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Blood is Thicker than Water</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=610418&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=610418&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p610418" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=121198&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">UnwiseOwl</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2017-04-06T11:39:54+00:00">April 6th, 2017, 11:39 am</time> </p> <div class="content">1) Version? 1.13.7, Challenging (new elves)<br> <br> 2) Adequately difficult? Yes, I think so. Probably a shade easier than the surrounding levels in terms of enemies, but the timing of the first half means you can't really make it harder without extending the time to save the mermen.<br> <br> 3) Reloads? On the first attempt I couldn't save the enchantress.<br> <br> 4) Dialog? Who the heck is Tanstafaal, again? Maybe the player should be reminded. I for one have no idea.<br> When Eloh's rebels rejoin you, it would be nice if their villages became yours too.<br> When you kill all enemies, that probably ought to end the level as well.<br> The merpeople talking about their master when Melusand appears to be female is a bit odd. Either they should talk about a mistress or Melusand should be a male.<br> <br> 5) Fun? It might a little nicer if to fords out to Eloh's island were a little shorter, as it's a long and boring process to get all your troops over there just to get them back again. Apart from that, this is a nice little tactical battle.</div> <dl class="attachbox"> <dt> Attachments </dt> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=74809&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">UtBS-Blood_is_Thicker_than_Water_replay.gz</a></dt> <dd>(88.33 KiB) Downloaded 772 times</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div id="sig610418" class="signature">Maintainer of the <a href="http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=37920" class="postlink"><em class="text-italics">Imperial Era</em></a> and the campaigns <a href="http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37894" class="postlink"><em class="text-italics">Dreams of Urduk, </em></a><a href="http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37880" class="postlink"><em class="text-italics">Epic of Vaniyera, Up from Slavery, Fall of Silvium, Alfhelm the Wise</em> and <em class="text-italics">Gali's Contract</em></a>. <br> But perhaps 'maintainer' is too strong a word.</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p625153" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile625153"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=122368&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">Thrash</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=122368&sr=posts&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">233</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> June 25th, 2010, 1:54 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content625153"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=625153&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p625153">Re: Scenario Review: (UTBS) 9. Blood is Thicker than Water</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=625153&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=625153&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p625153" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=122368&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">Thrash</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2018-03-24T19:11:37+00:00">March 24th, 2018, 7:11 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><strong class="text-strong">1) What version and difficulty level did you play the scenario on? Please do not submit feedback from pre 1.4.</strong><br> <br> 1.12.6, Challenging (medium)<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">2) Do you think the difficulty is adequate to the level? If not describe the issue that made the scenario to easy/hard.</strong><br> <br> The challenging aspects were saving the Enchantress in the first phase and then the heavy-hitting necromancers in the third phase. Otherwise not too hard.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">3) Was there any event that caused you to almost instantly loose, or made the scenario unplayable without reload?</strong><br> <br> No.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">4) Do you like the storyline and the dialogues? If not what part/character lags behind or what would you like changed?</strong><br> <br> Good.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">5) Do you think the scenario was fun? Please write down some thoughts about gameplay, mood etc.</strong><br> <br> Another scenario with a number of nice twists. Good in general, I few things I noticed:<br> <br> In the first phase, if you kill all the leaders before turn 16 and before you save all the mermen, nothing happens which is odd. Just a simple "hurry, we still need to save the mermen" dialog would seem appropriate. <br> <br> I don't see how saving the Enchantress is reasonable without knowledge where she is hidden. Going in there with just one merman is iffy with the two undead so you really need to have a couple to reliably save her which seems unlikely without intent (one time I played, they undead and the rng managed to kill a single merman). Even knowing, I had to replay a few times to manage it. Maybe a hint from one of the other merman when you save them?<br> <br> "By turn 16" could be more clear - I interpreted as by the end of turn 16 not the beginning as that is more typical for other Wesnoth scenarios.<br> <br> They elves mostly rushed south (to grab villages? kill Kaleh?) and let my main army stroll in from the west.</div> <dl class="attachbox"> <dt> Attachments </dt> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=79917&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">UtBS-Blood_is_Thicker_tha..._replay.gz</a></dt> <dd>(103.83 KiB) Downloaded 749 times</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p637443" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile637443"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=167999&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">LordWolfDan</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=167999&sr=posts&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">216</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> September 30th, 2018, 7:31 am</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content637443"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=637443&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p637443">Re: Scenario Review: (UTBS) 9. Blood is Thicker than Water</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=637443&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=637443&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p637443" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=167999&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">LordWolfDan</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2019-01-11T21:02:11+00:00">January 11th, 2019, 9:02 pm</time> </p> <div class="content">1) What version and difficulty level did you play the scenario on? Please do not submit feedback from pre 1.4.<br> <br> - 1.14.5, Normal<br> <br> 2) Do you think the difficulty is adequate to the level? If not describe the issue that made the scenario to easy/hard.<br> <br> - It's hard if you rush ahead, so step by step and by the time second day comes (Turn 16), you waste the enemy leaders and rescue all merfolk<br> <br> 3) Was there any event that caused you to almost instantly loose, or made the scenario unplayable without reload?<br> <br> - I left Kaleh exposed to one of humans...<br> <br> 4) Do you like the storyline and the dialogues? If not what part/character lags behind or what would you like changed?<br> <br> - The grim and darkness of the previous one continues. Meeting the Iron Council, humans worshipping the ultimate evil? I can see how many times have changed from the latest storyline. I will say that I could be the only one feeling bad for Tanstaafal. Being blind to "Eloh" made me terribly sad for his destiny.<br> <br> 5) Do you think the scenario was fun? Please write down some thoughts about gameplay, mood etc.<br> <br> - Not as fun as the previous one, but it does suit things up</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p641472" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile641472"> <dt class="has-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=124329&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" style="color: #008000;" class="username-coloured">Konrad2</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-rank">Forum Moderator</dd> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=124329&sr=posts&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">3374</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> November 24th, 2010, 6:30 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content641472"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=641472&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p641472">Re: Scenario Review: (UTBS) 9. Blood is Thicker than Water</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=641472&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=641472&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p641472" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=124329&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" style="color: #008000;" class="username-coloured">Konrad2</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2019-04-22T08:18:32+00:00">April 22nd, 2019, 8:18 am</time> </p> <div class="content"><strong class="text-strong">1) What version and difficulty level did you play the scenario on?</strong><br> <br> 1.14.7, Champion (Nightmare)<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">2) Do you think the difficulty is adequate to the level?</strong><br> <br> Yes, I think so. You certainly have to get used to the 'new' terrain.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">3) Was there any event that caused you to almost instantly lose, or made the scenario unplayable without reload?</strong><br> <br> No. (But I played it before, so...)<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">4) Do you like the storyline and the dialogues?</strong><br> <br> I like them.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">5) Do you think the scenario was fun?</strong><br> <br> Yes.</div> <dl class="attachbox"> <dt> Attachments </dt> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=83683&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">UtBS-Blood is Thicker than Water replay.gz</a></dt> <dd>(85.02 KiB) Downloaded 668 times</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div id="sig641472" class="signature"><a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=68" class="postlink">UMC Replay Forum</a><br> <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C3RJNgIfYY6H6wU73drO8qSByelZNBXra-pvwNEu8RQ/edit#gid=231669847" class="postlink">List of all add-ons and (sort of) their status</a><br> <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=22" class="postlink">Mainline campaign feedback</a><br> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DAMpKPPXlq9m0sA61VZ8Q" class="postlink">Where I upload Wesnoth streams</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p647742" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile647742"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=133612&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">JMichael</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=133612&sr=posts&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">48</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> February 19th, 2013, 4:25 am</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content647742"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=647742&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p647742">Re: Scenario Review: (UTBS) 9. Blood is Thicker than Water</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=647742&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=647742&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p647742" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=133612&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">JMichael</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2019-10-01T03:10:12+00:00">October 1st, 2019, 3:10 am</time> </p> <div class="content">"She claims to be the one who has shepherded us during his journey"<br> <br> I think it should be "during this journey".</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p651916" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile651916"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=196237&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">Zrevnur</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=196237&sr=posts&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">118</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> January 11th, 2020, 12:04 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content651916"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=651916&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p651916">Re: Scenario Review: (UTBS) 9. 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Please do not submit feedback from pre 1.4. </div></blockquote> 1.14.11 Champion/Nightmare no reloading, played several times <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839" data-post-id="143839" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 20th, 2006, 6:09 am</span></cite> 2) Do you think the difficulty is adequate to the level? If not describe the issue that made the scenario to easy/hard. </div></blockquote> Its too easy if knowing the scripting. Otherwise its probably still too easy to win. <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839" data-post-id="143839" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 20th, 2006, 6:09 am</span></cite> 3) Was there any event that caused you to almost instantly lose, or made the scenario unplayable without reload? </div></blockquote> No but there was (and probably still) is an issue in 1.14.9: The turn "16" is actually turn 15 - similar to the tent scenario. Player moves first so enemy script should happen during enemy turn 16 and not during/after enemy turn 15 if it says 16.<br> Also: The hidden Enchantress is unfairly hard to find. When I first played it I didnt find her because I thought humans couldnt get through deep water so they couldnt possibly have hidden her over the water somewhere. The scenario description should also state how many Mer are there to rescue and not just the dialog.<br> The way the crabs get triggered only by the player but not the rebels also dont make proper sense. And crabs can land on impassable terrain I think. <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839" data-post-id="143839" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 20th, 2006, 6:09 am</span></cite> 4) Do you like the storyline and the dialogues? If not what part/character lags behind or what would you like changed? </div></blockquote> Not sure. <blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839" data-post-id="143839" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 20th, 2006, 6:09 am</span></cite> 5) Do you think the scenario was fun? Please write down some thoughts about gameplay, mood etc. </div></blockquote> The first part (free Mer) is cool, the rest not so much.<br> The rebel units eating upkeep is also very uncool. You should get rewarded for not killing them and not punished.</div> <dl class="attachbox"> <dt> Attachments </dt> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=86178&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">UtBS-Blood is Thicker than Water replay.gz</a></dt> <dd>(93.49 KiB) Downloaded 539 times</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div id="sig651916" class="signature"><a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=575204#p575204" class="postlink">Funny Post (LoW Spoiler)</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p653169" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile653169"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=132055&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">devavrata</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=132055&sr=posts&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">123</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> August 30th, 2012, 8:59 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content653169"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=653169&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p653169">Re: Scenario Review: (UTBS) 9. Blood is Thicker than Water</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=653169&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=653169&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p653169" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=132055&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">devavrata</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2020-03-19T14:07:06+00:00">March 19th, 2020, 2:07 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><blockquote cite="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839"><div><cite><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=123454&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">Content Feedback</a> wrote: <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=143839&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p143839" data-post-id="143839" onclick="if(document.getElementById(hash.substr(1)))href=hash">↑</a><span class="responsive-hide">March 20th, 2006, 6:09 am</span></cite> 1) What version and difficulty level did you play the scenario on? Please do not submit feedback from pre 1.4.</div></blockquote> Battle for Wesnoth 1.8.3, Easy, Battle for Wesnoth 1.10.7 Medium, Battle for Wesnoth 1.12.5 Hard <blockquote class="uncited"><div>2) Do you think the difficulty is adequate to the level? If not describe the issue that made the scenario to easy/hard.</div></blockquote> The difficulty is right, except for: <ul><li>Killing Eloh's avatar is surprisingly easy. No guards or whatever.</li></ul> <ul><li>Killing the necromancers and their undead is so much easy because they venture carelessly into water.</li></ul> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>3) Was there any event that caused you to almost instantly lose, or made the scenario unplayable without reload?</div></blockquote> It is quite easy to fail saving the fifth merfolk the first time - you expect it to be on a reachable location, but she is on one of the many islands that are beyond deep waters, where only the other merfolk can reach. You must use the available merfolk to explore early on. Then time is tight to save Kroomph as well. <blockquote class="uncited"><div>4) Do you like the storyline and the dialogues? If not what part/character lags behind or what would you like changed?</div></blockquote> There is a lot of story going on, and I think it is not bad - Kaleh following Eloh's call all through the campaign, then still questioning Eloh's orders and disobeying her on the grounds of his own principles. But there is way more dialogue than you expect on a videogame. I ended up passing most of the dialogues without reading more than the first line - sorry, but when I am in front of a computer I have not the same patience I have as when I am reading a book. Besides, the Tanstaafal sub-story has not much sense - who is this Tanstaafal anyway? When Garak unexpectedly reappeared, at least he had properly entered and left the story. <blockquote class="uncited"><div>5) Do you think the scenario was fun? Please write down some thoughts about gameplay, mood etc.</div></blockquote> On one hand, it is fun. The idea of have a big scenario with inactive parts that become active at the proper moment is nice. On the other hand, the fact that the three missions are strictly successive (plan A, B, C) makes it feel like three scenarios put together as opposed to a big, single mission - whenever possible I prefer the scenario divided into smaller scenarios so it doesn't take so much time to play it</div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p668451" class="post has-profile bg1"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile668451"> <dt class="has-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=124329&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" style="color: #008000;" class="username-coloured">Konrad2</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-rank">Forum Moderator</dd> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=124329&sr=posts&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">3374</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> November 24th, 2010, 6:30 pm</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content668451"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=668451&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p668451">Re: Scenario Review: (UTBS) 9. Blood is Thicker than Water</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=668451&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=668451&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p668451" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=124329&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" style="color: #008000;" class="username-coloured">Konrad2</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2021-10-19T12:52:53+00:00">October 19th, 2021, 12:52 pm</time> </p> <div class="content"><strong class="text-strong">(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?</strong><br> <br> 1.15.18, Champion (Nightmare)<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)</strong><br> <br> 7, the start is difficult, but from then on you have an easier time to stay on top.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?</strong><br> <br> Clear.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?</strong><br> <br> Clear.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?</strong><br> <br> Figuring out how to beat the first onslaught of humans. And how to take down Eloh and Tastafaal without going through their army.<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(6) How fun do you think the scenario is? (1-10)</strong><br> <br> 9<br> <br> <strong class="text-strong">(7) What, if any, are changes you would have made to the scenario to make it more fun?</strong><br> <br> -<br> <br> Scenario stats: <div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px"><div class="quotetitle" style="vertical-align:middle;display:inline-block"><strong>Spoiler:</strong> <input class="button1" style="font-size:0.8em" type="button" value="Show" onclick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; this.innerText = ''; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; this.innerText = ''; }"></div><div class="quotecontent" style="display:none"><div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=91253&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=91253&t=1&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="postimage" alt="Part 1" title="2021-10-19, UtBS S9 success (2) part 1.png (201.43 KiB) Viewed 11036 times" /></a></dt> <dd> Part 1</dd> </dl> </div><div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=91254&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=91254&t=1&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="postimage" alt="Part 2" title="2021-10-19, UtBS S9 success (2) part 2.png (205.88 KiB) Viewed 11036 times" /></a></dt> <dd> Part 2</dd> </dl> </div><div class="inline-attachment"> <dl class="thumbnail"> <dt><a href="./download/file.php?id=91255&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e&mode=view"><img src="./download/file.php?id=91255&t=1&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="postimage" alt="All" title="2021-10-19, UtBS S9 success (2).png (209.25 KiB) Viewed 11036 times" /></a></dt> <dd> All</dd> </dl> </div></div></div></div> <dl class="attachbox"> <dt> Attachments </dt> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=91252&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">UtBS-Blood is Thicker than Water Turn 16 end of part 1.gz</a></dt> <dd>(122.79 KiB) Downloaded 189 times</dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=91251&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">UtBS-Blood is Thicker than Water Turn 24 end part 2.gz</a></dt> <dd>(123.04 KiB) Downloaded 181 times</dd> </dl> </dd> <dd> <dl class="file"> <dt><img src="./images/upload_icons/zip.gif" alt="" /> <a class="postlink" href="./download/file.php?id=91250&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">UtBS-Blood is Thicker than Water replay 20211019-110106.gz</a></dt> <dd>(101.93 KiB) Downloaded 190 times</dd> </dl> </dd> </dl> <div id="sig668451" class="signature"><a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=68" class="postlink">UMC Replay Forum</a><br> <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C3RJNgIfYY6H6wU73drO8qSByelZNBXra-pvwNEu8RQ/edit#gid=231669847" class="postlink">List of all add-ons and (sort of) their status</a><br> <a href="https://forums.wesnoth.org/viewforum.php?f=22" class="postlink">Mainline campaign feedback</a><br> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DAMpKPPXlq9m0sA61VZ8Q" class="postlink">Where I upload Wesnoth streams</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="back2top"> <a href="#top" class="top" title="Top"> <i class="icon fa-chevron-circle-up fa-fw icon-gray" aria-hidden="true"></i> <span class="sr-only">Top</span> </a> </div> </div> </div> <div id="p682459" class="post has-profile bg2"> <div class="inner"> <dl class="postprofile" id="profile682459"> <dt class="no-profile-rank no-avatar"> <div class="avatar-container"> </div> <a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=225435&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">Sandsculpture</a> </dt> <dd class="profile-posts"><strong>Posts:</strong> <a href="./search.php?author_id=225435&sr=posts&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e">37</a></dd> <dd class="profile-joined"><strong>Joined:</strong> February 20th, 2021, 2:55 am</dd> </dl> <div class="postbody"> <div id="post_content682459"> <h3 > <a href="./viewtopic.php?p=682459&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p682459">Re: Scenario Review: (UTBS) 9. Blood is Thicker than Water</a> </h3> <ul class="post-buttons"> <li> <a href="./posting.php?mode=quote&p=682459&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" title="Reply with quote" class="button button-icon-only"> <i class="icon fa-quote-left fa-fw" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Quote</span> </a> </li> </ul> <p class="author"> <a class="unread" href="./viewtopic.php?p=682459&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e#p682459" title="Post"> <i class="icon fa-file fa-fw icon-lightgray icon-md" aria-hidden="true"></i><span class="sr-only">Post</span> </a> <span class="responsive-hide">by <strong><a href="./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=225435&sid=895223fe16980e48f33f42c7225fed4e" class="username">Sandsculpture</a></strong> » </span><time datetime="2023-06-30T04:41:37+00:00">June 30th, 2023, 4:41 am</time> </p> <div class="content">(1) What difficulty levels have you played the scenario on?<br> <br> 1.17.17, Warrior(difficult)<br> <br> (2) How difficult did you find the scenario? (1-10)<br> <br> 7/6/4 for 3 parts.<br> Part1: <div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px"><div class="quotetitle" style="vertical-align:middle;display:inline-block"><strong>Spoiler:</strong> <input class="button1" style="font-size:0.8em" type="button" value="Show" onclick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; this.innerText = ''; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; this.innerText = ''; }"></div><div class="quotecontent" style="display:none">The human recruits slower with their small castle, and they have to fight in very bad terrain.</div></div> Part2: <div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px"><div class="quotetitle" style="vertical-align:middle;display:inline-block"><strong>Spoiler:</strong> <input class="button1" style="font-size:0.8em" type="button" value="Show" onclick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; this.innerText = ''; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; this.innerText = ''; }"></div><div class="quotecontent" style="display:none">In 1.14 quenoth slyph cannot pass deep water. Now they can </div></div> Part3: <div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px"><div class="quotetitle" style="vertical-align:middle;display:inline-block"><strong>Spoiler:</strong> <input class="button1" style="font-size:0.8em" type="button" value="Show" onclick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; this.innerText = ''; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; this.innerText = ''; }"></div><div class="quotecontent" style="display:none">Simple 1v1 defeat-the-leader battle. Again human have to fight in bad terrain </div></div> (3) How clear did you find the scenario objectives?<br> <br> Crystal.<br> <br> (4) How clear and interesting did you find the dialog and storyline of the scenario?<br> <br> Clear.<br> <br> (5) What were your major challenges in meeting the objectives of the scenario?<br> <br> be passive against the rebel elves.<br> <br> (6) How fun do you think the scenario is? 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