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I ultimately decided not to due to the lack of prior history of edit warring that I could see, and thus that a stern edit warring warning was a more appropriate remedy at the time. <sub>signed, </sub><a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill"><i><b>Rosguill</b></i></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill" title="User talk:Rosguill"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TylerBurden#c-Rosguill-20241126195500-Things_that_are_block-worthy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rosguill-20241126195500-Things_that_are_block-worthy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126195500","author":"Rosguill","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rosguill-20241126195500-Things_that_are_block-worthy","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20241126202500-Rosguill-20241126195500"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rosguill-20241126195500-Things_that_are_block-worthy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TylerBurden-20241126202500-Rosguill-20241126195500"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Rosguill" title="User:Rosguill">Rosguill</a> I think that's fair, once you noticed it evidently didn't get the point across you acted quickly and decisively, so I can't think of a better way to handle that situation. I was about to reply to him that it's difficult to make something up that I didn't post in the first place, since he seems to be having trouble interpreting the layout of talk pages and thought I was the one who had issued the edit warring warning, but that it very clearly wasn't "made up", however you were quicker than me and dealt with the problem. Either way thank you for acting on that, I suspect you have not only prevented further disruption in a sensitive topic but also allowed editor's to use their time more productively than trying to explain things that were clearly not being understood. <a href="/wiki/User:TylerBurden" title="User:TylerBurden">TylerBurden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TylerBurden#c-TylerBurden-20241126202500-Rosguill-20241126195500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TylerBurden-20241126202500-Rosguill-20241126195500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126202500","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20241126202500-Rosguill-20241126195500","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TylerBurden-20241126202500-Rosguill-20241126195500"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mellk-20241201221800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Finland-20241201221800","replies":["c-Mellk-20241201221800-Finland"],"text":"Finland","linkableTitle":"Finland"}--><h2 id="Finland" data-mw-thread-id="h-Finland-20241201221800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Finland-20241201221800"></span><a href="/wiki/Finland" title="Finland">Finland</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Finland-20241201221800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TylerBurden&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Finland"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mellk-20241201221800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Finland-20241201221800","replies":["c-Mellk-20241201221800-Finland"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-TylerBurden-20241202195100-Mellk-20241201225600","timestamp":"20241202195100"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__6__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Mellk-20241201221800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Finland-20241201221800","replies":["c-Mellk-20241201221800-Finland"],"text":"Finland","linkableTitle":"Finland"}--></div></div></div> <p><i><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mellk-20241201221800-Finland"></span>A Concise History of Finland</i> says: "The work of conversion was not, however, a monopoly of the Catholic church. Russian Orthodoxy, having extended its influence into the region around lakes Ladoga and Onega was also active amongst the Häme" (p. 8). It is well known that <a href="/wiki/Tavastians" title="Tavastians">Tavastians</a> were in the crosshairs of two warring sides. <a href="/wiki/User:Mellk" title="User:Mellk">Mellk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mellk" title="User talk:Mellk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TylerBurden#c-Mellk-20241201221800-Finland" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mellk-20241201221800-Finland"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201221800","author":"Mellk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mellk-20241201221800-Finland","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20241201224200-Mellk-20241201221800"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mellk-20241201221800-Finland"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TylerBurden-20241201224200-Mellk-20241201221800"></span>Perhaps information better suited for <a href="/wiki/Religion_in_Finland" title="Religion in Finland">religion in Finland</a>, which already has a section on orthodoxy. <a href="/wiki/User:TylerBurden" title="User:TylerBurden">TylerBurden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TylerBurden#c-TylerBurden-20241201224200-Mellk-20241201221800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TylerBurden-20241201224200-Mellk-20241201221800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201224200","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20241201224200-Mellk-20241201221800","replies":["c-Mellk-20241201224600-TylerBurden-20241201224200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TylerBurden-20241201224200-Mellk-20241201221800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mellk-20241201224600-TylerBurden-20241201224200"></span>That article is about the modern Finnish state. It seems misleading to suggest that the tribes were only converted to the Catholic church, including by Danes. Today there exists a division among "Karelians", the Orthodox ones live within today's Russia while the other ones live within today's Finland (and are considered a subgroup) and have significant differences as a result of these conflicts. <a href="/wiki/User:Mellk" title="User:Mellk">Mellk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mellk" title="User talk:Mellk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TylerBurden#c-Mellk-20241201224600-TylerBurden-20241201224200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mellk-20241201224600-TylerBurden-20241201224200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201224600","author":"Mellk","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mellk-20241201224600-TylerBurden-20241201224200","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20241201225200-Mellk-20241201224600"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mellk-20241201224600-TylerBurden-20241201224200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TylerBurden-20241201225200-Mellk-20241201224600"></span>I don't think it's necessarily outside of that articles scope, but there is also already some coverage about orthodoxy in <a href="/wiki/History_of_Finland" title="History of Finland">history of Finland</a>, including this division of Karelians. <a href="/wiki/User:TylerBurden" title="User:TylerBurden">TylerBurden</a> (<a class="mw-selflink-fragment" href="#top">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TylerBurden#c-TylerBurden-20241201225200-Mellk-20241201224600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TylerBurden-20241201225200-Mellk-20241201224600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201225200","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20241201225200-Mellk-20241201224600","replies":["c-Mellk-20241201225600-TylerBurden-20241201225200"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TylerBurden-20241201225200-Mellk-20241201224600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mellk-20241201225600-TylerBurden-20241201225200"></span>It makes sense to add more detail to this in the history article, but is it not sufficient to include a brief mention in the history section of the Finland article e.g. "Some Tavastians were converted to Orthodoxy"? If not, then wouldn't the mention of Danish conversions be undue as well? <a href="/wiki/User:Mellk" title="User:Mellk">Mellk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mellk" title="User talk:Mellk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TylerBurden#c-Mellk-20241201225600-TylerBurden-20241201225200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mellk-20241201225600-TylerBurden-20241201225200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201225600","author":"Mellk","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Mellk-20241201225600-TylerBurden-20241201225200","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20241202195100-Mellk-20241201225600"]}}--></span><span 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