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One being the Philippine one (which you seem to be familiar with), and another one being an unrelated splinter group of the <a href="/wiki/Worldwide_Church_of_God" class="mw-redirect" title="Worldwide Church of God">Worldwide Church of God</a>. Both should be mentioned in the article, as both exist. We also could make the page a disambiguity page (see <a href="/wiki/Barrel" title="Barrel">Barrel</a> for an example). But both should be mentioned. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_73" title="User:Chris 73">Chris 73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_73" title="User talk:Chris 73">Talk</a> 13:51, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC) </p> <dl><dd>I have made <a href="/wiki/Church_of_God_International" class="mw-disambig" title="Church of God International">Church of God International</a> a disambig page, listing both <a href="/wiki/Church_of_God_International_(Philippines)" class="mw-redirect" title="Church of God International (Philippines)">Church of God International (Philippines)</a> and <a href="/wiki/Church_of_God_International_(USA)" class="mw-redirect" title="Church of God International (USA)">Church of God International (USA)</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_73" title="User:Chris 73">Chris 73</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_73" title="User talk:Chris 73">Talk</a> 23:54, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)</dd></dl> <p>If this is listed as a "cult" then the INC should be listed as the same. Yet the INC is allowed to be changed to "independent, non-trinitarian Christian church" which the same can be said for church of god international. </p><p>So either replace the word "cult" with "independent, non-trinitarian Christian church" or go to the INC page and change "independent, non-trinitarian Christian church" to "cult" <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.207.83.200" title="Special:Contributions/68.207.83.200">68.207.83.200</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.207.83.200" title="User talk:68.207.83.200">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-68.207.83.200-2009-10-08T04:19:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 8 October 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.207.83.200-2009-10-08T04:19:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.207.83.200-2009-10-08T04:19:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T08:03:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2009-10-08T04:19:00.000Z"></span>Were you referring to the rant (just removed) ? I will be removing mentions of cult in the article or rather the opinion of it being a rant in the article after this.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jondel" title="User:Jondel">Jondel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jondel" title="User talk:Jondel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Jondel-2010-02-10T08:03:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2009-10-08T04:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T08:03:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2009-10-08T04:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T08:03:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2009-10-08T04:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Remove_Critical_Facts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Remove_Critical_Facts-2008-06-12T11:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Remove_Critical_Facts-2008-06-12T11:42:00.000Z"></span>Remove <i>Critical</i> Facts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Remove_Critical_Facts-2008-06-12T11:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Remove Critical Facts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z-Remove_Critical_Facts"></span>User <a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jondel">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jondel</a> is starting an edit war with this page. Removing that the INC is a cult, but posted that Members of Church of God are a cult. Once again, both should be listed as cults, or the word cult removed from both. They can't keep vandalizing this page.. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.207.83.200" title="Special:Contributions/68.207.83.200">68.207.83.200</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.207.83.200" title="User talk:68.207.83.200">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z-Remove_Critical_Facts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z-Remove_Critical_Facts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z-Remove_Critical_Facts"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T08:22:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"></span>Can you show me where I indicated that <s>I said</s>'Members of Church of God' is a cult? --<a href="/wiki/User:Jondel" title="User:Jondel">Jondel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jondel" title="User talk:Jondel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Jondel-2010-02-10T08:22:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T08:22:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T08:22:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dar_book-2008-06-12T11:42:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"></span>There seems to be an anonymus IP address that has been <b>indirectly starting and edit war with me</b>, maybe we could end this indirect conflict by removing cult critisims, especially in the first paragraph of the page. <a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book">Dar book</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dar_book" title="User talk:Dar book">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Dar_book-2008-06-12T11:42:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dar_book-2008-06-12T11:42:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dar_book-2008-06-12T11:42:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jondel-2010-02-11T11:58:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"></span>I removed the word 'cult ' from both. If an organization, as an organization, does harass, use violence physically, or psychologically to an individual or society or extort money or engage in scams or condone sex specially with minors, then it should not be labeled as a 'cult'. Please don't involve wiki with internal 'family ' quarrels of the said organizations.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jondel" title="User:Jondel">Jondel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jondel" title="User talk:Jondel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Jondel-2010-02-11T11:58:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jondel-2010-02-11T11:58:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jondel-2010-02-11T11:58:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-25T23:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-68.207.83.200-2010-01-12T03:26:00.000Z-Remove_Critical_Facts"></span>Removed this "* Only the wise understands the Bible and none of the wicked can understand the Holy Scriptures The <i>Sugo</i> (sent one), who is none other than <a href="/wiki/Eliseo_Soriano" class="mw-redirect" title="Eliseo Soriano">Eliseo Soriano</a>, speaks the words of God. The church proves that Soriano is the fulfilment of Daniel 12:4,9-10 through debates and Ecclesiastes 9:13-16. He is the "wise" who shall understand the Bible in the last days. In his disclaimer, Soriano tells members to test him if he the real "wise one". " </p><p>As this is not true information unless it can be backed up to linked to a credible source. If you wish to re-add please provide a source. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.207.83.200" title="Special:Contributions/68.207.83.200">68.207.83.200</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:68.207.83.200" title="User talk:68.207.83.200">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-68.207.83.200-2010-01-12T03:26:00.000Z-Remove_Critical_Facts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-68.207.83.200-2010-01-12T03:26:00.000Z-Remove_Critical_Facts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-68.207.83.200-2010-01-12T03:26:00.000Z-Remove_Critical_Facts"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-99.173.20.21-2008-10-03T14:34:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-12T03:26:00.000Z"></span>It is not an "edit war". As a member of the organization (he has admitted such to Wiki members) Dar Book has a history of removing germaine, encycolpedic content that is construed negatively by the group. Do a check of his edits and you will see that his additions are often propaganda, and his removals are always facts that reflect poorly on the organization. Hence his desire to remove content (in the above statement) that has been accepted for many months. The statement regarding the status of the group in the larger Christian community is very relevant ESPECIALLY when discussing (as we are) possible confusion between this group and others. The statement becomes therefore more significant, not less. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.173.20.21" title="Special:Contributions/99.173.20.21">99.173.20.21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:99.173.20.21" title="User talk:99.173.20.21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-99.173.20.21-2008-10-03T14:34:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-12T03:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)</a></span> ]]<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-99.173.20.21-2008-10-03T14:34:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-12T03:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-99.173.20.21-2008-10-03T14:34:00.000Z-68.207.83.200-2010-01-12T03:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z-99.173.20.21-2008-10-03T14:34:00.000Z"></span>I checked his edits, and he just tries to remove facts that "less-propagates" the church, yet he only admitted that he is an <i>outcast advocator</i> (he said it to 50%Quick). Yet, why are we all against him. I saw an exxagerated fact that he didn't make. So why is everybody against him? A fact in this article is <b>clearly wrong</b> yet you say <i>Mr.99.173.20.21</i> that he is only adding propaganda. Hence, his desire may me biased but is right. <a href="/wiki/User:Defenz_07" title="User:Defenz 07">Defenz 07</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Defenz_07" title="User talk:Defenz 07">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z-99.173.20.21-2008-10-03T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z-99.173.20.21-2008-10-03T14:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z-99.173.20.21-2008-10-03T14:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-11T21:37:00.000Z-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z"></span>You <i>checked his edits</i>? You and <a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book">Dar book</a> are the <a href="/wiki/User:Defenz_07" title="User:Defenz 07">same person</a> as established by CheckUser. But I wouldn't be surprised... no honest, upright and moral man would join a religious organization being led by a fugitive criminal. <i>"By their fruits ye shall know them."</i> (Matthew 7:16). I have told you before, if devotion to your leader drives you to commit evil then perhaps it is time to think twice about your religion. – <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shannon_Rose&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shannon Rose (page does not exist)">Shannon Rose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shannon_Rose" title="User talk:Shannon Rose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-11T21:37:00.000Z-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-11T21:37:00.000Z-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-11T21:37:00.000Z-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dar_book-2008-10-25T07:46:00.000Z-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-11T21:37:00.000Z"></span>I admit it, <a href="/wiki/User:Defenz_07" title="User:Defenz 07">Defenz_07</a> is my alternate account or a <i>sockpuppet</i> in your terms. I thought that your kind, but this waryness you have showed me before has already turned to hostility. You have reverted all postive edits done by other users thinking its <i>propaganda</i>. Why are so NEGATIVE about this article and all its related articles? I won't do anything to this article for a while, as you want it to be (in exchange for your kindness you gave me). Just wanting to know on what christian denomination do you belong. Your beliefs about this church are negative, and I belive that that is the reason why have reverted all postive edits done by other users even if it has references. I was touched by the verse you said, but if you were a Roman Citizen during the ancient times you would have also treated Jesus as a <i>fugitive criminal leader</i>. I already expected enemies. "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Mark 13:13, <i>KJV</i>). Well, I'll be dormant about this article (and about this <i>edit war</i>); goodbye. <a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book">Dar book</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dar_book" title="User talk:Dar book">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Dar_book-2008-10-25T07:46:00.000Z-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-11T21:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dar_book-2008-10-25T07:46:00.000Z-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-11T21:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dar_book-2008-10-25T07:46:00.000Z-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-11T21:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Conrad940-2009-03-15T22:39:00.000Z-Dar_book-2008-10-25T07:46:00.000Z"></span>I'm not wishing to be involve in this discussion but I just couldn't leave this alone. Whether intentionally or not, you <a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book">Dar book</a> comparing Soriano to the Lord Jesus' is at the very least, at the very least, blasphemous. The Lord Jesus was persecuted not because of any crime of the flesh for He was without sin, but because of his teachings. Any preacher who allows themselves to be compare to the Lord should be ashamed of themselves. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Conrad940&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Conrad940 (page does not exist)">Conrad940</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Conrad940" title="User talk:Conrad940">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Conrad940-2009-03-15T22:39:00.000Z-Dar_book-2008-10-25T07:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Conrad940-2009-03-15T22:39:00.000Z-Dar_book-2008-10-25T07:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Conrad940-2009-03-15T22:39:00.000Z-Dar_book-2008-10-25T07:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-99.173.20.21-2008-10-06T21:03:00.000Z-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z"></span>Dar Book admitted to another Wiki user that he was a member of this church on this very page. Defenz - there is a difference between (as you put it) being an "outcast advocator", and as Dar Book said, that he was an "outspoken advocate". Your last sentence also indicates that you are not grasping the purpose of an encyclopedic site. Bias may be correct or incorrect (e.g. Abraham Lincoln was the greatest president of the U.S.), but it is not appropriate encyclopedic content. No one is "against" Dar Book. Intelligent people however are able to recognize the difference between "facts" and propaganda, and almost all of Dar Book's entries serve more to proseletyze than to inform. He has also removed encyclopedic content related to Eli Soriano's legal issues, and has added unverifiable information, POV, and trivial information that serves no other purpose but to defend the leader of this group. One notable example relates to Eli Soriano not making particular comments himself. As the unquestioned leader of the group, and as the one who controls all facets of the doctrine of the church, it is ridiculous to say that the beliefs of the group do not reflect his own, simply because an underling made the comments regarding his infallibility. Especially since he has never repudiated what was said on his behalf. I would ask you "Defenz", in the spirit of full disclosure, whether you would be willing to disclose whether you yourself are affiliated with this organization. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.173.20.21" title="Special:Contributions/99.173.20.21">99.173.20.21</a> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/99.173.20.21" title="Special:Contributions/99.173.20.21">99.173.20.21</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:99.173.20.21" title="User talk:99.173.20.21">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-99.173.20.21-2008-10-06T21:03:00.000Z-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-99.173.20.21-2008-10-06T21:03:00.000Z-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-99.173.20.21-2008-10-06T21:03:00.000Z-Defenz_07-2008-10-05T07:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Iglesia_ni_YHWH_at_ni_YHWSA_HMSYH" data-mw-thread-id="h-Iglesia_ni_YHWH_at_ni_YHWSA_HMSYH-2007-06-30T10:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Iglesia_ni_YHWH_at_ni_YHWSA_HMSYH-2007-06-30T10:50:00.000Z"></span>Iglesia ni YHWH at ni YHWSA HMSYH<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Iglesia_ni_YHWH_at_ni_YHWSA_HMSYH-2007-06-30T10:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Iglesia ni YHWH at ni YHWSA HMSYH"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zxyggrhyn-2007-06-30T10:50:00.000Z-Iglesia_ni_YHWH_at_ni_YHWSA_HMSYH"></span>The name <i>Iglesia ni YHWH at ni YHWSA HMSYH</i> was deleted from the <a href="https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_Church_of_God_International" class="extiw" title="tl:Members Church of God International">Tagalog version of the article</a>. Does this mean that it’s not actually the church’s real name? </p><p>What're the English translations for the words 'YHWH' and 'YHWSA HMSYH'? And from what language did it come from? Just asking... Ü <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Zxyggrhyn&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Zxyggrhyn (page does not exist)">Zxyggrhyn</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Zxyggrhyn-2007-06-30T10:50:00.000Z-Iglesia_ni_YHWH_at_ni_YHWSA_HMSYH" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zxyggrhyn-2007-06-30T10:50:00.000Z-Iglesia_ni_YHWH_at_ni_YHWSA_HMSYH"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zxyggrhyn-2007-06-30T10:50:00.000Z-Iglesia_ni_YHWH_at_ni_YHWSA_HMSYH"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Contrary_to_NPOV_Policy" data-mw-thread-id="h-Contrary_to_NPOV_Policy-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Contrary_to_NPOV_Policy-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z"></span>Contrary to NPOV Policy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Contrary_to_NPOV_Policy-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Contrary to NPOV Policy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jkaki00-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z-Contrary_to_NPOV_Policy"></span>This page clearly does not satisfy the Wikipedia NPOV policy. It is too laudatory of Eli Soriano and treats as accepted fact a number of things which are more religious creed than neutral, proven fact or accepted theory. For example, the statement "Soriano, who showed UNDENIABLE MASTERY of the Bible and SINCERE AFFECTION to the congregants, is [sic: was] being groomed by the old Perez to be his successor when he [sic: Perez] passed away." [emphasis added]. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Jkaki00&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Jkaki00 (page does not exist)">Jkaki00</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Jkaki00-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z-Contrary_to_NPOV_Policy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jkaki00-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z-Contrary_to_NPOV_Policy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jkaki00-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z-Contrary_to_NPOV_Policy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chris_73-2006-12-03T14:27:00.000Z-Jkaki00-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z"></span>Reworded it. I agree, there is lots of POV on this article, I occasionally roll back some too extreme POV. Feel free to change it if you like -- <a href="/wiki/User:Chris_73" title="User:Chris 73">Chris 73</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chris_73" title="User talk:Chris 73">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Chris_73-2006-12-03T14:27:00.000Z-Jkaki00-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chris_73-2006-12-03T14:27:00.000Z-Jkaki00-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chris_73-2006-12-03T14:27:00.000Z-Jkaki00-2006-12-03T13:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Unspecified_source_for_Image:Add_logo.jpg" data-mw-thread-id="h-Unspecified_source_for_Image:Add_logo.jpg-2007-05-31T16:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Unspecified_source_for_Image:Add_logo.jpg-2007-05-31T16:11:00.000Z"></span>Unspecified source for <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Add_logo.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Add logo.jpg (page does not exist)">Image:Add logo.jpg</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Unspecified_source_for_Image:Add_logo.jpg-2007-05-31T16:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Unspecified source for Image:Add logo.jpg"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BetacommandBot-2007-05-31T16:11:00.000Z-Unspecified_source_for_Image:Add_logo.jpg"></span>I found <b><a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Add_logo.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Add logo.jpg (page does not exist)">Image:Add logo.jpg</a></b> and noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the <a href="/wiki/Copyright" title="Copyright">copyright</a> status is unclear. 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Thank you.<a href="/wiki/User:BetacommandBot" title="User:BetacommandBot">BetacommandBot</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-BetacommandBot-2007-05-31T16:11:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Add_logo.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BetacommandBot-2007-05-31T16:11:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Add_logo.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BetacommandBot-2007-05-31T16:11:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Add_logo.jpg"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Possible_contradiction?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Possible_contradiction?-2007-10-26T00:26:00.000Z"><span id="Possible_contradiction.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Possible_contradiction?-2007-10-26T00:26:00.000Z"></span>Possible contradiction?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Possible_contradiction?-2007-10-26T00:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Possible contradiction?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-12.42.238.243-2007-10-26T00:26:00.000Z-Possible_contradiction?"></span>Under subheading "Teachings about the Church" are these two items: </p> <ul><li>Salvation can only be attained by following all the laws of Christ in the New Testament including joining the Members Church of God International.</li> <li>A person may be saved even though he has not heard of the Gospel. He will be judged by God according to his conscience.</li></ul> <p>Only the latter has a source. Should the former be removed? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:12.42.238.243&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:12.42.238.243 (page does not exist)">12.42.238.243</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-12.42.238.243-2007-10-26T00:26:00.000Z-Possible_contradiction?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-12.42.238.243-2007-10-26T00:26:00.000Z-Possible_contradiction?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-12.42.238.243-2007-10-26T00:26:00.000Z-Possible_contradiction?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dar_book-2007-12-28T02:56:00.000Z-Possible_contradiction?"></span>It's not a contradiction, a person <b>may be saved even though he has not heard of the Gospel.</b>. It means that:</dd></dl> <ul><li>for those who had heard the Members Church of God International, there is no excuse for you not to join it.</li> <li>for those whom have not heard the Members Church of God International and had passed away, God will <b>judge him according to his conscience.</b></li></ul> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book">Dar book</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dar_book" title="User talk:Dar book">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Dar_book-2007-12-28T02:56:00.000Z-Possible_contradiction?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dar_book-2007-12-28T02:56:00.000Z-Possible_contradiction?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dar_book-2007-12-28T02:56:00.000Z-Possible_contradiction?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-12.42.238.243-2007-12-31T03:14:00.000Z-Dar_book-2007-12-28T02:56:00.000Z"></span>So a person may be saved <i>if</i> (a) she follows "all the laws of Christ in the New Testament including joining the Members Church of God International", <i>or if</i> (b) she "has not heard of the Gospel" and is subsequently saved after judgment. Would you please explain how the existence of a second option does not conflict with the assertion that salvation can <b>only</b> be attained by the former? I will leave the statements unmodified for now, but one or both will need to be changed. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/12.42.238.243" title="Special:Contributions/12.42.238.243">12.42.238.243</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:12.42.238.243" title="User talk:12.42.238.243">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-12.42.238.243-2007-12-31T03:14:00.000Z-Dar_book-2007-12-28T02:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-12.42.238.243-2007-12-31T03:14:00.000Z-Dar_book-2007-12-28T02:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-12.42.238.243-2007-12-31T03:14:00.000Z-Dar_book-2007-12-28T02:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dar_book-2008-01-16T11:20:00.000Z-12.42.238.243-2007-12-31T03:14:00.000Z"></span>Not all those who haven't heard of the gospel will be saved. God will <b>judge him according to his consience</b> and if the person was evil (e.g. a murderer) he will not be saved since he did not change his ways. <a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book">Dar book</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dar_book" title="User talk:Dar book">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Dar_book-2008-01-16T11:20:00.000Z-12.42.238.243-2007-12-31T03:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dar_book-2008-01-16T11:20:00.000Z-12.42.238.243-2007-12-31T03:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dar_book-2008-01-16T11:20:00.000Z-12.42.238.243-2007-12-31T03:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Members_Church_of_God_International_or_Members_of_the_Church_of_God_International" data-mw-thread-id="h-Members_Church_of_God_International_or_Members_of_the_Church_of_God_Internationa-2008-09-14T08:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Members_Church_of_God_International_or_Members_of_the_Church_of_God_Internationa-2008-09-14T08:50:00.000Z"></span>Members Church of God International or Members of the Church of God International<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Members_Church_of_God_International_or_Members_of_the_Church_of_God_Internationa-2008-09-14T08:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Members Church of God International or Members of the Church of God International"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dar_book-2008-09-14T08:50:00.000Z-Members_Church_of_God_International_or_Members_of_the_Church_of_God_Internationa"></span>Should this alternate title be used "Members <i>of the</i> Church of God International", I saw the second name at <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.untvweb.com/program/ang-dating-daan.html">The UNTV Website</a>. The second name could be used in the article. <a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book">Dar book</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dar_book" title="User talk:Dar book">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Dar_book-2008-09-14T08:50:00.000Z-Members_Church_of_God_International_or_Members_of_the_Church_of_God_Internationa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dar_book-2008-09-14T08:50:00.000Z-Members_Church_of_God_International_or_Members_of_the_Church_of_God_Internationa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dar_book-2008-09-14T08:50:00.000Z-Members_Church_of_God_International_or_Members_of_the_Church_of_God_Internationa"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable,_third-party,_published_sources" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable,_third-party,_published_sources-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable.2C_third-party.2C_published_sources"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable,_third-party,_published_sources-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">Wikipedia articles should use reliable, third-party, published sources</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable,_third-party,_published_sources-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Wikipedia articles should use reliable, third-party, published sources"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable,_third-party,_published_sources"></span>Please be watchful of members of this religious cult manipulating the facts and using personal blogs and Internet discussion groups such as <i>journeyist.blogspot.com/, robertbobclarita.newsvine.com</i>, <i>janeabao.newsvine.com</i> etc. as sources. When you see such edits restore the article to the most recent NPOV version and warn the user straightaway. Obvious propagandists should be reported at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:COI/N" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:COI/N">WP:COI/N</a> for immediate ban. - <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shannon_Rose&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shannon Rose (page does not exist)">Shannon Rose</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shannon_Rose" title="User talk:Shannon Rose">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable,_third-party,_published_sources" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable,_third-party,_published_sources"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z-Wikipedia_articles_should_use_reliable,_third-party,_published_sources"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dar_book-2008-10-19T08:58:00.000Z-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span>Yah, thats the reason why I'll stop editing this article for a while, I don't want confilct with other users, especially with you <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shannon_Rose&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shannon Rose (page does not exist)">Shannon Rose</a>. I don't want this conflict to spread. But to ask you, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Shannon_Rose&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Shannon Rose (page does not exist)">Shannon Rose</a> what is your religion? Defenz_07 and I saw what your wrote above. Since you know the <i>gossip</i> about our leader, what Christian denomination do you belong? <a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book">Dar book</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dar_book" title="User talk:Dar book">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Dar_book-2008-10-19T08:58:00.000Z-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dar_book-2008-10-19T08:58:00.000Z-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dar_book-2008-10-19T08:58:00.000Z-Shannon_Rose-2008-10-08T19:37:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry-2008-10-22T12:35:00.000Z-Dar_book-2008-10-19T08:58:00.000Z"></span>That's not a question you should be asking. Shannon Rose, you do not have to answer it unless you want to. I am quite convinced that religion is not Shannon's motivation here. Even I've heard of this chap, and I'm not Christian or Filipino. <a href="/wiki/User:Chase_me_ladies,_I%27m_the_Cavalry" title="User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry">Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chase_me_ladies,_I%27m_the_Cavalry" title="User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry-2008-10-22T12:35:00.000Z-Dar_book-2008-10-19T08:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry-2008-10-22T12:35:00.000Z-Dar_book-2008-10-19T08:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry-2008-10-22T12:35:00.000Z-Dar_book-2008-10-19T08:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_work_group" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_work_group-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_work_group-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z"></span>Proposed work group<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_work_group-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Proposed work group"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-John_Carter-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z-Proposed_work_group"></span>There is currently discussion regarding the creation of a work group specifically to deal with articles dealing with this subject, among others, <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Christianity/General_Forum#Project_organization" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum">here</a></b>. Any parties interested in working in such a group are welcome to indicate their interest there. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:John_Carter" title="User:John Carter">John Carter</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:John_Carter" title="User talk:John Carter">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-John_Carter-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z-Proposed_work_group" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-John_Carter-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z-Proposed_work_group"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-John_Carter-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z-Proposed_work_group"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dar_book-2009-04-28T02:01:00.000Z-John_Carter-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z"></span>I don't think a work group is a good idea. First, most of the members who edit this article (to admit it) add unbelievable facts about the statistics of the church. Also, most of the members and to those who know about the chuch are always accused of <i>whitewashing</i> this article. Second, if the "POV editors" keep trying to add <b>black propaganda</b> to this article. Then, the quality of this article may never improve. I'm very sorry. <a href="/wiki/User:Dar_book" title="User:Dar book"><span style="color:#0038A8;"><i>Dar book</i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dar_book" title="User talk:Dar book"><span style="color: green; font-weight: bold"><small>(Complains?)</small></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Dar_book-2009-04-28T02:01:00.000Z-John_Carter-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dar_book-2009-04-28T02:01:00.000Z-John_Carter-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dar_book-2009-04-28T02:01:00.000Z-John_Carter-2009-03-15T17:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Cult" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cult-2010-02-10T07:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cult-2010-02-10T07:36:00.000Z"></span>Cult<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cult-2010-02-10T07:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Cult"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T07:36:00.000Z-Cult"></span>Please respect other religions. If the organization does not harass or harm individuals or society, physically, mentally or financially through scams please respect it. Otherwise you may doing an injustice. Please understand that this is a civil and neutral encyclopedia.--<a href="/wiki/User:Jondel" title="User:Jondel">Jondel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jondel" title="User talk:Jondel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Jondel-2010-02-10T07:36:00.000Z-Cult" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T07:36:00.000Z-Cult"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jondel-2010-02-10T07:36:00.000Z-Cult"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MCGI_a_Cult?_1000%_yes" data-mw-thread-id="h-MCGI_a_Cult?_1000%_yes-2010-07-05T07:10:00.000Z"><span id="MCGI_a_Cult.3F_1000.25_yes"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MCGI_a_Cult?_1000%_yes-2010-07-05T07:10:00.000Z"></span>MCGI a Cult? 1000% yes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-MCGI_a_Cult?_1000%_yes-2010-07-05T07:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: MCGI a Cult? 1000% yes"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-121.54.68.114-2010-07-05T07:10:00.000Z-MCGI_a_Cult?_1000%_yes"></span>You cannot respect or tolerate disease or poison, MCGI is a parasitic disease, it must be eradicated, it's members should be rescued, tolerance for evil? no way! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/121.54.68.114" title="Special:Contributions/121.54.68.114">121.54.68.114</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:121.54.68.114" title="User talk:121.54.68.114">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-121.54.68.114-2010-07-05T07:10:00.000Z-MCGI_a_Cult?_1000%_yes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-121.54.68.114-2010-07-05T07:10:00.000Z-MCGI_a_Cult?_1000%_yes"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-121.54.68.114-2010-07-05T07:10:00.000Z-MCGI_a_Cult?_1000%_yes"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <pre> Accusing someone/something of being a malevolent entity is one thing, presenting points and facts to support the accusation is another. Strong statements require strong evidence; otherwise, that's called slander. </pre> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Official_Logo" data-mw-thread-id="h-Official_Logo-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Official_Logo-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z"></span>Official Logo<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Official_Logo-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Official Logo"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Otanix-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z-Official_Logo"></span>I noticed that the present logo displayed in this wikipedia article is far from the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mcgi.org/en/welcome/meet_mcgi/church_seal/">official logo</a> displayed in the website. </p><p>According to the website, the official logo doesn't contain the English text "Church of God International". I've seen their logo in Brazil with this text around it: <i>Membros da Igreja de Deus Internacional</i>. So I think that the text around the logo is not a part of the official logo but only a decoration or customization depending on the language or the country where the Church is registered. </p><p>I think the logo in this wikipedia article should use the official one instead, but I'm not sure if it's legally possible. The source of the logo image can be found here: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://graphics.mcgi.org/3/2009/11/24/58.jpg">http://graphics.mcgi.org/3/2009/11/24/58.jpg</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Otanix&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Otanix (page does not exist)">Otanix</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Otanix&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Otanix (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Otanix-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z-Official_Logo" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)</a>)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Otanix-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z-Official_Logo"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Otanix-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z-Official_Logo"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Conrad940-2010-07-14T17:44:00.000Z-Otanix-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z"></span>I'm noticing a lot of Portugese entries into this english wiki. Is Mr Soriano now prepared to admit he's based in Brazil and abandon his Philippine headquarters? Any ADD members who can confirm? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Conrad940&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Conrad940 (page does not exist)">Conrad940</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Conrad940" title="User talk:Conrad940">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Conrad940-2010-07-14T17:44:00.000Z-Otanix-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Conrad940-2010-07-14T17:44:00.000Z-Otanix-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Conrad940-2010-07-14T17:44:00.000Z-Otanix-2010-07-14T05:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Change_name_to_Ang_Dating_Daan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Change_name_to_Ang_Dating_Daan-2013-08-25T13:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Change_name_to_Ang_Dating_Daan-2013-08-25T13:17:00.000Z"></span>Change name to Ang Dating Daan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Change_name_to_Ang_Dating_Daan-2013-08-25T13:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Change name to Ang Dating Daan"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iloilo_Wanderer-2013-08-25T13:17:00.000Z-Change_name_to_Ang_Dating_Daan"></span>Titles for wikipedia articles should not be the official name but should be <a href="/wiki/Common_name" title="Common name">common names</a> per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Commonname" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Commonname">WP:Commonname</a>. See for instance <a href="/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church" class="mw-redirect" title="Roman Catholic Church">Roman Catholic Church</a>, which is not its official name. Or the <a href="/wiki/Big_Dig" title="Big Dig">Big Dig</a> for the Central Artery Tunnel Project. Or <a href="/wiki/Bill_Clinton" title="Bill Clinton">Bill Clinton</a>. The list goes on and on. This church is known most commonly as the <i>Ang Dating Daan</i>. Indeed I have never heard of the <i>Members Church of God International</i> before reading this name in the INC page and wondering, What is that church? and coming here. All the signs on the road outside of the churches say "Ang Dating Daan". Even the <a href="/wiki/Philippine_Daily_Inquirer" title="Philippine Daily Inquirer">Philippine Daily Inquirer</a> says "the Members Church of God International, which is more known as “Dating Daan”"<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://services.inquirer.net/mobile/09/12/05/html_output/xmlhtml/20091205-240202-xml.html">[1]</a> Other quotes from the Inquirer: "UNTV is the television network of the Ang Dating Daan religious organization..." <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://sports.inquirer.net/114959/untv-cup-hoops-for-a-cause#ixzz2czCvl9HO">[2]</a> and "... Fernando Poe Jr. backed his candidacy as did the religious group Ang Dating Daan." <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20100512-269523/PPCRV-Binay-takes-14-of-17-regions-but-Roxas-still-sees-hairline-win">[3]</a> and "The head of Ang Dating Daan evangelist group Eliseo "Ely" Soriano and two others were charged..." <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/metro/view/20080829-157610/Ely-Soriano-charged-with-falsification-of-public-document">[4]</a> Outside of official publications, how many refer to the group without identifying it as "Ang Dating Daan", e.g. "better known as "Ang Dating Daan"? Isn't "Ang Dating Daan" much more common? --<a href="/wiki/User:Iloilo_Wanderer" title="User:Iloilo Wanderer">Iloilo Wanderer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iloilo_Wanderer" title="User talk:Iloilo Wanderer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Iloilo_Wanderer-2013-08-25T13:17:00.000Z-Change_name_to_Ang_Dating_Daan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iloilo_Wanderer-2013-08-25T13:17:00.000Z-Change_name_to_Ang_Dating_Daan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iloilo_Wanderer-2013-08-25T13:17:00.000Z-Change_name_to_Ang_Dating_Daan"></span> </p> <ul><li><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-180.191.139.154-2014-08-06T11:39:00.000Z-Iloilo_Wanderer-2013-08-25T13:17:00.000Z"></span>OPPOSE! For the renaming of the article as MCGI to ADD as MCGI is behind the broadcast of its TV Program ADD. Ang Dating Daan is a TV program as being claimed by MCGI (not a religious organization). 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id="h-addition_of_very_poor_quality_content-2016-06-28T15:43:00.000Z"></span>addition of very poor quality content<span data-mw-comment-end="h-addition_of_very_poor_quality_content-2016-06-28T15:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: addition of very poor quality content"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Proverbios47&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Proverbios47 (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Theroadislong-2016-06-28T15:43:00.000Z-addition_of_very_poor_quality_content"></span>User:Proverbios47</a> has added very poor quality content such as “the trump of God” “Christ came to the earth in many occasions” all referenced to blogs or Youtube, I think it should be removed. <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">Theroadislong</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong" title="User talk:Theroadislong">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-Theroadislong-2016-06-28T15:43:00.000Z-addition_of_very_poor_quality_content" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 28 June 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Theroadislong-2016-06-28T15:43:00.000Z-addition_of_very_poor_quality_content"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Theroadislong-2016-06-28T15:43:00.000Z-addition_of_very_poor_quality_content"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="response_to_a_comment_on_addition_of_very_poor_quality_content" data-mw-thread-id="h-response_to_a_comment_on_addition_of_very_poor_quality_content"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-response_to_a_comment_on_addition_of_very_poor_quality_content"></span>response to a comment on addition of very poor quality content<span data-mw-comment-end="h-response_to_a_comment_on_addition_of_very_poor_quality_content"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: response to a comment on addition of very poor quality content"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>Regarding the opinion of <a href="/wiki/User:Theroadislong" title="User:Theroadislong">User:Theroadislong</a> on poor quality content citing:<br/> </p><p><b>1) “the trump of God”</b><br/> The phrase <b>exactly</b> came from a Bible passage in <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/1_Thessalonians#4:16" class="extiw" title="s:Bible (King James)/1 Thessalonians">1 Thes 4:16</a> in the King James Version. As to the reference, esoriano.wordpress.com is the official website of the preacher of a religious organization that happens to publish in a "blog" style format for some or all of it's content may be considered to be equally reliable. The blogsite has been recognized by the organization itself as its "official publication" though in a form of a "blogsite" (reference: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.mcgi.org/mashable-com-hails-bro-eli-soriano-the-most-educational-to-follow/">www.mcgi.org</a>) and passes verifiability. </p><p><b>2) “Christ came to the earth in many occasions”</b><br/> In this statement, the preacher is actually stating his "belief" that they prefer using the terminology "Christ will return" or "Christ will come back again" rather than the term "second coming". </p><p>They strongly believe that Christ came to the earth <b>in many occasions already</b> (an excerpt) and his return will not be the "second" citing Bible verse <a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/1_Corinthians#10:4" class="extiw" title="s:Bible (King James)/1 Corinthians">1 Cor 10:4–5</a> as their basis for such belief. </p><p>By wathching the episode, the preacher said that even before Jesus Christ was manifest in flesh and born by Mary, he already came during the time of Moses. He further explained that when the Israelites left Egypt, while walking in the wilderness of Sinai, they become thirsty and got angry with Moses. For them not to die with thirst, a "stone" appeared where they drank, and that "rock" who saved them is Christ, watching for the welfare of the people of God. </p><p>It is an expression of "belief" as mentioned in a YouTube video which happens to be <b>an except from a TV program wherein the host is the speaker.</b> The YouTube channel "The Truthcaster" is also an "offical" YouTube channel of the subject organization. <br/> <br/> Thanks. --- (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Proverbios47" title="User talk:Proverbios47">User talk:Proverbios47</a>) 30 June 2016 </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="April_2018" data-mw-thread-id="h-April_2018-2018-04-16T05:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-April_2018-2018-04-16T05:23:00.000Z"></span>April 2018<span data-mw-comment-end="h-April_2018-2018-04-16T05:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: April 2018"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26-2018-04-16T05:23:00.000Z-April_2018"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. 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At the very least they need to be tagged <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_needed" title="Template:Citation needed">citation needed</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</li></ol> <ul><li>Thank you very much! <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26" title="Special:Contributions/2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26">2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26" title="User talk:2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Members_Church_of_God_International#c-2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26-2018-04-16T05:23:00.000Z-April_2018" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:23, 16 April 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26-2018-04-16T05:23:00.000Z-April_2018"><span 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