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cVcgXh" style="width:100%;height:8px;cursor:pointer;display:flex;padding:0"><svg width="100%" height="8"><rect x="0" y="0" height="100%" width="100%" fill="var(--decorative-subdued, #dedede)"></rect><rect x="0" y="0" height="100%" width="0%" fill="var(--essential-bright-accent, #159542)"></rect><rect x="0%" y="0" height="100%" width="100%" fill="var(--decorative-subdued, #dedede)"></rect><rect x="0%" y="0" height="100%" width="0%" fill="var(--essential-bright-accent, #159542)"></rect></svg></button></div></div></div></div><div data-cy="episodeFeed" class="sc-BKchU XQIMT"><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Should-all-cats-have-a-loving-human-home-e2mue29" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Should all cats have a loving human home?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Should all cats have a loving human home?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>Worldwide, there are a vast number of unowned cats. But is this a bad thing? The cat lovers among us may wish for a world where all these moggies have a loving home and a human lap to purr in. But is this what the cats want?</p> <p>My guest today is Vicky Halls of International Cat Care, who is an expert in "unowned" cats. She believes that we should be making sure it is the cat that dictates the nature of their relationship with us, something humans are not so great at doing when it comes to animals! </p> <p><br /></p> <p>Learn more here: https://icatcare.org/unowned-cats/</p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Aug 07, 2024</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">35:28</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Is-downplaying-animal-abuse-endangering-human-lives-e2mjjf6" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Is downplaying animal abuse endangering human lives?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Is downplaying animal abuse endangering human lives?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>In the UK, where I'm currently living, you will get 15 years imprisonment for armed robbery, due to the lasting physical and psychological damage to the victim. But abuse, or kill an animal? You'll get away with a maximum of 5 years, but probably less, even if this animal is the companion of a human. </p> <p><br /></p> <p>The abuse of companion animals is rife in domestic abuse settings, yet it is rarely spoken about, nor taken as seriously as other crimes. My guest today wants to change that. Maya Badham trains professionals to recognise the link between abuse of animals and abuse of humans, particularly within a domestic setting. </p> <p><br /></p> <p>She joins me in this episode to discuss how we often overlook actions that affect the animals present in the home when we investigate domestic abuse. </p> <p><br /></p> <p>You can read more about her work on her website: https://sahsda.wixsite.com/sahsda </p> <p><br /></p> <p>As our audience is international, we cannot signpost to specific organisations here, but if you, or anyone you know is affected by anything discussed in this episode, please reach out to your local support services as soon as possible. </p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Jul 29, 2024</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">31:27</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Are-animal-rescue-organisations-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-e2e32bd" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Are animal rescue organisations barking up the wrong tree?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Are animal rescue organisations barking up the wrong tree?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>A year as a key decision maker in the world of animal rescue showed me just how difficult it is to change mindsets in a highly emotive field. Yet, many of the well-meaning policies rescues employ may actually be doing more harm than good in the long run. So in this episode, I am joined by my guest Dr Karen Griffin of the Dog Rehoming Project to investigate how animal rescues could be using scientific evidence, instead of anecdotes and emotions, to make data-driven decisions and ultimately help more animals in their communities. </p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Jan 06, 2024</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">31:59</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Are-Feminists-required-to-be-Vegan-e1iskoc" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Are Feminists required to be Vegan?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Are Feminists required to be Vegan?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>The inspiration from today's episode came from the 2019 paper: The Milkmaid’s Tale: Veganism, Feminism, and Dystopian Food Futures, by Dr Angela Lee. I was lucky enough to have Dr Lee join me to discuss her work on the systemic nature of food, and how our dietary choices are intrinsically linked to social justice issues. I ponder the questions: is it morally admissible for vegetarians and vegans to eat fake meat products? And if you consider yourself a feminist, does this mean that you are morally required to be vegan?</p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">May 22, 2022</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">36:09</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/What-can-our-kinship-with-animals-tell-us-about-our-relationships-with-other-humans-e1a93mf" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="What can our kinship with animals tell us about our relationships with other humans?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">What can our kinship with animals tell us about our relationships with other humans?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>I speak with Maythe Han, a PhD anthropology researcher who has been investigating kinship between humans and their dogs. Despite the project being "a love letter" to her own dog, she has uncovered a dark side to our love for our closest canine companions...</p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Nov 14, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">31:06</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Just-how-close-are-we-to-our-Chimpanzee-cousins-e169qkq" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Just how close are we to our Chimpanzee cousins?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Just how close are we to our Chimpanzee cousins?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>As humans, we love to categorize. But what if these categorizations don't really reflect biological reality? Professor Volker Sommer joins me this week to give us some insight into the history, and the problems with, the taxonomic system, including whether some non-human primates should actually be included in our "human" genus Homo. </p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Aug 22, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">32:08</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Can-an-elephant-be-legally-recognised-as-a-person-e15aklk" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Can an elephant be legally recognised as a person?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Can an elephant be legally recognised as a person?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>Happy, a captive elephant, currently has a petition filed on her behalf for a common law writ of habeas corpus (that is, against unlawful and indefinite imprisonment) in the New York Supreme Court. Those who filed the petition are demanding recognition of Happy’s legal personhood and fundamental right to bodily liberty. But what is legal personhood? What does it mean to be a "person"? To answer these questions I'm joined by Dr Joe Wills of the University of Leicester, expert in human rights, animal rights and legal, political and moral theory. </p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Aug 01, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">34:40</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Why-do-we-use-Primates-in-research-e14l4c1" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Why do we use Primates in research?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Why do we use Primates in research?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>A "behind the scenes" look at the history, and current practices of using primates in laboratory research. Why do we use these animals? What are the problems associated with their use? To help answer these questions I am joined by Janire Castellano Bueno, PhD student at Newcastle University, who works on improving welfare for laboratory rhesus macaques. </p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Jul 18, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">26:54</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Do-animals-play-e13fu35" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Do animals play?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Do animals play?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>Dr Raoul Schwing of the Kea Lab in Austria joins me to talk about one of his favourite topics, play. Do animals play? Why? And what special purpose does play serve in Kea parrots, one of the smartest and most mischievous birds on the planet?</p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Jun 27, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">28:20</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/What-does-a-vet-and-an-environmentalist-have-in-common-e12mqm2" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="What does a vet and an environmentalist have in common?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">What does a vet and an environmentalist have in common?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>My guest today is Dr Simon Doherty of Queens University, Belfast. He talks to me about risks of zoonotic diseases, and how the best way to tackle these, and other public health problems is through communication and collaboration across scientific fields.</p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Jun 13, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">34:14</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/What-is-sentience-anyway-e11e5r4" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="What is sentience anyway?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">What is sentience anyway?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>This month, the UK government introduced a Bill to formally recognise animals as sentient beings. But what does this mean? And why is it important? What animals are sentient, and how do we know? To answer (some) of these questions I am joined by Dr Janet Pauketat, research fellow at the Sentience Institute.</p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">May 23, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">25:13</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Do-fish-feel-pain-e10ie4g" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Do fish feel pain?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Do fish feel pain?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>I am joined by Dr Lynne Sneddon, a fish pain and welfare expert, who explains the research she does on fish pain, her incredible discoveries, and how she is using this research to drive welfare changes for fish everywhere</p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">May 09, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">34:10</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Is-the-media-brainwashing-us-e1048dv" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Is the media brainwashing us?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Is the media brainwashing us?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr"><div><p>Dr. Judith Benz-Schwarzburg, a scholar of human-animal studies at the Messerli Institute, Vienna, joins me to discuss how the media diverts scruitiny from the meat industry, and how advertisers use clever tricks to sooth our conscience and keep us spending our money on their products, guilt-free. This conversation left me wondering... is the media brainwashing us?</p></div></div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">May 02, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">30:59</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Are-pets-the-new-kids-evnglp" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-fGzRZM kRhvjA"></div><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="Are pets the new kids?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Are pets the new kids?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr">A brief history of animal law and I have the privilage of speaking to Professor David Favre, a law professor at Michigan University. He sets out his idea for a new category under the law that would give additional protection to companion animals, bringing them closer to the status that children currently have, particularly in areas of divorce and inheritance. But who will and won't be protected?</div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Apr 25, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">33:25</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/What-is-it-like-to-be-a-bat-evngth" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_nologo400/14776137/4c91a285d804efcd.jpeg" alt="What is it like to be a bat?" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">What is it like to be a bat?</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr">Evolution has endowed humans and every other living being on earth with a unique set of organs and sensory abilities that allow them to navigate the world. We understand the functions and mechanisms of these attributes better than ever before, but one big question remains, which has baffled scientists and philosophers alike for centuries: where does our sensation of conciousness come from? And do other animals experience conciousness as we do? Do AI computers experience something like conciousness? How do we even know anyone else, besides ourselves, experiences conciousness like we do?</div></div></span></div><div class="sc-gGTnoT jrYzth"><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">Apr 18, 2021</span><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm keeWOF" data-encore-id="text">30:03</span></div></a><a href="/animalisticpod/episodes/Animalistic-Intro-evngre" class="sc-dfooXd gpWWIo"><div class="sc-jdgsoA eyACCb"><img src="https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/production/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14776137/14776137-1620583265104-523742c0c7e4f.jpg" alt="Animalistic Intro" class="sc-cLblER iUzrSE"/><div class="sc-grkHWm fZcEVr"><button aria-label="Play icon" data-encore-id="buttonPrimary" data-is-icon-only="true" class="e-9640-focus-border e-9640-button-primary e-9640-button"><span class="e-9640-baseline e-9640-overflow-wrap-anywhere e-9640-button-primary__inner encore-base-set e-9640-button-icon-only--small"><span aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-button__icon-wrapper"><svg data-encore-id="icon" role="img" aria-hidden="true" class="e-9640-icon" style="--encore-icon-height:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller);--encore-icon-width:var(--encore-graphic-size-decorative-smaller)" viewBox="0 0 16 16"><path d='M3 1.713a.7.7 0 0 1 1.05-.607l10.89 6.288a.7.7 0 0 1 0 1.212L4.05 14.894A.7.7 0 0 1 3 14.288V1.713z'/></svg></span></span></button></div></div><div class="sc-bdYMGw gUFzfW"><h4 class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-medium-bold encore-internal-color-text-base" data-encore-id="text" style="padding-block-end:4px" data-cy="episodeFeedTitle"><div line="2" class="sc-ljusIj jCDuOD">Animalistic Intro</div></h4><span class="e-9640-text encore-text-body-small encore-internal-color-text-subdued sc-eFDKYm sc-hHPuqt keeWOF eeFzhF" data-encore-id="text"><div class="sc-cmJppL ljzquO"><div numMaxLines="2" class="sc-kFKoiG lMngr">My name is Katharine Creagh. I studied psychology and human-animal interactions. 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