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You can create the testcases subpage <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_initialism/testcases&action=edit&preload=Template:Documentation/preload-testcases&summary=Create+%5B%5BWP%3ATESTCASES%7Ctest+cases%5D%5D+for+%5B%5BTemplate%3AR+from+initialism%5D%5D">here</a>. </p> <div style="padding:0.5em"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1127644699">.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox .commentboxInput,.mw-parser-output #request_edit_inputbox br{display:none}</style> <div class="mw-inputbox-centered" style=""><form name="commentbox" class="commentbox mw-inputbox-form" action="/w/index.php" method="get" id="request_edit_inputbox"><input type="hidden" value="edit" name="action"/><input type="hidden" value="Template:Request edit button/preload" name="preload"/><input type="hidden" value="Edit template-protected" name="preloadparams[]"/><div class="cdx-text-input"><input type="hidden" name="preloadtitle" class="mw-inputbox-input commentboxInput cdx-text-input__input" value="Edit request {{subst:#time:j F Y}}" placeholder="" size="50" dir="ltr"/></div><input type="hidden" value="new" name="section"/><input type="hidden" value="Template talk:R from initialism" name="title"/><br/><input type="submit" name="create" value="Request edit" class="cdx-button cdx-button--action-progressive cdx-button--weight-primary"/></form></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="meaning_of_abbreviation" data-mw-thread-id="h-meaning_of_abbreviation-2006-07-29T14:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-meaning_of_abbreviation-2006-07-29T14:05:00.000Z"></span>meaning of abbreviation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-meaning_of_abbreviation-2006-07-29T14:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: meaning of abbreviation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceyockey-2006-07-29T14:05:00.000Z-meaning_of_abbreviation"></span>There are cases where it would be useful to include a meaning for an abbreviation because the target article title might not have an obvious relationship to the abbreviation itself, as in the case of <a href="/wiki/SGWU" class="mw-redirect" title="SGWU">SGWU</a> (see <a href="/wiki/Talk:SGWU" title="Talk:SGWU">Talk:SGWU</a>). Would there be support for adding an optional parameter to this template that would allow the inclusion of a meaning for the abbreviation when it is non-obvious and that would be apparent to editors? Or would folks prefer to keep that information as part of the redirect's talk page (as in the case of SGWU)? User:Ceyockey (<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey" title="User talk:Ceyockey">talk to me</a></i></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Ceyockey-2006-07-29T14:05:00.000Z-meaning_of_abbreviation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceyockey-2006-07-29T14:05:00.000Z-meaning_of_abbreviation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceyockey-2006-07-29T14:05:00.000Z-meaning_of_abbreviation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"><span id="Proposed_merge_from_.7B.7BR_from_an_incomplete_name.7D.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Proposed merge from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_an_incomplete_name" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:R from an incomplete name">R from an incomplete name</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Proposed merge from {{R from an incomplete name}}"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}"></span>I have proposed that the template <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_an_incomplete_name" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:R from an incomplete name">R from an incomplete name</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> be merged into this one (a simple redirect from would suffice). If there are no objections, I will go ahead and do the merger whenever I get around to it (which should be at least a week, and possibly more like a month.) My basic reasoning is that "abbreviation" doesn't just mean <a href="/wiki/Initialism" class="mw-redirect" title="Initialism">initialism</a>, it means all forms of shortening a title, and could certainly be said to include something like <a href="/wiki/B._Franklin" class="mw-redirect" title="B. Franklin">B. Franklin</a> (for <a href="/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin" title="Benjamin Franklin">Benjamin Franklin</a>). There's really no reasons to distinguish the two for categorization purposes. <span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle \sim }"> <semantics> <mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD"> <mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0"> <mo>∼</mo> </mstyle> </mrow> <annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle \sim }</annotation> </semantics> </math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/afcc42adfcfdc24d5c4c474869e5d8eaa78d1173" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert skin-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: 0.307ex; margin-bottom: -0.478ex; width:1.808ex; height:1.343ex;" alt="{\displaystyle \sim }"/></span> <a href="/wiki/User:Lenoxus" title="User:Lenoxus">Lenoxus</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lenoxus" title="User talk:Lenoxus">" * "</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dave314159-2008-08-26T22:48:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>I'm not categorically opposed to the merge (no pun intended.) However, people have associations with the word "abbreviation" that might make this confusing for them. I think it would be logical to merge both categories/templates into a new one called <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_shortened_name" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:R from shortened name">R from shortened name</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> or something else along those lines. -<a href="/wiki/User:Dave314159" title="User:Dave314159">Dave314159</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dave314159" title="User talk:Dave314159">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Dave314159-2008-08-26T22:48:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dave314159-2008-08-26T22:48:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dave314159-2008-08-26T22:48:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phatom87-2008-09-14T14:31:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>I would agree with this.<a href="/wiki/User:Phatom87" title="User:Phatom87">Phatom87</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phatom87" title="User talk:Phatom87">talk</a> <small>•</small> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Phatom87" title="Special:Contributions/Phatom87">contribs</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Phatom87-2008-09-14T14:31:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phatom87-2008-09-14T14:31:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phatom87-2008-09-14T14:31:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OlEnglish-2009-03-15T20:39:00.000Z-Phatom87-2008-09-14T14:31:00.000Z"></span>See <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_short_name" title="Template:R from short name">R from short name</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:OlEnglish" title="User:OlEnglish">OlEnglish</a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OlEnglish" title="User talk:OlEnglish">Talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-OlEnglish-2009-03-15T20:39:00.000Z-Phatom87-2008-09-14T14:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OlEnglish-2009-03-15T20:39:00.000Z-Phatom87-2008-09-14T14:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OlEnglish-2009-03-15T20:39:00.000Z-Phatom87-2008-09-14T14:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ceyockey-2009-05-31T01:12:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>support</b> — my initial knee-jerk reaction was "no *&@#**! way!". But Lenoxus is right that the real meaning of "<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abbreviation" class="extiw" title="wiktionary:abbreviation">abbreviation</a>" is broader than initialisms and word interrupts (e.g. et cetera → etc.; et alia → et al.). This is an appropriate merger. --User:Ceyockey (<small><i><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ceyockey" title="User talk:Ceyockey">talk to me</a></i></small>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Ceyockey-2009-05-31T01:12:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ceyockey-2009-05-31T01:12:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ceyockey-2009-05-31T01:12:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robertgreer-2009-07-04T23:00:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>oppose</b> on the grounds that an incomplete name and an abbreviation are completely different beasts. An example of the former would be <a href="/wiki/Byzantine_Emperors" class="mw-redirect" title="Byzantine Emperors">Byzantine Emperors</a> redirecting to <a href="/wiki/List_of_Byzantine_emperors" title="List of Byzantine emperors">List of Byzantine emperors</a>; another would be <a href="/wiki/Ulysses_Grant" class="mw-redirect" title="Ulysses Grant">Ulysses Grant</a> sending the reader to <a href="/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant" title="Ulysses S. Grant">Ulysses S. Grant</a>. A redirect from <a href="/wiki/USA" class="mw-redirect" title="USA">USA</a> to <a href="/wiki/United_States" title="United States">United States</a> is an example of the latter. — <a href="/wiki/User:Robertgreer" title="User:Robertgreer">Robert Greer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robertgreer" title="User talk:Robertgreer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Robertgreer-2009-07-04T23:00:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robertgreer-2009-07-04T23:00:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robertgreer-2009-07-04T23:00:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OlEnglish-2009-07-06T22:06:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> I'll have to say no as well. I think in this case it was meant to be for acronyms and initialism. What would make sense though is to merge <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_incomplete_names" title="Category:Redirects from incomplete names">Category:Redirects from incomplete names</a> with <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_short_names" title="Category:Redirects from short names">Category:Redirects from short names</a>. -- <a href="/wiki/User:OlEnglish" title="User:OlEnglish"><span style="font-size:x-large;">œ</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:OlEnglish" title="User talk:OlEnglish"><sup>™</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-OlEnglish-2009-07-06T22:06:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OlEnglish-2009-07-06T22:06:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OlEnglish-2009-07-06T22:06:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JHunterJ-2009-08-02T02:11:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b>. Not all incomplete names are abbreviations, and indeed the ones on the first page of "what links here" are not. -- <a href="/wiki/User:JHunterJ" title="User:JHunterJ">JHunterJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JHunterJ" title="User talk:JHunterJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-JHunterJ-2009-08-02T02:11:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JHunterJ-2009-08-02T02:11:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JHunterJ-2009-08-02T02:11:00.000Z-Lenoxus-2008-06-21T17:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Debresser-2009-09-24T16:40:00.000Z-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}"></span>Discussion closed as <b>keep</b>. Most editors saw a difference between "incomplete" and "abbreviated". In general though, such discussion should take place at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion">Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Debresser" title="User:Debresser">Debresser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Debresser" title="User talk:Debresser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Debresser-2009-09-24T16:40:00.000Z-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:40, 24 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Debresser-2009-09-24T16:40:00.000Z-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Debresser-2009-09-24T16:40:00.000Z-Proposed_merge_from_{{R_from_an_incomplete_name}}"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="links_to_zero_namespace" data-mw-thread-id="h-links_to_zero_namespace-2010-07-06T21:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-links_to_zero_namespace-2010-07-06T21:18:00.000Z"></span>links to zero namespace<span data-mw-comment-end="h-links_to_zero_namespace-2010-07-06T21:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: links to zero namespace"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-07-06T21:18:00.000Z-links_to_zero_namespace"></span>This template is being transcluded from zero namespace redirects. Any links from here to zero namespace disable the possibility for redirect target identification with use of toolserver metadata. </p><p>I've tried replacing such links by external links to wikipedia, but FrescoBot does authomatically replace them back. My view, such a bot behaviour is wrong for this particular type of templates, however... </p><p>Could someone unlock or dewikify the template please (and maybe a few more of this type) so that <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~mashiah/cgi-bin/go.sh?language=en&interface=en&listby=zns">this page</a> and maybe others using similar redurect target recognition technique could contain more relevant data. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Mashiah_Davidson" title="User:Mashiah Davidson">Mashiah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mashiah_Davidson" title="User talk:Mashiah Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-07-06T21:18:00.000Z-links_to_zero_namespace" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-07-06T21:18:00.000Z-links_to_zero_namespace"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-07-06T21:18:00.000Z-links_to_zero_namespace"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links" data-mw-thread-id="h-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z"></span>request for documentation inclusion instead of text with links<span data-mw-comment-end="h-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: request for documentation inclusion instead of text with links"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_protected" title="Template:Edit protected">edit protected</a>}}</code> Dear administrators, as it was agreed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/Redirect_pages#links_to_zero_namespace" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Template messages/Redirect pages">Wikipedia talk:Template messages/Redirect pages#links to zero namespace</a>, links from this template to zero namespace are to be removed as creating ambiguity for toolserver scripts on where the redirect points to. I've moved the text from template to /doc subpage, so could someone please remove all visible content from template page and add {{documentation}} instead? <a href="/wiki/User:Mashiah_Davidson" title="User:Mashiah Davidson">Mashiah</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mashiah_Davidson" title="User talk:Mashiah Davidson">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2010-11-04T16:22:00.000Z-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. However I have removed the instruction to substitute this template which was added by <a href="/wiki/User:Logan" title="User:Logan">User:Logan</a>. That doesn't make any sense to me. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-MSGJ-2010-11-04T16:22:00.000Z-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2010-11-04T16:22:00.000Z-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2010-11-04T16:22:00.000Z-Mashiah_Davidson-2010-11-04T12:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OlEnglish-2010-11-04T16:43:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-11-04T16:22:00.000Z"></span>Why did you remove the text output? All the other redirect templates have it.. -- <a href="/wiki/User:OlEnglish" title="User:OlEnglish"><span style="font-size:x-large;">œ</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:OlEnglish" title="User talk:OlEnglish"><sup>™</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-OlEnglish-2010-11-04T16:43:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-11-04T16:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:43, 4 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OlEnglish-2010-11-04T16:43:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-11-04T16:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OlEnglish-2010-11-04T16:43:00.000Z-MSGJ-2010-11-04T16:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2010-11-04T18:01:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2010-11-04T16:43:00.000Z"></span>Because this is what Mashiah requested and it seemed to me that the discussion he/she linked showed some support for this. If you want me to revert so that you can discuss then I will do so, but the discussion should probably be held in that more central place rather than here. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-MSGJ-2010-11-04T18:01:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2010-11-04T16:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 4 November 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2010-11-04T18:01:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2010-11-04T16:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2010-11-04T18:01:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2010-11-04T16:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="outdent-template" style="position:relative;left:1px;"><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-bottom:1px solid #a2a9b1;border-right:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span><span style="display:block;width:16em;height:0.5em;border-left:1px solid #a2a9b1;"></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-01-27T23:35:00.000Z-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links"></span>First of all, it seems strange that the "ambiguity" in question is just now becoming a problem. I see nothing ambiguous about a redirect that points to something it relates to, which is categorized with a populating Redirect category (Rcat) template that has links that very most likely will have nothing to do with the target of the redirect. </p><p>Secondly, if such ambiguity must be dealt with, then why attack Rcats, many of which contain text with links? It seems that it would be more efficient to find a solution at the origin, i.e., the toolserver metadata software. </p><p>Lastly, it was mentioned that the Rcat text is "never actually displayed to anyone". The text <i><b>is</b></i> displayed to Wikipedia editors, both when they come to the Rcat itself, and when they click from the history page of a redirect to see an editorial change. That text can be very informative with or without links. </p><p>To summarize, it seems that it would be a huge task to find every Rcat that has links and to delete the links or create /doc pages. So a better more efficient solution should be sought. At the very least, the text itself can be informative, so I would like to see at least the text sans the links restored to this template. I will place an <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">Editprotected</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template soon, if necessary. — <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;"> </span>Ellsworth</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span></a> ) 23:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC) <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Editprotected" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Editprotected">editprotected</a>}}</code> Please revert and add the text back in. There is no need for the link in the text; however, since the text is part of the <a href="/wiki/Help:Diff" title="Help:Diff">Difference between revisions</a> pages, then it is still needed in these Rcat templates. — <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;"> </span>Ellsworth</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span></a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-01-27T23:35:00.000Z-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-01-27T23:35:00.000Z-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-01-27T23:35:00.000Z-request_for_documentation_inclusion_instead_of_text_with_links"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2011-01-31T16:41:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-01-27T23:35:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> text restored</b></span> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-MSGJ-2011-01-31T16:41:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-01-27T23:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2011-01-31T16:41:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-01-27T23:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2011-01-31T16:41:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-01-27T23:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-02-04T19:15:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-01-31T16:41:00.000Z"></span>Thank you, Martin! — <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine<span style="white-space:nowrap;"> </span>Ellsworth</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span></a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-02-04T19:15:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-01-31T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:15, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-02-04T19:15:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-01-31T16:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-02-04T19:15:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-01-31T16:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_request-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_request-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z"></span>Merge request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_request-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Merge request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><code><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mclay1-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z-Merge_request"></span>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Edit_protected" title="Template:Edit protected">edit protected</a>}}</code> Per a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_February_6#Category:Redirects_from_initialisms" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 6">recent CFD</a>, please replace content with: </p><p><code>#REDIRECT [[Template:R from initialism]]<br/> <br/> {{This is a redirect|to redirect template}}</code> </p><p>Thank you. Unprotecting the page would also be good. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Mclay1" title="User:Mclay1"><span style="color:red">McLerristarr</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mclay1" title="User talk:Mclay1"><span style="color:blue">Mclay1</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Mclay1-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z-Merge_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mclay1-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z-Merge_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mclay1-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z-Merge_request"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2011-02-17T12:10:00.000Z-Mclay1-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>. Happy to unprotect as well if the number of transclusions is not <i>too</i> high. But I don't know how to check that due to the redirect-transclusion bug. Maybe you can answer that? — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-MSGJ-2011-02-17T12:10:00.000Z-Mclay1-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2011-02-17T12:10:00.000Z-Mclay1-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2011-02-17T12:10:00.000Z-Mclay1-2011-02-17T02:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-02-17T12:10:00.000Z"></span>Yes.. how do we get all the existing transclusions of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> into <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_initialisms" title="Category:Redirects from initialisms">Category:Redirects from initialisms</a>? -- <a href="/wiki/User:OlEnglish" title="User:OlEnglish"><span style="font-size:x-large;">œ</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:OlEnglish" title="User talk:OlEnglish"><sup>™</sup></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-02-17T12:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-02-17T12:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-02-17T12:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mclay1-2011-02-18T15:55:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span>It'll do it automatically. They won't appear to move at first but they have. <b><a href="/wiki/User:Mclay1" title="User:Mclay1"><span style="color:red">McLerristarr</span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mclay1" title="User talk:Mclay1"><span style="color:blue">Mclay1</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Mclay1-2011-02-18T15:55:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 18 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mclay1-2011-02-18T15:55:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mclay1-2011-02-18T15:55:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T04:25:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span>It probably takes a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Null_edit" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Null edit">null edit</a> to see them. – <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine Ellsworth</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span></a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T04:25:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T04:25:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T04:25:00.000Z-OlEnglish-2011-02-17T22:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Double_redirect" data-mw-thread-id="h-Double_redirect-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Double_redirect-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z"></span>Double redirect<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Double_redirect-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Double redirect"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z-Double_redirect"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>This has become a double redirect and must be rerouted to <a href="/wiki/Template:Redirect_from_initialism" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Redirect from initialism">Template:Redirect from initialism</a>. Thank you very much! – <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine Ellsworth</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span></a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z-Double_redirect" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z-Double_redirect"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z-Double_redirect"></span> </p> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gurch-2011-06-17T06:22:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z"></span>PS.</b> Shouldn't this talk page be moved to <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Redirect_from_initialism" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Redirect from initialism">Template talk:Redirect from initialism</a> and redirect there?</li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd>Yes, this talk page should be moved to <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Redirect_from_initialism" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Redirect from initialism">Template talk:Redirect from initialism</a>. The page currently there can safely be overwritten as there is no content or history other than a note directing people to this page. <a href="/wiki/User:Gurch" title="User:Gurch">Gurch</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gurch" title="User talk:Gurch">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Gurch-2011-06-17T06:22:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gurch-2011-06-17T06:22:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gurch-2011-06-17T06:22:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T03:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2011-06-17T08:01:00.000Z-Gurch-2011-06-17T06:22:00.000Z"></span>I would prefer to move the whole template over there. The history of <a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">Template:R from abbreviation</a> goes back to 2004 whereas <a href="/wiki/Template:Redirect_from_initialism" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Redirect from initialism">Template:Redirect from initialism</a> was created in 2010. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-MSGJ-2011-06-17T08:01:00.000Z-Gurch-2011-06-17T06:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2011-06-17T08:01:00.000Z-Gurch-2011-06-17T06:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2011-06-17T08:01:00.000Z-Gurch-2011-06-17T06:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T08:55:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-06-17T08:01:00.000Z"></span>The <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template is redirected to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_initialism" title="Template:R from initialism">R from initialism</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, which is now redirected to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Redirect_from_initialism" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Redirect from initialism">Redirect from initialism</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. So all that needs to happen is to fix the double redirect and move this page to <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Redirect_from_initialism" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Redirect from initialism">Template talk:Redirect from initialism</a>, isn't that correct? I tried to move it, and evidently the move requires the help of an admin. – <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine Ellsworth</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span></a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T08:55:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-06-17T08:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:55, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T08:55:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-06-17T08:01:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T08:55:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-06-17T08:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2011-06-17T11:20:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T08:55:00.000Z"></span>When merging two templates it is more common to keep the older template as the main template as it has more history and people can see how the template developed. Otherwise this history will be less visible in a redirect. Hope that makes sense, and I think, all is done now. — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-MSGJ-2011-06-17T11:20:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T08:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2011-06-17T11:20:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T08:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2011-06-17T11:20:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-17T08:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-18T04:22:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-06-17T11:20:00.000Z"></span>For the uncountableth time, thank you very much, Martin! – <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Ariel;">Paine Ellsworth</span></a> ( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:blue; font-family:Ariel;">C<small>LIMAX</small></span></a> ) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-18T04:22:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-06-17T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:22, 18 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-18T04:22:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-06-17T11:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2011-06-18T04:22:00.000Z-MSGJ-2011-06-17T11:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Red_links_in_documentation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Red_links_in_documentation-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Red_links_in_documentation-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span>Red links in documentation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Red_links_in_documentation-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Red links in documentation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z-Red_links_in_documentation"></span>I noticed that the documentation page is showing some red links for the <a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_initialism/doc#Redirects" title="Template:R from initialism/doc">templates that allegedly redirect here</a>. I couldn't find any deletion logs for them, so I assume there is no good reason for them not to exist; should they be created? —<a href="/wiki/User:SoledadKabocha" title="User:SoledadKabocha">SoledadKabocha</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SoledadKabocha" title="User talk:SoledadKabocha">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z-Red_links_in_documentation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z-Red_links_in_documentation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z-Red_links_in_documentation"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JPæst-2013-06-14T11:13:00.000Z-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span>The <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RCAT">Rcats</a> will be created soon. — <i><b><span style="text-decoration: overline underline;"><big>|</big><a href="/wiki/User:JP%C3%A6st" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JPæst"><span style="color: #00FF0F;">J</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPaestpreornJeolhlna" title="Special:Contributions/JPaestpreornJeolhlna"><span style="color: #0FF;">~</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JP%C3%A6st" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:JPæst"><span style="color: #00F;">Pæst</span></a><big>|</big></span></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-JPæst-2013-06-14T11:13:00.000Z-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPæst-2013-06-14T11:13:00.000Z-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPæst-2013-06-14T11:13:00.000Z-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JPæst-2013-06-19T16:50:00.000Z-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span>The Rcats have now been created. Thank you! — <i><b><span style="text-decoration: overline underline;"><big>|</big><a href="/wiki/User:JP%C3%A6st" class="mw-redirect" title="User:JPæst"><span style="color: #00FF0F;">J</span></a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPaestpreornJeolhlna" title="Special:Contributions/JPaestpreornJeolhlna"><span style="color: #0FF;">~</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JP%C3%A6st" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:JPæst"><span style="color: #00F;">Pæst</span></a><big>|</big></span></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-JPæst-2013-06-19T16:50:00.000Z-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JPæst-2013-06-19T16:50:00.000Z-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JPæst-2013-06-19T16:50:00.000Z-SoledadKabocha-2013-06-13T15:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Rcats_needed" data-mw-thread-id="h-Rcats_needed-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Rcats_needed-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z"></span>Rcats needed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Rcats_needed-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Rcats needed"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z-Rcats_needed"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">Template:R from abbreviation</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><b>{{<span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_abbreviation&action=edit">R from abbreviation</a></span>}}</b> needs <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RCAT">Rcats</a> (redirect categories) added. Please modify it as follows: </p> <ul><li>from this...</li></ul> <pre>#REDIRECT [[Template:R from initialism]] </pre> <ul><li>to this...</li></ul> <pre>#REDIRECT [[Template:R from initialism]] {{Redr|to redirect template|from alternative name|protected}} </pre> <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1239334494">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output div:not(.notheme)>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output p>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output table:not(.notheme) .tmp-color{color:inherit!important}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output div:not(.notheme)>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output p>.tmp-color,html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output table:not(.notheme) .tmp-color{color:inherit!important}}</style><span class="tmp-color" style="color:darkred"><b><small>WHEN YOU COPY & PASTE, PLEASE LEAVE THE MIDDLE LINE BLANK FOR READABILITY.</small></b></span></li></ul> <p>Template <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Redr" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Redr">Redr</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> is a shortcut for the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:This_is_a_redirect" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:This is a redirect">This is a redirect</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template, which is itself a shortcut used to add categories to redirects. Thank you in advance! – <i><b><small><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span></a></small></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;"><i>C<small>LIMAX</small>!</i></b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z-Rcats_needed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 25 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z-Rcats_needed"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z-Rcats_needed"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MSGJ-2013-10-25T07:52:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span> — Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a> · <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MSGJ" title="User talk:MSGJ">talk</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-MSGJ-2013-10-25T07:52:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MSGJ-2013-10-25T07:52:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MSGJ-2013-10-25T07:52:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T02:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T09:59:00.000Z-MSGJ-2013-10-25T07:52:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/18px-Face-smile.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/27px-Face-smile.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Face-smile.svg/36px-Face-smile.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="48" data-file-height="48"/></span></span> <b>Thank you very much!</b> – Martin <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:MSGJ" title="User:MSGJ">MSGJ</a>)</small> – <i><b><small><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span></a></small></b></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;"><i>C<small>LIMAX</small>!</i></b></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T09:59:00.000Z-MSGJ-2013-10-25T07:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:59, 25 October 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T09:59:00.000Z-MSGJ-2013-10-25T07:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2013-10-25T09:59:00.000Z-MSGJ-2013-10-25T07:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Text" data-mw-thread-id="h-Text-2014-04-02T13:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Text-2014-04-02T13:35:00.000Z"></span>Text<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Text-2014-04-02T13:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Text"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2014-04-02T13:35:00.000Z-Text"></span>Change "intitialism" to "abbreviation or initialism"? All the best, <i><a href="/wiki/User:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User:Rich Farmbrough">Rich</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User talk:Rich Farmbrough">Farmbrough</a></i>, <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Rich_Farmbrough-2014-04-02T13:35:00.000Z-Text" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)</a>.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2014-04-02T13:35:00.000Z-Text"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2014-04-02T13:35:00.000Z-Text"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_April_2014" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_April_2014-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_April_2014-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z"></span>Template-protected edit request on 27 April 2014<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_April_2014-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 27 April 2014"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_April_2014"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Please add a comma after where the template reads "For more information." <a href="/wiki/User:Dustin_V._S." class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dustin V. S."><span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman;"><i>Dustin</i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dustin_V._S." class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dustin V. S.">(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman;">talk</span>)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_April_2014" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_April_2014"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z-Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_April_2014"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-C678-2014-04-27T19:50:00.000Z-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span><b> Done</b></span>—<a href="/wiki/User:C678" class="mw-redirect" title="User:C678"><span style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberpower</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:C678" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:C678"><sup style="color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Chat</sup></a><sub style="margin-left:-4.2ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Online</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-C678-2014-04-27T19:50:00.000Z-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-C678-2014-04-27T19:50:00.000Z-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-C678-2014-04-27T19:50:00.000Z-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T19:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T23:08:00.000Z-C678-2014-04-27T19:50:00.000Z"></span>Thank you! <a href="/wiki/User:Dustin_V._S." class="mw-redirect" title="User:Dustin V. S."><span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman;"><i>Dustin</i></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Dustin_V._S." class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Dustin V. S.">(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman;">talk</span>)</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T23:08:00.000Z-C678-2014-04-27T19:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T23:08:00.000Z-C678-2014-04-27T19:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dustin_V._S.-2014-04-27T23:08:00.000Z-C678-2014-04-27T19:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Edit_request_on_13_July_2015" data-mw-thread-id="h-Edit_request_on_13_July_2015-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Edit_request_on_13_July_2015-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z"></span>Edit request on 13 July 2015<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Edit_request_on_13_July_2015-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Edit request on 13 July 2015"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_13_July_2015"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="semi"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> to <a href="/wiki/Template:Redirect_from_initialism" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Redirect from initialism">Template:Redirect from initialism</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>A protected redirect, <b>Template:Redirect from initialism</b><span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Redirect_from_initialism&redirect=no">,</a></span> needs redirect category (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RCAT">rcat</a>) templates added. Please modify it as follows: </p> <ul><li>from this:</li></ul> <pre style="font-size:95%;overflow:auto;">#REDIRECT [[Template:R from initialism]] </pre> <ul><li>to this:</li></ul> <pre style="font-size:95%;overflow:auto;">#REDIRECT [[Template:R from initialism]] {{Redr|from move|to redirect template|for convenience}} </pre> <ul><li><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1239334494"><span class="tmp-color" style="color:darkred"><b><small>WHEN YOU COPY & PASTE, PLEASE LEAVE THE SKIPPED LINE BLANK FOR READABILITY.</small></b></span></li></ul> <p>Template <i>Redr</i> is an alias for the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:This_is_a_redirect" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:This is a redirect">This is a redirect</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template, which is used to sort redirects into one or more categories. Thank you in advance! – <i><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_13_July_2015" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_13_July_2015"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z-Edit_request_on_13_July_2015"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Redrose64-2015-07-13T17:54:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/20px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/30px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/40px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Done</b> --<a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Redrose64" title="User talk:Redrose64">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Redrose64-2015-07-13T17:54:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Redrose64-2015-07-13T17:54:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Redrose64-2015-07-13T17:54:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-07-13T08:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd>Hugs and <b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth#Move_template?" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth">kittens</a></b>, <a href="/wiki/User:Redrose64" title="User:Redrose64"><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a>! and {{subst:<a href="/wiki/Template:Pell" title="Template:Pell">pell</a>}}</dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Abbreviation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Abbreviation-2016-08-18T17:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Abbreviation-2016-08-18T17:34:00.000Z"></span>Abbreviation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Abbreviation-2016-08-18T17:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Abbreviation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jnestorius-2016-08-18T17:34:00.000Z-Abbreviation"></span>At <a href="/wiki/Category_talk:Redirects_from_abbreviations#Why_is_this_a_container_category?" title="Category talk:Redirects from abbreviations">Category talk:Redirects from abbreviations#Why is this a container category?</a> I question the wisdom of having <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> redirect to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_initialism" title="Template:R from initialism">R from initialism</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. Comments welcome there. <a href="/wiki/User:Jnestorius" title="User:Jnestorius">jnestorius</a><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jnestorius" title="User talk:Jnestorius">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Jnestorius-2016-08-18T17:34:00.000Z-Abbreviation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jnestorius-2016-08-18T17:34:00.000Z-Abbreviation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jnestorius-2016-08-18T17:34:00.000Z-Abbreviation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Requested_move_17_October_2016" data-mw-thread-id="h-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-17T08:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-17T08:48:00.000Z"></span>Requested move 17 October 2016<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-17T08:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Requested move 17 October 2016"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Andrewa-2016-10-24T08:34:00.000Z-Requested_move_17_October_2016"></span>The following is a closed discussion of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">move review</a>. No further edits should be made to this section. </i></dd></dl> <p>The result of the move request was: <b>not moved</b>. <a href="/wiki/User:Andrewa" title="User:Andrewa">Andrewa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Andrewa" title="User talk:Andrewa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Andrewa-2016-10-24T08:34:00.000Z-Requested_move_17_October_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Andrewa-2016-10-24T08:34:00.000Z-Requested_move_17_October_2016"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Andrewa-2016-10-24T08:34:00.000Z-Requested_move_17_October_2016"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_initialism" title="Template:R from initialism"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:48:00.000Z-Requested_move_17_October_2016"></span>Template:R from initialism</a> → <a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">Template:R from abbreviation</a> – <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> redirects here, yet not all abbreviations are initialisms, but initialisms seem to be all abbreviations, so this makes no sense, the redirects should be inverted, and the categorization sorted accordingly. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_initialism" title="Template:R from initialism">R from initialism</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> would become a wrapper that activates the appropriate redirect categorization, while standard abbreviation template would not use the initialism category. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.94.171.217" title="Special:Contributions/65.94.171.217">65.94.171.217</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.94.171.217" title="User talk:65.94.171.217">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:48:00.000Z-Requested_move_17_October_2016" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:48, 17 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:48:00.000Z-Requested_move_17_October_2016"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:48:00.000Z-Requested_move_17_October_2016"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Survey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Survey-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Survey-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span>Survey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Survey-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Survey"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z-Survey"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1236090951">.mw-parser-output .hatnote{font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output div.hatnote{padding-left:1.6em;margin-bottom:0.5em}.mw-parser-output .hatnote i{font-style:normal}.mw-parser-output .hatnote+link+.hatnote{margin-top:-0.5em}@media print{body.ns-0 .mw-parser-output .hatnote{display:none!important}}</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with<i> <code>*'''Support'''</code> </i>or<i> <code>*'''Oppose'''</code></i>, then sign your comment with<i> <code>~~~~</code></i>. Since <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Polling_is_not_a_substitute_for_discussion" title="Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion">polling is not a substitute for discussion</a>, please explain your reasons, taking into account <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles" title="Wikipedia:Article titles">Wikipedia's policy on article titles</a>.</div> <ul><li><b>Support</b> I am the nominator. This current scheme is wrong and does not categorize correctly. Abbreviations can be formed by clipping, dropping syllables, etc, which are all not initialisms. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.94.171.217" title="Special:Contributions/65.94.171.217">65.94.171.217</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.94.171.217" title="User talk:65.94.171.217">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z-Survey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:49, 17 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z-Survey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z-Survey"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-10-17T11:11:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span>Oppose.</b> Some abbreviations are initialisms, some are <a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_acronym" title="Template:R from acronym">acronyms</a>, there are also systematic abbreviations and symbols as shown by subcategories at <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_abbreviations" title="Category:Redirects from abbreviations">Category:Redirects from abbreviations</a>. There are a few editors who are trying to work through the detailed mess that these are in, as seen on the various talk pages, including this one, so such a page move is premature at this time. I do applaud the nom for this attempted solution, though. <i><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</span></a></b></i> <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>u</sup></a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paine_Ellsworth" title="Special:Contributions/Paine Ellsworth"><small>c</small></a> <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-10-17T11:11:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-10-17T11:11:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-10-17T11:11:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Steel1943-2016-10-17T12:53:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> per Paine. If needed, create a new <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RCAT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RCAT">WP:RCAT</a> to reflect the rationale, possibly overwriting the redirect. Moving the template doesn't seem productive to accomplish additional helpfulness to the project. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Steel1943&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Steel1943 (page does not exist)"><span style="color: #2F4F4F;"><i><b>Steel1943</b></i></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Steel1943" title="User talk:Steel1943">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Steel1943-2016-10-17T12:53:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:53, 17 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Steel1943-2016-10-17T12:53:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Steel1943-2016-10-17T12:53:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-20T07:04:00.000Z-Steel1943-2016-10-17T12:53:00.000Z"></span>It is definitely needed, and I pointed out why. <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> redirects here, and that's categorically wrong. It's why I proposed to reverse the redirect, to fix this glaring error. -- <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.94.171.217" title="Special:Contributions/65.94.171.217">65.94.171.217</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:65.94.171.217" title="User talk:65.94.171.217">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-20T07:04:00.000Z-Steel1943-2016-10-17T12:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 20 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-20T07:04:00.000Z-Steel1943-2016-10-17T12:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-65.94.171.217-2016-10-20T07:04:00.000Z-Steel1943-2016-10-17T12:53:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Plantdrew-2016-10-17T15:46:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> Better to turn the redirect into a separate template. Moving won't help to clear up the situation. <a href="/wiki/User:Plantdrew" title="User:Plantdrew">Plantdrew</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Plantdrew" title="User talk:Plantdrew">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Plantdrew-2016-10-17T15:46:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:46, 17 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Plantdrew-2016-10-17T15:46:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Plantdrew-2016-10-17T15:46:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nyuszika7H-2016-10-17T19:50:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> per above, it might be better to create a separate rcat instead. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Nyuszika7H&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Nyuszika7H (page does not exist)">nyuszika7h</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nyuszika7H" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Nyuszika7H">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Nyuszika7H-2016-10-17T19:50:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 17 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nyuszika7H-2016-10-17T19:50:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nyuszika7H-2016-10-17T19:50:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Champion-2016-10-22T01:00:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span>Oppose</b> we can create separate rcats for those. - <b><a href="/wiki/User:Champion" title="User:Champion"><big>C</big><small>HAMPION</small></a></b> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Champion" title="User talk:Champion">talk</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Champion" title="Special:Contributions/Champion">contributions</a>) (<a href="/wiki/Special:Log/Champion" title="Special:Log/Champion">logs</a>) </sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Champion-2016-10-22T01:00:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:00, 22 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Champion-2016-10-22T01:00:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Champion-2016-10-22T01:00:00.000Z-65.94.171.217-2016-10-17T08:49:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Discussion-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-18T00:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Discussion-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-18T00:50:00.000Z"></span>Discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Discussion-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2016-10-18T00:50:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <dl><dd><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-10-18T00:50:00.000Z-Discussion"></span>Any additional comments:</i></dd></dl> <ul><li><b>Comment.</b> A glance at the <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:R_from_abbreviation&action=history">page history</a> of the <a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a> redirect shows that it was moved opposite to this request to this title in June of 2011. Editors have been trying ever since then to make sense of the rcats and the category tree, thus far to no avail. I hope to find editors with some expertise in this area, because to me, it's a true <a href="/wiki/Squirrel%27s_nest" class="mw-redirect" title="Squirrel's nest">squirrel's nest</a>. More advisories are more than welcome! <i><b><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</span></a></b></i> <a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>u</sup></a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paine_Ellsworth" title="Special:Contributions/Paine Ellsworth"><small>c</small></a> <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-10-18T00:50:00.000Z-Discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:50, 18 October 2016 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-10-18T00:50:00.000Z-Discussion"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2016-10-18T00:50:00.000Z-Discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li></ul> <hr/> <dl><dd><i>The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves" title="Wikipedia:Requested moves">requested move</a>. <span style="color:red"><b>Please do not modify it.</b></span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Move_review" title="Wikipedia:Move review">move review</a>. No further edits should be made to this section.</i></dd></dl></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Followup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Followup-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2018-07-11T20:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Followup-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2018-07-11T20:51:00.000Z"></span>Followup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Followup-Requested_move_17_October_2016-2018-07-11T20:51:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Followup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2018-07-11T20:51:00.000Z-Followup"></span>Pursuant to the above discussion, I have created <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a>}}</code>, and updated <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_abbreviations" title="Category:Redirects from abbreviations">Category:Redirects from abbreviations</a>. Due to replacement of the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a>}}</code> former redirect with <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_initialism" title="Template:R from initialism">R from initialism</a>}}</code>, a lot of category cleanup is going to have to be done (this was what inspired the RM in the first place – miscategorization of thousands of non-initialisms and initialisms). I also note that <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_abbreviations" title="Category:Redirects from abbreviations">Category:Redirects from abbreviations</a> includes a lot of acronyms and initialisms, presumably from a combination of manual categorization and mis-application of <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_abbreviation" title="Template:R from abbreviation">R from abbreviation</a>}}</code> to acronyms and initialisms. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish"><b>SMcCandlish</b></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">☏</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">¢</a> 😼 </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-SMcCandlish-2018-07-11T20:51:00.000Z-Followup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2018-07-11T20:51:00.000Z-Followup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2018-07-11T20:51:00.000Z-Followup"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_"initialism"_definition_or_link" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_"initialism"_definition_or_link-2021-12-09T14:52:00.000Z"><span id="Add_.22initialism.22_definition_or_link"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_"initialism"_definition_or_link-2021-12-09T14:52:00.000Z"></span>Add "initialism" definition or link<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_"initialism"_definition_or_link-2021-12-09T14:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Add "initialism" definition or link"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TARDIS_Builder-2021-12-09T14:52:00.000Z-Add_"initialism"_definition_or_link"></span>Hi, I particularly like the way <i><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_acronym" title="Template:R from acronym">Template:R from acronym</a></i> has done it, with a link in the explanation text to the <a href="/wiki/Acronym" title="Acronym">Acronym</a> article, as well as an explanation of <i>this</i> template using examples that are very easy to understand – no definition parsing needed. Can we add those things to this template as well? — <span class="nowrap" style="font-variant:small-caps"><b><a href="/wiki/User:TARDIS_Builder" title="User:TARDIS Builder">TARDIS builder</a></b></span><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TARDIS_Builder" title="User talk:TARDIS Builder">✉</a></sup> ★ <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-TARDIS_Builder-2021-12-09T14:52:00.000Z-Add_"initialism"_definition_or_link" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TARDIS_Builder-2021-12-09T14:52:00.000Z-Add_"initialism"_definition_or_link"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TARDIS_Builder-2021-12-09T14:52:00.000Z-Add_"initialism"_definition_or_link"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Template-protected_edit_request_on_29_September_2024" data-mw-thread-id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_29_September_2024-20240929192600"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_29_September_2024-20240929192600"></span>Template-protected edit request on 29 September 2024<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Template-protected_edit_request_on_29_September_2024-20240929192600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Template-protected edit request on 29 September 2024"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TTWIDEE-20240929192600-Template-protected_edit_request_on_29_September_2024"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox mbox-small tmbox-notice editrequest" role="presentation" data-origlevel="template"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/30px-Information_icon4.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/45px-Information_icon4.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/Information_icon4.svg/60px-Information_icon4.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="620" data-file-height="620"/></span></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests" title="Wikipedia:Edit requests">edit request</a> has been answered. Set the <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|answered=</code> or <code style="white-space: nowrap;">|ans=</code> parameter to <b>no</b> to reactivate your request.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Remove the commas around both appearances of the word "instead". <a href="/wiki/User:TTWIDEE" title="User:TTWIDEE">TTWIDEE</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TTWIDEE" title="User talk:TTWIDEE">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-TTWIDEE-20240929192600-Template-protected_edit_request_on_29_September_2024" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TTWIDEE-20240929192600-Template-protected_edit_request_on_29_September_2024"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TTWIDEE-20240929192600-Template-protected_edit_request_on_29_September_2024"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Ahecht-20240930001100-TTWIDEE-20240929192600"></span>Pinging @<a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth">Paine Ellsworth</a>, since this text was inserted by them. <span class="nowrap">--<a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Ahecht" title="User talk:Ahecht"><b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br/>PAGE</b></a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Ahecht-20240930001100-TTWIDEE-20240929192600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Ahecht-20240930001100-TTWIDEE-20240929192600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Ahecht-20240930001100-TTWIDEE-20240929192600"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240930015500-TTWIDEE-20240929192600"></span><span class="nowrap"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/18px-Yes_check.svg.png" decoding="async" width="18" height="18" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/27px-Yes_check.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Yes_check.svg/36px-Yes_check.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></span></span> <b>Completed</b></span> and thank you very much, editor <a href="/wiki/User:Ahecht" title="User:Ahecht">Ahecht</a>, for the courtesy ping<i>!</i> <i><b><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span></a></b></i> , <a href="/wiki/Editor" class="mw-redirect" title="Editor"><span style="color:black">ed.</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User talk:Paine Ellsworth"><sup>put'er there</sup></a> <small><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:R_from_initialism#c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240930015500-TTWIDEE-20240929192600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240930015500-TTWIDEE-20240929192600"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-20240930015500-TTWIDEE-20240929192600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&oldid=1248535035">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:R_from_initialism&oldid=1248535035</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Category</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_redirect_pages" title="Category:Template-Class redirect pages">Template-Class redirect pages</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 30 September 2024, at 01:55<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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