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mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by DanCherek subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl's allegations of gaslighting</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">1.2</span> <span>Some ANI discussions involving Laurel Lodged</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2</span> <span>Evidence presented by DIYeditor</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by DIYeditor subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl often makes accusations of malice</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">2.2</span> <span>Nederlandse Leeuw interaction with BrownHairedGirl at ANI</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_QEDK"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3</span> <span>Evidence presented by QEDK</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by QEDK subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">3.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl engages in battleground and IDHT behaviour</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4</span> <span>Evidence presented by Nederlandse Leeuw</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by Nederlandse Leeuw subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl not being WP:CIVIL</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.2</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl not recognising the importance of being WP:CIVIL</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from_Arbcom)" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from_Arbcom)"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.3</span> <span><s>Example of BHG having productive disagreements with other editors (question from Arbcom)</s></span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from_Arbcom)-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Analysis_of_apologies" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Analysis_of_apologies"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">4.4</span> <span>Analysis of apologies</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Analysis_of_apologies-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5</span> <span>Evidence presented by Laurel_Lodged</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by Laurel_Lodged subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL_2" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL_2"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl not being WP:CIVIL</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL_2-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Wiki-disciplinary-related_threats" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Wiki-disciplinary-related_threats"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.2</span> <span>Wiki-disciplinary-related threats</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Wiki-disciplinary-related_threats-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Lack_of_AGF" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Lack_of_AGF"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.3</span> <span>Lack of AGF</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Lack_of_AGF-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Justification_for_lack_of_AGF" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Justification_for_lack_of_AGF"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.4</span> <span>Justification for lack of AGF</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Justification_for_lack_of_AGF-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">5.5</span> <span>Assumed revenge as motive for SmallCat differences</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6</span> <span>Evidence presented by Oculi</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by Oculi subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.1</span> <span>Consensus at cfd in favour of upmerging/deleting small categories</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Some_examples_of_consensus_from_2020" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Some_examples_of_consensus_from_2020"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.1.1</span> <span>Some examples of consensus from 2020</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Some_examples_of_consensus_from_2020-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_small_categories_in_large_schemes_to_their_parents" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_small_categories_in_large_schemes_to_their_parents"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.1.2</span> <span>In April/May 2023 there was clear consensus at 53 cfds in favour of upmerging small categories in large schemes to their parents</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_small_categories_in_large_schemes_to_their_parents-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Several_editors_were_regular_contributors_and_made_consistent_comments_in_support_of_the_53_cfds" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Several_editors_were_regular_contributors_and_made_consistent_comments_in_support_of_the_53_cfds"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.1.2.1</span> <span>Several editors were regular contributors and made consistent comments in support of the 53 cfds</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Several_editors_were_regular_contributors_and_made_consistent_comments_in_support_of_the_53_cfds-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-There_were_several_different_closers" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-4"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#There_were_several_different_closers"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.1.2.2</span> <span>There were several different closers</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-There_were_several_different_closers-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_made_a_smallcat_nomination_on_2023_May_26" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_made_a_smallcat_nomination_on_2023_May_26"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.2</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl made a smallcat nomination on 2023 May 26</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_made_a_smallcat_nomination_on_2023_May_26-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_made_various_statements_about_the_obligations_of_the_nominator_on_2023_June_13" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_made_various_statements_about_the_obligations_of_the_nominator_on_2023_June_13"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.3</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl made various statements about the obligations of the nominator on 2023 June 13</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_made_various_statements_about_the_obligations_of_the_nominator_on_2023_June_13-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-There_was_no_tag_team" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#There_was_no_tag_team"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">6.4</span> <span>There was no tag team</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-There_was_no_tag_team-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_jc37" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_jc37"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7</span> <span>Evidence presented by jc37</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by jc37 subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-SmallCat_early_history" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#SmallCat_early_history"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.1</span> <span>SmallCat early history</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-SmallCat_early_history-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-BHG" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BHG"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.2</span> <span>BHG</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BHG-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-LL" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#LL"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">7.3</span> <span>LL</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-LL-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Pppery" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Pppery"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">8</span> <span>Evidence presented by Pppery</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Pppery-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Valereee"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>Evidence presented by Valereee</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by Valereee subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Laurel_Lodged_edits_disruptively/BHG_argues_constructively" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Laurel_Lodged_edits_disruptively/BHG_argues_constructively"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.1</span> <span>Laurel Lodged edits disruptively/BHG argues constructively</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Laurel_Lodged_edits_disruptively/BHG_argues_constructively-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.2</span> <span>Laurel Lodged refuses to communicate</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">9.3</span> <span>Deletion discussions are inherently contentious</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>Evidence presented by Tamzin</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by Tamzin subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl avoided incivility in a difficult dispute with Timfoley50</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Evidence Presented by Robert McClenon</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence Presented by Robert McClenon subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletion_discussions_are_contentious"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11.1</span> <span>Deletion discussions are contentious</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Evidence presented by Crouch, Swale</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Evidence presented by Red-tailed hawk</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by Red-tailed hawk subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_overturned" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_overturned"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13.1</span> <span>A recent block of BHG for allegedly violating a community sanction was swiftly overturned</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_overturned-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page_access_revoked" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page_access_revoked"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13.2</span> <span>A 12-hour block of BHG in October 2022 was followed by BHG having her talk page access revoked</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page_access_revoked-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Evidence presented by JaggedHamster</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by JaggedHamster subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relation_to_this_case" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relation_to_this_case"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl makes accusations of bad faith and lack of competence in relation to this case</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relation_to_this_case-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_MJL" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_MJL"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Evidence presented by MJL</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by MJL subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.1</span> <span>LL hides previous comments in violation of WP:TALK#REPLIED</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Previous_LL_misconduct" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Previous_LL_misconduct"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.2</span> <span>Previous LL misconduct</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Previous_LL_misconduct-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-Xenophobic_remarks_towards_The_Banner" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Xenophobic_remarks_towards_The_Banner"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.2.1</span> <span>Xenophobic remarks towards The Banner</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Xenophobic_remarks_towards_The_Banner-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Child_recruitment_ring_accusations" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Child_recruitment_ring_accusations"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.2.2</span> <span>Child recruitment ring accusations</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Child_recruitment_ring_accusations-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Misgenders_me" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Misgenders_me"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.2.3</span> <span>Misgenders me</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Misgenders_me-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Islamophobia" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Islamophobia"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.2.4</span> <span>Islamophobia</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Islamophobia-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-LL_and_categories" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#LL_and_categories"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.3</span> <span>LL and categories</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-LL_and_categories-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-2011_blocks_and_before" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#2011_blocks_and_before"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.3.1</span> <span>2011 blocks and before</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-2011_blocks_and_before-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-topic_ban_and_violation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#topic_ban_and_violation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.3.2</span> <span>topic ban and violation</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-topic_ban_and_violation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fram's_report" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-3"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fram's_report"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15.3.3</span> <span>Fram's report</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Fram's_report-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Evidence presented by mikeblas</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by mikeblas subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_is_not_particularly_WP:CIVIL_by_making_accusations_of_malice_or_incompetence" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_is_not_particularly_WP:CIVIL_by_making_accusations_of_malice_or_incompetence"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl is not particularly WP:CIVIL by making accusations of malice or incompetence</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_is_not_particularly_WP:CIVIL_by_making_accusations_of_malice_or_incompetence-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Evidence presented by Trainsandotherthings</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by Trainsandotherthings subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is_against_her" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is_against_her"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl engages in bludgeoning and does not respect consensus when it is against her</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is_against_her-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Evidence presented by RevelationDirect</span> </div> </a> <button aria-controls="toc-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect-sublist" class="cdx-button cdx-button--weight-quiet cdx-button--icon-only vector-toc-toggle"> <span class="vector-icon mw-ui-icon-wikimedia-expand"></span> <span>Toggle Evidence presented by RevelationDirect subsection</span> </button> <ul id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Claims_Other_Editors_are_Involved_in_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_at_CFD" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Claims_Other_Editors_are_Involved_in_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_at_CFD"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.1</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl Repeatedly Claims Other Editors are Involved in WP:TAGTEAM Meatpuppetry at CFD</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Claims_Other_Editors_are_Involved_in_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_at_CFD-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Promises_to_Provide_Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Promises_to_Provide_Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.2</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl Repeatedly Promises to Provide Diffs to Support Claims of WP:TAGTEAM Meatpuppetry</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Promises_to_Provide_Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_Have_Yet_To_Arrive_from_BrownHairedGirl" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_Have_Yet_To_Arrive_from_BrownHairedGirl"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.3</span> <span>Diffs to Support Claims of WP:TAGTEAM Meatpuppetry Have Yet To Arrive from BrownHairedGirl</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_Have_Yet_To_Arrive_from_BrownHairedGirl-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-After_this_ArbComm_Opened,_BrownHairedGirl_Claims_that_Providing_Diffs_is_Counterproductive" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#After_this_ArbComm_Opened,_BrownHairedGirl_Claims_that_Providing_Diffs_is_Counterproductive"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.4</span> <span>After this ArbComm Opened, BrownHairedGirl Claims that Providing Diffs is Counterproductive</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-After_this_ArbComm_Opened,_BrownHairedGirl_Claims_that_Providing_Diffs_is_Counterproductive-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Does_not_Assume_Good_Faith_or_Competency_More_Generally_for_CFD" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Does_not_Assume_Good_Faith_or_Competency_More_Generally_for_CFD"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.5</span> <span>BrownHairedGirl Repeatedly Does not Assume Good Faith or Competency More Generally for CFD</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Does_not_Assume_Good_Faith_or_Competency_More_Generally_for_CFD-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Engaging_in_a_Substantive_Discussion_of_SMALLCAT_Did_Not_Stop_the_Incivility_by_BrownHairedGirl" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Engaging_in_a_Substantive_Discussion_of_SMALLCAT_Did_Not_Stop_the_Incivility_by_BrownHairedGirl"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.6</span> <span>Engaging in a Substantive Discussion of SMALLCAT Did Not Stop the Incivility by BrownHairedGirl</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-Engaging_in_a_Substantive_Discussion_of_SMALLCAT_Did_Not_Stop_the_Incivility_by_BrownHairedGirl-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-CFD_is_Not_Usually_Contentious" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#CFD_is_Not_Usually_Contentious"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.7</span> <span>CFD is Not Usually Contentious</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-CFD_is_Not_Usually_Contentious-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-A_Prior_Community_Restriction_for_BrownHairedGirl_Did_Not_Prevent_Any_of_the_Incivility_Above" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-2"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#A_Prior_Community_Restriction_for_BrownHairedGirl_Did_Not_Prevent_Any_of_the_Incivility_Above"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18.8</span> <span>A Prior Community Restriction for BrownHairedGirl Did Not Prevent Any of the Incivility Above</span> </div> </a> <ul id="toc-A_Prior_Community_Restriction_for_BrownHairedGirl_Did_Not_Prevent_Any_of_the_Incivility_Above-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Evidence_presented_by_PamD" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Evidence_presented_by_PamD"> <div 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269:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-deleted"><div>*"The principle of not chopping things up into smallcats is long-established and uncontroversial, as is a threshold of about five (some editors advocate a higher number, but less than 5 starts getting silly)." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_30&oldid=986779624#Suburbs_of_Somerset_Region_smallcats BHG]</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td class="diff-context diff-side-added"><div>*"The principle of not chopping things up into smallcats is long-established and uncontroversial, as is a threshold of about five (some editors advocate a higher number, but less than 5 starts getting silly)." [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_30&oldid=986779624#Suburbs_of_Somerset_Region_smallcats BHG]</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td class="diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted"><div>* "The only frivolous/vexatious actions here is your 8-year-long run of creating categories without trying to populate them." 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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_2&oldid=971592307#Category:<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Bungo-%C5%8Dno</ins>,<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">_%C5%8Cita</ins> BHG]</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td class="diff-deletedline diff-side-deleted"><div>* "smallcats are an impediment to navigation, which is the primary purpose of categories" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_2&oldid=971592307#Category:<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Yoshinogawa</del>,<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">_Tokushima</del> BHG]</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td class="diff-addedline diff-side-added"><div>* "smallcats are an impediment to navigation, which is the primary purpose of categories" 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final decision.</li></ul> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230721164000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230721164000"></span>Evidence presented by DanCherek<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230721164000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230721164000"><span id="BrownHairedGirl.27s_allegations_of_gaslighting"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230721164000"></span>BrownHairedGirl's allegations of gaslighting<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230721164000"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DanCherek-20230721164000-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting"></span>On multiple occasions since the <i>Portals</i> case, BrownHairedGirl has asserted that other editors have engaged in <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gaslight#Verb" class="extiw" title="wikt:gaslight">gaslighting</a>. <s>The <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/75241197#Verb" class="extiw" title="wikt:Special:PermanentLink/75241197">Wiktionary entry</a> defines "gaslight" as "to <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/manipulate" class="extiw" title="wikt:manipulate">manipulate</a> someone such that they doubt their own <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/memory" class="extiw" title="wikt:memory">memory</a>, <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/perception" class="extiw" title="wikt:perception">perceptions</a> of reality, or <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sanity" class="extiw" title="wikt:sanity">sanity</a>, typically for <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/malevolent#Adjective" class="extiw" title="wikt:malevolent">malevolent</a> reasons".</s> <small><a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1166940440" title="Special:Diff/1166940440">modified</a> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#Comments_from_DanCherek" title="Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Evidence">talk page</a>, 18:32, 24 July 2023 (UTC)</small> </p> <table class="wikitable sortable plainrowheaders"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col">Accused editor </th> <th scope="col">Date </th> <th scope="col" class="unsortable">Diff(s) </th></tr> <tr> <td><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002020-03-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">March 2020</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=947551257">[1]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=947562171">[2]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=947547997">[3]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002020-04-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">April 2020</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=952606868">[4]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002020-07-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">July 2020</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=968439979">[5]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="2"><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002020-08-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">August 2020</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=974148446">[6]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=974287962">[7]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=974683772">[8]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=974695306">[9]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=974783024">[10]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002021-08-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">August 2021</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1037812890">[11]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002020-10-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">October 2020</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=982124030">[12]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002021-08-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">August 2021</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1037625466">[13]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002021-11-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">November 2021</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1056000917">[14]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td rowspan="2"><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002021-12-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">December 2021</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1062423492">[15]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002022-08-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">August 2022</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1107339021">[16]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1107491944">[17]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002022-04-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">April 2022</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1080582871">[18]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Nederlandse Leeuw </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002023-07-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">July 2023</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1164472185#c-BrownHairedGirl-20230707210200-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230707202700">[19]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1165954812">[20]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Laurel Lodged </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002023-07-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">July 2023</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1165954812">[21]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>Oculi </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002023-07-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">July 2023</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1165954812">[22]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td>RevelationDirect </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002023-07-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">July 2023</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1165954812">[23]</a> </td></tr> <tr> <td><i>non-party</i> </td> <td><span data-sort-value="000000002023-07-01-0000" style="white-space:nowrap">July 2023</span> </td> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1165959134">[24]</a> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p><a href="/wiki/User:DanCherek" title="User:DanCherek">DanCherek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DanCherek" title="User talk:DanCherek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-DanCherek-20230721164000-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DanCherek-20230721164000-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DanCherek-20230721164000-BrownHairedGirl's_allegations_of_gaslighting"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged" data-mw-thread-id="h-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230724032700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230724032700"></span>Some ANI discussions involving Laurel Lodged<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged-Evidence_presented_by_DanCherek-20230724032700"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DanCherek-20230724032700-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged"></span>April 2021 (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1065#Emptying_categories_out_of_process" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1065">link to ANI archive</a>) – Laurel Lodged was reported for emptying categories during ongoing CfD discussions. He was warned that further changes without consensus would result in a block <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1018914788">[25]</a>, and agreed to stop temporarily <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1018919498">[26]</a>. In the ensuing discussion, two editors suggested that further instances should result in a block <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1018967562">[27]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1019331520">[28]</a>. Others stated that a block would be excessive <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1019398847">[29]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1019413473">[30]</a>, and several editors suggested a topic ban from categories (or a subset of categories) <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1019102524">[31]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1019398847">[32]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1019413009">[33]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1019413473">[34]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1019440908">[35]</a>. The discussion was archived by a bot without formal closure.</li> <li>February 2022 (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1092#Laurel_Lodged_at_WP:AN" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1092">link to ANI archive</a>) – Laurel Lodged was reported for a comment he made in an Armenia/Azerbaijan-related topic ban appeal from another user. The ensuing discussion included a dispute over Laurel Lodged's use of incorrect pronouns, and Laurel Lodged referring to another user as "my favorite stalker" <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1072975536">[36]</a> and receiving a warning for that comment <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1073014333">[37]</a>. After some additional comments, the discussion was archived by a bot without formal closure, manually unarchived by the original reporter <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1074141967">[38]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1074177882">[39]</a>, and archived by a bot again without additional comments.</li> <li>July 2023 (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134">link to ANI archive</a>) – the ANI thread that precipitated this case. Parts of Laurel Lodged's initial comments about BrownHairedGirl were redacted for personal attacks <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1164472185#c-Laurel_Lodged-20230707074200-RevelationDirect-20230707033100">[40]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1164472185#c-Laurel_Lodged-20230707075600-Laurel_Lodged-20230707074200">[41]</a>, and he was warned that further comments about another editor's mental health would result in a block <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1164472185#c-Black_Kite-20230707084500-RevelationDirect-20230707033100">[42]</a>. Separate (sub)sections were started about Laurel Lodged's conduct at CfD <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1164472185#c-MJL-20230707202400-Laurel_Lodged_at_CfD">[43]</a> and TfD <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1165022282">[44]</a>, and various sanctions against Laurel Lodged were proposed, including a two-way interaction ban with BrownHairedGirl <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#Proposal_A:_IBAN_Between_User:BrownHairedGirl_and_User:Laurel_Lodged">[45]</a>; a one-way interaction ban regarding BrownHairedGirl <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#Proposal_C:_One-Way_IBAN_of_User:Laurel_Lodged_against_User:BrownHairedGirl">[46]</a>; a partial block from projectspace (withdrawn by proposer) <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#Proposal_E:_User:Laurel_Lodged_is_partially_blocked_from_projectspace">[47]</a>, and a restriction on CfD nominations <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#Thoughts_about_possible_restrictions">[48]</a>. The discussion was closed in favor of resolution at ArbCom.</li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:DanCherek" title="User:DanCherek">DanCherek</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DanCherek" title="User talk:DanCherek">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-DanCherek-20230724032700-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DanCherek-20230724032700-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DanCherek-20230724032700-Some_ANI_discussions_involving_Laurel_Lodged"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230709051600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230709051600"></span>Evidence presented by DIYeditor<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230709051600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230722175000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230722175000"></span>BrownHairedGirl often makes accusations of malice<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230722175000"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-20230722175000-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"></span>To augment DanCherek's list; right in the request for this case BHG did this same thing <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=1165959134">[49]</a> with gaslighting accusations. A pattern seems to emerge that when someone challenges her beliefs/assumptions, they are a vile/<u>vicious/nasty/despicable</u> gaslighting <s>bastard</s> <u>bully/thug</u> (and such),<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=947551257">[50]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=947562171">[51]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=947547997">[52]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1037812890">[53]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1062423492">[54]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1080582871">[55]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=974148446">[56]</a> when gaslighting properly means doing so <i>maliciously</i>, which she provides no real evidence for. Despite being told this in no unclear terms and that she is <i>not</i> gaslighting <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=1165965248">[57]</a> by doing essentially the same thing as the people she accuses, she turns this around <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=1165966731">[58]</a> into my accusing her of gaslighting, when again I explicitly said what she and El_C were doing is not gaslighting. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-DIYeditor-20230722175000-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-20230722175000-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-20230722175000-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-20230723061100-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"></span>I don't know if all these people are really that aggressively hostile toward her or not, but I don't see clear evidence of such in the allegations she has made in those diffs. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-DIYeditor-20230723061100-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-20230723061100-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-20230723061100-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-20230726030600-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"></span>In that ANI I asked (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-DIYeditor-20230707165600-1AmNobody24-20230707142500">16:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)</a>) BHG why not bring the accusations of bad faith to ANI and she indicated it was a dysfunctional venue. (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-BrownHairedGirl-20230707172500-DIYeditor-20230707165600">17:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-DIYeditor-20230726030600-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-20230726030600-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-20230726030600-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DIYeditor-20230726225400-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"></span>BHG quotes the WMF Code of Conduct herself<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=1165954812">[59]</a> and includes the terms "psychological manipulation" and "malicious" in the definition. I think the use of "vicious" right in this diff and the other adjectives above indicate an understanding that malice is part of the meaning. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-DIYeditor-20230726225400-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DIYeditor-20230726225400-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DIYeditor-20230726225400-BrownHairedGirl_often_makes_accusations_of_malice"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230709051600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230709051600"></span>Nederlandse Leeuw interaction with BrownHairedGirl at ANI<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI-Evidence_presented_by_DIYeditor-20230709051600"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-20230709051600-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI"></span>NL commented (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230707221600-BrownHairedGirl-20230707210200">22:16, 7 July 2023 (UTC)</a>) on BHG's persistent typos at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's lack of civility in CFD</a> which BHG took as mockery and indicated it was due to a broken keyboard (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-BrownHairedGirl-20230708015300-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230707221600">01:53, 8 July 2023 (UTC)</a>), to which NL responded (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230708083400-BrownHairedGirl-20230708015300">08:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)</a>) that such an admission invites more mockery, which is insensitive and not CIVIL I think. NL did apologise<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Workshop&diff=prev&oldid=1166909894">[60]</a> here in the Arbitration case, however BHG rejected the apology.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Workshop&diff=prev&oldid=1166923199">[61]</a> </p><p>NL also commented very extensively on the ANI and was warned by me (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-DIYeditor-20230709024100-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230709001900">02:41, 9 July 2023 (UTC)</a>), <u><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL">MJL</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-MJL-20230709051600-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230709000000">05:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)</a>), <a href="/wiki/User:WaltCip" title="User:WaltCip">WaltCip</a> (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-WaltCip-20230709115300-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230709092200">1:53, 9 July 2023 (UTC)</a>)</u>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Bastun" title="User:Bastun">Bastun</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1165061530">[62]</a> against BLUDGEONing the process. <a href="/wiki/User:DIYeditor" title="User:DIYeditor">—DIYeditor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:DIYeditor" title="User talk:DIYeditor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-MJL-20230709051600-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:06, 24 July 2023 (UTC)</a> 23:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-20230709051600-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-20230709051600-Nederlandse_Leeuw_interaction_with_BrownHairedGirl_at_ANI"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_QEDK" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK-20230722180900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK-20230722180900"></span>Evidence presented by <a href="/wiki/User:QEDK" title="User:QEDK">QEDK</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK-20230722180900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK-20230722180900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK-20230722180900"></span>BrownHairedGirl engages in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BATTLEGROUND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BATTLEGROUND">battleground</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDHT">IDHT</a> behaviour<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour-Evidence_presented_by_QEDK-20230722180900"></span></h3></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-QEDK-20230722180900-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour"></span>Link to evidence</a> </p> <ul><li>They agree that their allegations are strong claims here: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">I agree that my claims of vindictive, disruptive bad-faith tag-teaming are strong claims, which require evidence. The collation of that evidence is a big job, and as I noted below I will present it later, when I have collated it. But I stand my assertion. I will try to remember to ping you when I post it.</q> but fail to submit diffs where such statements are proved. I hope they submit their diffs during this phase.</li> <li>In their own words, they termed LL's comments as: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">They are pure snark, whose purpose is solely to score points, and to try to stoke a dispute in an otherwise highly productive discussion</q>. Then, in response, they decided on the following: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">So I inserted[22] a new level 2 header above LL's comments, to allow discussion of the navboxes to proceed uninterrupted.</q> More comments along these lines follow.</li> <li>In response to EI_C's (quite neutral) comment about housekeeping: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Well, whatever X the -FD is, it needs to be contained. Otherwise, outlining those grievances separately is hindering the normal operation of this noticeboard (such as it is)</q>, they replied with: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I am sorry to say that your decision to take action on grounds that are simply wrong (even the error was pointed out to you before your action) shows a lack of care. And I am sad to see the lack of apology when you belatedly decided to assert a different rationale.</q> More comments along these lines follow.</li> <li>In response to a discussion about their conduct: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">no, the core issue is your lack of WP:CIVIL. Don't go WP:OFFTOPIC, please. I suggest we close this irrelevant subsection</q>, they replied with: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">...this whole thread is entirely about a sprawling dispute which arises from the sytematic misuse of WP:SMALLCAT by a small set of editors. I do undestand that it suits some editors to ignore the sustance and to try make an ANI drama focused solely on the tone of my challenges to that sytematic misuse.</q> More comments along these lines follow.</li></ul> <p>That's all I have. --<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif"><a href="/wiki/User:QEDK" title="User:QEDK"><span style="color:#732">qedk</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:QEDK" title="User talk:QEDK"><span style="color:#732">t</span></a> <span style="color:#000">愛</span> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/QEDK" title="Special:Contributions/QEDK"><span style="color:#732">c</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-QEDK-20230722180900-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-QEDK-20230722180900-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-QEDK-20230722180900-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_battleground_and_IDHT_behaviour"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700"></span>Evidence presented by Nederlandse Leeuw<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723124900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723124900"></span>BrownHairedGirl not being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723124900"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723124900-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL"></span>Evidence previously gathered by: </p> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1039021442"><b>The community</b> on 05:58, 16 August 2021, putting BrownHairedGirl</a> under <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions">active, indefinite, escalatory incivility sanctions</a></li> <li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13&diff=prev&oldid=1160291641">Myself at CFD on 14:48, 15 June 2023</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134">RevelationDirect's ANI opening statement of 03:31, 7 July 2023</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134">1AmNobody24's ANI statement of 14:25, 7 July 2023</a> about BHG's previous sanctions for not being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a>, in particular <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals#BrownHairedGirl_desysopped">BHG's desysopping</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=BrownHairedGirl&type=block">BHG's blocklog</a></li></ul> <p>For further evidence, I defer to fellow editors and admins for now, including but not limited to this page and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD">the ANI archive page</a>. I think the evidence of BrownHairedGirl not being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a> is overwhelming. Instead, the focus of my case will be a demonstration of BrownHairedGirl <i>not recognising the importance of</i> being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a> in theory, which is crucial for understanding why we see so much evidence of her not being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a> in practice. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">Nederlandse Leeuw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723124900-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:49, 23 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723124900-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723124900-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700"></span>BrownHairedGirl not recognising the importance of being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL"></span>Link to evidence</a> (unless otherwise indicated)</li></ul> <p>Remember the ANI was about <i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134">BrownHairedGirl's lack of civility in CFD</a></i>. Not about quoting <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a> ad nauseam, but BHG's incivility towards anyone who disagrees with her interpretation/application of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a> (her main pet peeve). I've seen BrownHairedGirl respond to concerns/accusations of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNCIVIL">WP:UNCIVIL</a> conduct on her part in 2 main ways, neither of which is reassuring. </p> <ul><li><b>1. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IDHT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IDHT">WP:IDHT</a>: Dismissing/ignoring accusations, and trying to divert attention away to her pet peeves.</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>For example, the phrase <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">potential for growth</span> (a quote from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a>) is mentioned 31 times at the ANI, and in 28/31 cases this phrase was written by BHG or people quoting BHG. Nobody else really found it relevant for examining whether or not BHG had been uncivil, but BHG attempted diverting attention away from the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNCIVIL">WP:UNCIVIL</a> accusations, apparently not taking them seriously at all. <ul><li>At <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13#Expatriates_A-G" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 13">the Expatriates CfD</a>, after I raised serious <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a> concerns (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13&diff=prev&oldid=1160291641">Diff</a>), BHG replied: <ul><li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">That's just wikilawyering and offence-taking. The real issue here is [pet peeve],</span> 14:59, 15 June 2023 (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13&diff=prev&oldid=1160293475">Diff</a>)</li></ul></li> <li>On BHG's talk page, after RevelationDirect raised serious <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:5P4" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:5P4">WP:5P4</a> (civility) concerns (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1162657464">Diff</a>), BHG replied: <ul><li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">How about we avoid the drama boards, and you (...) accept that <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a> really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really <i>does</i> say that is about "potential for growth" rather than current pagecount.</span> 12:34, 30 June 2023 (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=next&oldid=1162657464">Diff</a>)</li> <li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">Frankly, I am utterly sick of wasting time on your tedious obsession with so-called "civility issues" while you evade [pet peeve]</span> 10:57, 2 July 2023 (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABrownHairedGirl&diff=1163005333&oldid=1162955577">Diff</a>)</li></ul></li> <li>At the ANI: <ul><li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">this [ANI] is an attempt to invoke "civility" to punish criticism of [pet peeve]</span> 09:31, 7 July 2023</li> <li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">So yet again, you wholly ignore [pet peeve]</span> 12:53, 7 July 2023</li> <li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">You a[nd a] few others want to [ma]ke it about me. (...) I have taken a stand agai[n]st [pet peeve]</span> 13:53, 7 July 2023</li> <li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">I don't want anyo[n]e sanctioned. I just want the hounding and the tag-teaming to stop, and [pet peeve]</span> 15:31, 7 July 2023</li></ul></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>2. <a href="/wiki/Tu_quoque_defense" title="Tu quoque defense"><i>Tu quoque</i> defences</a>: Accusing others of <i>also</i> engaging in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNCIVIL">WP:UNCIVIL</a> conduct.</b></li></ul> <dl><dd>Merely disagreeing with her interpretation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PG">WP:PG</a>, or even not fully quoting her interpretation, itself supposedly constitutes <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNCIVIL">WP:UNCIVIL</a> behaviour. <ul><li>At the ANI: <ul><li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">It seems to me to be deeply uncivil to treat my observation of that fundamental omiss[i]on as a civi[l]ity issue (...), and to omit in your complaint any mention of [pet peeve].</span> 09:54, 7 July 2023</li> <li><span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">you make no apology for entirely om[i]tting to ment[i]on [pet peeve]. That is not my idea of how to treat another editor with civility. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civil" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Civil">WP:civil</a> says "editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect".</span> 12:53, 7 July 2023</li></ul></li></ul> <dl><dd>She does this regularly, apparently believing/hoping that incivility accusations against her critics will cancel out <i>their</i> incivility accusations against herself. (LilianaUwU also pointed this tactic out on 20:05, 7 July 2023).</dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Conclusion:</b> Even if other people may have been <i>uncivil to her</i>, BrownHairedGirl <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">[does not] want anyone sanctioned</span>, and to <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">avoid the drama boards</span>. She wants <i>the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility" title="Wikipedia:Civility">Wikipedia:Civility</a> guideline to remain unenforced</i>, not least because <i>she has been sanctioned for incivility in the past</i> ( <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals#BrownHairedGirl_desysopped">1</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ABrownHairedGirl">2</a>, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1039021442">3</a>), and <i><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions">still is under active, indefinite, escalatory incivility sanctions</a></i>.</li></ul> <dl><dd>BrownHairedGirl's entire strategy is to ad nauseam repeat her pet peeves in order to divert attention away from her own incivility. In doing so, BrownHairedGirl commits yet more incivility, whilst simultaneously counter-accusing others of supposed incivility (whenever it tactically suits her) or other supposed violations, all the while arguing nobody should actually be sanctioned for incivility (highly ironic).</dd> <dd>The level of incivility BHG appears to believe everyone should find acceptable and unsanctionable, even against herself, is astonishing. The fact that <i>during</i> an ANI about <i>BrownHairedGirl's lack of civility in CFD</i>, she <i>repeatedly was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNCIVIL">WP:UNCIVIL</a> according to many participants</i> (see evidence provided by others), also seems to confirm <i>BrownHairedGirl is not recognising the importance of being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a>.</i> As long as it remains unenforced, BHG herself can (and apparently does) engage in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UNCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UNCIVIL">WP:UNCIVIL</a> conduct.</dd></dl> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">Nederlandse Leeuw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:47, 23 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230723094700-BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from_Arbcom)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728160000"><span id="Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_.28question_from_Arbcom.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728160000"></span><s>Example of BHG having productive disagreements with other editors (question from Arbcom)</s><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728160000"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728160000-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from"></span>Edit: I had posted evidence here of a productive disagreement I had with BHG on 12–13 June 2023 (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase%2FSmallCat_dispute%2FEvidence&diff=1166919202&oldid=1166913057">Diff</a>), but apparently she has no memory of it (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase%2FSmallCat_dispute%2FWorkshop&diff=1166923199&oldid=1166923186">Diff</a>): <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">My experience of you so far has all been of this SMALLCAT-related dispute.</span> So I'll just <i>retract this evidence</i>. <a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">Nederlandse Leeuw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728160000-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728160000-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728160000-Example_of_BHG_having_productive_disagreements_with_other_editors_(question_from"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Analysis_of_apologies" data-mw-thread-id="h-Analysis_of_apologies-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728151500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Analysis_of_apologies-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728151500"></span>Analysis of apologies<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Analysis_of_apologies-Evidence_presented_by_Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728151500"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Workshop#Analysis_of_apologies" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Workshop"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728151500-Analysis_of_apologies"></span>Link to evidence</a></li></ul> <ul><li>On 24 July, I made a public apology to BHG over two comments I made (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase%2FSmallCat_dispute%2FWorkshop&diff=1166909894&oldid=1166895016">Diff</a>), but she rejected it (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase%2FSmallCat_dispute%2FWorkshop&diff=1166923199&oldid=1166923186">Diff</a>). At first I really didn't understand, but several days later, I do: BHG steadily prioritises acknowledgement of her own personal interpretation of policies/guidelines being correct over the importance of being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a> (which <a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#BrownHairedGirl_not_recognising_the_importance_of_being_WP:CIVIL">BHG doesn't seem to recognise</a>). <a href="/wiki/User:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User:Nederlandse Leeuw">Nederlandse Leeuw</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nederlandse_Leeuw" title="User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728151500-Analysis_of_apologies" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:15, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728151500-Analysis_of_apologies"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230728151500-Analysis_of_apologies"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900"></span>Evidence presented by Laurel_Lodged<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL_2-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL_2-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"></span>BrownHairedGirl not being <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_not_being_WP:CIVIL_2-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"></span></h3></div> <p>Not sure if the evidence below is new or has been adduced by others. So much has been written…My word count excludes bytes from diffs. As others have written, BHG gets high-handed and impatient in discussions. She tends to go to rough language too quickly. A huge knowledge of wiki policies and immense amount of wiki-experience makes her erasable with those with less experience. This is not a licence to be uncivil. Discussions in other forums to curb her incivility have largely failed because the community is afraid of losing such a prolific, and generally constructive, editor. All these undoubted skills have tended to produce an unhealthy level of pride in BHG, a pride that will brook no criticism. The pride, when struck, very quickly resorts to abuse. Her underlying assumption seems to be that since she is (always) right, then any comment to the contrary must be the result of incompetence, a desire to insult her or part of an elaborate conspiracy to undermine her. As a result, we see a lack of assumption of good faith (AGF), theories about teams out to get her and wiki-disciplinary threats. This is not good for me nor for the project since no new editor in CFD space would wish to enter such a hostile environment. At no point is there evidence of introspection or acknowledgement of hurt caused by this incivility; in the absence of a <a href="/wiki/Mea_culpa" title="Mea culpa">mea culpa</a>, let alone contrition, no voluntary change in behaviour can be expected. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Wiki-disciplinary-related_threats" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wiki-disciplinary-related_threats-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wiki-disciplinary-related_threats-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"></span>Wiki-disciplinary-related threats<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wiki-disciplinary-related_threats-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"></span></h3></div> <ul><li>"If that guideline-flouting is upheld, then a DRV is the appropriate venue to review that."<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1162411815">[63]</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Lack_of_AGF" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lack_of_AGF-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lack_of_AGF-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"></span>Lack of AGF<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lack_of_AGF-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"></span></h3></div> <ul><li>"…yet another blatantly bad faith nomination by a highly-experienced editor w[sic] persistently refuses to apply te[sic] actual guideline <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUBCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUBCAT">WP:SUBCAT</a>, and who is par[sic] of a tag team.."<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2023_June_24&diff=1162524231&oldid=1162519850">[64]</a></li> <li>"…when editors tag-team to abuse the CFD process…"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2023_June_24&diff=1162632284&oldid=1162611536">[65]</a></li> <li>"There has been a systematic efforts by a tag team (in which Oculi is one of the two main players) to radically misrepresent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a>…"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1162646298">[66]</a></li> <li>"…a bad faith nom targeting one editor…" and "…supported by a tag team."<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1162485021">[67]</a></li> <li>"..you flagrantly disregard...” and “…your decision to misrepresent the guideline…"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1162478406">[68]</a></li> <li>"…it is extremely disruptive to misrepresent <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a> and to abuse it as a weapon to demolish categorisation"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1162392897">[69]</a></li> <li>"… a malicious nomination by a nominator wo[sic] has wholly disregarded the actual wording of WP:SMALLCAT, ignoring bot[sic] the "no potential for growth" headline and the "existing series" clause"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1162388733">[70]</a></li> <li>"…as a demonstration of LL's bad faith, LL made no response to the expansion of the categories…" That one is actually true – I made no reply. This is to the infamous addition of <b>246</b> categories in the middle of a nomination. I’m still torn between admiration of the talent that it took to do such a mass nom whilst simultaneous reeling in horror when I think of the mindset that could commit such an act.<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1161705467">[71]</a></li> <li>"I don[sic] not believe that you ae[sic] acting in good faith"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1161885541">[72]</a></li> <li>"this is a rushed, vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1161886580">[73]</a></li> <li>"That appears to be the aim of LL@s stalking"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1161891800">[74]</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Justification_for_lack_of_AGF" data-mw-thread-id="h-Justification_for_lack_of_AGF-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Justification_for_lack_of_AGF-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"></span>Justification for lack of AGF<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Justification_for_lack_of_AGF-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged"></span></h3></div> <ul><li>"I assume good faith until the assumption becomes untenable…"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1161704090">[75]</a></li> <li>"A good faith editor would at this stage withdraw the nomination, and apologise both the failure to read WP:SMALLCAT…"<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1161710153">[76]</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences" data-mw-thread-id="h-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900"></span>Assumed revenge as motive for SmallCat differences<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences-Evidence_presented_by_Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences"></span>"It follows a series if[sic] unpleasant and/or hostile encounters with you since I challenged your huge nominations in which you offered no evidence of having done any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a>, and where you ignored my calls for it to be provided."<a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1161712511">[77]</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Laurel_Lodged" title="User:Laurel Lodged">Laurel Lodged</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Laurel_Lodged" title="User talk:Laurel Lodged">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:09, 23 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Laurel_Lodged-20230723140900-Assumed_revenge_as_motive_for_SmallCat_differences"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Oculi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi-20230801144800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi-20230801144800"></span>Evidence presented by Oculi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi-20230801144800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"><span id="Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging.2Fdeleting_small_categories"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"></span>Consensus at cfd in favour of upmerging/deleting small categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Some_examples_of_consensus_from_2020" data-mw-thread-id="h-Some_examples_of_consensus_from_2020-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Some_examples_of_consensus_from_2020-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories"></span>Some examples of consensus from 2020<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Some_examples_of_consensus_from_2020-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories"></span></h4></div> <table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Cfd</th> <th>Date</th> <th>Nominator</th> <th>Closer</th> <th>result</th> <th>Contributors </th></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_17&oldid=984995281#Suburbs_of_the_Gold_Coast_smallcats">[78]</a> </td> <td>2020 July 17 </td> <td>BHG </td> <td>MER-C </td> <td>Delete </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_17&oldid=984995281#Suburbs_of_Sydney_smallcats">[79]</a> </td> <td>2020 July 17 </td> <td>BHG </td> <td>FL </td> <td>Delete most </td> <td>AL-, Deus-, MC, Euryalus - Contentious </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_17&oldid=984995281#Suburbs_of_Maitland,_New_South_Wales">[80]</a> </td> <td>2020 July 17 </td> <td>BHG </td> <td>FL </td> <td>Delete most </td> <td>AL-, Deus-, MC - Contentious </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_30&oldid=986779624#Suburbs_of_Somerset_Region_smallcats">[81]</a> </td> <td>2020 August 30 </td> <td>BHG </td> <td>MER-C </td> <td>Delete </td> <td>Wolfgang8741-, MC, Peterkingiron </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_2&oldid=971592307#Category:Bungo-%C5%8Dno,_%C5%8Cita">[82]</a> </td> <td>2020 July 2 </td> <td>BHG </td> <td>buidhe </td> <td>Keep (populated) </td> <td>Nihonjoe, Maculosae tegmine lyncis, RevelationDirect, Marcocapelle </td></tr></tbody></table> <ul><li>AL = AussieLegend, Deus = Deus et lex, BHG = BrownHairedGirl</li></ul> <ul><li>"AussieLegend, you did cherrypick the guideline, repeatedly. And you are still at it.<div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div>Now that you have finally chosen to acknowledge the existence of the phrase "<i>realistic </i>potential for growth", you have done a volte-face on your earlier position about there not being enough editors. Since you offer no evidence of any likely influx of editors, there is no realistic hope of expansion, just a faith in magic." <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_17&oldid=984995281#Suburbs_of_Sydney_smallcats">BHG</a> (where BHG's argument is based on the word 'realistic')</li></ul> <ul><li>"If and when articles are created that make a category viable, the category can be recreated." <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_30&oldid=986779624#Suburbs_of_Somerset_Region_smallcats">BHG</a></li></ul> <ul><li>"the practice at CFD for over for the 14 years I have been involved has consistently been to remove such categories unless they meet a minimum size threshold" <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_30&oldid=986779624#Suburbs_of_Somerset_Region_smallcats">BHG</a></li></ul> <ul><li>"The principle of not chopping things up into smallcats is long-established and uncontroversial, as is a threshold of about five (some editors advocate a higher number, but less than 5 starts getting silly)." <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_30&oldid=986779624#Suburbs_of_Somerset_Region_smallcats">BHG</a></li> <li>"The only frivolous/vexatious actions here is your 8-year-long run of creating categories without trying to populate them." <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_2&oldid=971592307#Category:Bungo-%C5%8Dno,_%C5%8Cita">BHG</a></li> <li>"smallcats are an impediment to navigation, which is the primary purpose of categories" <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_2&oldid=971592307#Category:Bungo-%C5%8Dno,_%C5%8Cita">BHG</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_small_categories_in_large_schemes_to_their_parents" data-mw-thread-id="h-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories"><span id="In_April.2FMay_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_small_categories_in_large_schemes_to_their_parents"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories"></span>In April/May 2023 there was clear consensus at 53 cfds in favour of upmerging small categories in large schemes to their parents<span data-mw-comment-end="h-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm-Consensus_at_cfd_in_favour_of_upmerging/deleting_small_categories"></span></h4></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256386598">.mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#F0F2F5;color:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#CCFFCC;color:inherit}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-mainspace{background:#14181F;color:inherit}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cot-header-other{background:#003500;color:inherit}}</style> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Sortable table of 53 smallcat cfds mostly in May 2023</div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <table class="wikitable sortable"> <caption>Smallcat nominations at cfd </caption> <tbody><tr> <th style="max-width:2em">Cfd</th> <th>By</th> <th>Date</th> <th>Nominator</th> <th>Closer</th> <th>result</th> <th>Contributors </th></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_29&oldid=1160756446#Curling_clubs_by_year">1</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 29 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, NL, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_29&oldid=1160756446#Years_of_the_18th_century_in_Austria_(until_1803)">2</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 29 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>Aidan721, NL, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_28&oldid=1160755320#Wildfires_by_country">3</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 28 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_26&oldid=1160750638#Expatriates">4</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 26 </td> <td>Oculi </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Manual Merge </td> <td>Crowsus, NL, MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_26&oldid=1160750638#Years_in_Canada">5</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 26 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_26&oldid=1160750638#Subcats_of_People_from_Cobh">6</a> </td> <td>people from </td> <td>2023 May 26 </td> <td>BHG </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Crowsus, Oculi </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_23&oldid=1161755304#Category:Language_policy_by_country">7</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 23 </td> <td>NL </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Oculi, JAAqqO, WAS, RD, Aidan721, Kaffet i halsen </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_23&oldid=1161755304#Tsunamis_(2)">8</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 23 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_23&oldid=1161755304#Category:Japanese_cheeses">9</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 23 </td> <td>QuietHere </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, NL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_18&oldid=1160618212#Earthquakes_in_the_United_States_(2)">10</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 18 </td> <td>Lights and freedom </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Aidan721, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_16&oldid=1160609522#Meadows">11</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 16 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>RD, Peterkingiron </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_14&oldid=1157920461#Sexologists">12</a> </td> <td>occupation </td> <td>2023 May 14 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>Aidan721, RD, Oculi </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_13&oldid=1162006133#Category:People_from_Puttalam">13</a> </td> <td>people from </td> <td>2023 May 13 </td> <td>Monhiroe </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_13&oldid=1162006133#Wildfires">14</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 13 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>Aidan721 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_11&oldid=1157920528#More_emigrants">15</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2023 May 11 </td> <td>Oculi </td> <td>Timrollpickering </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, LL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_11&oldid=1157920528#Disasters_in_the_Ottoman_Empire">16</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 11 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Oculi, RD, GodzillamanRor </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_9&oldid=1161334170#Category:13th-century_Russian_princesses">17</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2023 May 9 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>Aidan721, LL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_9&oldid=1161334170#Earthquakes_in_the_United_States">18</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 9 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, LL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_9&oldid=1161334170#Floods_in_the_United_States">19</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 9 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, LL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_9&oldid=1161334170#Wildfires_in_the_United_States">20</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 9 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>Explicit </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_8&oldid=1162007877#Music_festivals_by_date_of_establishment">21</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 8 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, NL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_8&oldid=1162007877#Category:Companies_based_in_Winchester,_Massachusetts">22</a> </td> <td>city </td> <td>2023 May 8 </td> <td>Namiba </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Aidan721 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_8&oldid=1162007877#Category:Festivals_established_in_the_12th_century">23</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 8 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Peterkingiron, LL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_8&oldid=1162007877#Recurring_events">24</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 8 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>Qwerfjkl </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Peterkingiron, LL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_7&oldid=1162010814#Volcanic_eruptions_by_country">25</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 7 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>Qwerfjkl </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_7&oldid=1162010814#People_of_the_Thirty_Years%27_War">26</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2023 May 7 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>ClydeFranklin </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Peterkingiron </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_7&oldid=1162010814#Emigrants_from_former_countries">27</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 7 </td> <td>Oculi </td> <td>TRP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Aidan721, Fram </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_6&oldid=1161153118#Years_of_the_17th_century_in_Austria">28</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 6 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>Aidan721, RD, Lenticel, LL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_5&oldid=1162631165#Floods_by_country">29</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 5 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>LL, Joseph2302, MC, BDuke, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_5&oldid=1162631165#Category:Emigrants_from_the_United_Kingdom_to_Portuguese_Mozambique">30</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2023 May 5 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>FL </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>Oculi, LL, Aidan721 </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_4&oldid=1162817860#Droughts_by_country">31</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 4 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_4&oldid=1162817860#Avalanches_by_country">32</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 4 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_28&oldid=1160755320#Wildfires_by_country">33</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 28 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_4&oldid=1162817860#Landslides_by_country">34</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 4 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_4&oldid=1162817860#Category:Cold_waves_in_Ireland">35</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 4 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>Pppery </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, LL </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_4&oldid=1162817860#Earthquakes_by_country">36</a> </td> <td>country </td> <td>2023 May 4 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_3&oldid=1160093524#Terrorist_incidents_in_Spain">37</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 3 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_2&oldid=1161151252#Terrorist_incidents_in_Algeria">38</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 2 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_2&oldid=1161151252#Terrorist_incidents_in_Mexico">39</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 2 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_2&oldid=1161151252#Terrorist_incidents_in_Tunisia_and_Libya">40</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 May 2 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_29&oldid=1160860902#French_emigrants">41</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2023 April 29 </td> <td>Oculi </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, LL, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_29&oldid=1160860902#Earthquakes_by_year">42</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 April 29 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, LL, Oculi </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_4&oldid=1117277650#Category:Emigrants_from_the_Ottoman_Empire_to_British_India">43</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2022 October 4 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>FL </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>Mugtheboss, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_4&oldid=1117277650#Category:Emigrants_from_the_United_States_to_British_India">44</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2022 October 4 </td> <td>MC </td> <td>FL </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, Peterkingiron, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_28&oldid=1162012357#Belgian_emigrants">45</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2023 April 28 </td> <td>Oculi </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, NL, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_27&oldid=1162030163#Floods_in_North_America_by_decade">46</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 April 27 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_27&oldid=1162030163#Floods_by_decade">47</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 April 27 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>TRP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_27&oldid=1162030163#Mandatory_Palestine_expatriates">48</a> </td> <td>nationality </td> <td>2023 April 27 </td> <td>LL </td> <td>Qwerfjkl </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>Oculi, LP, MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_27&oldid=1162030163#Floods_by_decade_(pt._2)">49</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 April 27 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_27&oldid=1162030163#Floods_by_century">50</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 April 27 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td> </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_27&oldid=1162030163#Earthquakes_by_century">51</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 April 27 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_27&oldid=1162030163#Category:19th-century_avalanches">52</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 April 27 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC </td></tr> <tr> <td><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_27&oldid=1162030163#Festivals_by_year_of_establishment">53</a> </td> <td>year </td> <td>2023 April 27 </td> <td>Aidan721 </td> <td>LP </td> <td>Merge </td> <td>MC, RD </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>MC=Marcocapelle, RD=RevelationDirect, LP=LaundryPizza, FL=Fayenatic London, TRP = TimRollPickering, NL=Nederlandse Leeuw, LL=Laurel Lodged </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>In the table, 53 cfd discussions were all upmerged, usually unanimously, and usually without controversy (per precedents, per previous consensus). I have a larger table of 150 cfds going back to Jan 2023: only 2 of these were closed as 'keep'. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="Several_editors_were_regular_contributors_and_made_consistent_comments_in_support_of_the_53_cfds" data-mw-thread-id="h-Several_editors_were_regular_contributors_and_made_consistent_comments_in_suppor-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Several_editors_were_regular_contributors_and_made_consistent_comments_in_suppor-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm"></span>Several editors were regular contributors and made consistent comments in support of the 53 cfds<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Several_editors_were_regular_contributors_and_made_consistent_comments_in_suppor-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm"></span></h5></div> <p>These include Marcocappelle (>20), Laurel Lodged (>10), Nederlandse Leeuw (6), RevelationDirect (>20), Oculi (7), Peterkingiron (4) and Aidan721 (>20 including noms). </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading5"><h5 id="There_were_several_different_closers" data-mw-thread-id="h-There_were_several_different_closers-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-There_were_several_different_closers-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm"></span>There were several different closers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-There_were_several_different_closers-In_April/May_2023_there_was_clear_consensus_at_53_cfds_in_favour_of_upmerging_sm"></span></h5></div> <p>Closers included Pppery, Qwerfjkl, Explicit, Timrollpickering, LaundryPizza, Fayenatic London, ClydeFranklin. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_made_a_smallcat_nomination_on_2023_May_26" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_made_a_smallcat_nomination_on_2023_May_26-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_made_a_smallcat_nomination_on_2023_May_26-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"></span>BrownHairedGirl made a smallcat nomination on 2023 May 26<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_made_a_smallcat_nomination_on_2023_May_26-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"></span></h3></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_26&oldid=1160750638#Subcats_of_People_from_Cobh">6</a>. BHG, the nominator, had not done any <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> (which in fact applies to AFD, not CFD), as <a href="/wiki/User:Crowsus" title="User:Crowsus">user:Crowsus</a> easily found a dozen sportspeople, and <a href="/wiki/Category:People_from_Cobh" title="Category:People from Cobh">Category:People from Cobh</a> now has 44 pages (including those in subcats). BHG argued that <a href="/wiki/Category:Sportspeople_from_Cobh" title="Category:Sportspeople from Cobh">Category:Sportspeople from Cobh</a> is not part of a larger scheme, and yet it is part of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Sportspeople_by_city_or_town&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Sportspeople by city or town (page does not exist)">Category:Sportspeople by city or town</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_made_various_statements_about_the_obligations_of_the_nominator_on_2023_June_13" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_made_various_statements_about_the_obligations_of_the_nominator_o-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_made_various_statements_about_the_obligations_of_the_nominator_o-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"></span>BrownHairedGirl made various statements about the obligations of the nominator on 2023 June 13<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_made_various_statements_about_the_obligations_of_the_nominator_o-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi"></span></h3></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13&diff=prev&oldid=1160211109">diff</a>. "*<b>Note to closer</b>. This nomiation is deeply flawed: </p> <dl><dd><ol><li>It has no <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a></li> <li>it ignores the guideline <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a>'s restriction to categories with "no potential for growth", without indication of any assessment of such potential</li> <li>#it ignores the guideline <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a>'s exception for categories whch are part of an established series, as these are."</li></ol></dd></dl> <p>BHG's own nomination (above) suffers from the exact same 'flaws'. A remarkable reversal of views in a few short days. Moreover the word 'realistic' has been dropped from "no <i>realistic </i>potential for growth"; Aussielegend was castigated at length for this ("your decision to repeat the misrepresentation cannot be due to misunderstanding; is clear evidence that your deceit is intentional. Please stop the deception, and adopt the sort of honest conduct which is esential to effective collaboration" - <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_17&oldid=984995281#Suburbs_of_Sydney_smallcats">BHG</a>). </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="There_was_no_tag_team" data-mw-thread-id="h-There_was_no_tag_team-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi-20230801144800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-There_was_no_tag_team-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi-20230801144800"></span>There was no tag team<span data-mw-comment-end="h-There_was_no_tag_team-Evidence_presented_by_Oculi-20230801144800"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Oculi-20230801144800-There_was_no_tag_team"></span>The editors arguing in favour of merging small categories are merely the same editors repeating the views they have expressed consistently at cfd after cfd for months. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Oculi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Oculi">Oculi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Oculi" title="User talk:Oculi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Oculi-20230801144800-There_was_no_tag_team" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Oculi-20230801144800-There_was_no_tag_team"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Oculi-20230801144800-There_was_no_tag_team"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_jc37" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230724142100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230724142100"></span>Evidence presented by jc37<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230724142100"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="SmallCat_early_history" data-mw-thread-id="h-SmallCat_early_history-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230724142100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SmallCat_early_history-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230724142100"></span>SmallCat early history<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SmallCat_early_history-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230724142100"></span></h3></div> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jc37-20230724142100-SmallCat_early_history"></span>In November 2006, <a href="/wiki/User:Radiant!" title="User:Radiant!">User:Radiant!</a> created the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Overcategorization" title="Wikipedia:Overcategorization">Wikipedia:Overcategorization</a> page, based upon <i>many</i> CfD discussion results - <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization&oldid=89646797">[83]</a></li></ul> <ul><li>In December 2006, Radiant! added the section "No potential for growth" to Wikipedia:Overcategorization - <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization&diff=next&oldid=95720486">[84]</a></li></ul> <p>As can be seen, originally, "No potential for growth" was the title. The title did not use the word "small", until I added it several edits later: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization&diff=next&oldid=95879690">[85]</a>. </p> <ul><li>In August 2007, Radiant! changed the words "two or three" to "a handful" - <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization&diff=next&oldid=151450715">[86]</a></li></ul> <ul><li>Then "a handful" changed to "a few" (by me), in the next edit - <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization&diff=next&oldid=151580830">[87]</a></li></ul> <p>There were many reasons to change from a set number. For one thing, it had become divisive. Things were getting nominated due to numbers alone, without actually looking to see if it was part of an overall system. (And had also begun to be set for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy">Speedy Deletion</a>.) As can be seen, "Songs by artist" had really become contentious over this. For example, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization&diff=prev&oldid=95756125">this</a> was the edit right after Radiant! initially added the section. Which was then re-written in the next edit <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization&diff=prev&oldid=95765092">here</a>. </p><p>Another reason is semi-related - <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GAMING" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GAMING">gaming the system</a>. If you set a finite amount, then: <i>"anything over that amount should be an automatic Keep, right?"</i> Or so went the argument. It also was leading to category "stuffing". As it's not that difficult to find anything anywhere that could maybe fit under a category, just to prevent its deletion. </p><p>So an indeterminate amount, handled on a case-by-case basis at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFD">WP:CFD</a>, was seen to be better. </p><p>That said, there have always been those who want a set amount, because they have the seeming idealistic hope that it would reduce discussions at CfD, or that it might dissuade category creators from making small categories. Neither of which has been proven out over the years. - <b><a href="/wiki/User:Jc37" title="User:Jc37">jc37</a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Jc37-20230724142100-SmallCat_early_history" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 24 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jc37-20230724142100-SmallCat_early_history"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jc37-20230724142100-SmallCat_early_history"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BHG" data-mw-thread-id="h-BHG-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230727170000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BHG-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230727170000"></span>BHG<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BHG-Evidence_presented_by_jc37-20230727170000"></span></h3></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20230727170000-BHG"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">More a general comment about the nature of submitting evidence in an arbcom case than evidence itself. <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Barkeep49-20230727170000-BHG" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20230727170000-BHG"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20230727170000-BHG"></span></div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p>I've given a fair amount of thought about whether I should go and start listing examples. </p><p>I am conflicted on this. </p><p>Are there, in my estimation, a lot to choose from? sure. Would I feel like I'm cherry-picking what might seem the worst? yeah, kinda. </p><p>The problem, which I think others may be running into as well, is that, well, it's like having 2 <a href="/wiki/Number_line" title="Number line">number lines</a>. One marked at each end "civil" and "uncivil", and the other marked "collegiate" and at the other end "battleground". </p><p>On any edit, I find I'm subjectively trying to decide where on those 2 number lines do the edits apply. </p><p>And worse, we <i><b>want</b></i> discussion. And "lively" collegiate debate is a part of that. As I think I said elsewhere, it's the crucible through which we can at times find and determine consensus. </p><p>So we're kind of in a situation of "You know it when you see it". </p><p>Plus, a lot of what I could show, while they may not have been brought up at "portals", may pre-date that, as this has been an ongoing situation for some time. </p><p>So I'm not going to. Which makes me also feel bad, because at the AN/I thread I was noting that this is unlikely to be resolved, and here I am, not helping when the opportunity seems to be here. </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <p>I will quote someone else though, who I think nailed it pretty well. At time stamp 16:08, 12 July 2023, <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">User:Valereee</a> said: </p> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1244412712">.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@media(min-width:500px){.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{padding-left:1.6em}}</style><blockquote class="templatequote"> <p><b>Oppose</b> topic ban. It's not the topic, it's the incivility. BHG, honestly, I'm seriously asking: why can't you control yourself when interacting with other editors? What is it going to take to get you to comply with CIVILITY? What is it going to take for you to stop fucking talking about other people? What is it going to take to get you to stop using the words vindictive, malicious, stalking, tag-teaming, bad faith, revenge? You are a highly-valued editor. We:re how long it's taking you to find diffs: IMO you should never, ever, ever again talk about another editor's behavior without providing a diff in real time. </p> </blockquote> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="LL" data-mw-thread-id="h-LL-Evidence_presented_by_jc37"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-LL-Evidence_presented_by_jc37"></span>LL<span data-mw-comment-end="h-LL-Evidence_presented_by_jc37"></span></h3></div> <p>So to find some examples for my comment <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Preliminary_statements#Statement_by_jc37" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Preliminary statements">here</a>, I went through a lot of CfD pages. And in general, LL tends to be civil, and even have fun and joke with other participants (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_7#Category:People_or_corpses_dragged_behind_a_vehicle" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 7">this</a> for example. </p><p>But then I started to see things like <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_28&diff=prev&oldid=1163822004">this</a> lately (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_28#Parks_by_year_of_establishment" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 28">full discussion</a>). Which I guess isn't "bad" on its own, per se, but in context of other edits and the current situation, seems to be what I called it: <i>"barely-not-quite-pointy behaviour"</i>. </p><p>So maybe it could just be this battleground situation with BHG that's causing this. I don't know. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Pppery" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Pppery"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Pppery"></span>Evidence presented by Pppery<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Pppery"></span></h2></div> <p>Since an arbitrator asked at the workshop <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Are there examples of BHG having productive disagreements with other editors?</q>, I present <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland#Organisation_of_constituencies" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland#Organisation of constituencies</a>, which took place during the same time frame as the ANI thread that spawned this case and seems to involve productive disagreement. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Valereee" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725124700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725124700"></span>Evidence presented by Valereee<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725124700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p>We were asked for evidence of Laurel Lodged ignoring/attempting to wait out disputes, and of BHG having constructive disagreement. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Laurel_Lodged_edits_disruptively/BHG_argues_constructively" data-mw-thread-id="h-Laurel_Lodged_edits_disruptively/BHG_argues_constructively-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee"><span id="Laurel_Lodged_edits_disruptively.2FBHG_argues_constructively"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Laurel_Lodged_edits_disruptively/BHG_argues_constructively-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee"></span>Laurel Lodged edits disruptively/BHG argues constructively<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Laurel_Lodged_edits_disruptively/BHG_argues_constructively-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee"></span></h3></div> <p>Laurel Lodged first brings up issues from 2016: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1164984805" title="Special:Diff/1164984805">here</a> in the middle of a long and 'what appears to have been constructive disagreement among several editors, including BHG, causing disruption. </p><p>Then when asked at ANI about their own 2016 behavior, LL remarks that surely there’s a statute of limitations: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1165024030" title="Special:Diff/1165024030">here</a>. Immediately afterward, LL asks for an iban protection from BHG. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate" data-mw-thread-id="h-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725124700"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725124700"></span>Laurel Lodged refuses to communicate<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725124700"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20230725124700-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate"></span>After their above insertion referring to a 2016 edit, when asked at ANI about their own 2016 behavior, LL remarks that surely there’s a statute of limitations <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1165024030" title="Special:Diff/1165024030">here</a>. After this, LL stops responding to pings to direct questions: </p><p>22:41 July 12 stops responding to pings to direct questions at ANI: <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1165187014" title="Special:Diff/1165187014">here</a> and 15:13 July 13 <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1165087028/1165088096" title="Special:Diff/1165087028/1165088096">here</a>. </p><p>July 14 resumes editing <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1165383643" title="Special:Diff/1165383643">here</a> and </p><p>July 15 resumes disputing with BHG elsewhere <a href="/wiki/Special:Diff/1165504901" title="Special:Diff/1165504901">here</a>. </p><p>Same behavior at the case request; I can't figure out how to link to it but the ignored ping to a direct question is in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Preliminary_statements#Statement_by_MJL" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Preliminary statements">MJL's section</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Valereee-20230725124700-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:47, 25 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20230725124700-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20230725124700-Laurel_Lodged_refuses_to_communicate"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725131100"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725131100"></span>Deletion discussions are inherently contentious<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious-Evidence_presented_by_Valereee-20230725131100"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Valereee-20230725131100-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious"></span>The topic of deletion should be broadly construed as a contentious topic, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LUGSTUBS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LUGSTUBS">WP:LUGSTUBS</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:LUGSTUBS2" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:LUGSTUBS2">WP:LUGSTUBS2</a>. If editors are saying a proposal constitutes an attempt at deletion, the discussion of that proposal should be included. <a href="/wiki/User:Valereee" title="User:Valereee">Valereee</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Valereee" title="User talk:Valereee">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Valereee-20230725131100-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:11, 25 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Valereee-20230725131100-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Valereee-20230725131100-Deletion_discussions_are_inherently_contentious"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin-20230725045600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin-20230725045600"></span>Evidence presented by Tamzin<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin-20230725045600"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin-20230725045600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin-20230725045600"></span>BrownHairedGirl avoided incivility in a difficult dispute with Timfoley50<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50-Evidence_presented_by_Tamzin-20230725045600"></span></h3></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tamzin-20230725045600-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50"></span> Since there was a request for instances of productive disagreements: On 5 July, I closed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1132#User:Timfoley50_and_the_explorer_Tom_Crean" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1132">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1132 § User:Timfoley50 and the explorer Tom Crean</a>. (Mostly a procedural close, as Timfoley50 had been blocked by two other admins.) I noted in closing: <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1237805129">.mw-parser-output .talkquote{color:var(--color-base,#202122);background-color:#eaf8f4;border-left:3px solid #008560;padding:0 .8em;margin:0}.mw-parser-output .talkquote-by,.mw-parser-output .talkquote-source{margin-left:1.6em}.mw-parser-output .skin-vector-2022 .talkquote>:last-child{padding-bottom:0}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .talkquote{background-color:#0d261f}}</style></p><blockquote class="talkquote"><p>[T]he last time I interacted with BrownHairedGirl at AN/I, it was to block her for incivility, and I'm really pleased to see that throughout this rather dramatic affair there haven't been any serious issues of that nature. ... Criticizing someone at length without slipping into incivility can be a challenge for any editor, but was accomplished here.</p></blockquote> <p>While BHG's tone grew heated at times, it was within normal limits for AN/I, and came amidst comments from Timfoley like "it's all too easy to hide behind a username to have a pop at someone because you have contemptuous opinion of them and their motives. Why not step out from behind that alias and repeat your accusations". Overall, as indicated in my closing statement, I felt she handled herself reasonably well in a difficult situation. I guess one can dispute whether this counts as a "productive disagreement" given that it ended in another editor's indef, but it seemed worth highlighting. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span></a></span><sup>[<i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tamzin" title="User talk:Tamzin"><span style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</span></a></i>]</sup> (she|they|xe)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Tamzin-20230725045600-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tamzin-20230725045600-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tamzin-20230725045600-BrownHairedGirl_avoided_incivility_in_a_difficult_dispute_with_Timfoley50"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon-20230725063000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon-20230725063000"></span>Evidence Presented by Robert McClenon<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon-20230725063000"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Deletion_discussions_are_contentious" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon-20230725063000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon-20230725063000"></span>Deletion discussions are contentious<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious-Evidence_Presented_by_Robert_McClenon-20230725063000"></span></h3></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Barkeep49-20230727170000-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256386598"> <div style="margin-left:0"> <table class="mw-collapsible mw-archivedtalk mw-collapsed" style="color:inherit; background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid Silver; margin: 0.2em auto auto; width:100%; clear: both; padding: 1px;"> <tbody><tr> <th class="cot-header-other" style="; font-size:87%; padding:0.2em 0.3em; text-align:center;"><div style="font-size:115%;margin:0 4em">Out of scope. <a href="/wiki/User:Barkeep49" title="User:Barkeep49">Barkeep49</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Barkeep49" title="User talk:Barkeep49">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Barkeep49-20230727170000-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Barkeep49-20230727170000-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Barkeep49-20230727170000-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious"></span></div> </th></tr> <tr> <td style="color:inherit; border: solid 1px Silver; padding: 0.6em; background: var(--background-color-base, #fff);"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_McClenon-20230725063000-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious"></span>At least two previous ArbCom cases have been mainly about <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:INCIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:INCIVIL">incivility</a> in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:XFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:XFD">deletion discussions</a>. </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals">Portals</a> case was really about discussions at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MFD">MFD</a> about the deletion of portals. The backstory was that a group of editors had created thousands of portals by a semi-automated process, but the mass creation of the portals was not an issue considered by ArbCom. Maybe it should have been considered, but the creation of portals was considered to be content. A key finding of fact was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals#Deletion_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals#Deletion_discussions</a>, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Portal deletion discussions have been highly contentious, with many involving accusations of bad faith, accusations of lying and incompetence, and other violations of the civility policy.</q> </p><p>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing">Conduct in deletion-related editing</a> case was, unlike some cases, appropriately named. That case consolidated complaints concerning several editors. A key finding of fact was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing#Battleground_behavior_at_Articles_for_Deletion" title="Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing">Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct_in_deletion-related_editing#Battleground_behavior_at_Articles_for_Deletion</a>. </p><p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:ANI">WP:ANI</a> discussions that were cited in those ArbCom cases included: </p> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1020#Portal_updates_reverted" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1020">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1020 § Portal updates reverted</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1023#Portals" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1023">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1023 § Portals</a> (See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1023#Previous_portal_discussions" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1023">here</a> for additional discussions.)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1101#Lugnuts_at_AFD" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1101">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1101#Lugnuts at AFD</a> (current discussion)</li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1064#Mass-creating_articles_based_on_one_unreliable_source" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1064">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1064#Mass-creating articles based on one unreliable source</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1087#Repeated_instances_of_WP:CANVASS_and_WP:UNCIVIL_by_Lugnuts" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1087">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1087#Repeated instances of WP:CANVASS and WP:UNCIVIL by Lugnuts</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1090#Lugnuts_and_revenge_AfDs" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1090">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1090#Lugnuts and revenge AfDs</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1065#Disruptive_POINTy_AfD_!votes_and_racist_comparisons_by_Johnpacklambert" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1065">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1065#Disruptive POINTy AfD !votes and racist comparisons by Johnpacklambert</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1073#User:_Johnpacklambert_emptying_categories_prematurely;_edit_warring" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1073">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1073#User: Johnpacklambert emptying categories prematurely; edit warring</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1077#Topic_Ban_for_Johnpacklambert" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1077">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1077#Topic Ban for Johnpacklambert</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1079#Johnpacklambert" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1079">Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1079#Johnpacklambert</a></li></ul> <p>This case arises from conduct in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CFD">Categories for Discussion</a>. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:XFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:XFD">Deletion discussions</a> are inherently contentious and too often are <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">uncivil</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Robert_McClenon" title="User:Robert McClenon">Robert McClenon</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon" title="User talk:Robert McClenon">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Robert_McClenon-20230725063000-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_McClenon-20230725063000-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_McClenon-20230725063000-Deletion_discussions_are_contentious"></span> </p> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale-20230726210700"><span id="Evidence_presented_by_Crouch.2C_Swale"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale-20230726210700"></span>Evidence presented by Crouch, Swale<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale-20230726210700"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Crouch,_Swale-20230726210700-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale"></span>I'm not wanting to get too involved as I appreciate BHG's work with categories and haven't been involved recently etc but I would note as someone who has created many categories here and on Commons (and created <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Category_inclusion_criteria" class="extiw" title="commons:Commons:Category inclusion criteria">Commons:Commons:Category inclusion criteria</a>) but I would point out that at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_17" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 17">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 17</a> where BHD raised SMALLCAT a number of times yet <a href="/wiki/Mudgeeraba,_Queensland" title="Mudgeeraba, Queensland">Mudgeeraba, Queensland</a> has a population of 13,624. Topic categories for settlements probably don't fall under the letter (or even spirit) of SMALLCAT. A place with a population of 13,624 is likely to have several things like buildings, media or similar which could be created for things within the boundaries of the place even if such articles haven't been written yet. The wording "Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will <b>never</b> have more than a few members" and "Note also that this criterion does not preclude all small categories; a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time." does say categories that can be expanded are acceptable. </p><p>A category for "Churches in X" when X is a village or small town with only 1 or 2 churches would IMO pass being deleted under SMALLCAT as unless in the unusual situation lots of new churches were built in X such a category would have no reasonable prospect for growth but a topic category for a village even a small one wouldn't at least pass the letter of SMALLCAT. </p><p>While I wouldn't be as reluctant to delete small categories as the letter of SMALLCAT says I would point out that BHG's interpretation of SMALLCAT does seem to be far stricter than it actually is even allowing some leeway. My personal view would normally be to wait until there are enough articles for a category and then create but the wording does seem clear enough that there is no requirement to wait as long as such articles can be written. </p><p>There was discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_June_18#Category:Langley_Park,_County_Durham" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 18">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 18#Category:Langley Park, County Durham</a> and then at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Categorization/Archive_18#Topic_categories_with_set_categories" title="Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 18">Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 18#Topic categories with set categories</a> about a village and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_January_5#Category:Cliburn" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 5">Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 5#Category:Cliburn</a> that was deleted in 2011 with having 2 articles but there are now 4 namely <a href="/wiki/Cliburn,_Cumbria" title="Cliburn, Cumbria">Cliburn, Cumbria</a>, <a href="/wiki/Cliburn_railway_station" title="Cliburn railway station">Cliburn railway station</a>, <a href="/wiki/Cliburn_Moss" title="Cliburn Moss">Cliburn Moss</a> and <a href="/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Cliburn,_Cumbria" title="Listed buildings in Cliburn, Cumbria">Listed buildings in Cliburn, Cumbria</a>. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Crouch,_Swale" title="User:Crouch, Swale"><span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span></a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Crouch,_Swale" title="User talk:Crouch, Swale"><span style="color:Blue">talk</span></a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Crouch,_Swale-20230726210700-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 26 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Crouch,_Swale-20230726210700-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Crouch,_Swale-20230726210700-Evidence_presented_by_Crouch,_Swale"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900"></span>Evidence presented by Red-tailed hawk<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_overturned" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_o-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_o-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900"></span>A recent block of BHG for allegedly violating a community sanction was swiftly overturned<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_o-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_o"></span>Wikipedia administrator <a href="/wiki/User:Paul_August" title="User:Paul August">Paul August</a> blocked BHG at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=149538997">12:21 on 16 July 2023</a>, citing a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1039021442#Piotrus'_concerns_about_User:BrownHairedGirl">community sanction</a> that subjects her to escalating blocks <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">for any violation of Wikipedia's policies regarding civility and personal attacks</q>. A discussion to unblock BHG and overturn the imposition of the community sanction <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1165644990">was started at 14:08 on 16 July</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Bastun" title="User:Bastun">Bastun</a> and was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1165653525">closed at 15:10 on 16 July</a> by <a href="/wiki/User:Courcelles" title="User:Courcelles">Courcelles</a> as there being consensus to unblock BHG. Courcelles then <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=149541657">unblocked</a> BHG one minute after closing the discussion. — <a href="/wiki/User:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User:Red-tailed hawk"><span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed hawk</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User talk:Red-tailed hawk"><span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_o" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:09, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_o"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20230728020900-A_recent_block_of_BHG_for_allegedly_violating_a_community_sanction_was_swiftly_o"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page_access_revoked" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728022500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728022500"></span>A 12-hour block of BHG in October 2022 was followed by BHG having her talk page access revoked<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page-Evidence_presented_by_Red-tailed_hawk-20230728022500"></span></h3></div><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20230728022500-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page"></span> In October 2023, <a href="/wiki/User:Tamzin" title="User:Tamzin">Tamzin</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137678722">blocked</a> BHG for 12 hours on the basis that BHG had violated the aforementioned community sanction. The discussion that took place that surrounded and led to the block is archived <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1110#Uncivil_behavior_by_BrownHairedGirl">here</a>.</p><div class="paragraphbreak" style="margin-top:0.5em"></div><p>Following Tamzin's block of BHG, <a href="/wiki/User:GeneralNotability" title="User:GeneralNotability">GeneralNotability</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137683388">revoked</a> BHG's talkpage access, saying that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">talk page access while blocked is for appealing the block, not for posting extended diatribes</q>. BHG had posted a <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABrownHairedGirl&diff=1115074129&oldid=1115051611">commentary</a> on the block on her talk page prior to GeneralNotability's <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=next&oldid=1115074129">revocation</a> of talk page access, writing that he had identified BHG's <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">talk page edits as inappropriate and/or disruptive</q>. — <a href="/wiki/User:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User:Red-tailed hawk"><span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed hawk</span></a> <sub><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Red-tailed_hawk" title="User talk:Red-tailed hawk"><span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span></a></sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Red-tailed_hawk-20230728022500-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20230728022500-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Red-tailed_hawk-20230728022500-A_12-hour_block_of_BHG_in_October_2022_was_followed_by_BHG_having_her_talk_page"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster-20230728093300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster-20230728093300"></span>Evidence presented by JaggedHamster<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster-20230728093300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relation_to_this_case" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster-20230728093300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster-20230728093300"></span>BrownHairedGirl makes accusations of bad faith and lack of competence in relation to this case<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio-Evidence_presented_by_JaggedHamster-20230728093300"></span></h3></div> <p><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london#Template:DisestcatCountryDecade/core"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JaggedHamster-20230728093300-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio"></span>here</a> BHG makes accusations of bad faith, saying that this case is due to <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">the antics of a small bunch of people who are furious that I insist that the words in a short simple guideline means what it say</q> and that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">that there is an almighty drama of out of context quotation etc going on to blacken my name again</q>. </p><p>In response to it being suggested that the case is <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">about your history of personalising disputes by calling other editors' competence and good faith into question, when you could instead have just written about the facts and merits of the case</q> she continues the incivility by replying <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">the facts and merits of this case are that a bunch of editors have wholly misrepresented a simple guideline, and have persisted in doing so long after their error has been pointed out to them. That is inherently a competence and good faith question</q>. <a href="/wiki/User:JaggedHamster" title="User:JaggedHamster">JaggedHamster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JaggedHamster" title="User talk:JaggedHamster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-JaggedHamster-20230728093300-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JaggedHamster-20230728093300-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JaggedHamster-20230728093300-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JaggedHamster-20230731071200-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio"></span>BHG has now made an additional accusation of bad faith and lack of competence in the same section: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">in this case a small group of editors has repeatedly insisted that black is white, on a very simple matter. That is a competence and good faith question which needs to be resolved. In this case, some of that group have engaged in retaliation against me, vengefully trying to destroy my work. I have tons of evidence of this, and it would be helpful if you would withhold judgement until you have seen the evidence.</q> <a href="/wiki/User:JaggedHamster" title="User:JaggedHamster">JaggedHamster</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JaggedHamster" title="User talk:JaggedHamster">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-JaggedHamster-20230731071200-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JaggedHamster-20230731071200-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JaggedHamster-20230731071200-BrownHairedGirl_makes_accusations_of_bad_faith_and_lack_of_competence_in_relatio"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_MJL" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728171400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728171400"></span>Evidence presented by MJL<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728171400"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-20230728171400-Evidence_presented_by_MJL"></span>Thanks to DanCherek for presenting some of the relevant info on LL. Saves me some time. –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL"><span style="color:black">MJL</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MJL" title="User talk:MJL">‐<b>Talk</b>‐</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User:MJL/P" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MJL/P">☖</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-MJL-20230728171400-Evidence_presented_by_MJL" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-20230728171400-Evidence_presented_by_MJL"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-20230728171400-Evidence_presented_by_MJL"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED" data-mw-thread-id="h-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728171400"><span id="LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK.23REPLIED"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728171400"></span>LL hides previous comments in violation of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TALK#REPLIED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TALK">WP:TALK#REPLIED</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728171400"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-20230728171400-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED"></span>After 2 of LL's initial comments <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230707120800-BrownHairedGirl-20230707113500">recieved pushback</a> from Nederlandse Leeuw, he <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Laurel_Lodged-20230707074200-Proposal_C:_One-Way_IBAN_of_User:Laurel_Lodged_against_User:BrownHairedGirl">chose to rewrite his comments</a> to hide his initial response despite violating <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TALK#REPLIED" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TALK">WP:TALK#REPLIED</a>. This made it harder for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-RevelationDirect-20230708001300-Nederlandse_Leeuw-20230707125600">other parties to see his misconduct</a>. –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL"><span style="color:black">MJL</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MJL" title="User talk:MJL">‐<b>Talk</b>‐</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User:MJL/P" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MJL/P">☖</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-MJL-20230728171400-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-20230728171400-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-20230728171400-LL_hides_previous_comments_in_violation_of_WP:TALK#REPLIED"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-20230728172600-MJL-20230728171400"></span>Black Kite then told LL to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1164472185#c-Black_Kite-20230707124400-Laurel_Lodged-20230707120500">disengage from AN/I</a> for being uncivil. –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL"><span style="color:black">MJL</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MJL" title="User talk:MJL">‐<b>Talk</b>‐</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User:MJL/P" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MJL/P">☖</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-MJL-20230728172600-MJL-20230728171400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-20230728172600-MJL-20230728171400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-20230728172600-MJL-20230728171400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Previous_LL_misconduct" data-mw-thread-id="h-Previous_LL_misconduct-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728182000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Previous_LL_misconduct-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728182000"></span>Previous LL misconduct<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Previous_LL_misconduct-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230728182000"></span></h3></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Xenophobic_remarks_towards_The_Banner" data-mw-thread-id="h-Xenophobic_remarks_towards_The_Banner-Previous_LL_misconduct"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Xenophobic_remarks_towards_The_Banner-Previous_LL_misconduct"></span>Xenophobic remarks towards The Banner<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Xenophobic_remarks_towards_The_Banner-Previous_LL_misconduct"></span></h4></div> <p>On 18 March 2021, LL <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Corofin_(parish)&diff=prev&oldid=1012848093">copy-edited</a> <a href="/wiki/Corofin_(parish)" title="Corofin (parish)">Corofin (parish)</a> using the edit summary <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Grammar improvements. Replace Germano-English with Hiberno-English.</q> This is because LL was acting like <a href="/wiki/User:The_Banner" title="User:The Banner">The Banner</a> (who <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Corofin_(parish)&oldid=1010043055">wrote the article</a>) couldn't speak proper <a href="/wiki/Hiberno-English" title="Hiberno-English">Hiberno-English</a> since he wasn't born in Ireland (he's Dutch). He <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACorofin_%28parish%29&diff=1012976661&oldid=1012853754">explicitly admitted</a> that was what he was doing as <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">just some mischievous humour</q>. </p><p>The Banner is the user would <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1072975536">later call</a> his <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">favourite stalker</q> (without evidence) for the record. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Child_recruitment_ring_accusations" data-mw-thread-id="h-Child_recruitment_ring_accusations-Previous_LL_misconduct"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Child_recruitment_ring_accusations-Previous_LL_misconduct"></span>Child recruitment ring accusations<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Child_recruitment_ring_accusations-Previous_LL_misconduct"></span></h4></div> <p>In February 2022, LL <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=1072800033&oldid=1072798696">claims</a> (without evidence) a user is involved in some scheme <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">by adults who ought to know better</q> which recruits children to engage in <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Azeri-POV pushing</q>. After I reported him for it, he <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1072975536">first responds</a> that <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">it's fair comment</q>. </p><p>In his <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1073003751">apology</a>... I'll just post a quote: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">I admit that I got very emotional in my contributions to the two requests from Az editors for unblocking. Although both [users] showed apparent bad behaviour, the language that I used to highlight that bad behaviour could have been softer. I apologise for the intemperate language used. I should have let the facts speak for themselves.</q> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Misgenders_me" data-mw-thread-id="h-Misgenders_me-Previous_LL_misconduct-20230728182000"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Misgenders_me-Previous_LL_misconduct-20230728182000"></span>Misgenders me<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Misgenders_me-Previous_LL_misconduct-20230728182000"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-20230728182000-Misgenders_me"></span>In the same report, LL <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1072977854">misgenders me</a>. I wouldn't bother pointing this out, but it was an odd circumstance. LL went through my Azeri Wikipedia user page (linked to at the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1090139208#Alternate_user_pages" title="Special:PermanentLink/1090139208">bottom</a> of my English one), but claims he didn't see my pronouns listed at the <a href="/wiki/Special:PermanentLink/1090139208#Pronouns_/_Nomenclature" title="Special:PermanentLink/1090139208">top</a> of my English user page. </p><p>I asked him to apologize for the above, but he <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1073456617">refused</a>. He claimed he uses he/him for everyone including for women and explained he would not make further comment about the matter. I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1073470468">pinged him</a> but received no response. –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL"><span style="color:black">MJL</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MJL" title="User talk:MJL">‐<b>Talk</b>‐</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User:MJL/P" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MJL/P">☖</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-MJL-20230728182000-Misgenders_me" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-20230728182000-Misgenders_me"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-20230728182000-Misgenders_me"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Islamophobia" data-mw-thread-id="h-Islamophobia-Previous_LL_misconduct-20230802184600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Islamophobia-Previous_LL_misconduct-20230802184600"></span>Islamophobia<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Islamophobia-Previous_LL_misconduct-20230802184600"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-20230802184600-Islamophobia"></span>In 2022, in response to a muslim editor's topic ban appeal, LL <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=1072426594&oldid=1072410363">said</a> this: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">...So he has been a good boy on unrelated topics; I remain unimpressed - even the pagans do as much. His rehabilitation...</q>. When this was rightfully <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1072555683">called out by</a> Fram, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive341#c-Laurel_Lodged-2022-02-18T10:40:00.000Z-Fram-2022-02-18T09:16:00.000Z">LL deflected</a> and ignored the concerns. –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL"><span style="color:black">MJL</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MJL" title="User talk:MJL">‐<b>Talk</b>‐</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User:MJL/P" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MJL/P">☖</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-MJL-20230802184600-Islamophobia" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-20230802184600-Islamophobia"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-20230802184600-Islamophobia"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="LL_and_categories" data-mw-thread-id="h-LL_and_categories-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230802184600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-LL_and_categories-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230802184600"></span>LL and categories<span data-mw-comment-end="h-LL_and_categories-Evidence_presented_by_MJL-20230802184600"></span></h3></div> <p>Categories make up <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Laurel_Lodged">23.9%</a> <small>(<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://archive.is/2Fpe0">archived link</a>)</small> of LL's contributions. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="2011_blocks_and_before" data-mw-thread-id="h-2011_blocks_and_before-LL_and_categories"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-2011_blocks_and_before-LL_and_categories"></span>2011 blocks and before<span data-mw-comment-end="h-2011_blocks_and_before-LL_and_categories"></span></h4></div> <p>In 2011, LL was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=block&user=&page=User%3ALaurel+Lodged&wpdate=2012-01-01&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist">blocked twice</a> for manually emptying categories out of process. Ironically, the second blocking admin was BHG. </p><p>He had <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Laurel_Lodged&diff=prev&oldid=409457938">already been warned about this</a>. First, in September 2010 for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Education_in_North_Tipperary&oldid=380701142">unilaterally creating</a> and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CBS_High_School_Clonmel&diff=prev&oldid=380745168">populating</a> a set of <a href="/wiki/North_Tipperary" title="North Tipperary">North</a> and <a href="/wiki/South_Tipperary" title="South Tipperary">South Tipperary</a> categories and <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Education_in_County_Tipperary&diff=prev&oldid=380746920">attempting to delete the original</a>. Notably, he <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALaurel_Lodged&diff=392450852&oldid=392021835">was also warned</a> by the likes of <a href="/wiki/User:Oculi" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Oculi">Oculi</a> regarding an unrelated category issue. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="topic_ban_and_violation" data-mw-thread-id="h-topic_ban_and_violation-LL_and_categories"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-topic_ban_and_violation-LL_and_categories"></span>topic ban and violation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-topic_ban_and_violation-LL_and_categories"></span></h4></div> <p>January 2013, TheBanner <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=534262452&diff=534265676">reports</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Brocach" title="User:Brocach">Brocach</a> for an edit war with LL over categories. The report is incredibly favourable towards LL. Still, LL <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Laurel_Lodged&diff=prev&oldid=535840492">also recieved</a> a final warning from <a href="/wiki/User:Kim_Dent-Brown" title="User:Kim Dent-Brown">Kim Dent-Brown</a>; though <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=536012220">no formal topic bans were imposed</a>. </p><p>This changed in June that year with a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive801#User:Laurel_Lodged:_topic_ban" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive801">new report</a>. There, LL <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=559105133">claimed</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">That there is a claque of <a href="/wiki/Irredentism" title="Irredentism">irredentist</a> editors (excepting Banner) with a misty-eyed vision of a 32-county state who wish to pursue an "<a href="/wiki/A_Nation_Once_Again" title="A Nation Once Again">A Nation Once Again</a>" agenda through wiki, is no reason for me to admit that facts are not facts.</q> Kim Dent-Brown ultimately <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=560756851">closed it</a> in favor of a topic ban; he <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kim_Dent-Brown&diff=prev&oldid=560791803">elaborated</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">What was decisive was the near-unanimous consensus against [LL] and [his] inability or unwillingness to accommodate it.</q> </p><p>He <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=D%C3%A1l_gCais&diff=573201368&oldid=562049463">violated his topic ban</a> a few months later and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive253#Topic_ban,_some_doubt_about_edits_being_allowed" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive253">received a warning</a>. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4"><h4 id="Fram's_report" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fram's_report-LL_and_categories-20230802184600"><span id="Fram.27s_report"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fram's_report-LL_and_categories-20230802184600"></span>Fram's report<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fram's_report-LL_and_categories-20230802184600"></span></h4></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MJL-20230802184600-Fram's_report"></span>In 2021, Fram <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1018902850">reported LL</a> for emptying categories out of process. </p><p>I need to highlight <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1019049277">one of LL's responses though</a>: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Even Mr. Chauvin was permitted to enter a defense.</q> Here, he compares himself to <a href="/wiki/Derek_Chauvin" title="Derek Chauvin">Derek Chauvin</a> which had the immediate effect of <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1019128302">derailing</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1019130065">the</a> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1019165305">thread</a>. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Ymblanter" title="User:Ymblanter">Ymblanter</a> even <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=1019331617&oldid=1019331317">stated</a> he was prepared to apply a long term block after just <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">one edit against consensus</q>. –<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"><a href="/wiki/User:MJL" title="User:MJL"><span style="color:black">MJL</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MJL" title="User talk:MJL">‐<b>Talk</b>‐</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User:MJL/P" class="mw-redirect" title="User:MJL/P">☖</a></sup></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-MJL-20230802184600-Fram's_report" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:46, 2 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MJL-20230802184600-Fram's_report"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MJL-20230802184600-Fram's_report"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas-20230730004300"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas-20230730004300"></span>Evidence presented by mikeblas<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas-20230730004300"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20230730004300-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"></span>I'm very hesitantly participating here because I have a strong distaste for Wiki-lawyering and all the Byzantine processes. Though, I would've happily participated in the ANI had I known about it before it closed, since I'm at least a bit more familiar with that process. </p><p>In the past, I haven't had much fun interacting with BrownHairedGirl. The scope creep here has me a bit vague about what the issue realll<sup>lll</sup>y is, I hope that one of the things that comes from this action is an improvement in BrownHairedGirl congeniality, empathy, and cooperation. Maybe, in the future, they can influence editors through hope rather than intimidation. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">Mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Mikeblas-20230730004300-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:43, 30 July 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20230730004300-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20230730004300-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mikeblas-20230801165200-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"></span>Sorry, I've goofed up my diffs. They're corrected below, now. If I find again the third one I'll post it. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Mikeblas" title="User:Mikeblas">Mikeblas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mikeblas" title="User talk:Mikeblas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Mikeblas-20230801165200-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mikeblas-20230801165200-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mikeblas-20230801165200-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_is_not_particularly_WP:CIVIL_by_making_accusations_of_malice_or_incompetence" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_is_not_particularly_WP:CIVIL_by_making_accusations_of_malice_or-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_is_not_particularly_WP:CIVIL_by_making_accusations_of_malice_or-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"></span>BrownHairedGirl is not particularly <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a> by making accusations of malice or incompetence<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_is_not_particularly_WP:CIVIL_by_making_accusations_of_malice_or-Evidence_presented_by_mikeblas"></span></h3></div> <p>Here's what I'm thinking of: <s><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1164766761#1162236230">one</a></span> </s> <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1083644394#1083634730">one</a></span>, <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1167807196#1167742222">two</a></span>, <s><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=1167807196#1167742222">three</a></span> </s>. Not much, I know -- but I don't feel a deeper search would be a good investment. But please do note that one of those interactions occurred while the related ANI and this very ArbCom were active. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800"></span>Evidence presented by Trainsandotherthings<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is_against_her" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800"></span>BrownHairedGirl engages in bludgeoning and does not respect consensus when it is against her<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is-Evidence_presented_by_Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800"></span></h3></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is"></span>I will be relying on one particular episode here, which is BHG's response to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-03-27/From_the_Signpost_team" title="Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-03-27/From the Signpost team">Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-03-27/From the Signpost team</a>. Engaging in a crusade against what she falsely considered a NPOV breach (NPOV is for articles, not project-space), after objecting in the comments, BHG promptly tried to get the article deleted and the Signpost editors sanctioned. In the same span of less than a day, she first started <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2022-03-27/From_the_team" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-03-27/From the team">a MfD</a> which was SNOW closed against her, immediately escalated to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_March_27" title="Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 March 27">DRV</a> where the closure was overwhelmingly endorsed, and also went to <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1094#WP%3ASignpost_team_ignores_NPOV">ANI</a>, which was closed without action. BHG commented 25 times at ANI, 19 times at the DRV, and another <i>41</i> times at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_69#Community_discussion_regarding_the_Signpost">this thread</a> at VPM. The VPM thread in particular speaks for itself and I encourage the committee to examine her comments there; there's far too many for me to just list them in my evidence here. What I will say is they overwhelmingly show a battleground mentality and a complete and total unwillingness to understand or acknowledge that community consensus was strongly against her position, doubling, tripling, quadrupling down in the face of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:1AM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:1AM">overwhelming opposition</a>. BHG has shown zero remorse for her actions, stating "For the record, I stand by my judgement on this matter." at ANI. BHG was never blocked or sanctioned for this behavior. <a href="/wiki/User:Trainsandotherthings" title="User:Trainsandotherthings">Trainsandotherthings</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trainsandotherthings" title="User talk:Trainsandotherthings">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trainsandotherthings-20230801152800-BrownHairedGirl_engages_in_bludgeoning_and_does_not_respect_consensus_when_it_is"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>Evidence presented by RevelationDirect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h2></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Claims_Other_Editors_are_Involved_in_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_at_CFD" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Claims_Other_Editors_are_Involved_in_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatp-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Claims_Other_Editors_are_Involved_in_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatp-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>BrownHairedGirl Repeatedly Claims Other Editors are Involved in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TAGTEAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TAGTEAM">WP:TAGTEAM</a> Meatpuppetry at CFD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Claims_Other_Editors_are_Involved_in_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatp-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h3></div> <ol><li>... “the nominator and their tag team pals” ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1164058288">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"No it is not a 'difference of opinion'. There has been a systematic efforts by a tag team (in which Oculi is one of the two main players) to radically misrepresent WP:SMALLCAT and to use that misrepresented guideline vindictively. ... If you really want to lower the temperature then stop pouring petrol on fires and stop enabling the tag team and stop being an attack dog for the tag team." (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_24&diff=prev&oldid=1162646298">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"... This is yet another blatantly bad faith nomination by a highly-experienced editor ... who is par[t] of a tag team overtly targeting my work i[n] revenge for my opposing some of his nominations. ..." (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_24&diff=prev&oldid=1162524231">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"when editors tag-team to abuse the CFD process by systematically misrepresenting guidelines and vindictively targeting the work of other editors, then it is important that this info is presented to the CFD discussion. In 17 years at CFD, I have never before seen anything remotely like this." (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_24&diff=prev&oldid=1162632284">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"The recent malicious tag-teaming. … It is neither respectful nor civil to other editors to repeatedly endorse the antics of a bad faith tag team, as you have done. It is neither respectful nor civil to other editors to repeatedly reproach the targets of a bad faith tag team for objecting to the tag team's antics. It is neither respectful nor civil to other editors to attack them for impeding the efforts of a malicious tag team." … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1163005333">Diff, 3/4 down</a>)</li> <li>… “That misuse not only continued after being repeatedly challenged, but was weaponised by a tag team” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=That%20misuse%20not%20only%20continued%20after%20being%20repeatedly%20challenged%2C%20but%20was%20weaponised%20by%20a%20tag%20team">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “In revenge for my challenges to their abuses, LL & Oculi have been tag-teaming to vindictively attack my own categorisation work.” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=In%20revenge%20for%20my%20challenges%20to%20their%20abuses%2C%20LL%20%26%20Oculi%20have%20been%20tag%2Dteaming%20to%20vindictively%20attack%20my%20own%20categorisation%20work.">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “I just want the hounding and the tag-teaming to stop.” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=want%20anyoe%20sanctioned.-,I%20just%20want%20the%20hounding%20and%20the%20tag%2Dteaming%20to%20stop,-%2C%20and%20the%20sustained">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>“I hoped that the tag team coud be persuaded to desist without the drama of a case discussion. Note tag this tag team engaged in little direct canvassing. They just followed each other around, targeting me.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=I%20hoped%20that,around%2C%20targeting%20me.">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “I also do no know whether you are a part of the tag team. All I do know is that you both repeatedly endorse the tag team, and that you repeatedly act as their attack dog by piling on me for criticising them.” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1162659729">Diff, near the top</a>)</li> <li>… “We have an environmnent where falsifiers thrive and lead lynch mobs.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1165979677">Diff, ending</a>)</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Promises_to_Provide_Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Promises_to_Provide_Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAG-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Promises_to_Provide_Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAG-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>BrownHairedGirl Repeatedly Promises to Provide Diffs to Support Claims of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TAGTEAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TAGTEAM">WP:TAGTEAM</a> Meatpuppetry<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Promises_to_Provide_Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAG-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h3></div> <ol><li>“I agree that my claims of vindictive, disruptive bad-faith tag-teaming are strong claims, which require evidence. The collation of that evidence is a big job, and as I noted below I will present it later, when I have collated it. But I stand my assertion.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=%40Dimadick%3A%20I,I%20post%20it.">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>... "That group have engaged in retaliation against me, vengefully trying to destroy my work. I have tons of evidence of this, and it would be helpful if you would withhold judgement until you have seen the evidence." (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fayenatic_london&diff=prev&oldid=1168008362">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "And yes, I can produce evidence of the tag-teaming, which I will do if this as to be take to WP:DRV." (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1162390279">Diff</a>)</li> <li>“I stand by my comments. It will take me several hours to collect all the evidence, but I will make a full response when I have do[n]e so.” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=I%20stand%20by%20my%20comments.%0AIt%20will%20take%20me%20several%20hours%20to%20collect%20all%20the%20evidence%2C%20but%20I%20will%20make%20a%20full%20response%20when%20I%20have%20doe%20so.">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “The new develoment has been LL's vindictive tag-teaming with Oculi, on which I am collecting diffs. That tag-teaming is a massive escalation.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD:~:text=The%20new%20develoment%20has%20been%20LL%27s%20vindictive%20tag%2Dteaming%20with%20Oculi%2C%20on%20which%20I%20am%20collecting%20diffs.%20That%20tag%2Dteaming%20is%20a%20massive%20escalation">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “I have to go out now, but when I return I will begin work on diff-farming to show both the extraordinary pattern of abuse of WP:SMALLCAT, and the way that LL and Oculi have been tag-teami[n]g in revenege for my challenges.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=I%20have%20to%20go%20out%20now%2C%20but%20when%20I%20return%20I%20will%20begin%20work%20on%20diff%2Dfarming%20to%20show%20both%20the%20extraordinary%20pattern%20of%20abuse%20of%20WP%3ASMALLCAT%2C%20and%20the%20way%20that%20LL%20and%20Oculi%20have%20been%20tag%2Dteamig%20in%20revenege%20for%20my%20challenges.">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “My diff-farming is more time-consuing than I had hoped, and it may now not be until tomorrow that I post the evidence.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=My%20diff%2Dfarming%20is%20more%20time%2Dconsuing%20than%20I%20had%20hoped%2C%20and%20it%20may%20now%20not%20be%20until%20tomorrow%20that%20I%20post%20the%20evidence.">CDlink</a>)</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_Have_Yet_To_Arrive_from_BrownHairedGirl" data-mw-thread-id="h-Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_Have_Yet_To_Arrive_from_Brown-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_Have_Yet_To_Arrive_from_Brown-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>Diffs to Support Claims of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TAGTEAM" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TAGTEAM">WP:TAGTEAM</a> Meatpuppetry Have Yet To Arrive from BrownHairedGirl<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Diffs_to_Support_Claims_of_WP:TAGTEAM_Meatpuppetry_Have_Yet_To_Arrive_from_Brown-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h3></div> <p><i>BrownHairedGirl was encouraged to provide thos Diffs <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1165017063">here</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#Providing_Diffs_for_Tag_Teaming_by_5_Or_So_Other_Editors?" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134">here</a>.</i> </p> <ol><li>[No Diffs to show]</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="After_this_ArbComm_Opened,_BrownHairedGirl_Claims_that_Providing_Diffs_is_Counterproductive" data-mw-thread-id="h-After_this_ArbComm_Opened,_BrownHairedGirl_Claims_that_Providing_Diffs_is_Counte-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span id="After_this_ArbComm_Opened.2C_BrownHairedGirl_Claims_that_Providing_Diffs_is_Counterproductive"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-After_this_ArbComm_Opened,_BrownHairedGirl_Claims_that_Providing_Diffs_is_Counte-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>After this ArbComm Opened, BrownHairedGirl Claims that Providing Diffs is Counterproductive<span data-mw-comment-end="h-After_this_ArbComm_Opened,_BrownHairedGirl_Claims_that_Providing_Diffs_is_Counte-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h3></div> <ol><li>… “Editors who devote their time and energy on the wholly unproductive exercise of diff-farming and the vicious, poisonous game of <a href="/wiki/Quoting_out_of_context" title="Quoting out of context">quoting out of context</a> which opened both the ANI and the RFAR.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1166945789">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "There is an almighty drama of <a href="/wiki/Quoting_out_of_context" title="Quoting out of context">out of context quotation</a> etc going on to blacken my name again." ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fayenatic_london&diff=prev&oldid=1167322239">Diff</a>)</li></ol> <p><i>I encourage reviewing the 7 sources for my Diffs to ensure proper context: 4 CFDs from June/July (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25#People_by_occupation_in_Northern_Ireland" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 25">1</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13#Expatriates_A-G" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 13">2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_July_21#Irish_police_officers_by_county" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 21">3</a>, <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_July_11#Irish_trade_unionists" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 11">4</a>), 2 Talk Pages (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BrownHairedGirl" title="User talk:BrownHairedGirl">5</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Fayenatic_london" title="User talk:Fayenatic london">6</a>), and ANI (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134">7</a>).</i> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Does_not_Assume_Good_Faith_or_Competency_More_Generally_for_CFD" data-mw-thread-id="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Does_not_Assume_Good_Faith_or_Competency_More_General-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Does_not_Assume_Good_Faith_or_Competency_More_General-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>BrownHairedGirl Repeatedly Does not Assume Good Faith or Competency More Generally for CFD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-BrownHairedGirl_Repeatedly_Does_not_Assume_Good_Faith_or_Competency_More_General-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h3></div> <ol><li>“Oculi writes a pile of blatant falsehoods” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD:~:text=%40Oculi%20writes%20a%20pile%20of%20blatant%20falsehoods">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “they continue after multiple corrections so that there is no posisbility whatsoever of the misrepresentations being good faith errors or oversights.” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=they%20continue%20after%20multiple%20corrections%20so%20that%20there%20is%20no%20posisbility%20whatsoever%20of%20the%20misrepresentations%20being%20good%20faith%20errors%20or%20oversights.">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “When a nomination in made in clear bad faith, the closer needs to see that assertion in the main discussion.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=Where%20a%20guideline%20is%20being%20abused%2C%20or%20when%20a%20nomination%20in%20made%20in%20clear%20bad%20faith%2C%20the%20closer%20needs%20to%20see%20that%20assertion%20in%20the%20main%20discussion.">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>"<b>Aaaargh!</b>This is not a matter of a 'different view'" [Emphasis in original] (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#c-Dimadick-20230707074000-RevelationDirect-20230707033100:~:text=Aaaargh!,a%20%22different%20view%22">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “In over 40 years of adult life, much of it spent working on the edges of the dark and dirty world of politics, I thought I had witnessed far too much horrible behaviour. But have never before had such a close encounter with a concerted effort to invert reality” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD:~:text=In%20over%2040%20years%20of%20adult%20life%2C%20much%20of%20it%20spent%20working%20on%20the%20edges%20of%20the%20dark%20and%20dirty%20world%20of%20politics%2C%20I%20thought%20I%20had%20witnessed%20far%20too%20much%20horrible%20behaviour.%20But%20have%20never%20before%20had%20such%20a%20close%20encounter%20with%20a%20concerted%20effort%20to%20invert%20reality">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>... "NL's logic reminds me of the Stalinist show trials. <b>OMG! BHG uholds consensus!!! Mock her! Insult her! BAN HER</b>" [Emphasis in original] (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD:~:text=The%20worst%20possible%20consequences%20here%20are%20not%20life%2Dthreatening%2C%20but%20NL%27s%20logic%20reminds%20me%20of%20the%20Stalinist%20show%20trials.%20OMG!%20BHG%C2%A0uholds%C2%A0consensus!!!%20Mock%C2%A0her!%20Insult%C2%A0her!%20BAN%C2%A0HER%27">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… "Frankly, I am utterly sick of wasting time on your tedious obsession with so-called 'civility issues' while you evade the two issues of substance. That is a completely destructive approach, which is guaranteed to rig the discussion against anyone who objects to substantive misconduct, and to favor the miscreants." ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1163005333">Diff, beginning</a>)</li> <li>BrownHairedGirl wrote a parable about me where I was a corrupt police officer ignoring violence against her. (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1163005333">Same Diff, dialogue</a>)</li> <li>… “If there is the slightest whiff of any more attempts by you to weaponise <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:5P4" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:5P4">WP:5P4</a> as you have dome above, then you will be permanently barred from my talk [page]." (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1163005333">Same Diff, bottom</a>)</li> <li>... "This is another vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination"... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1161883381">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "this is a rushed, vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1161884659">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"I don not believe that you a[r]e acting in good faith"... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1161885541">Diff</a>)</li> <li>… “you chose to act like someone of bad faith.” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#BrownHairedGirl's_lack_of_civility_in_CFD:~:text=you%20chose%20to%20act%20like%20someone%20of%20bad%20faith.">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>... "this vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1161895651">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "your sloppy, no-<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BEFORE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BEFORE">WP:BEFORE</a> vindictive nomination." ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1161892496">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "categorisation work is made unreasonably difficult. That appears to be the aim of LL@s stalking." ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1161891800">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "it is quite invidious to propose to demolish my work"... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1162398970">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "it is extremely disruptive to misrepresent WP:SMALLCAT and to abuse it as a weapon to demolish categorisation" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1162392897">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "I will not accept the use of a malicious and unresearched CFD as a weapon to bully me" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1162420951">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "The problem here is is simply that this a malicious nomination" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1162388733">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "In my 17 years at CFD I have never before seen a nomination like his one: a bad faith nom targeting one editor" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1162485021">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "Your choice ... does not in any way suggest good faith" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1162496996">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"Utter nonsense. ... It's blindingly obvious that you are pontificating away with great certainty about how to do a task which you have never actually done." ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13&diff=prev&oldid=1160210067">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"Utter nonsense, Marcocapelle." … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13&diff=prev&oldid=1160404732">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"That's just wikilawyering and offence-taking. When it comes the treatment of other editors, the real issue here is the attempt to demolish the categorisation work" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13&diff=prev&oldid=1160293475">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"Ah Marcocapelle, that's disingenuous." ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_13&diff=prev&oldid=1160008680">Diff</a>)</li> <li>... "Please end the disruption by promptly withdrawing this nomination." (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_24&diff=prev&oldid=1161701497">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"I assume good faith until the assumption becomes untenable, as it has here." ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_24&diff=prev&oldid=1161704090">Diff</a>)</li> <li>"A goo[d] faith editor would at this stage withdraw the nomination, an[d] apologise" ... (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_24&diff=prev&oldid=1161705467">Diff</a>)</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Engaging_in_a_Substantive_Discussion_of_SMALLCAT_Did_Not_Stop_the_Incivility_by_BrownHairedGirl" data-mw-thread-id="h-Engaging_in_a_Substantive_Discussion_of_SMALLCAT_Did_Not_Stop_the_Incivility_by-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Engaging_in_a_Substantive_Discussion_of_SMALLCAT_Did_Not_Stop_the_Incivility_by-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>Engaging in a Substantive Discussion of SMALLCAT Did Not Stop the Incivility by BrownHairedGirl<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Engaging_in_a_Substantive_Discussion_of_SMALLCAT_Did_Not_Stop_the_Incivility_by-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h3></div> <p><i>Both myself and BrownHairedGirl grew frustrated by talking past each favoring discussions of civility and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a>, respectively. Or, to put it more colorfully “ALL the scrutiny is placed on the complainant's wording, while the miscreant goes unreproached.” (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&diff=prev&oldid=1165979677">Diff, middle</a>)</i> </p><p><i>But, when we engaged in exactly that type of substantive discussion <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#The_side_issue_of_WP:SMALLCAT" title="Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134">right here</a>, there was some constructive dialogue but the incivility persisted:</i> </p> <ol><li>... "I am not obliged to sustain an assmption of good faith when someone repeatedly asserts that black is white." (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#The_side_issue_of_WP:SMALLCAT:~:text=I%20am%20not%20obliged%20to%20sustain%20an%20assmption%20of%20good%20faith%20when%20someone%20repeatedly%20asserts%20that%20black%20is%20white">CDlink</a>)</li> <li>… “repeatedly winding up other editors by denying reality “ … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#The_side_issue_of_WP:SMALLCAT:~:text=repeatedly%20winding%20up%20other%20editors%20by%20denying%20reality">Diff</a>)</li> <li>… “You make a balatantly false asertion here that our positions are similar. That sort of warping of history to paint me in a bad light is the complete opposite of WP:civility's requirement to ‘consideration and respect’” … (<a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1134#The_side_issue_of_WP:SMALLCAT:~:text=you%20make%20a,consideration%20and%20respect%22">CDlink</a>)</li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="CFD_is_Not_Usually_Contentious" data-mw-thread-id="h-CFD_is_Not_Usually_Contentious-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CFD_is_Not_Usually_Contentious-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>CFD is Not Usually Contentious<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CFD_is_Not_Usually_Contentious-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h3></div> <p><i>Readers of this ArbComm case might be forgiven for thinking that Categories For Discussion is interesting. It's pretty tame though:</i> </p> <ol><li>BrownHairedGirl nominated <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_7#Category:Goodyear_family" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 7">a category I created</a> and I supported deletion.</li> <li>BrownHairedGirl <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_26#Category:SAARC_user_templates" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 26">supported my nom</a></li> <li>LL supported <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_March_30#Years_and_decades_in_Abu_Dhabi" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 30">BrownHasiredGirl’s nomination</a></li> <li>Oculi nominated categories <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_24#Irish_field_hockey_players" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 24">BrownhairedGirl created</a> without objection.</li> <li>BrownHairedGirl <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_March_23#1_and_2_article_Greek_Orthodox_church_categories" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 23">closed this nomination</a> of mine.</li></ol> <p><i><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT">WP:SMALLCAT</a> is especially low stakes since I have no objection to recreating categories that exceed growth expectations.</i> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="A_Prior_Community_Restriction_for_BrownHairedGirl_Did_Not_Prevent_Any_of_the_Incivility_Above" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_Prior_Community_Restriction_for_BrownHairedGirl_Did_Not_Prevent_Any_of_the_Inc-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_Prior_Community_Restriction_for_BrownHairedGirl_Did_Not_Prevent_Any_of_the_Inc-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span>A Prior Community Restriction for BrownHairedGirl Did Not Prevent Any of the Incivility Above<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_Prior_Community_Restriction_for_BrownHairedGirl_Did_Not_Prevent_Any_of_the_Inc-Evidence_presented_by_RevelationDirect"></span></h3></div> <p><i>BrownHairedGirl was already <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions/Placed_by_the_Wikipedia_community#BrownHairedGirl" title="Wikipedia:Editing restrictions/Placed by the Wikipedia community">under community restriction for incivility</a> but that did not prevent or stop the incivility above:</i> </p> <ol><li><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=BrownHairedGirl&type=block">Block log</a></li></ol> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_PamD" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_PamD-20230802144900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_PamD-20230802144900"></span>Evidence presented by PamD<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_PamD-20230802144900"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p>I have never before (I think) presented evidence to an ArbCom case, so apologise in advance if there are rules or conventions I fail to follow. I had seen this case, <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3APamD%2Fsandbox&diff=1166444093&oldid=1166440346">drafted</a> some evidence, but left it aside as I was unsure whether it was appropriate. I have today read BHG's statement on her talk page, but not yet read her draft evidence page linked from it, so am submitting this evidence uninfluenced by her draft evidence except insofar as she reminds us that this case is about a dispute over SMALLCAT. </p><p>As context, I have always found BHG an enthusiastic and collegial fellow-editor, though sometimes impatient with those who are unwilling to learn. I don't know her as a person but believe we have some things in common: long-established editors, female, from east of the Atlantic, and (probably) well above the much-cited average age of Wikipedians, and with a passion for accuracy, grammatical English, and connecting the encyclopedia - categories, redirects, dab pages etc. Because she edits vast numbers of pages in her major, useful, projects, she crops up on a lot of people's watchlists and, sadly, irritates some of those editors, leading to interactions which can escalate unconstructively. </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Smallcat_appears_to_be_being_misinterpreted" data-mw-thread-id="h-Smallcat_appears_to_be_being_misinterpreted-Evidence_presented_by_PamD-20230802144900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Smallcat_appears_to_be_being_misinterpreted-Evidence_presented_by_PamD-20230802144900"></span>Smallcat appears to be being misinterpreted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Smallcat_appears_to_be_being_misinterpreted-Evidence_presented_by_PamD-20230802144900"></span></h3></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SMALLCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SMALLCAT"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PamD-20230802144900-Smallcat_appears_to_be_being_misinterpreted"></span>WP:SMALLCAT</a> previously redirected to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Small_with_no_potential_for_growth" title="Wikipedia:Overcategorization">Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Small with no potential for growth</a>, and this section was <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small_with_no_potential_for_growth&oldid=1165738485">split</a> on 17 July 2023 to form <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small_with_no_potential_for_growth" title="Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth">Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth</a>. The title is significant. </p><p>A group of categories were <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2023_June_25&diff=1161883159&oldid=1161882003">nominated for deletion/merging</a> on 25 June 2023, on the grounds that "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Per WP:SmallCat since each of these has less than 4 members.</q>" </p><p>SMALLCAT makes no mention of any numeric limit, and the only categories it deprecates ("Avoid ...") are those which "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">by their very definition, will never have more than a few members</q>" (its examples include <a href="/w/index.php?title=Category:Husbands_of_Elizabeth_Taylor&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Husbands of Elizabeth Taylor (page does not exist)">Category:Husbands of Elizabeth Taylor</a>), and even then it makes exceptions for categories which are "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme</q>". The second, clarificatory, paragraph goes on to point out "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time.</q>" </p><p>The categories being proposed for merging in that CfD were a group of cats relating to Northern Ireland, such as <a href="/wiki/Category:Geneticists_from_Northern_Ireland" title="Category:Geneticists from Northern Ireland">Category:Geneticists from Northern Ireland</a>. Clearly, this is not a category which "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">will never have more than a few members</q>": it is open-ended, and we can assume that there will be future notable geneticists from Northern Ireland. It has "<link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">potential for growth</q>". </p><p>But even if, implausibly, the study of genetics in the country had ceased so that the group was not going to expand, it is part of a large accepted sub-categorization scheme: it sits alongside <a href="/wiki/Category:English_geneticists" title="Category:English geneticists">Category:English geneticists</a>, <a href="/wiki/Category:Scottish_geneticists" title="Category:Scottish geneticists">Category:Scottish geneticists</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Category:Welsh_geneticists" title="Category:Welsh geneticists">Category:Welsh geneticists</a> as child categories of <a href="/wiki/Category:British_geneticists" title="Category:British geneticists">Category:British geneticists</a>, itself a child of <a href="/wiki/Category:Geneticists_by_nationality" title="Category:Geneticists by nationality">Category:Geneticists by nationality</a>. </p><p>Thus SMALLCAT provides no basis on which to nominate this and similar categories for merging/deletion. I <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1161898808">contributed</a> to the CfD discussion on 25 June, before things started to escalate, to oppose the merger of those categories which were clearly part of existing hierarchies (basically, those where there were already English, Scottish and/or Welsh parallel categories) and said I was neutral about the others where there might be other factors to consider. </p><p>The misinterpretation of SMALLCAT is a key part of the context of this case. <a href="/wiki/User:PamD" title="User:PamD"><span style="color: green"><i><b>Pam</b></i></span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PamD" title="User talk:PamD"><span style="color: brown"><i><b>D</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat_dispute/Evidence#c-PamD-20230802144900-Smallcat_appears_to_be_being_misinterpreted" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PamD-20230802144900-Smallcat_appears_to_be_being_misinterpreted"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PamD-20230802144900-Smallcat_appears_to_be_being_misinterpreted"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Evidence_presented_by_{your_user_name}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Evidence_presented_by_{your_user_name}"><span id="Evidence_presented_by_.7Byour_user_name.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Evidence_presented_by_{your_user_name}"></span>Evidence presented by {your user name}<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Evidence_presented_by_{your_user_name}"></span></h2></div> <p><i>before using the last evidence template, please make a copy for the next person</i> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="{Write_your_assertion_here}" data-mw-thread-id="h-{Write_your_assertion_here}-Evidence_presented_by_{your_user_name}"><span id=".7BWrite_your_assertion_here.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-{Write_your_assertion_here}-Evidence_presented_by_{your_user_name}"></span>{Write your assertion here}<span data-mw-comment-end="h-{Write_your_assertion_here}-Evidence_presented_by_{your_user_name}"></span></h3></div> <p>Place argument and diffs which support your assertion; for example, your first assertion might be "So-and-so engages in edit warring", which should be the title of this section. 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