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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Politics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Politics</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Politics</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">politics articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Untitled" data-mw-thread-id="h-Untitled-2004-05-20T09:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Untitled-2004-05-20T09:24:00.000Z"></span>Untitled<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Untitled-2004-05-20T09:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Untitled"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tillwe-2004-05-20T09:24:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>I think the new English-only design is okay and small enough to stuff it into articles. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tillwe" title="User:Tillwe">till we *)</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tillwe" title="User talk:Tillwe">(talk) </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany#c-Tillwe-2004-05-20T09:24:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 20 May 2004 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tillwe-2004-05-20T09:24:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tillwe-2004-05-20T09:24:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tillwe-2005-09-21T09:37:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>Sorry, why are you two changing the eagle to and back? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Tillwe" title="User:Tillwe"><i>till we</i> <small>☼</small>☽</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Tillwe" title="User talk:Tillwe">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany#c-Tillwe-2005-09-21T09:37:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tillwe-2005-09-21T09:37:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tillwe-2005-09-21T09:37:00.000Z-Untitled"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:10:00.000Z-Untitled"></span>I prefer the better drawing while the other guy is insisting on the ugly version. </p> <dl><dd>Why not take a look at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.bund.de/nn_58892/Microsites/Protokoll/Staatliche-Symbole/Bundeswappen/Bundeswappen-knoten.html__nnn=true">http://www.bund.de/nn_58892/Microsites/Protokoll/Staatliche-Symbole/Bundeswappen/Bundeswappen-knoten.html__nnn=true</a> and decide for yourself which is the correct version? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:213.54.217.1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:213.54.217.1 (page does not exist)">213.54.217.1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany#c-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:10:00.000Z-Untitled" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:10:00.000Z-Untitled"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:10:00.000Z-Untitled"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:56:00.000Z-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:10:00.000Z"></span>In heraldry, there is no such thing as a "correct version". A coat of arms is defined solely by what in German is called Blasonierung, and the artist is free to interpret it. This very basic heraldic rule is clearly recognized by the German state, which itself uses several interpretations of the coat of arms. Just look at www.bundestag.de for an example.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This is not a coat of arms. Also, we are not talking about heraldry but about national symbols, which do have a precise definition. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:213.54.217.1&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:213.54.217.1 (page does not exist)">213.54.217.1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany#c-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:56:00.000Z-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:56:00.000Z-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:56:00.000Z-213.54.217.1-2005-09-21T15:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>This is a coat of arms, and this is about heraldry. If you want to use heraldic symbols, you have to follow heraldic rules.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Angela_Merkel" data-mw-thread-id="h-Angela_Merkel-2005-10-25T21:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Angela_Merkel-2005-10-25T21:39:00.000Z"></span>Angela Merkel<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Angela_Merkel-2005-10-25T21:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Angela Merkel"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wilfried_Derksen-2005-10-25T21:39:00.000Z-Angela_Merkel"></span>Hello, I as a resident of <a href="/wiki/Germany" title="Germany">Germany</a> think that the template should be slightly corrected. <a href="/wiki/Angela_merkel" class="mw-redirect" title="Angela merkel">Angela merkel</a> may not lay back on the <a href="/wiki/Chancellor" title="Chancellor">chancellor</a>'s seat, since she still needs to be affirmed by parliament. Officially, <a href="/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der" title="Gerhard Schröder">Gerhard Schröder</a> is still chancellor, even though Mrs. Merkel is highly probably the next Head of Government. </p> <dl><dd>I agree<a href="/wiki/User:Wilfried_Derksen" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Wilfried Derksen">Electionworld</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany#c-Wilfried_Derksen-2005-10-25T21:39:00.000Z-Angela_Merkel" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 25 October 2005 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wilfried_Derksen-2005-10-25T21:39:00.000Z-Angela_Merkel"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wilfried_Derksen-2005-10-25T21:39:00.000Z-Angela_Merkel"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany" data-mw-thread-id="h-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Federal_Convention_(Germany)" title="Federal Convention (Germany)">Federal Convention</a> and <a href="/wiki/President_of_Germany" title="President of Germany">President of Germany</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Federal Convention and President of Germany"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany"></span>Hello, in the template there is on obvious mistake and one disputed: </p> <ol><li>Obvious: The <a href="/wiki/Federal_Convention_(Germany)" title="Federal Convention (Germany)">Federal Convention (Germany)</a> is not part of the <a href="/wiki/Legislature" title="Legislature">Legislature</a> because it votes on <u>no</u> law.</li> <li>Disputed: <ul><li>The <a href="/wiki/Federal_Constitutional_Court" title="Federal Constitutional Court">Federal Constitutional Court</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/entscheidungen/es20140610_2bve000209.html#abs94">2014</a> (highest court of Germany) states, that the <a href="/wiki/President_of_Germany" title="President of Germany">President of Germany</a> is not part of the executive: <dl><dd>German: "Der Bundespräsident lässt sich nach der Ausgestaltung seines Amtes nicht einer der drei klassischen Gewalten zuordnen".</dd> <dd>Translation: "The <a href="/wiki/President_of_Germany" title="President of Germany">Federal President</a> cannot classified to one of the <a href="/wiki/Trias_politica" class="mw-redirect" title="Trias politica">classical three powers</a> according to the Organisation of his office".</dd></dl></li> <li>But there is a dissent opinion by <a href="/wiki/Manfred_G._Schmidt" title="Manfred G. Schmidt">Manfred G. Schmidt</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="//google.com/books?id=09kHtqdLULYC&pg=PA68">2005</a>: <dl><dd>German: "An der Spitze der Exekutive in Deutschland stehen der Bundeskanzler als Regierungschef und der Bundespräsident als Staatsoberhaupt".</dd> <dd>Translation: "At the top of the executive in Germany are the <a href="/wiki/Chancellor_of_Germany" title="Chancellor of Germany">Federal Chancellor</a> as <a href="/wiki/Head_of_government" title="Head of government">head of government</a> and the <a href="/wiki/President_of_Germany" title="President of Germany">Federal President</a> as <a href="/wiki/Head_of_state" title="Head of state">head of state</a>".</dd></dl></li></ul></li></ol> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Habitator_terrae" title="User:Habitator terrae">Habitator terrae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Habitator_terrae" title="User talk:Habitator terrae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany#c-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-11T17:30:00.000Z-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z"></span>Now it is corrected by me. <a href="/wiki/User:Habitator_terrae" title="User:Habitator terrae">Habitator terrae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Habitator_terrae" title="User talk:Habitator terrae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany#c-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-11T17:30:00.000Z-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-11T17:30:00.000Z-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-11T17:30:00.000Z-Habitator_terrae-2020-04-10T23:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Habitator_terrae-2022-05-05T13:31:00.000Z-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany"></span>@<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mirrortemplar&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mirrortemplar (page does not exist)">Mirrortemplar</a>:</span> Why did you reverted it? <a href="/wiki/User:Habitator_terrae" title="User:Habitator terrae">Habitator terrae</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Habitator_terrae" title="User talk:Habitator terrae">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany#c-Habitator_terrae-2022-05-05T13:31:00.000Z-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:31, 5 May 2022 (UTC)</a> PS: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Entscheidungen/EN/2014/06/es20140610_2bve000209en.html#abs94">link</a> to the official translation of the verdict: "[T]he Federal President cannot be classified as belonging to any of the three traditional powers", which are widely known the executive, legislative, judicial powers.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Habitator_terrae-2022-05-05T13:31:00.000Z-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Habitator_terrae-2022-05-05T13:31:00.000Z-Federal_Convention_and_President_of_Germany"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany&oldid=1235013211">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Politics_of_Germany&oldid=1235013211</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_Germany_articles" title="Category:Template-Class Germany articles">Template-Class Germany articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_Germany_articles" title="Category:NA-importance Germany articles">NA-importance Germany articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Germany_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Germany articles">WikiProject Germany articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Template-Class_politics_articles" title="Category:Template-Class politics articles">Template-Class politics articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_politics_articles" title="Category:NA-importance politics articles">NA-importance politics articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Politics_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Politics articles">WikiProject Politics articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 17 July 2024, at 08:09<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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