restaurant)">Double Chipotle Chicken Melts</a> in under 5 minutes. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T14:34:00.000Z-Talk:Subway_Challenge" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T14:34:00.000Z-Talk:Subway_Challenge"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T14:34:00.000Z-Talk:Subway_Challenge"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T14:34:00.000Z"></span>That's 'cause you're not a student, Martin. Back in the day, we had a challenge to demolish a <a href="/wiki/KFC" title="KFC">KFC</a> Bucket in ten minutes. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T14:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T14:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T14:56:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z"></span>KFC and Subway? Ha! Here in NYC we have <a href="/wiki/Nathan%27s_Hot_Dog_Eating_Contest" title="Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest">"down as many buckets of hot dogs as you can in 10 minutes"</a> every July 4th. <a href="/wiki/User:Epicgenius" title="User:Epicgenius">epicgenius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Epicgenius" title="User talk:Epicgenius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T14:56:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T14:56:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T14:56:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T15:00:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T14:56:00.000Z"></span>We don't celebrate July 4th over this side of the pond, nobody likes to be reminded of a war we lost and caused the <a href="/wiki/British_Empire" title="British Empire">British Empire</a> to shrink. :-P If you're not familiar with British cuisine, when you go into a typical <a href="/wiki/Chip_shop" class="mw-redirect" title="Chip shop">chip shop</a> and ask for a "medium chips", they typically can easily go round to two people. If you ask for a "large chips", they'll probably be sufficient for a small family. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T15:00:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T15:00:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T14:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T15:00:00.000Z-Epicgenius-2018-09-06T14:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T15:05:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T15:00:00.000Z"></span>We also have the proud British folk tradition of <a href="/wiki/Notting_Hill_Gate_tube_station" title="Notting Hill Gate tube station">"Nek-Notting-Nominate"</a>, which involves running to cram onto an over-crowded train while pouring a <a href="/wiki/Ice_Bucket_Challenge" title="Ice Bucket Challenge">bucket of ice-cold</a> <a href="/wiki/Costa_Coffee" title="Costa Coffee">Costa Coffee</a> all over one's head.... <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T15:05:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T15:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T15:05:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T15:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-06T15:05:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T15:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_barnstar_for_you!" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2018-09-06T22:01:00.000Z"><span id="A_barnstar_for_you.21"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2018-09-06T22:01:00.000Z"></span>A barnstar for you!<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_barnstar_for_you!-2018-09-06T22:01:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"> <tbody><tr> <td rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redditaddict69-2018-09-06T22:01:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Barnstar_of_Diligence_Hires.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Barnstar_of_Diligence_Hires.png/100px-Barnstar_of_Diligence_Hires.png" decoding="async" width="100" height="95" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Barnstar_of_Diligence_Hires.png/150px-Barnstar_of_Diligence_Hires.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Barnstar_of_Diligence_Hires.png/200px-Barnstar_of_Diligence_Hires.png 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1900"/></a></span> </td> <td style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;"><b>The Barnstar of Diligence</b> </td></tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;">Thanks for being an admin who seems to genuinely care about WP (noted especially after your contribs to AfD discussions and reading your user page)! <a href="/wiki/User:Redditaddict69" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Redditaddict69"><b style="color:#3399FF">Redditaddict</b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redditaddict69" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Redditaddict69"><b style="color:#339900">6</b></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Redditaddict69" title="Special:Contributions/Redditaddict69"><b style="color:#3399FF">9</b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Redditaddict69-2018-09-06T22:01:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:01, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redditaddict69-2018-09-06T22:01:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redditaddict69-2018-09-06T22:01:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!"></span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Indef_block,_community_ban" data-mw-thread-id="h-Indef_block,_community_ban-2018-09-07T10:23:00.000Z"><span id="Indef_block.2C_community_ban"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Indef_block,_community_ban-2018-09-07T10:23:00.000Z"></span>Indef block, community ban<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Indef_block,_community_ban-2018-09-07T10:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:23:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span>First of all, out of 14 support for block, there were 8 votes for siteban/indef ban (same things) since 2 indef blocks have been already applied on his past accounts before. Either way it is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CBAN">WP:CBAN</a> and should be stated that way. Secondly your message on his talk page,<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANauriya&type=revision&diff=858458933&oldid=858433478">[1]</a> shows that he can be unblocked by any admin contrary to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CBAN">WP:CBAN</a> which is appealed only to the community. Please fix this and also fix the blocking rational in the block log. <a href="/wiki/User:Accesscrawl" title="User:Accesscrawl">Accesscrawl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accesscrawl" title="User talk:Accesscrawl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:23:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:23, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:23:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:23:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span> </p><p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CBAN"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span>WP:CBAN</a>: "<i>Editors who are or remain indefinitely blocked after due consideration by the community are considered "banned by the Wikipedia community".</i>" This shouldn't be treated as a normal admin action, especially when over a dozen of editors in good standing supported indef block or siteban. <a href="/wiki/User:Accesscrawl" title="User:Accesscrawl">Accesscrawl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accesscrawl" title="User talk:Accesscrawl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:38:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Accesscrawl" title="User:Accesscrawl">Accesscrawl</a>:</span> Here's my thinking. Everyone who wanted a site ban would not complain about an indef block; but everyone who wanted an indef block may not be happy with a site ban. So I do not see consensus beyond a block at this point, and since Nauriya has <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ANauriya">never been blocked before</a>, I took the view that we should start with a lesser sanction first. I realise that all the support is being made through a profound sense of exhaustion and frustration, and that persistent copyright violators <i>should</i> be blocked, but I don't think we need to run straight for the ban just yet. If he doesn't appeal the block, or no admin is willing to accept any unblock request (which would almost certainly have conditions attached such as a topic ban on creating articles, uploading articles and agreement for a reblock on the first sight of any copyright problems), then it becomes a <i>de-facto</i> ban at that point. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:38:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:38:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:38:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:38:00.000Z"></span>He has been blocked 3 times on his 3 past accounts, indefinitely all of them still remains in the place. I am amazed that you missed such important fact because of which people supported "indefinite ban". To say "never been blocked before" is misleading. Your explanation equates to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUPERVOTE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUPERVOTE">WP:SUPERVOTE</a> and you should instead consider turning your closure into comment if you share such a non-policy based rationale and unblock nauriya for the time being, otherwise just turn it into a siteban as already clarified by me above. <a href="/wiki/User:Accesscrawl" title="User:Accesscrawl">Accesscrawl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accesscrawl" title="User talk:Accesscrawl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:57:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z"></span>I did notice that, but I also noted that the SPI came back as "inconclusive"; if it had come back as a positive result the account would have been indefinitely blocked anyway. As we now stand, the guy can't edit, and hence can't add any more copyright violations, and it would be helpful to work <i>with</i> him during the CCI, which obviously as a banned editor, he can't do. I don't think Nauriya is malicious or aggressive; this is a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COMPETENCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COMPETENCE">WP:COMPETENCE</a> issue and should be managed carefully. For now, I think our main focus should be to get the CCI underway and go and get rid of all the copyvios. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:57:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:57:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:57:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T11:08:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:57:00.000Z"></span>You are misrepresenting the SPI's conclusion since Nauriya admitted those "3 accounts" to be operated by him. Even on ANI, "Yes I created those accounts in 2013 and moved on with this one"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=858360974">[2]</a> He was unrelated to some other sockmaster (International Shah Editor) but not his own 3 accounts that he admitted. Why one should not <b>siteban a already 3 times indeffed editor</b>? CCIs are well handled without the violator who is proven to be well disruptive for so many years. None of these actions are valid per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CBAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CBAN">WP:CBAN</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Accesscrawl" title="User:Accesscrawl">Accesscrawl</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Accesscrawl" title="User talk:Accesscrawl">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T11:08:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:08, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T11:08:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T11:08:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T10:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Fram-2018-09-07T11:43:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z"></span>"since Nauriya has <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ANauriya">never been blocked before</a>, I took the view that we should start with a lesser sanction first. I realise that all the support is being made through a profound sense of exhaustion and frustration, and that persistent copyright violators <i>should</i> be blocked, but I don't think we need to run straight for the ban just yet.": isn't this the textbook definition of a supervote? Voting "indef block, don't ban just yet" would have been fine with this reasoning (although you would have been called out on the "never been blocked before" in that case), but closing the discussion with this reasoning, <i>and</i> partly based on your incorrect reading of the socking / previous blocks situation, makes this IMO an invalid close. <a href="/wiki/User:Fram" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Fram">Fram</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fram" title="User talk:Fram">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Fram-2018-09-07T11:43:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Fram-2018-09-07T11:43:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Fram-2018-09-07T11:43:00.000Z-Accesscrawl-2018-09-07T10:31:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GenuineArt-2018-09-07T12:15:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span>Opened for review now: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Issues_with_closure" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Issues with closure</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GenuineArt" title="User:GenuineArt">GenuineArt</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GenuineArt" title="User talk:GenuineArt">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-GenuineArt-2018-09-07T12:15:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GenuineArt-2018-09-07T12:15:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GenuineArt-2018-09-07T12:15:00.000Z-Indef_block,_community_ban"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z"></span>AfD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z-AfD"></span>Hi Ritchie333: You closed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kerney_Thomas" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kerney Thomas">this</a> deletion discussion as delete, but did not delete the article. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><a href="/wiki/User:Northamerica1000" title="User:Northamerica1000">North America</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Northamerica1000" title="User talk:Northamerica1000"><span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span></a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z-AfD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z-AfD"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z-AfD"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T13:28:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z"></span>Hmm, looks like the script didn't work. Fixed now. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T13:28:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T13:28:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T13:28:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T13:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T13:28:00.000Z"></span>Thanks very much. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><a href="/wiki/User:Northamerica1000" title="User:Northamerica1000">North America</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Northamerica1000" title="User talk:Northamerica1000"><span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span></a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T13:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T13:28:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-06T13:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-78.26-2018-09-07T13:28:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z"></span>For what it's worth, this has happened several times to me lately. I have to double-check every time I close as "delete", which is an awful thing to do to a lazy person like me. <a href="/wiki/User:78.26" title="User:78.26"><span style="border:1px solid black;color:red; padding:1px;background:1h5h1h; color: #008B8B;"><b>78.26</b></span></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:78.26" title="User talk:78.26">spin me</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.26" title="Special:Contributions/78.26">revolutions</a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-78.26-2018-09-07T13:28:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:28, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-78.26-2018-09-07T13:28:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-78.26-2018-09-07T13:28:00.000Z-Northamerica1000-2018-09-06T14:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="blocked_sock" data-mw-thread-id="h-blocked_sock-2018-09-07T16:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-blocked_sock-2018-09-07T16:21:00.000Z"></span>blocked sock<span data-mw-comment-end="h-blocked_sock-2018-09-07T16:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:21:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span>Tyranny imposed You people don't realise it. These people like DBigXray, Lorstaking, Accesscrawl are eliminating their Pakistani opponents like me to spread their agenda. They done the same to NadirAli who is in a long line of list they've done it to. Many of the people in their group have been blocked in past for various reasons including socking. Accesscrawl is already suspected of socking. </s></p><p><s>Give Ivanvector's claims about Fram being aggressive, you should take their admin priveleges. Also RaviC <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=858340617&oldid=858340171">harassed Ivan and Simonm223</a> over their friendship, which had already been discolsed years earlier and Simonm223's editing with Ivanvector's account as an accident. If someone's involved in meatpuppetry it is these people who had Nauriya and NadirAli banned because they show up everywhere including <a href="/wiki/University_of_Chicago_Law_School" title="University of Chicago Law School">University of Chicago Law School</a> where 1990'sguy and Accesscrawl supported Lostaking. Another opponent they have endlessly targeted is <a href="/wiki/User:Son_of_Kolachi" title="User:Son of Kolachi">User:Son of Kolachi</a> with <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Liborbital/Archive#21_July_2018">SPI by Sdmarathe</a> (who supported banning NadirAli) and strong claims of DUCK by DBigXray and Accesscrawl. Lorstaking continued to claim he was a sock of another user on Abecedare's talk page. Have a look yourself. </s></p><p><s>These people will start uttering they're being targeted with bad faith but don't hestitate to have bad faith on others themselves. They clearly don't come to support each other by coincidence and are doing nothing except trying to take control. Can you take any action against them or will this keep going on like a circus? <a href="/wiki/User:Glitcher1" title="User:Glitcher1">Glitcher1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Glitcher1" title="User talk:Glitcher1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:21:00.000Z-blocked_sock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a> <span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:21:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span></s><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:21:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span></p><p><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:43:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span>And don't listen to these people, they'll want that reports against them are removed or not paid attention to so their behaviour can continue. <a href="/wiki/User:Glitcher1" title="User:Glitcher1">Glitcher1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Glitcher1" title="User talk:Glitcher1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:43:00.000Z-blocked_sock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a></s> <small>harassment Sock now blocked</small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:43:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:43:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T17:13:00.000Z-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:43:00.000Z"></span>Well the ANI thread is now closed; so let's move on. When things get aggressive, I like to listen to music and chill out, then think about improving an article. I've done a bit on <a href="/w/index.php?title=The_House_of_Fine_Art&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The House of Fine Art (page does not exist)">The House of Fine Art</a> which Accesscrawl started, and might do a bit more on it this evening. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T17:13:00.000Z-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:13, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T17:13:00.000Z-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T17:13:00.000Z-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T16:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2018-09-07T17:14:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T17:13:00.000Z"></span>Is it just me who thinks that using terms like "tyranny", "fascism" and the like to describe what may or may not be improper behaviour (I didn't investigate) on a public open-access website that is in no way essential to the life, liberty and health of its participants is inappropriate? <a href="/wiki/User:Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="User:Jo-Jo Eumerus">Jo-Jo Eumerus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo_Eumerus" title="Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus">contributions</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2018-09-07T17:14:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T17:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2018-09-07T17:14:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T17:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2018-09-07T17:14:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-07T17:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T17:25:00.000Z-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2018-09-07T17:14:00.000Z"></span>This is not a joke guys. Don’t you see why multiple admins and non-admins have pointed out the strange behaviour of these people in past? Do you really think these people are coming out of the blue to support bans against people or edits on article they don't even interact with? It's not a coincidence that they’re all showing up for eliminating opponent editors, especially the Pakistani ones.</s></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl><s></s><dl><s></s><dd><s></s><dl><s></s><dd><s></s><dl><s></s><dd><s>If you're not going to do anything, then I suggest you keep an eye on them. Because people like Ivanvector or <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=856940185&oldid=856936707">Vanamonde aren't making it up</a> that their association is suspicious. I have no personal rivalry with these people, but what they’re doing can't be ignored. <a href="/wiki/User:Glitcher1" title="User:Glitcher1">Glitcher1</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Glitcher1" title="User talk:Glitcher1">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T17:25:00.000Z-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2018-09-07T17:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a> </s> <small>harassment Sock now blocked<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T17:25:00.000Z-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2018-09-07T17:14:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Glitcher1-2018-09-07T17:25:00.000Z-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2018-09-07T17:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><s><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Irondome-2018-09-07T17:56:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span>::::<a href="/wiki/User:Richie333" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Richie333">Richie333</a>, re improving <a href="/w/index.php?title=The_House_of_Fine_Art&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="The House of Fine Art (page does not exist)">The House of Fine Art</a>, this may be useful. Although slightly puzzling, as this claims to be the first to use crypto-currency..[<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://luxurylondon.co.uk/culture/art/view-from-the-top-mayfair-female-gallerists">[3]</a>]. <a href="/wiki/User:Irondome" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Irondome">Irondome</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Irondome" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Irondome">talk</a>) 17:56, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</s> This [<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="https://www.standard.co.uk/go/london/arts/mayfair-gallery-to-put-its-entire-art-collection-up-for-sale-in-cryptocurrency-a3905356.html">[4]</a>] may be more useful. <a href="/wiki/User:Irondome" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Irondome">Irondome</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Irondome" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Irondome">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Irondome-2018-09-07T17:56:00.000Z-blocked_sock" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Irondome-2018-09-07T17:56:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Irondome-2018-09-07T17:56:00.000Z-blocked_sock"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion_of_article_"Naveen_Bawa'" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_of_article_"Naveen_Bawa'-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z"><span id="Deletion_of_article_.22Naveen_Bawa.27"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_of_article_"Naveen_Bawa'-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z"></span>Deletion of article "Naveen Bawa'<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_of_article_"Naveen_Bawa'-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Helpful14-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z-Deletion_of_article_"Naveen_Bawa'"></span>Hi, I want to ask you why you deleted the article "Naveen Bawa" inspite of adding sources which prove its notability? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Helpful14" title="User:Helpful14">Helpful14</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Helpful14#top" title="User talk:Helpful14">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Helpful14" title="Special:Contributions/Helpful14">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Helpful14-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z-Deletion_of_article_"Naveen_Bawa'" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:04, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Helpful14-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z-Deletion_of_article_"Naveen_Bawa'"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Helpful14-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z-Deletion_of_article_"Naveen_Bawa'"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T11:48:00.000Z-Helpful14-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Helpful14" title="User:Helpful14">Helpful14</a>:</span> There's a simple answer - at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Naveen_Bawa" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naveen Bawa">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naveen Bawa</a>, three people asked for it to be deleted, and nobody challenged them. Unfortunately, we can only go with the result that people ask for, so it had to be deleted. (It's kind of like that episode in <i><a href="/wiki/The_Simpsons" title="The Simpsons">The Simpsons</a></i> where <a href="/wiki/Edna_Krabappel" title="Edna Krabappel">Mrs Krabappel</a> reads out the student president votes - "One for Martin; two for Martin".) I can restore the article to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DRAFT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DRAFT">draft space</a> if that would help. The draft could then be reviewed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AfC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AfC">Articles for creation</a>; if it is accepted there, that can generally trump a deletion debate. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T11:48:00.000Z-Helpful14-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T11:48:00.000Z-Helpful14-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T11:48:00.000Z-Helpful14-2018-09-08T05:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="The_Bloody_Mues" data-mw-thread-id="h-The_Bloody_Mues-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-The_Bloody_Mues-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Bruces_sketch" title="Bruces sketch">The Bloody Mues</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-The_Bloody_Mues-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span>I see our antipodean belching friend has now branched out into some incredibly cunning and deceptive sock puppetry. Yours <a href="/wiki/Tingha_and_Tucker" title="Tingha and Tucker">AuntieJean123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123#top" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:07, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T11:42:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z"></span>I feel <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333/Any_%27Dmin_Will_Do" title="User:Ritchie333/Any 'Dmin Will Do">a nice tune coming on....</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T11:42:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T11:42:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T11:42:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T11:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <center> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DBigXray-2018-09-08T12:05:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span>I roll my eyes<br/> At all the socking (wooah-oah)<br/> They all need blocking (wooah-oah)<br/> Page protection too<br/> </p> </center> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Nice poetry :D --<i><span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .3em LightSkyBlue;"><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:DBigXray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:DBigXray (page does not exist)">D<span style="color:#DA500B">Big</span></a><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DBigXray&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:DBigXray (page does not exist)">X<span style="color:#10AD00">ray</span>ᗙ</a></span></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-DBigXray-2018-09-08T12:05:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:05, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DBigXray-2018-09-08T12:05:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DBigXray-2018-09-08T12:05:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T13:02:00.000Z-DBigXray-2018-09-08T12:05:00.000Z"></span>Yes. These days we all call him <a href="/wiki/Tim_Rice" title="Tim Rice">"Threesie Rice"</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T13:02:00.000Z-DBigXray-2018-09-08T12:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:02, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T13:02:00.000Z-DBigXray-2018-09-08T12:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T13:02:00.000Z-DBigXray-2018-09-08T12:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T13:36:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span>I see that good sense and justice has now <a href="/wiki/The_Block_(Australian_TV_series)" title="The Block (Australian TV series)">prevailed</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T13:36:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T13:36:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-08T13:36:00.000Z-The_Bloody_Mues"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Charro_outfit" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Charro_outfit-2018-09-09T00:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Charro_outfit-2018-09-09T00:02:00.000Z"></span>DYK for Charro outfit<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Charro_outfit-2018-09-09T00:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Casliber-2018-09-09T00:02:00.000Z-DYK_for_Charro_outfit"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Updated DYK query"><img alt="Updated DYK query" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/15px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/23px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/30px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions#9_September_2018" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions">9 September 2018</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Charro_outfit" title="Charro outfit">Charro outfit</a></b></i>, which you recently nominated. The fact was <i>... that in 1985, someone made a <b><a href="/wiki/Charro_outfit" title="Charro outfit">charro outfit</a></b> out of <a href="/wiki/Drink_can#Pop-tab" title="Drink can">pull tabs</a> from 2,500 <a href="/wiki/Aluminum_can" title="Aluminum can">aluminum cans</a>?</i> The nomination discussion and review may be seen at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Charro_outfit" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Charro outfit">Template:Did you know nominations/Charro outfit</a>. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a class="external text" href="//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-08-30&end=2018-09-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Charro_outfit">daily totals</a>)</small>, and it may be added to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics" title="Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics">the statistics page</a> if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Casliber" title="User:Casliber">Cas Liber</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Casliber" title="User talk:Casliber">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber" title="Special:Contributions/Casliber">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Casliber-2018-09-09T00:02:00.000Z-DYK_for_Charro_outfit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 9 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Casliber-2018-09-09T00:02:00.000Z-DYK_for_Charro_outfit"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Casliber-2018-09-09T00:02:00.000Z-DYK_for_Charro_outfit"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Warren_"Slim"_Williams_AFD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Warren_"Slim"_Williams_AFD-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z"><span id="Warren_.22Slim.22_Williams_AFD"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Warren_"Slim"_Williams_AFD-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span>Warren "Slim" Williams AFD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Warren_"Slim"_Williams_AFD-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z-Warren_"Slim"_Williams_AFD"></span>You closed it as no consensus. There was agreed that the page should be either merged, redirected or deleted. First keep voter <a href="/wiki/User:Duffbeerforme" title="User:Duffbeerforme">User:duffbeerforme</a> said it was OK to merge, because it does not meet GNG in this state. The other vote was a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PERX" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PERX">WP:PERX</a> vote by a person who always votes keep. I think the appropiate closure here is to merge it into <a href="/wiki/Tchukon" title="Tchukon">Tchukon</a>. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#aaa;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:10pt"> » <a href="/wiki/User:Shadowowl" title="User:Shadowowl"><span style="color:#525252">Shadowowl</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shadowowl" title="User talk:Shadowowl"><span style="color:#4F7D7D">talk</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z-Warren_"Slim"_Williams_AFD" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 9 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z-Warren_"Slim"_Williams_AFD"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z-Warren_"Slim"_Williams_AFD"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-09T11:16:00.000Z-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span>It doesn't sound like much of an agreement if there are still three decisions that people want. A "no consensus" result means you can merge or redirect outside of the scope of the AfD, or start a new nomination if you think deletion is the answer. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-09T11:16:00.000Z-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-09T11:16:00.000Z-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-09T11:16:00.000Z-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T09:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T12:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-09T11:16:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for your response. I redirected it, because there was little to no content to merge. <span style="font-weight:bold;color:#aaa;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:10pt"> » <a href="/wiki/User:Shadowowl" title="User:Shadowowl"><span style="color:#525252">Shadowowl</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shadowowl" title="User talk:Shadowowl"><span style="color:#4F7D7D">talk</span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T12:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-09T11:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T12:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-09T11:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shadowowl-2018-09-09T12:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-09T11:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mizna_Waqas" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mizna_Waqas-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FMizna_Waqas"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mizna_Waqas-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z"></span>Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mizna Waqas<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mizna_Waqas-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Saqib-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mizna_Waqas"></span>With due respect, but I'm considering a request for a deletion review, because I believe the "no consensus" was not justified. --<a href="/wiki/User:Saqib" title="User:Saqib">Saqib</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Saqib" title="User talk:Saqib">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Saqib-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mizna_Waqas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Saqib-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mizna_Waqas"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Saqib-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mizna_Waqas"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-Saqib-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Saqib" title="User:Saqib">Saqib</a>:</span> There were few !votes, opinion seemed to be split between "keep" and "delete" and the debate descended into parties yelling at each other. That's usually a good reason to close as NC. The "Created by a sockpuppet" argument does not appear to have held, otherwise it would have been deleted per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:G5" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:G5">WP:G5</a>. Looking at the article, the appearance in a notable television series suggests that deletion wouldn't be right answer. Ask the regulars at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red</a> to see if someone can help improve it. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-Saqib-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 10 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-Saqib-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-Saqib-2018-09-10T15:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small>--I don't guess a DRV will lead to a change in the outcome.NC was within Ritchie's discretion.A306 is at his usual nonsensical-best but Davey's !vote seemed a bit weird (A ping with an explanation might have led to a change... ).Renominating after some time is probably the optimum way-out.<a href="/wiki/User:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User:Winged Blades of Godric"><span style="color: red">∯</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User talk:Winged Blades of Godric"><sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-1"></span>And, are we having a backlog of to-be-closed AfDs? <a href="/wiki/User:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User:Winged Blades of Godric"><span style="color: red">∯</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Winged_Blades_of_Godric" title="User talk:Winged Blades of Godric"><sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-1"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T15:53:00.000Z-1"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T16:05:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z"></span>I asked on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AN">WP:AN</a> about clearing the AfD backlog, and a couple of them have chipped in and done it. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T16:05:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:05, 10 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T16:05:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T16:05:00.000Z-Winged_Blades_of_Godric-2018-09-10T16:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="New_article_notability" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_article_notability-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_article_notability-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z"></span>New article notability<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_article_notability-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z-New_article_notability"></span>Hi Ritchie333. I recently created <a href="/wiki/Luitpoldpark" title="Luitpoldpark">Luitpoldpark</a>. However after reading the geographical notability essay I’m beginning to have doubts that this park is notable. What do you think? I personally would like to see this article stay and be developed, but I welcome your experienced view. <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_Ernie" title="User:Mr Ernie">Mr Ernie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_Ernie" title="User talk:Mr Ernie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z-New_article_notability" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:33, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z-New_article_notability"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z-New_article_notability"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T16:51:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr_Ernie" title="User:Mr Ernie">Mr Ernie</a>:</span> I have added information two books sources, and there is a more well-developed article on the German Wikipedia. I definitely think we should be able to expand this to at least 1500 characters to get a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYK">Did you know?</a> nomination. <a href="/wiki/User:SoWhy" title="User:SoWhy">SoWhy</a> may be able to help further. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T16:51:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T16:51:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T16:51:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-08T01:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-09T01:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! I will add more to the article Monday or Tuesday and propose a few hooks. I’ve never done a DYK before so I’m hoping you can walk me through it. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Mr_Ernie" title="User:Mr Ernie">Mr Ernie</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mr_Ernie" title="User talk:Mr Ernie">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-09T01:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T16:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 9 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-09T01:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-09T01:43:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-08T16:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T21:34:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-09T01:43:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Mr_Ernie" title="User:Mr Ernie">Mr Ernie</a>:</span> I've expanded the article, fleshed it out, and nominated it for a DYK at <a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Luitpoldpark" title="Template:Did you know nominations/Luitpoldpark">Template:Did you know nominations/Luitpoldpark</a>. Have a look, and if you've got any alternative hooks you think would work well, throw them into the mix. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T21:34:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-09T01:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:34, 10 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T21:34:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-09T01:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-10T21:34:00.000Z-Mr_Ernie-2018-09-09T01:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="italics_in_page_title" data-mw-thread-id="h-italics_in_page_title-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-italics_in_page_title-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"></span>italics in page title<span data-mw-comment-end="h-italics_in_page_title-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z-italics_in_page_title"></span>Hi.<br/>I recently created <a href="/wiki/Alright_Now_(film)" class="mw-redirect" title="Alright Now (film)">Alright Now (film)</a>. The "Alright Now" in title is being shown in italics (but not the "(film)"). I was why this is happening. Do you have any ideas? TPS are also welcome to discuss. —<span style="font-size: 104%; letter-spacing:1.5pt;"><span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran"><span style="letter-spacing:1pt;"><b>(talk)</b></span></a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z-italics_in_page_title" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z-italics_in_page_title"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z-italics_in_page_title"></span> </p> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T19:27:00.000Z-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page watcher</a>)</small> Sup. The reasn for the italic is per <a href="/wiki/MOS:MAJORWORK" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:MAJORWORK">MOS:MAJORWORK</a>, and for the mechanics of it, {{Infobox film}} commits the italicization autmatically. Hope all is well. <a href="/wiki/User:Serial_Number_54129" title="User:Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:dark blue"><b>—SerialNumber54129</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:red"><b> paranoia /</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129"><b>cheap sh*t room</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T19:27:00.000Z-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T19:27:00.000Z-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T19:27:00.000Z-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span style="font-size:smaller;"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vanamonde93-2018-09-12T19:25:00.000Z-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"></span>(<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_stalker" title="Wikipedia:Talk page stalker">talk page stalker</a>)</span> My understanding is that <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_film" title="Template:Infobox film">Template:Infobox film</a> automatically italicizes the title, which it takes from the "name" parameter in the infobox template. If that parameter is not supplied (it is, in this case) the template would default to using the page title as the film title, and the entire thing would be capitalized. <a href="/wiki/User:Vanamonde93" title="User:Vanamonde93">Vanamonde</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vanamonde93" title="User talk:Vanamonde93">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Vanamonde93-2018-09-12T19:25:00.000Z-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vanamonde93-2018-09-12T19:25:00.000Z-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vanamonde93-2018-09-12T19:25:00.000Z-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T19:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T21:02:00.000Z-Vanamonde93-2018-09-12T19:25:00.000Z"></span>Both of you are right. Some clever person included the mechanism in explained by Vanamonde, into the infobox so the policy gets followed automatically. Thanks guys. —<span style="font-size: 104%; letter-spacing:1.5pt;"><span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Usernamekiran" title="User talk:Usernamekiran"><span style="letter-spacing:1pt;"><b>(talk)</b></span></a></span></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T21:02:00.000Z-Vanamonde93-2018-09-12T19:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T21:02:00.000Z-Vanamonde93-2018-09-12T19:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Usernamekiran-2018-09-12T21:02:00.000Z-Vanamonde93-2018-09-12T19:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="YGM" data-mw-thread-id="h-YGM-2018-09-12T21:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-YGM-2018-09-12T21:15:00.000Z"></span>YGM<span data-mw-comment-end="h-YGM-2018-09-12T21:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BU_Rob13-2018-09-12T21:15:00.000Z-YGM"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256396942">.mw-parser-output .umbox{background-color:var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff);border:1px solid var(--border-color-progressive,#36c);padding:0.5em 1em;margin:2em 0 1em;font-weight:bold;overflow:auto;vertical-align:middle}</style> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/40px-Mail-message-new.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/60px-Mail-message-new.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Mail-message-new.svg/80px-Mail-message-new.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Ritchie333. Please check your email; you've got mail! <br/><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can <span class="noprint plainlinks" title="Edit {{{1}}}"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81&action=edit">remove this notice</a></span> at any time by removing the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:You%27ve_got_mail" title="Template:You've got mail">You've got mail</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Ygm" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Ygm">ygm</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template.</span></div><p> ~ <a href="/wiki/User:BU_Rob13" title="User:BU Rob13"><b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small></a><sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:BU_Rob13" title="User talk:BU Rob13">Talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-BU_Rob13-2018-09-12T21:15:00.000Z-YGM" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:15, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BU_Rob13-2018-09-12T21:15:00.000Z-YGM"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BU_Rob13-2018-09-12T21:15:00.000Z-YGM"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id=""Blou_(band)"_article_AfD_closing" data-mw-thread-id="h-"Blou_(band)"_article_AfD_closing-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z"><span id=".22Blou_.28band.29.22_article_AfD_closing"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-"Blou_(band)"_article_AfD_closing-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z"></span>"Blou (band)" article AfD closing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-"Blou_(band)"_article_AfD_closing-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Gnome-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z-"Blou_(band)"_article_AfD_closing"></span>Greetings. You closed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Blou_(band)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blou (band)">that AfD</a> with a "no consensus" decision. Yet there was only one dissenting suggestion against two opposite ones. Moreover, you justified the closing with this: "Since the pre-copyvio version was restored, nobody has commented on a definitive option for the article." However, after Michig restored the pre-copyvio version, I commented extensively on the sources Michig provided, as well as other sources out there, and I believe I refuted all claims for notability. So, it's surprising to see the proposal closed like this. Do you think the closing should be somewhat revisited? -<a href="/wiki/User:The_Gnome" title="User:The Gnome">The Gnome</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Gnome" title="User talk:The Gnome">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-The_Gnome-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z-"Blou_(band)"_article_AfD_closing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Gnome-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z-"Blou_(band)"_article_AfD_closing"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Gnome-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z-"Blou_(band)"_article_AfD_closing"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T15:34:00.000Z-The_Gnome-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z"></span>The principal problem was there was so little participation in the debate. If one other person had said "delete per Gnome, who has summed up the argument well", that might have been an argument to delete; if two people had, it definitely would suggest a "delete" close. I would see if you can improve the article, then re-nominate after a suitable period of time. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T15:34:00.000Z-The_Gnome-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T15:34:00.000Z-The_Gnome-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T15:34:00.000Z-The_Gnome-2018-09-12T15:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-The_Gnome-2018-09-13T07:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T15:34:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for the informative response, <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333">Ritchie333</a>. Take care. -<a href="/wiki/User:The_Gnome" title="User:The Gnome">The Gnome</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:The_Gnome" title="User talk:The Gnome">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-The_Gnome-2018-09-13T07:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T15:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 13 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-The_Gnome-2018-09-13T07:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T15:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-The_Gnome-2018-09-13T07:12:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T15:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins" data-mw-thread-id="h-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z"><span id="inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee.2C_mi_bredrins"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Easy_Star_All-Stars" title="Easy Star All-Stars">inna widddly-diddly styleeee, mi bredrins</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins"></span>I was just wondering if you were at all familiar with <a href="/wiki/Dub_Side_of_the_Moon" title="Dub Side of the Moon">this 2003 classic</a>? A real treat for <a href="/wiki/Dub_music" title="Dub music">dub-wise</a> Floydians everywhere (and full available on YouTube, of course, in case folks are curious). It's pretty cosmic. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)</a> <small><b>widdly-diddly</b></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-11T20:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span>Are those <a href="/wiki/In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" title="In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida">iron butterflies</a> flying around this thread title? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href="/wiki/User:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MPants at work"><span style="color:green;"><b>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPants_at_work" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:MPants at work"><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-11T20:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-11T20:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPants_at_work-2018-09-11T20:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-11T20:28:00.000Z"></span>.... ooooh, I'd never thought of it <a href="/wiki/Motivation_Radio" title="Motivation Radio">like that</a> before...! -- <a href="/wiki/Silver_Machine" title="Silver Machine">Interstellar Teapot Traveller 123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-11T20:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)</a> <small>" According to drummer Ron Bushy, organist/vocalist <a href="/wiki/Doug_Ingle" title="Doug Ingle">Doug Ingle</a> wrote the song one evening while drinking an entire gallon of <a href="/wiki/Red_Mountain_AVA" title="Red Mountain AVA">Red Mountain</a> wine.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-11T20:28:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-11T20:18:00.000Z-MPants_at_work-2018-09-11T20:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="September_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-September_2018-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-September_2018-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z"></span>September 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-September_2018-inna_widddly-diddly_styleeee,_mi_bredrins-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z"></span></h3></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z-September_2018"></span><figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:KEN_DODD.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/KEN_DODD.jpg/220px-KEN_DODD.jpg" decoding="async" width="220" height="238" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/KEN_DODD.jpg/330px-KEN_DODD.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/KEN_DODD.jpg/440px-KEN_DODD.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1893" data-file-height="2051"/></a><figcaption>Wilful tickling, or other uninvited titivations, may result in a loss of your editing <a href="/wiki/Privy_digging" title="Privy digging">privy ledges</a></figcaption></figure> <p><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Stop_hand_nuvola.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="Stop icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/30px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/45px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg/60px-Stop_hand_nuvola.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="240" data-file-height="240"/></a></span> You may be <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy" title="Wikipedia:Blocking policy">blocked from editing</a> without further warning</b> the next time you purposefully and blatantly <a href="/wiki/Tickling_stick" class="mw-redirect" title="Tickling stick">tickle</a> a fellow Wikipedian, as you did at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:EEng" title="User talk:EEng">this madhouse</a>. <i> </i> <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z-September_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z-September_2018"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z-September_2018"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T13:46:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z"></span>Do you think I just go and tickle anybody? Good grief, do I <i>look</i> like I have <a href="/wiki/List_of_Mr._Men#T" title="List of Mr. Men">enormously long orange arms</a>? I think not. <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T13:46:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:46, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T13:46:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T13:46:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T13:46:00.000Z"></span>Not long? Are you 'avin' <a href="/wiki/Turkish_bath" class="mw-redirect" title="Turkish bath">a turkey</a>, or wot?? After all, you are known as the <a href="/wiki/Kings_Have_Long_Arms" title="Kings Have Long Arms">orangutan of the Hammond organ</a>, are you not?? <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T13:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:54, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T13:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-12T13:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T14:54:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:54:00.000Z"></span>...always reminds me of, '<i>Threesie Kings of <a href="/wiki/Leyton_Orient" class="mw-redirect" title="Leyton Orient">Orient</a> are, two in a taxi, one in a car</i> :) <a href="/wiki/User:Serial_Number_54129" title="User:Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:dark blue"><b>—SerialNumber54129</b></span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Serial_Number_54129" title="Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129"><span style="color:red"><b> paranoia /</b></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Serial_Number_54129" title="User talk:Serial Number 54129"><b>cheap sh*t room</b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T14:54:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:54, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a> <span data-mw-comment-end="c-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T14:54:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:54:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T14:54:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T13:54:00.000Z"></span><dl><small></small><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T15:03:00.000Z-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T14:54:00.000Z"></span>'ere mate, strike a light! I 'ad that <a href="/wiki/John_Henry_Hopkins_Jr." title="John Henry Hopkins Jr.">John Henry Hopkins Jr.</a> in the back of me Yuletide-rip-off cab, the uvver nite. ... and 'e left me a pair of is <a href="/wiki/Episcopal_sandals" title="Episcopal sandals">sandals</a> an' all!" Blimey Charlie! <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T15:03:00.000Z-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T14:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T15:03:00.000Z-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T14:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T15:03:00.000Z-Serial_Number_54129-2018-09-12T14:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-13T09:41:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T15:03:00.000Z"></span>I'm surprised nobody's created the Cockney Wikipedia. "<a href="/wiki/Michael_Barrymore" title="Michael Barrymore">Awight</a> mate, you can edit this <a href="/wiki/Parsley,_Sage,_Rosemary_and_Thyme" title="Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme">parsley and sage</a>!" <a href="/wiki/User:Ritchie333" title="User:Ritchie333"><b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333" title="User talk:Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ritchie333" title="Special:Contributions/Ritchie333"><sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Ritchie333-2018-09-13T09:41:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T15:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:41, 13 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-13T09:41:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T15:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ritchie333-2018-09-13T09:41:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2018-09-12T15:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-13T09:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-13T09:41:00.000Z"></span>But of course, <a href="/wiki/There_Goes_Rhymin%27_Simon" title="There Goes Rhymin' Simon">a folk classic</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Martinevans123" title="User:Martinevans123">Martinevans123</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Martinevans123" title="User talk:Martinevans123">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81#c-Martinevans123-2018-09-13T09:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-13T09:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:54, 13 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-13T09:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-13T09:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Martinevans123-2018-09-13T09:54:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-09-13T09:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81&oldid=1088054123">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ritchie333/Archive_81&oldid=1088054123</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 15 May 2022, at 23:36<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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