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This message board is for discussing issues on Wikimedia projects that are related to steward work. Please post your messages at the bottom of the page and do not forget to sign it. Thank you. <ul><li><b>This is not the place for stewards requests</b>. 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data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Seeking_victims_volunteers_to_serve_as_scrutineers-20241017200000"></span>Seeking <s>victims</s> volunteers to serve as scrutineers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Seeking_victims_volunteers_to_serve_as_scrutineers-20241017200000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27_noticeboard&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Seeking victims volunteers to serve as scrutineers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Cyberpower678-20241104143800-Cyberpower678-20241017200000">23 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyberpower678-20241017200000-Seeking_victims_volunteers_to_serve_as_scrutineers"></span>We have ArbCom elections coming up soon and could use 3 brave volunteers to serve as scrutineers.—<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cyberpower678" class="extiw" title="en:User:Cyberpower678"><b><span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span></b></a> <span style="font-family:Rockwell">(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyberpower678" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:Cyberpower678"><span style="color:red">Chat</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Cyberpower678-20241017200000-Seeking_victims_volunteers_to_serve_as_scrutineers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cyberpower678-20241017200000-Seeking_victims_volunteers_to_serve_as_scrutineers"><span id="ooui-php-1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cyberpower678-20241017200000-Seeking_victims_volunteers_to_serve_as_scrutineers"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EPIC-20241017200100-Cyberpower678-20241017200000"></span>Hello there, I'm willing to help out. (I have no COI with enwiki) <b><a href="/wiki/User:EPIC" title="User:EPIC"><span style="color:blue">EPIC</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EPIC" title="User talk:EPIC"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a>)</b> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-EPIC-20241017200100-Cyberpower678-20241017200000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EPIC-20241017200100-Cyberpower678-20241017200000"><span id="ooui-php-2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EPIC-20241017200100-Cyberpower678-20241017200000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mykola7-20241024180800-Cyberpower678-20241017200000"></span>I'm ready to help. <a href="/wiki/User:Mykola7" title="User:Mykola7"><b style="font-weight:bold; color:#00aeff">Mykola</b></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Mykola7-20241024180800-Cyberpower678-20241017200000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mykola7-20241024180800-Cyberpower678-20241017200000"><span id="ooui-php-3" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mykola7-20241024180800-Cyberpower678-20241017200000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannnes89-20241025101500-Mykola7-20241024180800"></span>me too <a href="/wiki/User:Johannnes89" title="User:Johannnes89">Johannnes89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannnes89" title="User talk:Johannnes89">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Johannnes89-20241025101500-Mykola7-20241024180800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannnes89-20241025101500-Mykola7-20241024180800"><span id="ooui-php-4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannnes89-20241025101500-Mykola7-20241024180800"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cyberpower678-20241104143800-Cyberpower678-20241017200000"></span>Thank you <a href="/wiki/User:EPIC" title="User:EPIC">EPIC</a>, <a href="/wiki/User:Mykola7" title="User:Mykola7">Mykola7</a>, and <a href="/wiki/User:Johannnes89" title="User:Johannnes89">Johannnes89</a> —<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cyberpower678" class="extiw" title="en:User:Cyberpower678"><b><span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span></b></a> <span style="font-family:Rockwell">(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyberpower678" class="extiw" title="en:User talk:Cyberpower678"><span style="color:red">Chat</span></a>)</span> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Cyberpower678-20241104143800-Cyberpower678-20241017200000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cyberpower678-20241104143800-Cyberpower678-20241017200000"><span id="ooui-php-5" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator 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ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Ajraddatz-20241031194200-Pppery-20241031144700">27 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>8 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20241031005900-Global_sysop_set_audit"></span>Inspired by the above two threads I wrote a PAWS script at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/46222050/Global%20Sysops.ipynb">https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/46222050/Global%20Sysops.ipynb</a> to review what wikis should be added to or removed from the opt-out wiki set. It suggested: </p> <ol><li>Revoke access on afwiki (14 admins, 9 active)</li> <li><del>Allow access on anwiki (only 9 admins)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted out per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a></dd></dl></li> <li>Revoke access on azwiki (15 admins, 13 active)</li> <li>Revoke access on bewiki (10 admins, 7 active)</li> <li>Revoke access on brwikimedia (13 admins, 4 active)</li> <li>Allow access on bswiki (only 9 admins)</li> <li><del>Revoke access on cowikimedia (13 admins, 3 active)</del> <dl><dd>(Only if you include both page creations and spam blacklist hits as logged actions, both of which are dubious, probably fine to leave as is)</dd></dl></li> <li><del>Allow access on cswikisource (only 3 admins)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted out per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a></dd></dl></li> <li><del>Allow access on cswiktionary (only 4 admins)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted out per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a></dd></dl></li> <li>Revoke access on dewikiversity (10 admins, 4 active)</li> <li>Revoke access on elwiktionary (10 admins, 5 active)</li> <li><del>Revoke access on enwikinews (16 admins, 4 active)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted in per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>. But personally it's nice to see that enwikinews has recovered above the point of being default in the GS scope after their prior crisis.</dd></dl></li> <li><del>Remove access on enwikiversity (11 admins, 6 active)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted in per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>.</dd></dl></li> <li><del>Remove access on enwikibooks (37 admins, 16 active)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted in per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>.</dd></dl></li> <li><del>Remove access on eswikibooks (10 admins, 3 active)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted in per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>.</dd></dl></li> <li>Allow access on frwikiversity (only 9 admins)</li> <li><del>Remove access on foundationwiki (25 admins, 5 active)</del> <dl><dd>This is a special case that doesn't follow standard global sysop rules</dd></dl></li> <li>Remove access on hawiki (10 admins, 8 active)</li> <li>Remove access on hywiki (10 admins, 6 active)</li> <li><del>Remove access on incubatorwiki (13 admins, 5 active)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted in per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>.</dd></dl></li> <li>Remove access on itwikiquote (10 admins, 6 active)</li> <li><del>Allow access on kawiki (only 6 admins)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted out per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>.</dd></dl></li> <li>Remove access on kkwiki (15 admins, 9 active)</li> <li>Remove access on labswiki (Wikitech): 32 admins, 13 active</li> <li>Remove access on lawiki: 21 admins, 8 active</li> <li><del>Allow access on loginwiki (only 1 admin)</del> <dl><dd>This is a special-purpose wiki and isn't subject to GS rules.</dd></dl></li> <li><del>Revoke access on mediawikiwiki (137 admins, 49 active)</del> <dl><dd>Please hold pending <a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Yf8m40ru9m6lvseu" class="extiw" title="mw:Topic:Yf8m40ru9m6lvseu">mw:Topic:Yf8m40ru9m6lvseu</a></dd></dl></li> <li>Revoke access on nlwikimedia (14 admins, 3 active) <dl><dd>This is listed at <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a> as having opted out, but was added to the wiki set out of process in 2022 anyway.</dd></dl></li> <li>Allow access on nlwiktionary (only 7 admins)</li> <li><del>Revoke access on outreachwiki (20 admins, 4 active)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted in per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>.</dd></dl></li> <li>Revoke access on pawiki (10 admins, 5 active)</li> <li>Revoke access on ruwiktionary (15 admins, 7 active)</li> <li>Revoke access on sqwiki (11 admins, 4 active) <dl><dd>There was a very old opt-in request at <a href="/wiki/Steward_requests/Global_permissions/2010-11#Opt-in_for_Albanian_Wikipedia" title="Steward requests/Global permissions/2010-11">Steward requests/Global permissions/2010-11#Opt-in for Albanian Wikipedia</a>, not listed at <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>. If that's still valid feel free to add it to the /Local discussions page instead.</dd></dl></li> <li><del>Revoke access on srwiki (15 admins, 14 active)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted in per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>.</dd></dl></li> <li>Revoke access on swwiki (14 admins, 6 active)</li> <li>Revoke access on testwiki (94 admins, 10 active)</li> <li>Revoke access on testwikidatawiki (38 admins, 3 active) <dl><dd>Only if you include page creations as logged actions.</dd> <dd>Feel free to ignore the test wikis in general - I know test wikis are a special case, but listing them for completeness. Testwiki is already opted out.</dd></dl></li> <li>Remove access on tlwiki (10 admins, 3 active) <dl><dd>Only if you include page creations as admin actions</dd></dl></li> <li>Remove access on uawikimedia (19 admins, 6 active)</li> <li><del>Remove access on ukwiki (49 admins, 39 active)</del> <dl><dd>This wiki explicitly opted in per <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops/Local_discussions" title="Global sysops/Local discussions">Global sysops/Local discussions</a>.</dd></dl></li> <li>Remove access on uzwiki (16 admins, 12 active)</li> <li>Remove access on viwiktionary (11 admins, 4 active)</li> <li>Remove access on wikifunctionswiki (11 admins, 8 active)</li> <li>Remove access on wikimaniawiki (27 admins, 4 active)</li></ol> <p>Note that in all cases the abuse filter account is treated as an admin, so you may want to skip the ones with exactly 10 admins, and that I didn't look at the state of the wiki more closely than just running the numbers except in a few borderline cases. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun</sub></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Pppery-20241031005900-Global_sysop_set_audit" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:59, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20241031005900-Global_sysop_set_audit"><span id="ooui-php-6" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20241031005900-Global_sysop_set_audit"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EPIC-20241031103100-Pppery-20241031005900"></span>I've opted in the wikis that meet the opt-in criteria with no explicit opt-out discussion.</dd> <dd>Regarding the opt-out parts, since all of the wikis above were opted in when the opt-in criteria were met and have not explicitly wanted to opt out, I would likely only want to opt them out if the community explicitly objects to having global sysops. I'm leaving this open for some time in case another steward would like to give a comment on that. <b><a href="/wiki/User:EPIC" title="User:EPIC"><span style="color:blue">EPIC</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EPIC" title="User talk:EPIC"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a>)</b> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-EPIC-20241031103100-Pppery-20241031005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:31, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EPIC-20241031103100-Pppery-20241031005900"><span id="ooui-php-7" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EPIC-20241031103100-Pppery-20241031005900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241031104000-EPIC-20241031103100"></span>For non-content wikis, I'd want to see an actual local discussion - activity can be sporadic depending on what happens to be going on, leaving them in periods with no actual local support. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20241031104000-EPIC-20241031103100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241031104000-EPIC-20241031103100"><span id="ooui-php-8" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241031104000-EPIC-20241031103100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MF-Warburg-20241031125000-Xaosflux-20241031104000"></span>(non-steward comment) I agree with EPIC and Xaosflux. I am not aware that the criteria mentioned on the <a href="/wiki/Global_sysops" title="Global sysops">Global sysops</a> page mean that wikis automatically change status depending on the number of admins. Rather it seems to me that those were the original inclusion criteria for building the list, to be changed later because of local consensuses. -- <small><a href="/wiki/User:MF-Warburg" title="User:MF-Warburg">MF-W</a></small> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-MF-Warburg-20241031125000-Xaosflux-20241031104000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MF-Warburg-20241031125000-Xaosflux-20241031104000"><span id="ooui-php-9" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MF-Warburg-20241031125000-Xaosflux-20241031104000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Leaderboard-20241031133500-Pppery-20241031005900"></span>I oppose unnecessary "revoking" of wikis from the global sysop opt-in set, while supporting adding wikis where needed. In the vast majority of cases, there is little evidence that the wiki will be better off without global sysops. Also I've to agree with MF-Warburg - the GS rules could be made clearer as I've seen some global sysops adhere to the conservative interpretation of only working on wikis with less than X active admins. <a href="/wiki/User:Leaderboard" title="User:Leaderboard">Leaderboard</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Leaderboard" title="User talk:Leaderboard">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Leaderboard-20241031133500-Pppery-20241031005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Leaderboard-20241031133500-Pppery-20241031005900"><span id="ooui-php-10" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Leaderboard-20241031133500-Pppery-20241031005900"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241031140100-Pppery-20241031005900"></span>system users and bots should certainly not be counted in determining if there are sufficient local admins on a project. (e.g. from above sqwiki says 11, but only has 9 actual people-admins). — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20241031140100-Pppery-20241031005900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241031140100-Pppery-20241031005900"><span id="ooui-php-11" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241031140100-Pppery-20241031005900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Pppery-20241031144700-Xaosflux-20241031140100"></span>Why not? The page <a href="/wiki/Global_sysop" class="mw-redirect" title="Global sysop">global sysop</a> mentions no such requirement, and has no mention of the admin count and activity criteria being "legacy" or "historical" as discussed above. And I find the ratchet-style reasoning shown above (you can be automatically opted-in but not opted-out) absurd. Global sysops have a specific defined scope, and of course their usage of the rights should be enforced to only wikis that fall within that scope. <a href="/wiki/User:Pppery" title="User:Pppery">* Pppery *</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Pppery" title="User talk:Pppery"><sub style="color:#800000">it has begun</sub></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Pppery-20241031144700-Xaosflux-20241031140100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Pppery-20241031144700-Xaosflux-20241031140100"><span id="ooui-php-12" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Pppery-20241031144700-Xaosflux-20241031140100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ajraddatz-20241031194200-Pppery-20241031144700"></span>Global sysops predate system users being flagged as admins, so of course that wasn't considered in the policy. To be a little frank, you are taking a much stronger position on this than the community writ large, and should maybe take a step back and consider who your position is helping and why you would want to continue to push it so hard... – <a href="/wiki/User:Ajraddatz" title="User:Ajraddatz">Ajraddatz</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ajraddatz" title="User talk:Ajraddatz">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Ajraddatz-20241031194200-Pppery-20241031144700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:42, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ajraddatz-20241031194200-Pppery-20241031144700"><span id="ooui-php-13" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ajraddatz-20241031194200-Pppery-20241031144700"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_with_admin_policy_change" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_with_admin_policy_change-20241106024500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_with_admin_policy_change-20241106024500"></span>Help with admin policy change<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_with_admin_policy_change-20241106024500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27_noticeboard&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Help with admin policy change"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Psubhashish-20241118202000-EPIC-20241118200100">9 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Psubhashish-20241106024500-Help_with_admin_policy_change"></span>There has been a consensus on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/or:Topic:Yesf35yzkt7kko9y" class="extiw" title="w:or:Topic:Yesf35yzkt7kko9y">ORWP</a> about admin roles and I'm seeking help from bureaucrats to action. </p><p>Summary of consensus: </p> <ol><li>An admin is expected to make at least 50 administrative edits in a year.</li> <li>Current admins without 50 administrative edits in the last three years will be removed from their roles, allowing active and experienced Wikipedians to become admins. If a former admin starts active editing contributing to (at least 10) admin tasks then they can reapply to become an admin again.</li> <li>Experienced editors who have not been admins and have been in assisting admin tasks can apply to become new admins.</li></ol> <p>This consensus will affect two current admins: User:Ansumang and User:Odisha1. On behalf of the community I'll request for removal of their sysop roles. Thanks! <a href="/wiki/User:Psubhashish" title="User:Psubhashish">Psubhashish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Psubhashish" title="User talk:Psubhashish">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Psubhashish-20241106024500-Help_with_admin_policy_change" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Psubhashish-20241106024500-Help_with_admin_policy_change"><span id="ooui-php-14" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Psubhashish-20241106024500-Help_with_admin_policy_change"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Johannnes89-20241110190300-Psubhashish-20241106024500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Psubhashish" title="User:Psubhashish">Psubhashish</a> Odisha1 already got their admin permissions removed three years ago <a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=40365456">[1]</a> due to inactivity. Please request removal of admin permissions for Ansumang at <a href="/wiki/SRP#Removal_of_access" class="mw-redirect" title="SRP">SRP#Removal of access</a>, linking your new inactivity policy (and this discussion if you want). <a href="/wiki/User:Johannnes89" title="User:Johannnes89">Johannnes89</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Johannnes89" title="User talk:Johannnes89">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Johannnes89-20241110190300-Psubhashish-20241106024500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Johannnes89-20241110190300-Psubhashish-20241106024500"><span id="ooui-php-15" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Johannnes89-20241110190300-Psubhashish-20241106024500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Psubhashish-20241118193300-Johannnes89-20241110190300"></span>Thanks much. <a href="/wiki/Permissions#Removal_of_access" class="mw-redirect" title="Permissions">Done</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Psubhashish" title="User:Psubhashish">Psubhashish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Psubhashish" title="User talk:Psubhashish">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Psubhashish-20241118193300-Johannnes89-20241110190300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Psubhashish-20241118193300-Johannnes89-20241110190300"><span id="ooui-php-16" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Psubhashish-20241118193300-Johannnes89-20241110190300"></span> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-EPIC-20241118200100-Psubhashish-20241118193300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Psubhashish" title="User:Psubhashish">Psubhashish</a>:</span> I removed the rights, removed the wiki from the AAR set <a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Openbk/list2&diff=prev&oldid=27808386">[2]</a> and updated <a href="/wiki/Admin_activity_review/Local_inactivity_policies" title="Admin activity review/Local inactivity policies">Admin activity review/Local inactivity policies</a> accordingly <a class="external autonumber" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Admin_activity_review/Local_inactivity_policies&diff=prev&oldid=27808394">[3]</a>. Let me know if I interpreted the policy incorrectly. Also, for transparency, could you perhaps document the inactivity policy somewhere, perhaps at <a href="https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%89%E0%AC%87%E0%AC%95%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%A1%E0%AC%BC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%86:%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%B0%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%9A%E0%AC%BE%E0%AC%B3%E0%AC%95" class="extiw" title="or:ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ପରିଚାଳକ">or:ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ପରିଚାଳକ</a>? <b><a href="/wiki/User:EPIC" title="User:EPIC"><span style="color:blue">EPIC</span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:EPIC" title="User talk:EPIC"><span style="color:green">talk</span></a>)</b> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-EPIC-20241118200100-Psubhashish-20241118193300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-EPIC-20241118200100-Psubhashish-20241118193300"><span id="ooui-php-17" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-EPIC-20241118200100-Psubhashish-20241118193300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Psubhashish-20241118202000-EPIC-20241118200100"></span>Thank you, @<a href="/wiki/User:EPIC" title="User:EPIC">EPIC</a>. I've updated <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/or:%E0%AC%89%E0%AC%87%E0%AC%95%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%A1%E0%AC%BC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%86:%E0%AC%AA%E0%AC%B0%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%9A%E0%AC%BE%E0%AC%B3%E0%AC%95" class="extiw" title="w:or:ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ପରିଚାଳକ">w:or:ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ:ପରିଚାଳକ</a> with the details from the consensus. I also noticed that a request for stepping down from adminship shared by another admin (Soumendrak) is still pending. I've updated the same at <a href="/wiki/Permissions#Removal_of_access" class="mw-redirect" title="Permissions">Permissions#Removal_of_access</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Psubhashish" title="User:Psubhashish">Psubhashish</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Psubhashish" title="User talk:Psubhashish">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Psubhashish-20241118202000-EPIC-20241118200100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Psubhashish-20241118202000-EPIC-20241118200100"><span id="ooui-php-18" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Psubhashish-20241118202000-EPIC-20241118200100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page-20241113141100"><span id="RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment.2FExtract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page-20241113141100"></span>RFC Notice: Requests for comment/Extract global bot policy to own page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page-20241113141100"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27_noticeboard&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: RFC Notice: Requests for comment/Extract global bot policy to own page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Xaosflux-20241113150700-GZWDer-20241113141100">14 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-GZWDer-20241113141100-RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page"></span>Many parts of <a href="/wiki/Bot_policy" title="Bot policy">Bot policy</a> are written 16 years ago (see <a class="external text" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bot_policy&diff=27750535&oldid=885888">here</a>), have little modifications, and no longer in line with current practice. The only thing useful as a policy is the global bot part. So I propose to extract these parts to a new page and then obsolete the current <a href="/wiki/Bot_policy" title="Bot policy">Bot policy</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:GZWDer" title="User:GZWDer">GZWDer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:GZWDer" title="User talk:GZWDer">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-GZWDer-20241113141100-RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-GZWDer-20241113141100-RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page"><span id="ooui-php-19" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-GZWDer-20241113141100-RFC_Notice:_Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241113150700-GZWDer-20241113141100"></span>A RFC is open at <a href="/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Extract_global_bot_policy_to_own_page" title="Requests for comment/Extract global bot policy to own page">Requests for comment/Extract global bot policy to own page</a>, please comment there. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20241113150700-GZWDer-20241113141100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241113150700-GZWDer-20241113141100"><span id="ooui-php-20" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241113150700-GZWDer-20241113141100"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Special:PasswordPolicies_for_stewards" data-mw-thread-id="h-Special:PasswordPolicies_for_stewards-20241116204400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Special:PasswordPolicies_for_stewards-20241116204400"></span><a href="/wiki/Special:PasswordPolicies" title="Special:PasswordPolicies">Special:PasswordPolicies</a> for stewards<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Special:PasswordPolicies_for_stewards-20241116204400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27_noticeboard&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Special:PasswordPolicies for stewards"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Xaosflux-20241116233900-Taavi-20241116210000">11 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Revi_C.-20241116204400-Special:PasswordPolicies_for_stewards"></span>While browsing that page for other reasons, I discovered S are subject to same rule as an ordinary users, unlike the hardened rules for CU/OS/WMF-OIT/WMF-T&S/Crat/etc etc you name it. </p><p>I assume this was because SE requires admin privileges which in turn enforces hardened rules (and loginwiki CU forces them to the hardened rule), I think there is some benefit to using hardened rules for S role by default, unless global group has a special flag enforcing the hardened rule. Thoughts? — regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Revi_C." title="User:Revi C."><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi</span></a> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Revi_C.-20241116204400-Special:PasswordPolicies_for_stewards" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Revi_C.-20241116204400-Special:PasswordPolicies_for_stewards"><span id="ooui-php-21" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Revi_C.-20241116204400-Special:PasswordPolicies_for_stewards"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Taavi-20241116210000-Revi_C.-20241116204400"></span>I don't think this is displayed anywhere on-wiki, but the privileged password policy is applied on the steward global group as configured <a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/operations/mediawiki-config/%2B/4e3d6ee0697e026d0efe7541cd77eb5b2c5fde2a/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php#2029" class="extiw" title="git:operations/mediawiki-config/+/4e3d6ee0697e026d0efe7541cd77eb5b2c5fde2a/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php">here</a> and <a href="https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/operations/mediawiki-config/%2B/4e3d6ee0697e026d0efe7541cd77eb5b2c5fde2a/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php#3310" class="extiw" title="git:operations/mediawiki-config/+/4e3d6ee0697e026d0efe7541cd77eb5b2c5fde2a/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Taavi" title="User:Taavi">Taavi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Taavi" title="User talk:Taavi">talk!</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Taavi-20241116210000-Revi_C.-20241116204400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Taavi-20241116210000-Revi_C.-20241116204400"><span id="ooui-php-22" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Taavi-20241116210000-Revi_C.-20241116204400"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241116233900-Taavi-20241116210000"></span>Seems like that page is showing the rules for "local groups", while certain global groups (such as stewards) already have enhanced rules. While our stewards are local stewards here on metawiki for technical reasons, they are also global users. Someone could put in a feature request to spin up <a href="/wiki/Special:GlobalPasswordPolicies" class="new" title="Special:GlobalPasswordPolicies (page does not exist)">Special:GlobalPasswordPolicies</a> if they wanted to. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20241116233900-Taavi-20241116210000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241116233900-Taavi-20241116210000"><span id="ooui-php-23" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241116233900-Taavi-20241116210000"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Is_there_a_page_that_displays_all_steward_activity?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_there_a_page_that_displays_all_steward_activity?-20241121193500"><span id="Is_there_a_page_that_displays_all_steward_activity.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_there_a_page_that_displays_all_steward_activity?-20241121193500"></span>Is there a page that displays all steward activity?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_there_a_page_that_displays_all_steward_activity?-20241121193500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27_noticeboard&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Is there a page that displays all steward activity?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241125202400-Xaosflux-20241121195600">2 days ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241121193500-Is_there_a_page_that_displays_all_steward_activity?"></span>Just wondering 'cuz I wanna forecast the upcoming election. <a href="/wiki/User:Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd" title="User:Another Wiki User the 3rd">Another Wiki User the 3rd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd" title="User talk:Another Wiki User the 3rd">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241121193500-Is_there_a_page_that_displays_all_steward_activity?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" 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<dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Xaosflux-20241121195600-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241121193500"></span>No, as "all" is a very broad term! However, there are statistics on many local wiki actions here: <a href="/wiki/Stewards/statistics" title="Stewards/statistics">Stewards/statistics</a>. There are many off-wiki activities that occur on other platforms such as phabricator, VRT, and UTRS. Additionally, there are actions that take place on project wikis. — <a href="/wiki/User:Xaosflux" title="User:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Xaosflux" title="User talk:Xaosflux"><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a></sup> <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Xaosflux-20241121195600-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241121193500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Xaosflux-20241121195600-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241121193500"><span id="ooui-php-25" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Xaosflux-20241121195600-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241121193500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241125202400-Xaosflux-20241121195600"></span>Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd" title="User:Another Wiki User the 3rd">Another Wiki User the 3rd</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd" title="User talk:Another Wiki User the 3rd">talk</a>) <a href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#c-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241125202400-Xaosflux-20241121195600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241125202400-Xaosflux-20241121195600"><span id="ooui-php-26" class="ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton oo-ui-widget oo-ui-widget-enabled oo-ui-buttonElement oo-ui-buttonElement-frameless oo-ui-labelElement oo-ui-flaggedElement-progressive oo-ui-buttonWidget" data-ooui='{"_":"OO.ui.ButtonWidget","rel":["nofollow"],"framed":false,"label":"Reply","flags":["progressive"],"classes":["ext-discussiontools-init-replybutton"]}'><a role="button" tabindex="0" rel="nofollow" class="oo-ui-buttonElement-button"><span class="oo-ui-iconElement-icon oo-ui-iconElement-noIcon oo-ui-image-progressive"></span><span class="oo-ui-labelElement-label">Reply</span><span class="oo-ui-indicatorElement-indicator oo-ui-indicatorElement-noIndicator oo-ui-image-progressive"></span></a></span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Another_Wiki_User_the_3rd-20241125202400-Xaosflux-20241121195600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27_noticeboard&oldid=27856959">https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27_noticeboard&oldid=27856959</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Special:Categories" title="Special:Categories">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Stewards" title="Category:Stewards">Stewards</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Noticeboards" title="Category:Noticeboards">Noticeboards</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 25 November 2024, at 20:24.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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