Gitarristen mit Arthrose in den Fingern/Handgelenken hier ?

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Arthrose in <br /> den Handgelenken/Fingern haben und wie es ihr Gitarrenspiel beeinflusst<br /> und/oder was sie dagegen tun ?</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189459" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189459/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <div class="samCodeUnit" data-position="post_below_container_1"> <div class="samItem"> <span style="float:right;"><img data-xf-init="sam-lazy" 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Uncle,<br /> <br /> in jedem Falle würde ich zum Arzt, am besten zum Orthopäden oder Rhematologen. Man kann mittlerweile mit einigen Medikamenten sowie Bewegungsübungen den Schmerzen und Unbeweglichkeit ganz gut entgegenwirken. <br /> <br /> Gitarrenspiel an sich scheint je nach Ausprägung und Prognose nicht allzugut mit der Erkrankung zusammenzupassen. <br /> <br /> Stefan weiß sicherlich auch noch etwas dazu zu schreiben.<br /> <br /> Gruß Oli</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189463" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189463/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="Anonymous" data-content="post-189464" id="js-post-189464" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/posts/189464/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-189464"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid=""> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="avatar avatar--m avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="0" style="background-color: #6666cc; color: #ececf9" title="Anonymous"> <span class="avatar-u0-m" role="img" aria-label="Anonymous">A</span> </span> </div> </div> <div class="message-userDetails"> <h4 class="message-name"><span class="username " dir="auto" data-user-id="0"><span itemprop="name">Anonymous</span></span></h4> <h5 class="userTitle message-userTitle" dir="auto" itemprop="jobTitle">Guest</h5> </div> <span class="message-userArrow"></span> </section> </div> <div class="message-cell message-cell--main" "> <div class="message-main js-quickEditTarget"> <header class="message-attribution message-attribution--split"> <ul class="message-attribution-main listInline "> <li class="u-concealed"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189464" rel="nofollow" itemprop="url"> <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2009-05-15T17:35:23+0200" data-time="1242401723" data-date-string="15 Mai 2009" data-time-string="17:35" title="15 Mai 2009 um 17:35" itemprop="datePublished">15 Mai 2009</time> </a> </li> </ul> <ul class="message-attribution-opposite message-attribution-opposite--list "> <li> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189464" class="message-attribution-gadget" data-xf-init="share-tooltip" data-href="/forum/posts/189464/share" aria-label="Teilen" rel="nofollow"> <i class="fa--xf fas fa-share-alt" aria-hidden="true"></i> </a> </li> <li> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189464" rel="nofollow"> #3 </a> </li> </ul> </header> <div class="message-content js-messageContent"> <div class="message-userContent lbContainer js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-189464" data-lb-caption-desc="Anonymous · 15 Mai 2009 um 17:35"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper">Hi,<br /> ich war schon bei einigen Ärzten. Erst bei dem letzten hat man festgestellt<br /> woher meine über Jahre schleichenden, aber immer schlimmer gewordenen<br /> Probleme mit den Händen herkommen "könnten".<br /> <br /> Ich habe mehrere nicht ertastbare Ganglien in den Handgelenken, die je <br /> nach Gelenkstellung Schmerzen auslösen können und zusätzlich eben die <br /> Arthrose. Was nun der ausschlaggebende Problemfaktor ist, ist nicht klar. <br /> Bisher sind auch die Behandlungsmethoden fehlgeschlagen.<br /> <br /> Mein Gitarrenspiel hat sich extrem verschlechtert und am Klavier ist es auch<br /> immer problematischer geworden. Hintergedanke für diesen Thread war nur<br /> ein Erfahrungsaustausch. Evtl. könnte ich mir da was nützliches herausziehen.<br /> <br /> Gruß,<br /> Rippchen</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189464" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189464/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="Anonymous" data-content="post-189467" id="js-post-189467" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/posts/189467/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-189467"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid=""> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="avatar avatar--m avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="0" style="background-color: #6666cc; color: #ececf9" title="Anonymous"> <span class="avatar-u0-m" role="img" aria-label="Anonymous">A</span> </span> </div> </div> <div class="message-userDetails"> <h4 class="message-name"><span class="username " dir="auto" data-user-id="0"><span itemprop="name">Anonymous</span></span></h4> <h5 class="userTitle message-userTitle" dir="auto" itemprop="jobTitle">Guest</h5> </div> <span class="message-userArrow"></span> </section> </div> <div class="message-cell message-cell--main" "> <div class="message-main js-quickEditTarget"> <header class="message-attribution message-attribution--split"> <ul class="message-attribution-main listInline "> <li class="u-concealed"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189467" rel="nofollow" itemprop="url"> <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2009-05-15T17:42:06+0200" data-time="1242402126" data-date-string="15 Mai 2009" data-time-string="17:42" title="15 Mai 2009 um 17:42" itemprop="datePublished">15 Mai 2009</time> </a> </li> </ul> <ul class="message-attribution-opposite message-attribution-opposite--list "> <li> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189467" class="message-attribution-gadget" data-xf-init="share-tooltip" data-href="/forum/posts/189467/share" aria-label="Teilen" rel="nofollow"> <i class="fa--xf fas fa-share-alt" aria-hidden="true"></i> </a> </li> <li> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189467" rel="nofollow"> #4 </a> </li> </ul> </header> <div class="message-content js-messageContent"> <div class="message-userContent lbContainer js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-189467" data-lb-caption-desc="Anonymous · 15 Mai 2009 um 17:42"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper">Also, ich habe zwar keine Arthrose in den Handgelenken, jedoch in den Knien.<br /> Mir helfen dagegen Tabletten die den Knorpelaufbau fördern ganz gut.<br /> Mit Ganglien habe ich allerdings keine Erfahrung<br /> P.S. 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Neben Schmerzen<br /> zufällig auch Verkrampfungen ? Das auf dem Avatar ist Bruce Campbell in <br /> dem Film Bubba Ho-Tep.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189469" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189469/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> 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class="bbWrapper">Ganz ehrlich: ich würde zu einem guten klassischen Homöopathen gehen. Da muß man aber ne ausführliche Anamnese machen (Gespräch zur detaillierten Aufnahme von Symptomen). Das taugt viel mehr als Chemie.<br /> Wenn Du nähere Hinweise haben möchtest, wende dich gern an mich.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189475" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189475/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" 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js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-189484" data-lb-caption-desc="W°° · 15 Mai 2009 um 19:55"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="UncleReaper":3ejvxqf1" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> UncleReaper":3ejvxqf1 schrieb: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Mich würde interessieren ob Gitarristen hier im Board sind die Arthrose in <br /> den Handgelenken/Fingern haben und wie es ihr Gitarrenspiel beeinflusst<br /> und/oder was sie dagegen tun ? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Ich glaube, es gibt da keine allgemein passenden Ratschläge.<br /> Mein Zahnarzt ist ein hervorragender Gitarrist. Er hat seit 20 Jahren Arthrose und schon alle Formen der Behandlung hinter sich. Sein Credo: Man muss damit leben. Ein Gitarrist aus der Gegend spielt seit Ewigkeiten in einer top 40 Band und hat genauso lange Rheuma. Seine Finger sind inzwischen ganz krumm. Hätte er nicht weiter gespielt, so die Aussage seines Arztes, wären sie heute ganz steif. <br /> Ich bekam vor 15 Jahren auch eine positive Rheuma Diagnose. Dann war Ewigkeiten nichts. Ich habe immer mal wieder Beschwerden, die darauf hin deuten und dann wird es wieder besser...Bin ich krank? Werde ich alt? Ist das vielleicht einfach mein aktuelles "Heute-Gefühl"? Ich habe mich entschieden, damit zu leben, so, wie ich auch mit anderen zunehmenden handycaps zu leben lernen muss. <br /> <br /> Ich wünsch Dir, dass Deine Beschwerden auf einem Level bleiben, das Du akzeptieren kannst. <br /> Gute Besserung und alles Gute!</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189484" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189484/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="Anonymous" data-content="post-189492" id="js-post-189492" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/posts/189492/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-189492"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid=""> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="avatar avatar--m avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="0" style="background-color: #6666cc; color: #ececf9" title="Anonymous"> <span class="avatar-u0-m" role="img" aria-label="Anonymous">A</span> </span> </div> </div> <div class="message-userDetails"> <h4 class="message-name"><span class="username " dir="auto" data-user-id="0"><span itemprop="name">Anonymous</span></span></h4> <h5 class="userTitle message-userTitle" dir="auto" itemprop="jobTitle">Guest</h5> </div> <span class="message-userArrow"></span> </section> </div> <div class="message-cell message-cell--main" "> <div class="message-main js-quickEditTarget"> <header class="message-attribution message-attribution--split"> <ul class="message-attribution-main listInline "> <li class="u-concealed"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189492" rel="nofollow" itemprop="url"> <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2009-05-15T20:40:13+0200" data-time="1242412813" data-date-string="15 Mai 2009" data-time-string="20:40" title="15 Mai 2009 um 20:40" itemprop="datePublished">15 Mai 2009</time> </a> </li> </ul> <ul class="message-attribution-opposite message-attribution-opposite--list "> <li> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189492" class="message-attribution-gadget" data-xf-init="share-tooltip" data-href="/forum/posts/189492/share" aria-label="Teilen" rel="nofollow"> <i class="fa--xf fas fa-share-alt" aria-hidden="true"></i> </a> </li> <li> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189492" rel="nofollow"> #9 </a> </li> </ul> </header> <div class="message-content js-messageContent"> <div class="message-userContent lbContainer js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-189492" data-lb-caption-desc="Anonymous · 15 Mai 2009 um 20:40"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ganz ehrlich: ich würde zu einem guten klassischen Homöopathen gehen. Da muß man aber ne ausführliche Anamnese machen (Gespräch zur detaillierten Aufnahme von Symptomen). Das taugt viel mehr als Chemie. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Nur, um noch was beizutragen: Einen "guten, klassischen Homöopathen" <br /> gibt es in der Form eigentlich nicht.<br /> Da an der Homöopathie nichts klassisch ist.<br /> Außerdem basiert Homoöpathie darauf, das Wasser ein Gedächtnis hat, weshalb sich ein Wirkstoff angeblich auch dann noch durchsetzenkann, wenn man einen Tropfen in 10^78 Teilchen verdünnt.<br /> Und dass soll dann sogar noch wirken.<br /> Außerdem basiert ein Großteil der Behandlung darauf, dass man "Ähnliches mit Ähnlichem" bekämpft, und deshalb Wirkstoffe nimmt, die bei einem gesunden Menschen die Symptome die es zu bekämpfen gilt auslöst.<br /> Ich persönlich würde deshalb die Homöopathie als "Aberglauben" einstufen, da sie vor allem vom Placebo-Effekt lebt.<br /> ALLEDINGS gibt es eine Potenzierung, bei der tatsächlich noch Wirkstoffe im einzunehmendem Mittel gibt, weshalb diese noch als Medizin einzustufen sind. (Verdünnung auf bis zu 2 1/2 Schnapsgläser).<br /> Daher würde ich empfehlen, zu einem Schulmediziner zu gehen, am besten zu einem Spezialisten für die Probleme, die man hat.<br /> Wenn man keinen Spezialisten kennt, kann der Besuch eines Allgemeinmediziners hilfreich seien, der einen beraten und einen Spezialisten empfehlen kann.<br /> Das wiederum ist nur meine Meinung und wenn du anderer Ansicht bist, so respektiere ich das.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a 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bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ganz ehrlich: ich würde zu einem guten klassischen Homöopathen gehen. Da muß man aber ne ausführliche Anamnese machen (Gespräch zur detaillierten Aufnahme von Symptomen). Das taugt viel mehr als Chemie. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Nur, um noch was beizutragen: Einen "guten, klassischen Homöopathen" <br /> gibt es in der Form eigentlich nicht.<br /> Da an der Homöopathie nichts klassisch ist.<br /> Außerdem basiert Homoöpathie darauf, das Wasser ein Gedächtnis hat, weshalb sich ein Wirkstoff angeblich auch dann noch durchsetzenkann, wenn man einen Tropfen in 10^78 Teilchen verdünnt.<br /> Und dass soll dann sogar noch wirken.<br /> Außerdem basiert ein Großteil der Behandlung darauf, dass man "Ähnliches mit Ähnlichem" bekämpft, und deshalb Wirkstoffe nimmt, die bei einem gesunden Menschen die Symptome die es zu bekämpfen gilt auslöst.<br /> Ich persönlich würde deshalb die Homöopathie als "Aberglauben" einstufen, da sie vor allem vom Placebo-Effekt lebt.<br /> ALLEDINGS gibt es eine Potenzierung, bei der tatsächlich noch Wirkstoffe im einzunehmendem Mittel gibt, weshalb diese noch als Medizin einzustufen sind. (Verdünnung auf bis zu 2 1/2 Schnapsgläser).<br /> Daher würde ich empfehlen, zu einem Schulmediziner zu gehen, am besten zu einem Spezialisten für die Probleme, die man hat.<br /> Wenn man keinen Spezialisten kennt, kann der Besuch eines Allgemeinmediziners hilfreich seien, der einen beraten und einen Spezialisten empfehlen kann.<br /> Das wiederum ist nur meine Meinung und wenn du anderer Ansicht bist, so respektiere ich das. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> Aus eigener positiver Erfahrung(aber nicht bei Arthrose) <br /> und weil meine Süße bei einerHomöopathin arbeitet kann ich dir sagen: <br /> <br /> Homöopathie kann helfen - bei allen möglichen Beschwerden.<br /> <br /> Aber ich würde mir immer einen Homöopathen suchen der<br /> auch zugleich z.B. Hausartz ist. Dann ist gewährleistet das du<br /> keinem "Quacksalber" aufsitz und der Artz das Problem aus<br /> beiden Perspektiven beleuchtet<br /> <br /> also als (Haus)Artz und Homöopath<br /> <br /> Gruß</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189553" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189553/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar 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js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-189559" data-lb-caption-desc="therealmf · 16 Mai 2009 um 13:51"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="ibanezrg":k4ty25l3" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> ibanezrg":k4ty25l3 schrieb: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Nur, um noch was beizutragen: Einen "guten, klassischen Homöopathen" <br /> gibt es in der Form eigentlich nicht.<br /> Da an der Homöopathie nichts klassisch ist. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Sorry, aber das ist Bullshit. Ich bin selbst Vorstandsmitglied der Deutschen Gesellschaft für miasmatische Homöopathie, und glaub mir: ich weiß wovon ich rede. Es gibt sehr wohl eine "klassische" Homöopathie. Das ist die die sich an den Grundregeln von Samuel Hahnemann, dem Begründer der Homöopathie orientiert und Weiterführungen in wissenschaftlich dokumentierter Form akzeptiert, nicht aber "Entgleisungen" wie das Auspendeln von Mitteln. Wenn Du mehr darüber lesen möchtest: <a href="http://www.dgmh.org" target="_blank" class="link link--external" data-proxy-href="/forum/proxy.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dgmh.org&hash=8ac2aab345797794983abc670a1b72c0" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">www.dgmh.org</a><br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Außerdem basiert Homoöpathie darauf, das Wasser ein Gedächtnis hat, weshalb sich ein Wirkstoff angeblich auch dann noch durchsetzenkann, wenn man einen Tropfen in 10^78 Teilchen verdünnt.<br /> Und dass soll dann sogar noch wirken. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Homöopathie hat nichts mit Wasser zu tun. Die Homöopathie geht davon aus, daß es Wirksamkeit auch unterhalb dessen gibt, was wir derzeit als stoffliche Ebene messen und erfassen können. Dieser Grundgedanke ist zugleich der Hauptkritikpunkt der Quantenphysik an der Schulmedizin. Fortgeschrittene Schulmediziner erkennen ihn mittlerweile an.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Außerdem basiert ein Großteil der Behandlung darauf, dass man "Ähnliches mit Ähnlichem" bekämpft, und deshalb Wirkstoffe nimmt, die bei einem gesunden Menschen die Symptome die es zu bekämpfen gilt auslöst. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Dieses Prinzip findet auch in der Schulmedizin Anwendung. Impfstoffe etwa "funktionieren" (wenn sie es denn tun...) nach genau dem gleichen Muster: der Körper wird angeregt, auf eine Substanz in einer bestimmten Weise zu reagieren.<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ich persönlich würde deshalb die Homöopathie als "Aberglauben" einstufen, da sie vor allem vom Placebo-Effekt lebt. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Jeder kann glauben was er will. Aber bei der erfolgreichen homöopathischen Behandlung etwa von Pferden scheidet der Placebo-Effekt aus. Und es gibt genügend dokumentierte solche Fälle.<br /> <br /> Man mag von Homöopathie halten, was man will - aber wenn man von ihr keine Ahnung hat, bitte vor allem eins: den Mund :dagegen:</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189559" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189559/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="Anonymous" data-content="post-189562" id="js-post-189562" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/posts/189562/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-189562"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid=""> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="avatar avatar--m avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="0" style="background-color: #6666cc; color: #ececf9" title="Anonymous"> <span class="avatar-u0-m" role="img" aria-label="Anonymous">A</span> </span> </div> </div> <div class="message-userDetails"> <h4 class="message-name"><span class="username " dir="auto" data-user-id="0"><span itemprop="name">Anonymous</span></span></h4> <h5 class="userTitle message-userTitle" dir="auto" itemprop="jobTitle">Guest</h5> </div> <span class="message-userArrow"></span> </section> </div> <div class="message-cell message-cell--main" "> <div class="message-main js-quickEditTarget"> <header class="message-attribution message-attribution--split"> <ul class="message-attribution-main listInline "> <li class="u-concealed"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189562" rel="nofollow" itemprop="url"> <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2009-05-16T15:16:45+0200" data-time="1242479805" data-date-string="16 Mai 2009" data-time-string="15:16" title="16 Mai 2009 um 15:16" itemprop="datePublished">16 Mai 2009</time> </a> </li> </ul> <ul class="message-attribution-opposite message-attribution-opposite--list "> <li> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189562" class="message-attribution-gadget" data-xf-init="share-tooltip" data-href="/forum/posts/189562/share" aria-label="Teilen" rel="nofollow"> <i class="fa--xf fas fa-share-alt" aria-hidden="true"></i> </a> </li> <li> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/post-189562" rel="nofollow"> #12 </a> </li> </ul> </header> <div class="message-content js-messageContent"> <div class="message-userContent lbContainer js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-189562" data-lb-caption-desc="Anonymous · 16 Mai 2009 um 15:16"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper">Hi...<br /> <br /> Homöopathie hätte ich jetzt auch vorgeschlagen.<br /> Vielleicht wäre ein Heilpraktiker auch eine Lösung? <br /> <br /> Ja, das chemische Zeug... 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Was nun der ausschlaggebende Problemfaktor ist, ist nicht klar. <br /> Bisher sind auch die Behandlungsmethoden fehlgeschlagen. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Es wäre noch hilfreich zu erfahren, welche Behandlungsmethoden bisher versucht wurden.<br /> Außerdem auch, auf welchen Sehnen die nicht tastbaren Ganglien sitzen (ich nehme an, per MRT diagnostiziert).</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a 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role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Vielleicht sollte man aber doch lieber Fachleute ranlassen.<br /> Und nicht rumspekulieren.<br /> Vielleicht sollten Therapien eine evidenzbasierte Datenlage aufweisen können.<br /> Vielleicht sollten Therapien sich an Leitlinien orientieren, die regelmäßig bei Konsensuskonferenzen aufgrund von Therapierfolgen oder -mißerfolgen aktualisiert werden.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="gitarrero100":2gb3po93" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> gitarrero100":2gb3po93 schrieb: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Ja, das chemische Zeug... Ich weis noch, auf nem Lehrgang hatten wir auch einen Arzt als Dozent zu Besuch, der hat uns gesagt, dass die Medikamente lediglich die Symptome bekämpfen nicht die Ursache.<br /> <br /> Was die Ursache für diese Arthrose ist, kann ich dir nicht sagen.<br /> <br /> Mfg Gitarrero100 </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Je länger der Thread, desto abgedrehter die Antworten.<br /> <br /> ... no comment...</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a 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eine evidenzbasierte Datenlage aufweisen können.<br /> Vielleicht sollten Therapien sich an Leitlinien orientieren, die regelmäßig bei Konsensuskonferenzen aufgrund von Therapierfolgen oder- mißerfolgen aktualisiert werden.<br /> Je länger der Thread, desto abgedrehter die Antworten. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote>... no comment... :winke: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Ich weiß, geht zu weit, sorry. <br /> Ich lasse es jetzt auch.<br /> Aber so wie sich der (eigentlich wichtige) Thread entwickelt, könnten wir auch ein Voting draus machen.<br /> Dein Posting diesbezüglich gehört mit zum Besten, (weil Lebensnahesten), was ich diesbezüglich hier gelesen habe.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer 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<div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Die Homöopathie geht davon aus, daß es Wirksamkeit auch unterhalb dessen gibt, was wir derzeit als stoffliche Ebene messen und erfassen können. Dieser Grundgedanke ist zugleich der Hauptkritikpunkt der Quantenphysik an der Schulmedizin. Fortgeschrittene Schulmediziner erkennen ihn mittlerweile an.<br /> Man mag von Homöopathie halten, was man will - aber wenn man von ihr keine Ahnung hat, bitte vor allem eins: den Mund </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Ich denke, dass gilt auch für Quantenphysik ... wer bitte ist "die Quantenphysik"? Rein thematisch hat die so ziemlich gar nichts mit lebenden Körpern zu tun. Sondern mit dem Verhalten von Elementarteilchen auf submikroskopischer Ebene für alles größere gilt die Korrespondenztheorie, die besagt, dass sich alle Teilchen auf submikroskopischer Ebene entsprechend den Gesetzen der klassischen Mechanik Verhalten.<br /> <br /> Richard P. Feynman, der Begründer der Quantenelektrodynamik, zumindest lehnt jede Form der nicht (im Sinne der Physik) empirischen Wissenschaft ab. 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Es ist langwierig aber ich <br /> habe über die nächsten Wochen verteilt immer wieder Termine um von den<br /> Händen bis zum Rücken hin die "Ursache<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite23" alt="(n)" title="Thumbs down (n)" loading="lazy" data-shortname="(n)" />" zu finden und zu behandeln. <br /> Wenn das alles nichts nützt, werde ich mich nach "Alternativen" umsehen.<br /> <br /> Mein Gitarrenspiel hat sich extrem verschlechtert, meine Hand verkrampft <br /> bis zur Schulter hoch wenn ich eine Weile versuche auf gleichbleibendem <br /> Tempo ein paar Abschläge zu spielen. <br /> <br /> Mir ging es hier doch nur um einen Erfahrungsaustausch. Vielleicht haben <br /> welche ähnliche Symptome und haben ihre Art zu spielen verändert oder<br /> haben sich ander arrangiert ? Vielleicht auch nicht.. wer weiß das schon ? <br /> Deswegen habe ich den Thread hier eröffnet.<br /> <br /> Also vielen Dank für die hilfreichen PMs und Beiträge, aber 'ne Diskussion<br /> über Homöopathie kann man sicherlich auch in anderen Bereichen führen.<br /> Auch wenn mein Beitrag evtl. etwas angepisst rüberkommt, das bin ich nicht.<br /> Den Vorschlag mit der Homöopathie nehme ich übrigens auch gerne an, ich bin<br /> da relativ offen, aber vor den alternativen Behandlungsmöglichkeiten möchte ich <br /> erst auch all das durch haben was mir die Ärzte vorschlagen und sinnvoll erscheint.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div 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Wenn du so etwas gewollt hättest, dann bestimmt nicht von einem Gitarrenforum. Ich wünsche dir, dass du deine Beschwerden (wie auch immer) eindämmen kannst und dich mit den verbliebenen Einschränkungen gitarristisch arrangieren kannst.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189575" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189575/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="Anonymous" data-content="post-189576" id="js-post-189576" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/posts/189576/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.guitarworld.de/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-189576"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid=""> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <span class="avatar avatar--m avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="0" style="background-color: #6666cc; 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Vitamin C und Vitamin E (1000 Einheiten) können helfen, die Arthrose erträglich zu machen.<br /> (Bei Krämpfen kann es überdies helfen, auch noch Magnesium zu nehmen)<br /> <br /> 2. Wenn Krämpfe vorkommen, besteht die Möglichkeit, dass es Neurologische Probleme gibt, die von der Arthrose überschattet werden, die die Krämpfe auslösen.<br /> Sollte man also auch mal untersuchen lassen.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/forum/threads/gitarristen-mit-arthrose-in-den-fingern-handgelenken-hier.20411/reply?quote=189580" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Antworte, indem du diesen Beitrag zitierst" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/forum/posts/189580/quote">Zitieren</a> </div> </div> <div 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mal Deine Bewegungsabläufe genau an, und guck, ob Du nicht maches verspannungsfreier gestalten kannst.<br /> Da gibt es so einige Stellen, an denen man noch ein Quentchen Entspannung finden kann.<br /> Bei mir ist es mittlerweile so weit, daß ich meine Hände beim Gitarrenspielen lockern und entspannen kann, wenn ich sie voher kurzfristig überlastet habe, beim Taschentragen o.Ä.<br /> Bei schlimmen Überlastungszuständen, wie jetzt gerade beim Umzug (die Waschmaschine läßt grüßen) kann ich zumindest kontrolliert etwas üben, ohne daß sich die Dinge verschlimmern.<br /> <br /> Ein paar Tips sind z.B. das Plektrum nur beim Berühren der Saite zum Anschlag fest greifen, ansonsten ganz locker zwischen den Fingern ruhen lassen.<br /> <br /> Anschlagbewegungen aus dem Arm kommen lassen, am besten aus dem Ellenbogen.<br /> <br /> Viele Verspannungen in den Händen kommen aus den Schultern.<br /> Diese unbedingt entspannt lassen.<br /> <br /> In der linken Hand den Daumen sehr sparsam einsetzen,<br 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Abschläge zu spielen. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Vielleicht läßt sich ja noch was an Deiner Technik drehen.<br /> Dünne Saiten und eine 1a Saitenlage hast Du bestimmt schon. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Zum Vergrößern anklicken....</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Ich kenne die Problematik von Gitarristen mit MS, mit anderen Nevenleiden mit Rheuma und auch mit Arthrose. Die "orthopädische" Gitarrenjustage kann hier noch einiges möglich machen. Dabei wird das Instrument in allen Belangen auf die Kräfte und (eingeschränkten) Möglichkeiten des Musikers eingestellt. Dafür braucht es aber einen sehr guten und sensiblen Gitarrenbauer. <br /> Es gibt auch in der Medizin Spezialisten, die sich auf spezifische Gitarristen-Leiden konzentrieren und weiß von ein paar Musikern in der Gegend, die bei solchen Leuten Vorstellig waren. 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