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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Physics" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Physics</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Physics</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">physics articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z"><span id="Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z"></span>Merge with <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">Template:Cite journal</a>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Merge with Template:Cite journal?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike_Peel-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?"></span>I'm a bit confused as to why this template exists - is it not better to use <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">Template:Cite journal</a>, with <a href="/wiki/Template:Arxiv" title="Template:Arxiv">Template:Arxiv</a> in the ID field? <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Mike_Peel-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike_Peel-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike_Peel-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z"></span>I imagine so that one can cite papers that exist on the arxiv but have not (yet) appeared in journals. —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2006-08-24T12:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mike_Peel-2006-09-16T07:55:00.000Z-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z"></span>My point was that it is easy to do something like: <ul><li><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFMarathe1994" class="citation journal cs1">Marathe, Madhav V. (1994). "Geometry based heuristics for unit disk graphs". <a href="/wiki/ArXiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ArXiv (identifier)">arXiv</a>:<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/abs/math.CO/9409226">math.CO/9409226</a>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=Geometry+based+heuristics+for+unit+disk+graphs&rft.date=1994&rft.aulast=Marathe&rft.aufirst=Madhav+V.&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATemplate+talk%3ACite+arXiv" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Cite journal requires <code class="cs1-code">|journal=</code> (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#missing_periodical" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span>; <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Unknown parameter <code class="cs1-code">|coauthors=</code> ignored (<code class="cs1-code">|author=</code> suggested) (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#parameter_ignored_suggest" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span></li></ul></dd> <dd>... which cites arXiv on its own, with no reference to a journal location, while leaving the option open to add in a full journal reference in later. I've agreed with <a href="/wiki/User:Hillman" title="User:Hillman">User:Hillman</a> (the creator of this template) to not do anything with this for at least a few months, so that he can sort through other problems he's having with Wikipedia first. <a href="/wiki/User:Mike_Peel" title="User:Mike Peel">Mike Peel</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Mike_Peel-2006-09-16T07:55:00.000Z-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mike_Peel-2006-09-16T07:55:00.000Z-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mike_Peel-2006-09-16T07:55:00.000Z-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T14:57:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2006-09-16T07:55:00.000Z"></span>That does look better. I didn't know about that id trick — maybe it deserves more prominent mention earlier on this talk page? —<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T14:57:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2006-09-16T07:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T14:57:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2006-09-16T07:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T14:57:00.000Z-Mike_Peel-2006-09-16T07:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Omegatron-2007-04-24T02:49:00.000Z-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?"></span> Merge with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_paper" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite paper">cite paper</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? — <a href="/wiki/User:Omegatron" title="User:Omegatron">Omegatron</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Omegatron-2007-04-24T02:49:00.000Z-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Omegatron-2007-04-24T02:49:00.000Z-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Omegatron-2007-04-24T02:49:00.000Z-Merge_with_Template:Cite_journal?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Show_as_arxiv_cite;_no_version?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Show_as_arxiv_cite;_no_version?-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z"><span id="Show_as_arxiv_cite.3B_no_version.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Show_as_arxiv_cite;_no_version?-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z"></span>Show as arxiv cite; no version?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Show_as_arxiv_cite;_no_version?-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Show as arxiv cite; no version?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z-Show_as_arxiv_cite;_no_version?"></span>I'd like it if the cite arxiv template looked something like </p> <ul><li>Marathe, Madhav V., Breu, Heinz, Hunt, Harry B., III, Ravi, S. S., and Rosenkrantz, Daniel J. (1994). "Geometry based heuristics for unit disk graphs". <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/">arXiv:math.CO/9409226</a>.</li></ul> <p>instead of </p> <ul><li>Marathe, Madhav V., Breu, Heinz, Hunt, Harry B., III, Ravi, S. S., and Rosenkrantz, Daniel J. (1994). "<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/math.CO/9409226">Geometry based heuristics for unit disk graphs</a>." .</li></ul> <p>For one thing, the doubled period looks bad. For a second, unless I hover over the link I can't tell the first kind of cite apart from a random web page anywhere else. We include publishers of other kinds of sources; why should we slight the arxiv in this way? </p><p>On an unrelated issue, it's not obvious how or why to fill in the "version =" part of the template for a paper that doesn't have multiple versions. Omitting it doesn't work correctly. The cite above was generated with a blank version. The examples on this page seem to indicate that the version should be filled in with the upload date, but arxiv uses a different numbering scheme in which versions are like "v1", "v2", etc. The year is already visible elsewhere, but if you want a date as well, why not call it a date? And why not allow the "16 Dec 2005" style format appearing on arxiv pages for easier copy and pasting? </p><p>—<a href="/wiki/User:David_Eppstein" title="User:David Eppstein">David Eppstein</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z-Show_as_arxiv_cite;_no_version?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z-Show_as_arxiv_cite;_no_version?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-David_Eppstein-2006-09-16T06:48:00.000Z-Show_as_arxiv_cite;_no_version?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Modernisation" data-mw-thread-id="h-Modernisation-2009-02-17T02:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Modernisation-2009-02-17T02:44:00.000Z"></span>Modernisation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Modernisation-2009-02-17T02:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Modernisation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smith609-2009-02-17T02:44:00.000Z-Modernisation"></span>Hi, </p><p>I've upgraded the template so it uses <a href="/wiki/Template:Citation/core" title="Template:Citation/core">Template:Citation/core</a>. I've been careful to retain current functionality; in addition, I've integrated the template with <a href="/wiki/User:Citation_bot" title="User:Citation bot">User:Citation bot</a>. Therefore it is now only necessary to add an <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|eprint=</code> parameter to the template, and you can sit back and watch as the bot automatically fills in the rest for you. </p><p>Hope that doesn't cause any problems! </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Smith609" title="User:Smith609">Martin</a> <b><small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Smith609" title="User:Smith609">Smith609</a> – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smith609" title="User talk:Smith609">Talk</a>)</small></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Smith609-2009-02-17T02:44:00.000Z-Modernisation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smith609-2009-02-17T02:44:00.000Z-Modernisation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smith609-2009-02-17T02:44:00.000Z-Modernisation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Multiple_author_input" data-mw-thread-id="h-Multiple_author_input-2009-04-13T19:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Multiple_author_input-2009-04-13T19:53:00.000Z"></span>Multiple author input<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Multiple_author_input-2009-04-13T19:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Multiple author input"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Smith609-2009-04-13T19:53:00.000Z-Multiple_author_input"></span>In other citation formats, there is a preference for using a separate parameter for each author. I am aware of two main benefits: firstly, metadata is more readily extracted and more usefully presented; secondly; there is improved compatability with the Harvard style of inline referencing. The template already supports this behaviour, and I consider it non-controversial to update the template documentation accordingly. Please dissent below! <a href="/wiki/User:Smith609" title="User:Smith609">Martin</a> <b><small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Smith609" title="User:Smith609">Smith609</a> – <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Smith609" title="User talk:Smith609">Talk</a>)</small></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Smith609-2009-04-13T19:53:00.000Z-Multiple_author_input" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Smith609-2009-04-13T19:53:00.000Z-Multiple_author_input"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Smith609-2009-04-13T19:53:00.000Z-Multiple_author_input"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Capitalised_documentation_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Capitalised_documentation_page-2009-10-21T06:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Capitalised_documentation_page-2009-10-21T06:37:00.000Z"></span>Capitalised documentation page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Capitalised_documentation_page-2009-10-21T06:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Capitalised documentation page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Debresser-2009-10-21T06:37:00.000Z-Capitalised_documentation_page"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_web#Upper_case_form_of_template_name" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Cite web">Template_talk:Cite_web#Upper_case_form_of_template_name</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Debresser" title="User:Debresser">Debresser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Debresser" title="User talk:Debresser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Debresser-2009-10-21T06:37:00.000Z-Capitalised_documentation_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Debresser-2009-10-21T06:37:00.000Z-Capitalised_documentation_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Debresser-2009-10-21T06:37:00.000Z-Capitalised_documentation_page"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="arXiv_is_good" data-mw-thread-id="h-arXiv_is_good-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-arXiv_is_good-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z"></span>arXiv is good<span data-mw-comment-end="h-arXiv_is_good-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: arXiv is good"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z-arXiv_is_good"></span>I commented out the suggestion that citations be migrated to cite journal and the published journal, to "help the bots", firstly that's not a good reason, secondly there is or was a bot doing the actual moving, which suggests that it can deal with either format, thirdly arXiv is freely accessible, whereas many journals charge, WP prefers the free link, and fourthly if there is any difference between the journal version and the <a href="/wiki/Ar%CE%A7iv" class="mw-redirect" title="ArΧiv">arΧiv</a> version, we are citing the wrong source. <i><a href="/wiki/User:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User:Rich Farmbrough">Rich</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User talk:Rich Farmbrough">Farmbrough</a></i>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Rich_Farmbrough-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z-arXiv_is_good" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z-arXiv_is_good"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z-arXiv_is_good"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2009-12-04T14:56:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z"></span>I reverted your commenting, but clarified what was meant by "switch to cite journal". <a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">ταλκ</a></sup><sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">κοντριβς</a></sub> – <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">WP Physics</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-2009-12-04T14:56:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2009-12-04T14:56:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2009-12-04T14:56:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2009-12-04T14:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Boud-2011-08-12T19:38:00.000Z-Headbomb-2009-12-04T14:56:00.000Z"></span>We should definitely encourage keeping the arXiv link in place after formal peer-review acceptance. If authors make important corrections that are only present in the non-open-access version, then they take the risk that they will get cited only for their erroneous, open-access version. Scientists (1) in poor countries and/or (2) outside of a specialty (e.g. astronomy vs particle physics vs a field of mathematics) and/or (3) in a not-so-poor country institution with a low budget tend not to make the special/costly effort required to get non-open-access articles.</dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd>i've tried to clarify the wording a little - IMHO we need to be clear that we recommend retaining the arXiv link. Even for old articles in journals that are open-access-for-old-articles, there is still a higher chance of long-term perennity (e.g. 50 years? 100 years?) in arXiv than in individual journals - arXiv is efficient and has dozens of mirrors, while at least some journals claim to delete the original LaTeX source after a short period (2 years or so?), or do not even store it themselves, leaving that to the publisher. In 20 years' time, converting arXiv sources (LaTeX + postscript) to some future format would probably be cleaner than converting html (with files all over the place) to that future format. <a href="/wiki/User:Boud" title="User:Boud">Boud</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Boud" title="User talk:Boud">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Boud-2011-08-12T19:38:00.000Z-Headbomb-2009-12-04T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Boud-2011-08-12T19:38:00.000Z-Headbomb-2009-12-04T14:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Boud-2011-08-12T19:38:00.000Z-Headbomb-2009-12-04T14:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Please_add_page_and_pages_parameters" data-mw-thread-id="h-Please_add_page_and_pages_parameters-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Please_add_page_and_pages_parameters-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z"></span>Please add page and pages parameters<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Please_add_page_and_pages_parameters-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Please add page and pages parameters"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z-Please_add_page_and_pages_parameters"></span>So we can cite to pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Paradoctor" title="User:Paradoctor">Paradoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradoctor" title="User talk:Paradoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z-Please_add_page_and_pages_parameters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z-Please_add_page_and_pages_parameters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z-Please_add_page_and_pages_parameters"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2010-01-29T01:13:00.000Z-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z"></span>I am against this for arxivs. If you need to reference a particular page, it is better to write <span class="example" style="font-family: Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', serif; color: var(--color-content-added, #006400);">See page 10 in {{cite arxiv|...}}</span>. <a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">ταλκ</a></sup><sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">κοντριβς</a></sub> – <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">WP Physics</a>} <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-2010-01-29T01:13:00.000Z-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2010-01-29T01:13:00.000Z-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2010-01-29T01:13:00.000Z-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:39:00.000Z-Headbomb-2010-01-29T01:13:00.000Z"></span>Maybe, but for a single use it needlessly clutters up the article. There is no need to argue, I'm asking for optional behavior, not a default. If you don't like it, and don't want to do it, I have no problem with that. Just means I'll have to do the work myself. Is there a reason I shouldn't? <a href="/wiki/User:Paradoctor" title="User:Paradoctor">Paradoctor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Paradoctor" title="User talk:Paradoctor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:39:00.000Z-Headbomb-2010-01-29T01:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:39, 29 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:39:00.000Z-Headbomb-2010-01-29T01:13:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paradoctor-2010-01-29T01:39:00.000Z-Headbomb-2010-01-29T01:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="RFC_on_identifiers" data-mw-thread-id="h-RFC_on_identifiers-2011-08-15T16:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-RFC_on_identifiers-2011-08-15T16:03:00.000Z"></span>RFC on identifiers<span data-mw-comment-end="h-RFC_on_identifiers-2011-08-15T16:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: RFC on identifiers"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2011-08-15T16:03:00.000Z-RFC_on_identifiers"></span>There is an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RFC_on_the_bot-addition_of_identifier_links_to_citations" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)">RFC on the addition of identifier links to citations by bots</a>. Please comment. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">contribs</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">physics</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">books</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-2011-08-15T16:03:00.000Z-RFC_on_identifiers" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:03, 15 August 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2011-08-15T16:03:00.000Z-RFC_on_identifiers"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2011-08-15T16:03:00.000Z-RFC_on_identifiers"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="class_parameter" data-mw-thread-id="h-class_parameter-2011-12-15T13:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-class_parameter-2011-12-15T13:38:00.000Z"></span>class parameter<span data-mw-comment-end="h-class_parameter-2011-12-15T13:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: class parameter"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Peter_Chastain-2011-12-15T13:38:00.000Z-class_parameter"></span>In <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SAFARI_imaging_spectrometer&oldid=462491852">this version of a Wikipedia article</a> the <b>class</b> parameter of this template is used. The resulting reference (number 1) has an external link to the desired source material, followed by a generic second external link to the part of the archive that is associated with the class. This second link does not seem very useful to me. The documentation for this template states that the class parameter is optional and should be used only with new-style eprint identifiers that do not include the class. Is there some reason why the class parameter should be used in that situation? Can we add some usage guidance to the documentation? Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:Peter_Chastain" title="User:Peter Chastain">Peter Chastain</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Peter_Chastain" title="User talk:Peter Chastain">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Peter_Chastain-2011-12-15T13:38:00.000Z-class_parameter" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:38, 15 December 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Peter_Chastain-2011-12-15T13:38:00.000Z-class_parameter"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Peter_Chastain-2011-12-15T13:38:00.000Z-class_parameter"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="See_also" data-mw-thread-id="h-See_also-2012-02-27T19:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-See_also-2012-02-27T19:46:00.000Z"></span>See also<span data-mw-comment-end="h-See_also-2012-02-27T19:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: See also"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadget850-2012-02-27T19:46:00.000Z-See_also"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_doi" title="Template:Cite doi">cite doi</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> are now in the navbox. ---<i><b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850" title="User:Gadget850"><span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span></a><span style="color:darkblue"> </span></b></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gadget850" title="User talk:Gadget850"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Gadget850-2012-02-27T19:46:00.000Z-See_also" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadget850-2012-02-27T19:46:00.000Z-See_also"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadget850-2012-02-27T19:46:00.000Z-See_also"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Status" data-mw-thread-id="h-Status-2012-05-21T00:21:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Status-2012-05-21T00:21:00.000Z"></span>Status<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Status-2012-05-21T00:21:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Status"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span class="nowrap"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gadget850-2012-05-21T00:21:00.000Z-Status"></span>{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_Style_1" title="Template:Citation Style 1">Citation Style 1</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> has been edited to show that this template is no longer bot-filled. What is the status? ---<i><b>— <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850" title="User:Gadget850"><span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span></a><span style="color:darkblue"> </span></b></i><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gadget850" title="User talk:Gadget850"><i>talk</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Gadget850-2012-05-21T00:21:00.000Z-Status" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:21, 21 May 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gadget850-2012-05-21T00:21:00.000Z-Status"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gadget850-2012-05-21T00:21:00.000Z-Status"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Different_behaviour_would_be_much_more_useful" data-mw-thread-id="h-Different_behaviour_would_be_much_more_useful-2012-07-24T16:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Different_behaviour_would_be_much_more_useful-2012-07-24T16:07:00.000Z"></span>Different behaviour would be much more useful<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Different_behaviour_would_be_much_more_useful-2012-07-24T16:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Different behaviour would be much more useful"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phil_Boswell-2012-07-24T16:07:00.000Z-Different_behaviour_would_be_much_more_useful"></span>It would be far more useful if <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arxiv" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite arxiv">cite arxiv</a>}}</code> worked in the same fashion as <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_doi" title="Template:Cite doi">cite doi</a>}}</code> and <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_pmid" title="Template:Cite pmid">cite pmid</a>}}</code>, etc, so that <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arxiv" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite arxiv">cite arxiv</a>|xxxx.yyyy}}</code> pointed to <code>{{<a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cite_arxiv/xxxx.yyyy&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cite arxiv/xxxx.yyyy (page does not exist)">cite arxiv/xxxx.yyyy</a>}}</code>. Then we could have the citation completed on demand, and duplicated results taken care of with REDIRECTs between templates. </p><p>As far as I can see, if the paper is published, it gets a DOI which can be seen on the arXiv page, which could be used to decide whether to use <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a>}}</code> or <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_paper" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite paper">cite paper</a>}}</code>, although since the latter redirects to the former the distinction is reasonably moot. </p><p>Thoughts? —<a href="/wiki/User:Phil_Boswell" title="User:Phil Boswell">Phil</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phil_Boswell" title="User talk:Phil Boswell">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Phil_Boswell-2012-07-24T16:07:00.000Z-Different_behaviour_would_be_much_more_useful" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phil_Boswell-2012-07-24T16:07:00.000Z-Different_behaviour_would_be_much_more_useful"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phil_Boswell-2012-07-24T16:07:00.000Z-Different_behaviour_would_be_much_more_useful"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ArXiv_IDs_are_going_to_5_digits_Jan_2015" data-mw-thread-id="h-ArXiv_IDs_are_going_to_5_digits_Jan_2015-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ArXiv_IDs_are_going_to_5_digits_Jan_2015-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z"></span>ArXiv IDs are going to 5 digits Jan 2015<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ArXiv_IDs_are_going_to_5_digits_Jan_2015-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: ArXiv IDs are going to 5 digits Jan 2015"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z-ArXiv_IDs_are_going_to_5_digits_Jan_2015"></span>See <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://arxiv.org/help/arxiv_identifier">arxiv</a> for details. We may need to change the template. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Phoebe" title="User:Phoebe">phoebe</a> / <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phoebe" title="User talk:Phoebe">talk to me</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z-ArXiv_IDs_are_going_to_5_digits_Jan_2015" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z-ArXiv_IDs_are_going_to_5_digits_Jan_2015"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z-ArXiv_IDs_are_going_to_5_digits_Jan_2015"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:53:00.000Z-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z"></span>Note, I checked it and the output of doibot with the new 5 digit numbers seems fine. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Phoebe" title="User:Phoebe">phoebe</a> / <small>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Phoebe" title="User talk:Phoebe">talk to me</a>)</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:53:00.000Z-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:53:00.000Z-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:53:00.000Z-Phoebe-2015-01-06T22:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Sagittarius_A*" data-mw-thread-id="h-Sagittarius_A*-2015-04-27T17:25:00.000Z"><span id="Sagittarius_A.2A"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Sagittarius_A*-2015-04-27T17:25:00.000Z"></span>Sagittarius A*<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Sagittarius_A*-2015-04-27T17:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Sagittarius A*"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T17:25:00.000Z-Sagittarius_A*"></span>Today in the <a href="/wiki/Sagittarius_A*" title="Sagittarius A*">Sagittarius A*</a> article, I had to remove two parameters in order to fix a <a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#arxiv_params_not_supported" title="Help:CS1 errors"><span style="color: red;">red CS1 error</span></a>; the params were: </p> <ul><li><b>url</b> – In the <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arXiv#Title" title="Template:Cite arXiv">Title subsection</a> this doc states <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-italic">Can be wikilinked to an existing Wikipedia article or <b>url</b> may be used to add an external link, but not both. Displays in italics.</q> (There was no wikilink to a WP article.) Since I had to remove this param to eliminate the CS1 error, this may be either a doc-update need or a need to tweak the module? If the latter, then I can add the <b>url</b> back in after the tweak. Also, the title does not display in italics; it displays within quotation marks. (?)</li> <li><b>accessdate</b> – This doc does not explicitly exclude support for this param; however, in the <a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arXiv#Usage" title="Template:Cite arXiv">Usage section</a> we find <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-italic">The template also supports most of the parameters supported by <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and uses the style of <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>.</q> So if the <b>url</b> parameter is included by tweaking the module, then wouldn't this param also be needed? – <i><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T17:25:00.000Z-Sagittarius_A*" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:25, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T17:25:00.000Z-Sagittarius_A*"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T17:25:00.000Z-Sagittarius_A*"></span></li></ul> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trappist_the_monk-2015-04-27T17:57:00.000Z-Sagittarius_A*"></span>Here is a comparison between the <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Citation/core" title="Template:Citation/core">citation/core</a>}}</code> and <a href="/wiki/Module:Citation/CS1" title="Module:Citation/CS1">Module:Citation/CS1</a> versions of <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arxiv" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Cite arxiv">cite arxiv</a>}}</code>. As you can see, in neither case is the title linked: </p> <table class="wikitable"> <caption>Cite arXiv comparison </caption> <tbody><tr> <th scope="row">Wikitext </th> <td><code style="color:inherit; background:inherit; border:none;">{{cite arXiv<wbr/>|accessdate=6 October 2012<wbr/>|arxiv=1210.1294<wbr/>|author10=K. Matthews<wbr/>|author2=A. M. Ghez<wbr/>|author3=R. Schödel<wbr/>|author4=S. Yelda<wbr/>|author5=A. Boehle<wbr/>|author6=J. R. Lu<wbr/>|author7=T. Do<wbr/>|author8=M. R. Morris<wbr/>|author9=E. E. Becklin<wbr/>|date=4 October 2012<wbr/>|first=L.<wbr/>|last=Meyer<wbr/>|title=The Shortest Known Period Star Orbiting our Galaxy’s Supermassive Black Hole<wbr/>|url=http://arxiv.org/pdf/1210.1294v1.pdf}}</code> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Live </th> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFMeyerA._M._GhezR._SchödelS._Yelda2012" class="citation arxiv cs1">Meyer, L.; A. M. Ghez; R. Schödel; S. Yelda; A. Boehle; J. R. Lu; T. Do; M. R. Morris; E. E. Becklin; K. Matthews (4 October 2012). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1210.1294v1.pdf">"The Shortest Known Period Star Orbiting our Galaxy's Supermassive Black Hole"</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span>. <a href="/wiki/ArXiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ArXiv (identifier)">arXiv</a>:<span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1210.1294">1210.1294</a></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=preprint&rft.jtitle=arXiv&rft.atitle=The+Shortest+Known+Period+Star+Orbiting+our+Galaxy%E2%80%99s+Supermassive+Black+Hole&rft.date=2012-10-04&rft_id=info%3Aarxiv%2F1210.1294&rft.aulast=Meyer&rft.aufirst=L.&rft.au=A.+M.+Ghez&rft.au=R.+Sch%C3%B6del&rft.au=S.+Yelda&rft.au=A.+Boehle&rft.au=J.+R.+Lu&rft.au=T.+Do&rft.au=M.+R.+Morris&rft.au=E.+E.+Becklin&rft.au=K.+Matthews&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1210.1294v1.pdf&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATemplate+talk%3ACite+arXiv" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arXiv" title="Template:Cite arXiv">cite arXiv</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Unknown parameter <code class="cs1-code">|accessdate=</code> ignored (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#parameter_ignored" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Sandbox </th> <td class="cs1-sandbox"><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238446127">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><cite id="CITEREFMeyerA._M._GhezR._SchödelS._Yelda2012" class="citation arxiv cs1">Meyer, L.; A. M. Ghez; R. Schödel; S. Yelda; A. Boehle; J. R. Lu; T. Do; M. R. Morris; E. E. Becklin; K. Matthews (4 October 2012). <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1210.1294v1.pdf">"The Shortest Known Period Star Orbiting our Galaxy's Supermassive Black Hole"</a> <span class="cs1-format">(PDF)</span>. <a href="/wiki/ArXiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ArXiv (identifier)">arXiv</a>:<span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1210.1294">1210.1294</a></span>.</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=preprint&rft.jtitle=arXiv&rft.atitle=The+Shortest+Known+Period+Star+Orbiting+our+Galaxy%E2%80%99s+Supermassive+Black+Hole&rft.date=2012-10-04&rft_id=info%3Aarxiv%2F1210.1294&rft.aulast=Meyer&rft.aufirst=L.&rft.au=A.+M.+Ghez&rft.au=R.+Sch%C3%B6del&rft.au=S.+Yelda&rft.au=A.+Boehle&rft.au=J.+R.+Lu&rft.au=T.+Do&rft.au=M.+R.+Morris&rft.au=E.+E.+Becklin&rft.au=K.+Matthews&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1210.1294v1.pdf&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATemplate+talk%3ACite+arXiv" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arXiv" title="Template:Cite arXiv">cite arXiv</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Unknown parameter <code class="cs1-code">|accessdate=</code> ignored (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#parameter_ignored" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span> </td></tr></tbody></table> <p>Because the <span class="nowrap"><code>{{citation/core}}</code></span> version does not support <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|url=</code> it had no reason to support <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|access-date=</code>. </p><p><span class="nowrap"><code>{{cite arxiv}}</code></span> is intended to cite a preprint at arXiv. If editors are citing the final published version of the paper, then they should consider using <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_journal" title="Template:Cite journal">cite journal</a>}}</code>. </p><p>Title is quoted because it is a paper or article preprint. </p><p>The documentation is wrong and is in need of fixing. In part this arises from the common documentation at <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Csdoc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Csdoc">csdoc</a>}}</code>. </p><p>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Trappist_the_monk-2015-04-27T17:57:00.000Z-Sagittarius_A*" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trappist_the_monk-2015-04-27T17:57:00.000Z-Sagittarius_A*"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trappist_the_monk-2015-04-27T17:57:00.000Z-Sagittarius_A*"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T18:54:00.000Z-Trappist_the_monk-2015-04-27T17:57:00.000Z"></span>Thank you very much for that, <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a>! So we can leave the article as is and tweak the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Csdoc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Csdoc">csdoc</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template by omitting the <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk inline-quote-talk-italic">...or <b>url</b> may be used to add an external link, but not both. Displays in italics.</q>? And maybe change that last part to "Displays within quotation marks."? According to the doc (<span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Csdoc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Csdoc">csdoc</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>), the wikilink can be added with the <b>title-link</b> parameter. Is this still the case? or should that also be omitted? And of course this all relies on whether or not the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Csdoc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Csdoc">csdoc</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> should be edited at all due to applications where these params still apply? If that is the case, then perhaps these params should be omitted and added manually to doc pages where they do apply? In other words, is this an easy or a gnarly fix? – <i><a href="/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth" title="User:Paine Ellsworth"><b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b></a></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T18:54:00.000Z-Trappist_the_monk-2015-04-27T17:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T18:54:00.000Z-Trappist_the_monk-2015-04-27T17:57:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T18:54:00.000Z-Trappist_the_monk-2015-04-27T17:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2015-04-27T21:07:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T18:54:00.000Z"></span>I have mostly updated the "<a href="/wiki/Template:Citation_Style_documentation/title" title="Template:Citation Style documentation/title">title</a>" documentation. I tried to add a switch called "link" to exclude the wikilink/url text from the Cite arxiv documentation, but it's not working for me. Trappist or <a href="/wiki/User:Gadget850" title="User:Gadget850">Gadget850</a>, can you find my error? – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Jonesey95-2015-04-27T21:07:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T18:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2015-04-27T21:07:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T18:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2015-04-27T21:07:00.000Z-Paine_Ellsworth-2015-04-27T18:54:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jonesey95-2015-04-30T12:38:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2015-04-27T21:07:00.000Z"></span>The title documentation displays correctly now. – <a href="/wiki/User:Jonesey95" title="User:Jonesey95">Jonesey95</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jonesey95" title="User talk:Jonesey95">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Jonesey95-2015-04-30T12:38:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2015-04-27T21:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:38, 30 April 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jonesey95-2015-04-30T12:38:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2015-04-27T21:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jonesey95-2015-04-30T12:38:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2015-04-27T21:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd>Virtually all arXiv documents can now be displayed in simple webpage (HTML) format, using the online tool "Arxiv Vanity". That could be quite useful for anyone using a device without access to Adobe Acrobat Reader, because they find it hard to read pdf doucuments or for whatever other reason. For example, the arXiv version of the paper above viewed as an HTML web page through Arxiv Vanity: <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/1210.1294/">The Shortest Known Period Star Orbiting our Galaxy’s Supermassive Black Hole</a>.</dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Why_would_we_cite_these?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_would_we_cite_these?-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z"><span id="Why_would_we_cite_these.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_would_we_cite_these?-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Why would we cite these?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_would_we_cite_these?-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Why would we cite these?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z-Why_would_we_cite_these?"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1235781174">.mw-parser-output .hmbox-outer{margin-left:1em}.mw-parser-output .hmbox-inner{display:inline-block;color:var(--color-base,#202122);border:1px solid var(--border-color-base,#a2a9b1);background-color:var(--background-color-interactive-subtle,#f8f9fa);margin-right:0.5em;padding:0.3em 0.5em}</style><div role="note" class="hmbox-outer resolved"><div class="hmbox-inner"><span typeof="mw:File"><span><img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/20px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png" decoding="async" width="20" height="20" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/30px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Purple_arrow_right.svg/40px-Purple_arrow_right.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="250" data-file-height="250"/></span></span> Moved to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources#Why_would_we_ever_cite_arXiv?" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources">Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources § Why would we ever cite arXiv?</a></div></div> <p>If what is published at <a href="/wiki/ArXiv" title="ArXiv">arXiv</a> are <a href="/wiki/Preprints" class="mw-redirect" title="Preprints">preprints</a> and there's no review process but "moderation" to categorize them correctly, that would seem to make them low-quality, primary sources, maybe too low for science/medicine citations at least (maybe okay in the humanities, as directly attributed primary sources used with caution for non-controversial claims and only when necessary. They would seem to have the reliability level of, e.g., a thesis/dissertation, maybe less. </p><p>An argument can be made that they're self-published sources, since arXiv is acting as a self-publishing house for academics (in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> terms, if not in intent; I gather their intent is more like that of WikiSource and Project Gutenberg and Archive.org, but narrowly tailored). </p><p>Another argument can be made that it's <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:UGC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:UGC">WP:UGC</a>; people all over the world uploading what they've written to a website (with an administrative user class) where it is categorized for public, free consumption ... that's a description of a Wiki. </p><p>Exception made for material that is actually published in a journal by the time we need to cite it; the arXiv URL might be the only one we have, if the journal is behind a paywall. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish"><b>SMcCandlish</b> ☺</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">☏</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">¢</a> ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z-Why_would_we_cite_these?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 22 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z-Why_would_we_cite_these?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z-Why_would_we_cite_these?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2015-07-23T02:34:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z"></span>Same reason why we might want to cite anything. To establish a claim, a fact, support a thing, or whatever. This is no different than using <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_web" title="Template:Cite web">cite web</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">contribs</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">physics</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">books</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-2015-07-23T02:34:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:34, 23 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2015-07-23T02:34:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2015-07-23T02:34:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2015-07-22T23:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-24T07:51:00.000Z-Headbomb-2015-07-23T02:34:00.000Z"></span>Not responsive to a single word I wrote. I'm tempted to delete that as trolling, per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:REFACTOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:REFACTOR">WP:REFACTOR</a>. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish"><b>SMcCandlish</b> ☺</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">☏</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">¢</a> ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-24T07:51:00.000Z-Headbomb-2015-07-23T02:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:51, 24 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-24T07:51:00.000Z-Headbomb-2015-07-23T02:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-24T07:51:00.000Z-Headbomb-2015-07-23T02:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2015-07-24T14:26:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2015-07-24T07:51:00.000Z"></span>I told you exactly why anyone would cite something from the arxiv. If that doesn't answer your question, then the problem is with your question, not my answer. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">talk</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">contribs</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">physics</a> / <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">books</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-2015-07-24T14:26:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2015-07-24T07:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 24 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2015-07-24T14:26:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2015-07-24T07:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2015-07-24T14:26:00.000Z-SMcCandlish-2015-07-24T07:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-27T03:58:00.000Z-Headbomb-2015-07-24T14:26:00.000Z"></span>The respondents at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources#Why_would_we_ever_cite_arXiv?" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources">the current discussion</a> get the point; it isn't actually necessary that you do. [shrug] <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — <a href="/wiki/User:SMcCandlish" title="User:SMcCandlish"><b>SMcCandlish</b> ☺</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:SMcCandlish" title="User talk:SMcCandlish">☏</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish" title="Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish">¢</a> ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-27T03:58:00.000Z-Headbomb-2015-07-24T14:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:58, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-27T03:58:00.000Z-Headbomb-2015-07-24T14:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SMcCandlish-2015-07-27T03:58:00.000Z-Headbomb-2015-07-24T14:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Documentation_needing_update?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Documentation_needing_update?-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z"><span id="Documentation_needing_update.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Documentation_needing_update?-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z"></span>Documentation needing update?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Documentation_needing_update?-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Documentation needing update?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nøkkenbuer-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z-Documentation_needing_update?"></span>It seems to me that either the documentation or the template needs updating because, unless I am missing something, <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|orig-year=</code>, <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|access-date=</code>, and <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|version=</code> result in ignored parameter errors. Given <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|orig-year=</code> is ignored, <span class="nowrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Csdoc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Csdoc">csdoc</a>|date}}</span> is not entirely applicable to this template. Perhaps it also needs a <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|arxiv=yes</code> if there is some reason to exclude <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|orig-year=</code> (it would be a useful parameter to have)? The TemplateData is also outdated, as well. —<a href="/wiki/User:N%C3%B8kkenbuer" title="User:Nøkkenbuer">Nøkkenbuer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:N%C3%B8kkenbuer" title="User talk:Nøkkenbuer">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/N%C3%B8kkenbuer" title="Special:Contributions/Nøkkenbuer">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Nøkkenbuer-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z-Documentation_needing_update?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nøkkenbuer-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z-Documentation_needing_update?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nøkkenbuer-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z-Documentation_needing_update?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-06-28T10:53:00.000Z-Nøkkenbuer-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z"></span>I have tweaked <code>{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Csdoc" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Csdoc">csdoc</a>}}</code>. I shall not touch the template data.</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-06-28T10:53:00.000Z-Nøkkenbuer-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-06-28T10:53:00.000Z-Nøkkenbuer-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-06-28T10:53:00.000Z-Nøkkenbuer-2018-06-28T08:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z-Trappist_the_monk-2018-06-28T10:53:00.000Z"></span>Similarly <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|publisher=</code> gives the unhelpful error "<span style="color:red">Unknown parameter <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|publisher=</code> ignored (<code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|publisher=</code> suggested)</span>" (see <span class="plainlinks"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&oldid=855997376">this version</a></span> of <a href="/wiki/Nvidia_Quadro" class="mw-redirect" title="Nvidia Quadro">Nvidia Quadro</a>, ref 20. I've replaced it with <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|collaboration=</code> there, which makes more sense anyway). › <a href="/wiki/User:Mortee" title="User:Mortee"><span style="color: purple;">Mortee</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mortee" title="User talk:Mortee"><sub>talk</sub></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z-Trappist_the_monk-2018-06-28T10:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:08, 23 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z-Trappist_the_monk-2018-06-28T10:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z-Trappist_the_monk-2018-06-28T10:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2018-08-23T10:57:00.000Z-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z"></span>Yeah it shouldn't suggest publisher as an alternative to publisher. (Technically it's Cornell University Library, but that's not something that needs to be mentioned). <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-2018-08-23T10:57:00.000Z-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2018-08-23T10:57:00.000Z-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2018-08-23T10:57:00.000Z-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-08-23T11:39:00.000Z-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z"></span>Fixed in the sandbox. <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|collaboration=</code> as a 'replacement' for <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|publisher=</code> seems inappropriate here because the authors are affiliated with NVIDIA (the authors' employer) – papers published by university professors typically don't credit the university that employs the professor (the affiliation) as a collaborator. Also, <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|author5=Dietger van Antwerpen</code> should be <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|last5=van Antwerpen</code> <code class="tpl-para" style="word-break:break-word;">|first5=Dietger</code>.</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div style="margin-left:4.8em"> <table class="wikitable"> <caption>Cite arxiv comparison </caption> <tbody><tr> <th scope="row">Wikitext </th> <td><code style="color:inherit; background:inherit; border:none;">{{cite arxiv<wbr/>|author5=Dietger van Antwerpen<wbr/>|class=cs.GR<wbr/>|eprint=1705.01263<wbr/>|first1=Alexander<wbr/>|first2=Carsten<wbr/>|first3=Matthias<wbr/>|first4=Daniel<wbr/>|first6=Johann<wbr/>|first7=Lutz<wbr/>|last1=Keller<wbr/>|last2=Wächter<wbr/>|last3=Raab<wbr/>|last4=Seibert<wbr/>|last6=Korndörfer<wbr/>|last7=Kettner<wbr/>|publisher=NVIDIA<wbr/>|title=The Iray Light Transport Simulation and Rendering System<wbr/>|year=2017}}</code> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Live </th> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFKellerWächterRaabSeibert2017" class="citation arxiv cs1">Keller, Alexander; Wächter, Carsten; Raab, Matthias; Seibert, Daniel; Dietger van Antwerpen; Korndörfer, Johann; Kettner, Lutz (2017). "The Iray Light Transport Simulation and Rendering System". <a href="/wiki/ArXiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ArXiv (identifier)">arXiv</a>:<span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.01263">1705.01263</a></span> [<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/archive/cs.GR">cs.GR</a>].</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=preprint&rft.jtitle=arXiv&rft.atitle=The+Iray+Light+Transport+Simulation+and+Rendering+System&rft.date=2017&rft_id=info%3Aarxiv%2F1705.01263&rft.aulast=Keller&rft.aufirst=Alexander&rft.au=W%C3%A4chter%2C+Carsten&rft.au=Raab%2C+Matthias&rft.au=Seibert%2C+Daniel&rft.au=Dietger+van+Antwerpen&rft.au=Kornd%C3%B6rfer%2C+Johann&rft.au=Kettner%2C+Lutz&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATemplate+talk%3ACite+arXiv" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arXiv" title="Template:Cite arXiv">cite arXiv</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Unknown parameter <code class="cs1-code">|publisher=</code> ignored (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#parameter_ignored" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Sandbox </th> <td class="cs1-sandbox"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238446127"><cite id="CITEREFKellerWächterRaabSeibert2017" class="citation arxiv cs1">Keller, Alexander; Wächter, Carsten; Raab, Matthias; Seibert, Daniel; Dietger van Antwerpen; Korndörfer, Johann; Kettner, Lutz (2017). "The Iray Light Transport Simulation and Rendering System". <a href="/wiki/ArXiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ArXiv (identifier)">arXiv</a>:<span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.01263">1705.01263</a></span> [<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/archive/cs.GR">cs.GR</a>].</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=preprint&rft.jtitle=arXiv&rft.atitle=The+Iray+Light+Transport+Simulation+and+Rendering+System&rft.date=2017&rft_id=info%3Aarxiv%2F1705.01263&rft.aulast=Keller&rft.aufirst=Alexander&rft.au=W%C3%A4chter%2C+Carsten&rft.au=Raab%2C+Matthias&rft.au=Seibert%2C+Daniel&rft.au=Dietger+van+Antwerpen&rft.au=Kornd%C3%B6rfer%2C+Johann&rft.au=Kettner%2C+Lutz&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATemplate+talk%3ACite+arXiv" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arXiv" title="Template:Cite arXiv">cite arXiv</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Unknown parameter <code class="cs1-code">|publisher=</code> ignored (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#parameter_ignored" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-08-23T11:39:00.000Z-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:39, 23 August 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-08-23T11:39:00.000Z-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-08-23T11:39:00.000Z-Mortee-2018-08-23T10:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Auric-2018-09-11T22:46:00.000Z-Documentation_needing_update?"></span>See also </p> <table class="wikitable"> <caption>Cite arxiv comparison </caption> <tbody><tr> <th scope="row">Wikitext </th> <td><code style="color:inherit; background:inherit; border:none;">{{cite arxiv<wbr/>|author1=Behnam Farid<wbr/>|bibcode=2007arXiv0711.0952F<wbr/>|class=cond-mat.str-el<wbr/>|eprint=0711.0952<wbr/>|title=On the Luttinger theorem concerning number of particles in the ground states of systems of interacting fermions<wbr/>|year=2007}}</code> </td></tr> <tr> <th scope="row">Live </th> <td><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><cite id="CITEREFBehnam_Farid2007" class="citation arxiv cs1">Behnam Farid (2007). "On the Luttinger theorem concerning number of particles in the ground states of systems of interacting fermions". <a href="/wiki/ArXiv_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ArXiv (identifier)">arXiv</a>:<span class="id-lock-free" title="Freely accessible"><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/abs/0711.0952">0711.0952</a></span> [<a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="https://arxiv.org/archive/cond-mat.str-el">cond-mat.str-el</a>].</cite><span title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=preprint&rft.jtitle=arXiv&rft.atitle=On+the+Luttinger+theorem+concerning+number+of+particles+in+the+ground+states+of+systems+of+interacting+fermions&rft.date=2007&rft_id=info%3Aarxiv%2F0711.0952&rft.au=Behnam+Farid&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATemplate+talk%3ACite+arXiv" class="Z3988"></span> <span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment"><code class="cs1-code">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Cite_arXiv" title="Template:Cite arXiv">cite arXiv</a>}}</code>: </span><span class="cs1-visible-error citation-comment">Unknown parameter <code class="cs1-code">|bibcode=</code> ignored (<a href="/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#parameter_ignored" title="Help:CS1 errors">help</a>)</span> </td></tr></tbody></table><p> from <a href="/wiki/Luttinger%27s_theorem" title="Luttinger's theorem">Luttinger's theorem</a>.-- </p><p><span style="text-shadow:#FFD700 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em"><a href="/wiki/User:Auric" title="User:Auric"><span style="color: #FC3700;"><b>Auric</b></span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Auric" title="User talk:Auric"><span style="color: #0C0F00;"><i>talk</i></span></a></span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Auric-2018-09-11T22:46:00.000Z-Documentation_needing_update?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Auric-2018-09-11T22:46:00.000Z-Documentation_needing_update?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Auric-2018-09-11T22:46:00.000Z-Documentation_needing_update?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span class="template-ping"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2018-09-11T23:52:00.000Z-Auric-2018-09-11T22:46:00.000Z"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Auric" title="User:Auric">Auric</a>:</span> those were due to a bot error. This has been fixed a while ago. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-2018-09-11T23:52:00.000Z-Auric-2018-09-11T22:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2018-09-11T23:52:00.000Z-Auric-2018-09-11T22:46:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2018-09-11T23:52:00.000Z-Auric-2018-09-11T22:46:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Green_lock_overlap" data-mw-thread-id="h-Green_lock_overlap-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Green_lock_overlap-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z"></span>Green lock overlap<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Green_lock_overlap-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Green lock overlap"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Hyacinth-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z-Green_lock_overlap"></span>This template produces a green lock which I find displayed behind the eprint parameter in both Mozilla Firefox and Microsoft Edge, while in Internet Explorer it is displayed to the right. <a href="/wiki/User:Hyacinth" title="User:Hyacinth">Hyacinth</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Hyacinth" title="User talk:Hyacinth">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Hyacinth-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z-Green_lock_overlap" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Hyacinth-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z-Green_lock_overlap"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Hyacinth-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z-Green_lock_overlap"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-11-18T22:39:00.000Z-Hyacinth-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z"></span>Where are you seeing this?</dd> <dd>—<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Trappist_the_monk&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Trappist the monk (page does not exist)">Trappist the monk</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Trappist_the_monk" title="User talk:Trappist the monk">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-11-18T22:39:00.000Z-Hyacinth-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:39, 18 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-11-18T22:39:00.000Z-Hyacinth-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Trappist_the_monk-2018-11-18T22:39:00.000Z-Hyacinth-2018-11-18T22:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters" data-mw-thread-id="h-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z"><span id="Add_citeseerx.2C_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z"></span>Add citeseerx, bibcode and s2cid as parameters<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Add citeseerx, bibcode and s2cid as parameters"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RDBrown-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters"></span>In <a href="/wiki/R-algebroid" title="R-algebroid">R-algebroid</a> arXiv:0804.2451. also has CiteSeerX 10.1.1.312.7226, so must use <i>cite paper</i> rather than <i>cite arxiv</i>. If easy please add the other likely parameters. <a href="/wiki/User:RDBrown" title="User:RDBrown">RDBrown</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:RDBrown" title="User talk:RDBrown">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-RDBrown-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:19, 2 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RDBrown-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RDBrown-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-2020-12-02T01:26:00.000Z-RDBrown-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z"></span>This is not needed. This template is specifically for citing a preprint from arxiv. That the preprint can also be found on CiteSeerX is of no relevance. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-2020-12-02T01:26:00.000Z-RDBrown-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-2020-12-02T01:26:00.000Z-RDBrown-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-2020-12-02T01:26:00.000Z-RDBrown-2020-12-02T01:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Praemonitus-20230428163900-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters"></span>It may be appropriate to include a 'doi' parameter, since that is intended to be stable. <a href="/wiki/User:Praemonitus" title="User:Praemonitus">Praemonitus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Praemonitus" title="User talk:Praemonitus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Praemonitus-20230428163900-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:39, 28 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Praemonitus-20230428163900-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Praemonitus-20230428163900-Add_citeseerx,_bibcode_and_s2cid_as_parameters"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Headbomb-20230430144900-Praemonitus-20230428163900"></span>Again no, because that's fully redundant to the arxiv identifier. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href="/wiki/User:Headbomb" title="User:Headbomb">Headbomb</a> {<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Headbomb" title="User talk:Headbomb">t</a> · <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb" title="Special:Contributions/Headbomb">c</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PHYS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PHYS">p</a> · <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WBOOKS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WBOOKS">b</a>}</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_arXiv#c-Headbomb-20230430144900-Praemonitus-20230428163900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Headbomb-20230430144900-Praemonitus-20230428163900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Headbomb-20230430144900-Praemonitus-20230428163900"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="translator?" data-mw-thread-id="h-translator?-20230703190200"><span id="translator.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-translator?-20230703190200"></span>translator?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-translator?-20230703190200"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Cite_arXiv&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: translator?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jacobolus-20230703190200-translator?"></span>It seems like this template has no support for specifying a translator? 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