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Our services are intended for corporate subscribers and you warrant that the email address submitted is your corporate email address.</span> </div> </form> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p>So different starting points, slightly different approaches. But many, countries are beginning to understand the societal impact of a potential attack on critical infrastructure. With an adversary attacking a private business there’s a fiscal impact. But the knock on effect is you can’t get oil or gas to a customer, they can’t run their cars if you can’t get electricity to them, there’s a societal impact, and that is often is much greater. And so it’s really good to see governments and other institutions working in collaboration with private businesses to try and improve that position.</p> <h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-data-centres-are-becoming-widely-classified-as-critical-infrastructure-are-there-any-particular-challenges-in-this-area">Data centres are becoming widely classified as critical infrastructure. Are there any particular challenges in this area?</h3> <p>Data centres a quite unique case, because they cross the IT side in terms of the criticality of the systems that they’re hosting, but they also have operational technology that support their operating their facilities. So vast amount of air conditioning. They have a huge reliance on power. So all of that technology that supports the safe running and operation of data centers is very similar to other critical sectors. But then the impact and knock-on effect of the loss of one of those facilities is very high.</p><div id="slot-two"></div> <p>Data centre operators recognise this risk and the big hyperscalers, in particular, are incredibly proactive even without legislation, because they’re protecting their business. In an ideal world, that’s how it would always be, that organisations aren’t told exactly what they should do and when to do it.</p> <p>But sometimes that’s a necessary thing to really create a cultural change, like getting drivers to wear seat belts when they were first introduced. Bringing data centres under the under the protection of <a href="https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/section/advice-guidance/all-topics?allTopics=true&topics=critical%20national%20infrastructure%20(cni)&sort=date%2Bdesc">critical national infrastructure</a> allows governments to provide greater support and assistance to them in helping them on that journey.</p> <h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-so-you-work-across-the-private-and-public-sector">So you work across the private and public sector?</h3> <p>We’re recognised internationally as being the leaders in threat intelligence in this space. Governments want to speak to us about the prevalence of risk, and we then we advise them of what the right kinds of controls may be. But we advise agnostically on what we think are the right controls. </p> <h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-what-about-controls-in-the-form-of-regulation">What about controls in the form of regulation? </h3> <p>Legislation can often be prescriptive. It drives people to do 20 different things all at once. And, actually, there are some key things that you can do to really drive the risk down within your environment. The first one is to be prepared and have Incident Response Plans. It’s to create a defensible architecture around your assets. It’s critical to make sure that only trusted people can get through that defensible architecture by having a secure remote access solution.</p> <p>Then, because you’ve created a bubble, essentially a perimeter around your assets, we advise people should monitor what’s going on inside, and then finally, to have a risk-based vulnerability management process. And with those things in place, we believe a majority of both criminal and state actors can, actually, be prevented from using their current tactics and techniques.</p> <p>The challenge with prescriptive legislation, is sometimes it asks for capabilities that are common in the IT space and not necessarily that impactful in operational technology. Operational technology facilities can be five to fifty years old, so it’s incredibly challenging and actually distracting from the basics, which are what can really mitigate threats.</p> <p>And ultimately, businesses have been managing resilience for themselves for a long time. You know, these companies are built on resilience, keeping the lights on, keeping the gas flowing. We live in a world of incredibly reliable energy networks. But they’re now dealing now with an adversary with intent. 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