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The proposed classification is opinative and not factual, and therefore completely out of the WP policies. Unless information stated in this article may be properly sourced, I intend to propose the article for deletion due to the lack of compliance with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">WP:NOR</a>. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mcampos69&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mcampos69 (page does not exist)">M.Campos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcampos69" title="User talk:Mcampos69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:33:00.000Z-Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:33:00.000Z-Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-13T13:33:00.000Z","author":"Mcampos69","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:33:00.000Z-Deletion","replies":[],"displayName":"M.Campos"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:33:00.000Z-Deletion"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z-Deletion"></span>- Sorry, I see I exagerated in my position above. Instead of proposing the article for deletion, I am chalinging whole information stated in the "Ideology" columns. I understand the unsourced content must be removed.<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mcampos69&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mcampos69 (page does not exist)">M.Campos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcampos69" title="User talk:Mcampos69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z-Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z-Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z","author":"Mcampos69","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z-Deletion","replies":["c-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"M.Campos"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z-Deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z"></span>The parties's ideologies put here are those discussed and included in the articles of the single parties, so I ask you not to do such changes. --<a href="/wiki/User:Checco" title="User:Checco">Checco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Checco" title="User talk:Checco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z","author":"Checco","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z"]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-13T13:37:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z"></span>Please note the agreement achieved between some contributors and the fact that the same policy breach was spread through other articles does not cancel the need to comply with WP policies. The extension of the talk page already proves the ideology classification is oppinative in its nature. No reliable source is stated to support the information and there are no even clear criteria to classify the parties.</dd> <dd>The current state carries a major misconception of the Wikipedia nature. WP is not the place where the truth is to be established. It is the repository of concepts already generally accepted as the current state of knowledge.</dd> <dd>The article breaches <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOR">WP:NOR</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>, two out of three WP core content policies (the third is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>, but I am not complaining on any particular bias) . If the subject is controversial, WP must limit itself to state the controversy exists. So I think I have very valid point here.</dd> <dd>I still think deletion of the ideology classification is the right thing to do (and I feel authorized by <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a> to proceed with it). But as a compromise solution (what is bad but better then edit war I am not willing to enter) I propose the article to include a statement that clearly shows the ideology classification is controversial and most of parties hardly behave coherently in line with their supposed ideological alignment. That would turn the aticle less misleading. Do you think that is a workable way to set the issue?<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Mcampos69&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Mcampos69 (page does not exist)">M.Campos</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mcampos69" title="User talk:Mcampos69">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z","author":"Mcampos69","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Checco-2008-10-14T15:43:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z"],"displayName":"M.Campos"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z-Checco-2008-10-13T14:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Checco-2008-10-14T15:43:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z"></span>For me it's OK, but I would like to know the opinion of the Brazilian users who edited the article. Anyway, the intro already states that "The ideologies of the different parties should be taken with a grain of salt, as many of them are in fact loose coalitions of local and individual leaderships". --<a href="/wiki/User:Checco" title="User:Checco">Checco</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Checco" title="User talk:Checco">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Checco-2008-10-14T15:43:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Checco-2008-10-14T15:43:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-14T15:43:00.000Z","author":"Checco","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Checco-2008-10-14T15:43:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Checco-2008-10-14T15:43:00.000Z-Mcampos69-2008-10-14T14:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:21:00.000Z-Deletion"></span>I agree that all such claims on ideology should be sourced. Currently, the only two references mentioned in the article are clearly partisan.<a href="/wiki/User:Giorgioz" title="User:Giorgioz">Giorgioz</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giorgioz&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Giorgioz (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:21:00.000Z-Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:21:00.000Z-Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-06T14:21:00.000Z","author":"Giorgioz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:21:00.000Z-Deletion","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:21:00.000Z-Deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Suggestion-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z-Suggestion&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Suggestion&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Suggestion&quot;}--><h2 id="Suggestion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Suggestion-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Suggestion-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z"></span>Suggestion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Suggestion-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil&amp;action=edit&amp;section=2" title="Edit section: Suggestion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Suggestion-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z-Suggestion"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-Checco-2008-12-09T10:51:00.000Z-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z","timestamp":"2008-12-09T10:51:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__2__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__2__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Suggestion-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z-Suggestion&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Suggestion&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Suggestion&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z-Suggestion"></span>After taking a look at other "party list" articles, I think a better compromise would be to remove the 'ideology' columns from the table and leave the discussion of such matters to the individual pages on the parties. As far as I know, no other article intended to merely list a country's political parties includes information on ideology.<a href="/wiki/User:Giorgioz" title="User:Giorgioz">Giorgioz</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giorgioz&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Giorgioz (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z-Suggestion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z-Suggestion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span 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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Checco-2008-12-09T10:51:00.000Z-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Checco-2008-12-09T10:51:00.000Z-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-09T10:51:00.000Z","author":"Checco","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Checco-2008-12-09T10:51:00.000Z-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Checco-2008-12-09T10:51:00.000Z-Giorgioz-2008-12-06T14:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 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class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-Bagunceiro-2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Representation-2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-Bagunceiro-2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z-Representation&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Representation&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Representation&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bagunceiro-2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z-Representation"></span>The "Summary of parliamentary Parties" section is out of date, and by the nature of things this is likely to happen again quite soon even if someone take the trouble to update it. Since it does no more than duplicate information in <a href="/wiki/Federal_Senate" class="mw-redirect mw-disambig" title="Federal Senate">Federal Senate</a> and <a href="/wiki/Chamber_of_Deputies_(Brazil)" title="Chamber of Deputies (Brazil)">Chamber of Deputies (Brazil)</a> I suggest this section is deleted (perhaps with a reference out to these other two pages). <a href="/wiki/User:Bagunceiro" title="User:Bagunceiro">Bagunceiro</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bagunceiro" title="User talk:Bagunceiro">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-Bagunceiro-2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z-Representation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:01, 8 November 2014 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bagunceiro-2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z-Representation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z","author":"Bagunceiro","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bagunceiro-2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z-Representation","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bagunceiro-2014-11-08T16:01:00.000Z-Representation"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-New_National_Renewal_Alliance-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;New National Renewal Alliance&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;New National Renewal Alliance&quot;}--><h2 id="New_National_Renewal_Alliance" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_National_Renewal_Alliance-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_National_Renewal_Alliance-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z"></span>New National Renewal Alliance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_National_Renewal_Alliance-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil&amp;action=edit&amp;section=4" title="Edit section: New National Renewal Alliance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-New_National_Renewal_Alliance-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance","timestamp":"2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-New_National_Renewal_Alliance-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;New National Renewal Alliance&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;New National Renewal Alliance&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance"></span>The party "New National Renewal Alliance" isn´t <a href="/wiki/National_Renewal_Alliance" title="National Renewal Alliance">National Renewal Alliance</a> (this was dissolved in 1979, and is listed on table "Historical"). Party "New National Renewal Alliance" (listed on table "Non-registered"), was founded in 2012, per <a class="external text" href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alian%C3%A7a_Renovadora_Nacional#Movimento_de_Recria.C3.A7.C3.A3o_da_Alian.C3.A7a_Renovadora_Nacional"><i>Movimento de Recriação da Aliança Renovadora Nacional</i></a> (Recreation Movement of National Renewal Alliance), as a new party, renamed to "new", still awaiting registration. See also <a class="external text" href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_partidos_pol%C3%ADticos_no_Brasil#Partidos_em_estabelecimento"><i>Partidos em estabelecimento</i></a> (Parties in establishing) and <a class="external text" href="https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_partidos_pol%C3%ADticos_brasileiros_extintos#Bipartidarismo_no_Regime_Militar_.281965-1979.29"><i>Lista de partidos políticos brasileiros extintos</i></a> (List of extinct Brazilian political parties) <a href="/wiki/User:PauloMSimoes" title="User:PauloMSimoes">PauloMSimoes</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:PauloMSimoes" title="User talk:PauloMSimoes">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 30 March 2017 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z","author":"PauloMSimoes","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PauloMSimoes-2017-03-30T02:12:00.000Z-New_National_Renewal_Alliance"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually-20230316003800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Ideology column is important, actually&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Ideology column is important, actually&quot;}--><h2 id="Ideology_column_is_important,_actually" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually-20230316003800"><span id="Ideology_column_is_important.2C_actually"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually-20230316003800"></span>Ideology column is important, actually<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually-20230316003800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil&amp;action=edit&amp;section=5" title="Edit section: Ideology column is important, actually"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually-20230316003800","replies":["c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually","timestamp":"20230316003800"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually-20230316003800&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Ideology column is important, actually&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Ideology column is important, actually&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually"></span>I think that the ideology column in the currently-registered parties is important because it gives a quick snapshot of what each party stands for. This makes it more convenient for laymen when analyzing Brazil's political situation at a glance, even if a bit of accuracy must be traded off in order to achieve this. </p><p>If someone knows how to automatically extract a pre-defined segment of one article (the party's page) and transpose it to another (the table of political parties in Brazil) it would streamline the editing process, ensuring accuracy across all documents. <a href="/wiki/User:CorruptSnowflake" title="User:CorruptSnowflake">CorruptSnowflake</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CorruptSnowflake" title="User talk:CorruptSnowflake">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230316003800","author":"CorruptSnowflake","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CorruptSnowflake-20230316003800-Ideology_column_is_important,_actually"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-RMCD_bot-20240329161900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Move_discussion_in_progress-20240329161900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Move discussion in progress&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Move discussion in progress&quot;}--><h2 id="Move_discussion_in_progress" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move_discussion_in_progress-20240329161900"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move_discussion_in_progress-20240329161900"></span>Move discussion in progress<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move_discussion_in_progress-20240329161900"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil&amp;action=edit&amp;section=6" title="Edit section: Move discussion in progress"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-RMCD_bot-20240329161900","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Move_discussion_in_progress-20240329161900","replies":["c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress","timestamp":"20240329161900"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-RMCD_bot-20240329161900&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Move_discussion_in_progress-20240329161900&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Move discussion in progress&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Move discussion in progress&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress"></span>There is a move discussion in progress on <a href="/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Abkhazia#Requested_move_29_March_2024" title="Talk:List of political parties in Abkhazia">Talk:List of political parties in Abkhazia</a> which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —<a href="/wiki/User:RMCD_bot" title="User:RMCD bot">RMCD bot</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240329161900","author":"RMCD bot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress","replies":[]}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-RMCD_bot-20240329161900-Move_discussion_in_progress"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONDESKTOP__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-4trw-20240928215000&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Party_Numbers?-20240928215000&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Party Numbers?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Party Numbers?&quot;}--><h2 id="Party_Numbers?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Party_Numbers?-20240928215000"><span id="Party_Numbers.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Party_Numbers?-20240928215000"></span>Party Numbers?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Party_Numbers?-20240928215000"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil&amp;action=edit&amp;section=7" title="Edit section: Party Numbers?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"headingLevel":2,"name":"h-4trw-20240928215000","type":"heading","level":0,"id":"h-Party_Numbers?-20240928215000","replies":["c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?"]}}--><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><!--__DTLATESTCOMMENTTHREAD__{"id":"c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?","timestamp":"20240928215000"}__--><!--__DTCOMMENTCOUNT__1__--><!--__DTAUTHORCOUNT__1__--></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"><!--__DTSUBSCRIBEBUTTONMOBILE__{&quot;headingLevel&quot;:2,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;h-4trw-20240928215000&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;heading&quot;,&quot;level&quot;:0,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;h-Party_Numbers?-20240928215000&quot;,&quot;replies&quot;:[&quot;c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?&quot;],&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Party Numbers?&quot;,&quot;linkableTitle&quot;:&quot;Party Numbers?&quot;}--></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?"></span>Is there any particular reason that the current revisions removed Party Numbers from the active parties sections? This is vital information. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:4trw" title="User:4trw">Tim Wochomurka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4trw" title="User talk:4trw">talk</a>) <a href="/wiki/User:4trw" title="User:4trw">Tim Wochomurka</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:4trw" title="User talk:4trw">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil#c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span><!--__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928215000","author":"4trw","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?","replies":[],"displayName":"Tim Wochomurka"}}--></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-4trw-20240928215000-Party_Numbers?"></span> </p> <!-- NewPP limit report Parsed by mw‐api‐int.codfw.main‐68fccdd5b5‐t4jfs Cached time: 20241121194516 Cache expiry: 864000 Reduced expiry: true Complications: [vary‐revision‐sha1, show‐toc] DiscussionTools time usage: 0.014 seconds CPU time usage: 0.186 seconds Real time usage: 0.256 seconds Preprocessor visited node count: 1037/1000000 Post‐expand include size: 30158/2097152 bytes Template argument size: 186/2097152 bytes Highest expansion depth: 9/100 Expensive parser function count: 20/500 Unstrip recursion depth: 0/20 Unstrip post‐expand size: 24998/5000000 bytes Lua time usage: 0.115/10.000 seconds Lua memory usage: 2520596/52428800 bytes Number of Wikibase entities loaded: 0/400 --> <!-- Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 198.225 1 -total 85.25% 168.995 1 Template:WikiProject_banner_shell 36.40% 72.149 1 Template:WikiProject_Lists 14.68% 29.094 1 Template:Archives 12.74% 25.259 1 Template:WikiProject_Brazil 6.50% 12.881 1 Template:WikiProject_Politics 4.58% 9.088 1 Template:Archive_list 4.52% 8.965 1 Template:Class_mask 2.27% 4.507 1 Template:Th/abp 1.72% 3.417 1 Template:If_empty --> <!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:2208673-0!canonical and timestamp 20241121194516 and revision id 1248322281. 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