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And this is 20/20.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1493;left:57"><nobr>ANNOUNCER: On the <b><span class="goohl0">ABC </span></B><b><span class="goohl1">news</span></B> magazine, 20/20, with Hugh Downs and Barbara</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1507;left:57"><nobr>Walters. Tonight, feel what it's like inside the toughest prison in the country.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1521;left:75"><nobr>WILLIAM JOHNSON. Marion Prison Inmate: I spend most of my time dwelling on</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1537;left:75"><nobr>revenge.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1551;left:57"><nobr>ANNOUNCER: <i>[voice-over] </i>Authorities rely on hardline tactics. Discipline squads. In-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1566;left:57"><nobr>mates kept in near-total isolation.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1580;left:75"><nobr>RANDY GOMETZ, Marion Prison Inmate: They tear your clothes off and chain you</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1595;left:75"><nobr>buck naked to a bed. There it is.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1610;left:75"><nobr>GARY HENMAN. Warden, Marion Prison: We don't chain inmates, we restrain in-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1625;left:75"><nobr>mates.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1639;left:57"><nobr>ANNOUNCER: Are there abuses or is this what it takes to keep order? Tom Jarriel in-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1654;left:57"><nobr>side Marion Federal Penitentiary, "America's Toughest Prison."</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1668;left:75"><nobr>And, worried when you hear that so many things can cause cancer? A renowned</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1683;left:57"><nobr>scientist say we've overdone the warnings, that there's been too much hype.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1698;left:75"><nobr>Dr. BRUCE AMES, Scientist: We get more carcinogens in a cup of coffee than we</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1713;left:75"><nobr>do in all the pesticide residues we eat in a day.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1727;left:58"><nobr>ANNOUNCER: Have the experts been crying wolf? John Stossel takes a fresh look at</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1742;left:57"><nobr>many of the warnings we' ve heard before. Has it been ' 'Much Ado About Nothing?''</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1757;left:75"><nobr>The hot new fashions — who decides what they are? Tonight, meet the fashion</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1772;left:57"><nobr>elite. They practically dictate what shoppers get to choose from.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1786;left:76"><nobr>LYNN SHERR: How sure are you that what you purchased was right?</nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:10px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:1801;left:76"><nobr><b>ELLIN SALTZMAN. VP, Saks Fifth Avenue: 96.4%.</b></nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:1815;left:58"><nobr>ANNOUNCER: From the fashion runways of Paris to Sears selling floors, Lynn Sherr</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1830;left:57"><nobr>traces the journey new styles make, "From Paris to Peoria."</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1845;left:58"><nobr>DOWNS: Tonight, inside the toughest prison in the land. Now, many people have</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1860;left:58"><nobr>strong opinions about how prisoners should be treated, about what's cruel and unusual</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1874;left:57"><nobr>punishment, about how discipline should be enforced and even whether there should be</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1889;left:58"><nobr>rehabilitation efforts. So, depending on how you feel, you may either approve of or be</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1904;left:57"><nobr>disgusted by what you're about to see.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1918;left:58"><nobr>WALTERS: But you should know that it's part of a plan. At the federal penitentiary in</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1933;left:57"><nobr>Marion, Illinois, a get-tough hardline policy was deliberately put into effect several</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1947;left:58"><nobr>years ago. While some say the approach is gaining favor, critics charge that it's violat-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1962;left:58"><nobr>ing some inmates'human rights. See what you think. Tom Jarriel has our report.</nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:1989;left:188"><nobr><b>America's Toughest Prison</b></nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:2021;left:77"><nobr>PETER GABRIEL at Rock Concert for Amnesty International: This song is dedi-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2036;left:76"><nobr>cated to all the people in jail that Amnesty's now working for.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2051;left:59"><nobr>ANNOUNCER <i>[voice-over]: </i>Human rights is an issue most Americans agree on. The</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2065;left:59"><nobr>thousands of fans at this concert are supporting Amnesty International's fight against</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2080;left:59"><nobr>injustice at places like South Africa and the Soviet Union. <i>(Marion Prison Video) </i>Now</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2094;left:59"><nobr>there's one prison in America which Amnesty International questions — a place that</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2109;left:59"><nobr>makes little pretense at rehabilitation. Welcome to Marion in southern Illinois, the</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2124;left:59"><nobr>toughest federal penitentiary in the country.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2139;left:77"><nobr>TOM JARRIEL: What type of inmates do you have in here?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2153;left:78"><nobr>GARY HENMAN, Warden, Marlon Prison: Very aggressive, very hostile and very</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2169;left:78"><nobr>dangerous.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2183;left:78"><nobr>JARRIEL: Warden Gary Herman introduced us to Marion.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2198;left:79"><nobr>Mr. HENMAN: These people have been exposed to the normal ></nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2198;left:468"><nobr>ng of an open</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2213;left:78"><nobr>institution. In most cases, they have extreme assault backgrom</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2213;left:482"><nobr>-times even</nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:12px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:2242;left:294"><nobr>-2 —</nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=2 face="Times"><span style="font-size:4px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:2277;left:378"><nobr><b>•MMMMMMMMMM</b></nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2277;left:507"><nobr>•••••••••I</nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:1402;left:676"><nobr>homicide.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1416;left:658"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>Marion opened in 1963, gradually taking over the harsh mis-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1431;left:659"><nobr>sion of Alcatraz which closed that same year and had long been considered the end of</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1445;left:658"><nobr>the line. Marion holds around 400 men, often referred to as "bad apples." These are</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1460;left:658"><nobr>inmates who, authorities contend, are troublemakers within other prisons — killers,</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1475;left:658"><nobr>fighters, but also the rebels who must be tightly controlled.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1490;left:677"><nobr>Mr. HENMAN: The program wasn't established overnight. It was a continuing con-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1504;left:676"><nobr>cern regarding the safety of inmates and staff in an open institution.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1519;left:658"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>The Marion most visitors see is this one — quiet, orderly,</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1534;left:658"><nobr>machine-like. You could eat off the shiny floors. There is a gym but it gets very little</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1548;left:658"><nobr>use. Most prisoners have only a little more than one hour of recreation a day. The</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1562;left:658"><nobr>dining room stands empty. The men are fed microwaved meals pushed into their tiny</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1577;left:658"><nobr>cells where they live in strict isolation about 23 hours a day.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1592;left:677"><nobr>RANDY GOMETZ, Marion Prison Inmate: This cell here is about seven feet wide</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1607;left:676"><nobr>by nine feet deep and you got a concrete bed, metal rings there to chain people down</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1621;left:676"><nobr>with.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1636;left:658"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>Isolation at Marion affects prisoners' families and friends, too.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1651;left:658"><nobr>This is where visits take place when they take place at all. No physical contact is al-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1665;left:658"><nobr>lowed because authorities fear weapons or drugs will be smuggled in. Conversations</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1680;left:658"><nobr>are recorded and watched. Few families will journey to the remote prison for so little</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1694;left:658"><nobr>intimacy. On this visiting day, we saw just one inmate and his parents.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1709;left:676"><nobr><i>[interviewing] </i>Mrs. <i>[unintelligible], </i>what do you miss most? What's toughest on</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1724;left:676"><nobr>you about this arrangement?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1738;left:676"><nobr>INMATE'S MOTHER: I can't touch him.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1753;left:676"><nobr>JARRIEL: I know you've fought loyally— What is it?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1768;left:676"><nobr>INMATE'S MOTHER: I can't touch him. You know, I haven't touched him for 4-1/2</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1782;left:676"><nobr>years.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1797;left:676"><nobr>JARRIEL: No contact.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1812;left:676"><nobr>INMATE'S MOTHER: It's terrible. I want to wrap my arms around him but I can't.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1827;left:676"><nobr>JARRIEL: How close can you get through the glass:</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1841;left:677"><nobr>INMATE'S MOTHER: <i>[Putting hand on glass partition] </i>This is it.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1856;left:677"><nobr>INMATE'S FATHER: Touch him just like that. That's it.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1871;left:658"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>Here's one way Marion handles inmates who step out of line.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1885;left:658"><nobr>This is the SWRT Team, a squad that enforces the rules in an institution that doesn't</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1900;left:658"><nobr>fool around. This official tape was used in a court case charging brutality. The team —</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1915;left:658"><nobr>four strong armed men attired in helmets and pads — is called in whenever inmates</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1930;left:658"><nobr>challenge or disobey orders. They work with surgical precision, using any force that's</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1944;left:658"><nobr>necessary to subdue inmates physically and then chain them to keep control.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1959;left:677"><nobr>Mr. HENMAN: When they come here we watch them almost like a little baby, as</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1973;left:676"><nobr>little child. We don't give them any opportunity to screw up and that's why they are</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:1988;left:677"><nobr>restrained and that's why they are controlled and that's why they're in their cell</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2003;left:676"><nobr>most of the time.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2017;left:659"><nobr>JARRIEL: Timothy Blunk is serving 58 years for weapons possession.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2033;left:676"><nobr>TIMOTHY BLUNK. Marion Prison Inmate: It's forcing me to dive deeper into</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2047;left:676"><nobr>myself. It's like you dig a trench in your heart and you try and keep your own</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2062;left:676"><nobr>humanity from slipping through your fingers.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2077;left:659"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>This document, obtained by 20/20, indicates this high-security</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2092;left:659"><nobr>operation was imposed in stages, over years, according to plan. Initially, prisoners</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2106;left:659"><nobr>resisted implementation of the plan with work stoppages. When inmates killed two</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2121;left:659"><nobr>guards in this unit in 1983, the entire prison was locked down, that is, every man was</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2136;left:658"><nobr>confined to his cell to restore order. Usually, things then return to normal. Marion's</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2151;left:658"><nobr>lockdown was never lifted and officials say it never will be, pointing to this display of</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2165;left:658"><nobr>prisoner-made knives and shanks used in violent assaults, escape attempts and murders.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2180;left:658"><nobr>Former prison guard David Hale, however, told us he feels the initial violence that trig-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2195;left:658"><nobr>gered the lockdown, and the brutal overreaction that allegedly followed, could have</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2208;left:658"><nobr>been averted.</nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:10px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:2236;left:897"><nobr>3</nobr></div> </span></font> <div style="position:absolute;top:2281;left:0"><hr><table border=0 width=100%><tr><td bgcolor=eeeeee align=right><font face=arial,sans-serif><a name=3><b>Page 3</b></a></font></td></tr></table></div><font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:2319;left:75"><nobr>DAVID HALE, Former Prison Guard: I have been a prison guard for 13 years. I</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2334;left:75"><nobr>have beat inmates who have assaulted guards — they were aggressive inmates —</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2349;left:75"><nobr>but after the lockdown at Marion we went cell to cell and they beat inmates who</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2363;left:75"><nobr>were ideal inmates, had never caused the staff any trouble. It was just retaliation got</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2378;left:75"><nobr>out of hand.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2392;left:57"><nobr>JARRIEL: Hale was fired, he says, for telling the truth. The prison says he became</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2407;left:57"><nobr>mentally incompetent, suffering from Traumatic Stress Disorder, often associated with</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2422;left:57"><nobr>combat conditions. An inmate class action suit charging brutality and other abuses was</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2437;left:57"><nobr>heard in this federal courtroom built right inside the prison, but inmates' testimony was</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2451;left:57"><nobr>dismissed as not credible because the prisoners are convicted criminals. And former</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2466;left:57"><nobr>guard Rale's testimony was not supported by others. In a controversial decision which</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2481;left:57"><nobr>is now on appeal, the court upheld Marion's policy of absolute control. Meet Randy</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2495;left:57"><nobr>Gometz who aided in the murder of a guard.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2510;left:75"><nobr>JARRIEL: What were you doing?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2525;left:75"><nobr>RANDY GOMETZ. Marion Prison Inmate: I gave him the knife.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2539;left:75"><nobr>JARRIEL: Gave him the knife to kill the guard.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2554;left:75"><nobr>Mr.GOMETZ: Yes.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2569;left:74"><nobr>JARRIEL: So, could you have prevented it?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2584;left:75"><nobr>Mr. GOMETZ: No, I don't see how, I mean—</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2598;left:75"><nobr>JARRIEL: Without giving him the knife?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2612;left:75"><nobr>Mr. GOMETZ: It's not like I have a carte blanche on possession of knives, no. Ev-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2628;left:75"><nobr>erybody had knives.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2642;left:75"><nobr>JARRIEL: Here we've got Randy Gometz, bank robber, bank robber, bank robber,</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2657;left:75"><nobr>assault, assault with the killing of a correction officer. They've got you as an ex-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2671;left:75"><nobr>ample of control. Do they have you under control?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2686;left:76"><nobr>Mr. GOMETZ: Well, that's kind of a— that's a hard question to answer. What kind</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2701;left:75"><nobr>of control are we talking about—</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2716;left:76"><nobr>JARRIEL: You're the example.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2730;left:76"><nobr>Mr.GOMETZ: Physical or mental?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2745;left:75"><nobr>JARRIEL: Physical control. They can do anything they want.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2760;left:76"><nobr>Mr. GOMETZ: Physically, absolutely.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2774;left:58"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>Here's a case in point, caught on the prison camera. Gometz in</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2789;left:58"><nobr>his cell challenges an order. The team is summoned.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2804;left:76"><nobr><i>[interviewing] </i>Have you threatened guards, told them while you were in your cell</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2819;left:76"><nobr>block you'd kill them?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2833;left:77"><nobr>Mr. GOMETZ: Sure I've threatened them.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2849;left:77"><nobr>JARRIEL: Did you mean it?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2863;left:77"><nobr>Mr. GOMETZ: Well, I mean, it's the only thing I can do. I mean, I'm in the cage,</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2878;left:77"><nobr>they're coming by, agitating me. They'll leave the light on — it's a blaring— it's</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2893;left:77"><nobr>probably brighter than this one here — at 12 o'clock at night, playing like they can't</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2908;left:77"><nobr>see me in there and then they'll just leave it on. I mean, they do things of this na-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2922;left:77"><nobr>ture, steadily ribbing me, poking me, agitating me and there's nothing else I can do</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2937;left:77"><nobr>except jump up and bark.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2952;left:59"><nobr>JARRIEL: I think the guards here feel the tension, too. Lt. Jay Restivo is veteran.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2966;left:77"><nobr><i>[imervewing] </i>Are you just paranoid or is there really a risk here?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2981;left:78"><nobr>Lt. JAMES RESTIVO, Correctional Supervisor: No, we're not paranoid. There's</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2995;left:77"><nobr>really a risk here, albeit that statistics in the past will prove that: the violence, the</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3011;left:77"><nobr>murders, the assaults that have occurred here, yeah.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3025;left:60"><nobr>JARRIEL: John Greschner was convicted of murder while in prison. He's not a man</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3040;left:60"><nobr>they take chances with.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3054;left:78"><nobr>JOHN GRESCHNER. Marion Prison Inmate: Every time I'm outside the unit, I'm</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3070;left:78"><nobr>like this. Anytime I'm going from, say, my cell through the recreation cage or to the</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3084;left:78"><nobr>shower room, I'm in leg irons and I'm handcuffed behind my back and I have three</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3100;left:77"><nobr>guards with me with sticks and one holds the handcuffs.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3114;left:60"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>It is chaining practices like these that upset Amnesty Interna-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3129;left:60"><nobr>tional which says that the minimum rules for prisoners adopted by the United Nations</nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:10px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:3155;left:298"><nobr>4</nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:2322;left:658"><nobr>and ratified by the United States are being violated. Ronnie Bruscino is serving life</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2336;left:657"><nobr>plus eight years.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2350;left:676"><nobr>RONNIE BRUSCINO, Marion Prison Inmate: Amnesty International came in here.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2365;left:675"><nobr>They said, hey, every day this institution runs like it does, you're violating the</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2380;left:676"><nobr>United Nations minimal standards for prisoners here. The United States, I don't</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2394;left:675"><nobr>think they want to hear that.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2409;left:676"><nobr>DAVID MATAS, Amnesty International Observer: No chains or irons, that's what</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2424;left:676"><nobr>the standard minimums — rules — say. It's— Restraints can be used — handcuffs,</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2439;left:676"><nobr>that sort of thing — only when necessary and for as long as necessary.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2453;left:676"><nobr>JARRIEL: Amnesty International criticized your prison specifically in this area of</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2468;left:676"><nobr>minimum rules for the treatment of prisoners as set up by the United Nations. Are</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2482;left:676"><nobr>you familiar with the rules in this?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2497;left:677"><nobr>Mr. HENMAN: I'm familiar with the document. I certainly haven't seen that docu-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2512;left:676"><nobr>ment for a long time, but I know—</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2526;left:677"><nobr>JARRIEL: Chaining is what they are specifically most worried about.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2541;left:677"><nobr>Mr. HENMAN: Chaining and restraining and two different things. We don't chain</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2556;left:676"><nobr>inmates, we restrain inmates.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2571;left:677"><nobr>RANDY GOMETZ. Marion Prison Inmate: They tear your clothes off and chain you</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2585;left:676"><nobr>buck naked to a bed. There it is.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2600;left:677"><nobr>JARRIEL: How long?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2615;left:678"><nobr>Mr. GOMETZ: Whenever their whim says "let him up." I've seen it. I've been</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2630;left:677"><nobr>chained down only for like 12, 18 hours. I've been chained down for a day and a</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2644;left:677"><nobr>half, two days, I've seen guys chained down for three or four days.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2659;left:677"><nobr>JARRIEL: Was an inmate lying today when he told me that he had been chained,</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2674;left:677"><nobr>spreadeagled nude onto his cell, in chains — not restraints but in chains — for over</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2688;left:678"><nobr>a day?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2703;left:678"><nobr>Mr. HENMAN: That could have happened. Not the two years that I've been here.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2718;left:677"><nobr>Restraining an inmate to his bed for a period of time is not something unique to</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2732;left:676"><nobr>Marion whatsoever.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2747;left:658"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>Critics also questioned the guidelines that are used to put men</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2762;left:659"><nobr>in Marion. A congressional study found that a majority of the inmates were not classi-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2777;left:659"><nobr>fied as needing the highest security level. Only 70 of the nearly 400 inmates here fully</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2791;left:658"><nobr>met those criteria, according to that 1984 study. 20/20 found some prisoners who clear-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2806;left:658"><nobr>ly are in the wrong place. Cuban detainees involved in those prison riots against</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2820;left:658"><nobr>deportation to Cuba were transferred to Marion despite a government promise to ex-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2835;left:658"><nobr>pedite reviews and releases.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2850;left:677"><nobr>GREGORIO PARDO-CERVANTES: I no think that this is the right place for them to</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2865;left:676"><nobr>put us...out to die. You know what I am saying? Because we did nothing wrong.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2880;left:676"><nobr>We no hurt nobody. We did nothing wrong to nobody. All we did was work, work</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2894;left:676"><nobr>for freedom.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2909;left:676"><nobr>JARRIEL: Do you think they would have given up and negotiated an end to the</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2924;left:676"><nobr>hostage situation if they had known they were going to wind up in what's known as</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2938;left:676"><nobr>the toughest prison in America?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2953;left:677"><nobr>Mr.HENMAN: I can't answer that except my response is it's strictly a temporary</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2967;left:676"><nobr>housing arrangement for them until we can provide other bed space for them.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2982;left:658"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>There's now a program designed to let the men work their way</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:2997;left:658"><nobr>out and the Warden says it's effective, with over 300 men released from Marion since</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3012;left:660"><nobr>1983 and only 20 returning. Imam Hakim is serving 25 years for bank robbery and as-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3026;left:658"><nobr>sault.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3042;left:676"><nobr><i>[interviewing] </i>They say it's working. They said that if you behave yourself you can</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3056;left:676"><nobr>work your way out of here.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3071;left:677"><nobr>IMAM HAKIM. Marion Prison Inmate: Again another exaggerated position. I al-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3086;left:676"><nobr>most say it's an entire lie because guys have been processed out of this place and the</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3101;left:676"><nobr>rate has increased but the rules in here change so much that you don't know whether</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3115;left:676"><nobr>you're doing right or wrong.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3130;left:677"><nobr>Mr. HENMAN: There's only one rule and that's for the inmates to be responsible for</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3161;left:880"><nobr>— 5 —</nobr></div> </span></font> <div style="position:absolute;top:3199;left:0"><hr><table border=0 width=100%><tr><td bgcolor=eeeeee align=right><font face=arial,sans-serif><a name=4><b>Page 4</b></a></font></td></tr></table></div><font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:3232;left:76"><nobr>their own behavior.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3246;left:58"><nobr>JARRIEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>Marion's ultimate impact may be felt when these men return to</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3261;left:58"><nobr>society. Many will. William Johnson was convicted of bank robbery and assault.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3275;left:76"><nobr>WILLIAM JOHNSON. Marion Prison Inmate: I believe I spend most of my time</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3290;left:76"><nobr>dwelling on revenge. This is something that actually invade my dreams and, when</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3305;left:77"><nobr>I'm conscious, in my wakening hours. I realize it was just a dream and probably just</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3319;left:76"><nobr>the manifestations of my frustrations from being in here but I also realize there's</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3334;left:77"><nobr>some guys going to be weak and they're not going to be able to differentiate reality</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3349;left:77"><nobr>from them dreams. And maybe when they leave here they might enact these</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3363;left:76"><nobr>dreams, see? And that's why we speaking of madness — this is madness — because</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3378;left:76"><nobr>I have no business dreaming dreams like the dreams I have.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3393;left:76"><nobr>JARRIEL: What kind of dreams do you have?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3407;left:77"><nobr>Mr. JOHNSON: Just being up on a tower and just shooting down everything that</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3423;left:76"><nobr>moves.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3437;left:76"><nobr>JOHN GRESCHNER: I don't envy you or any of you peoples' positions, society's</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3452;left:76"><nobr>position, I don't envy you. The people that they burn out in here that they tear down</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3467;left:77"><nobr>and make deteriorate so deeply that when they're ultimately released — I don't envy</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3481;left:77"><nobr>any of you people having to either meet or deal with the monsters that are going to</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3496;left:76"><nobr>be crawling up out of them ashes, man.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3510;left:76"><nobr>JARRIEL: Every man we met, without exception, expressed that same feeling,</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3525;left:77"><nobr>Hugh, that the rage which is built into this system might be uncontrollable. They</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3540;left:76"><nobr>don't mean it as a threat, they mean it as a statement of fact.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3555;left:77"><nobr>DOWNS: A statement of fact. Now if this tough technique I suppose— is supposed</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3570;left:77"><nobr>to suppress misbehavior and to break the people—</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3584;left:77"><nobr>JARRIEL: Right.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3599;left:77"><nobr>DOWNS: Does it work?</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3613;left:77"><nobr>JARRIEL: Total control. It's a little too early to yet say. The prison authorities</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3628;left:77"><nobr>point to successes, the men who are there say it will take years before they can see</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3643;left:77"><nobr>what impact this has when and if they're released. It certainly is a popular concept.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3657;left:76"><nobr>Twenty states now have looked at Marion, the Marion model, and they like what</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3673;left:77"><nobr>they see. There's also a women's version of this at Lexington, Kentucky, where</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3687;left:77"><nobr>they have women kept under similar conditions and they're about to expand that. So</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3702;left:77"><nobr>it may be the prison of the future.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3717;left:77"><nobr>DOWNS: Thank you, Tom.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3732;left:77"><nobr>WALTERS: Well, later in the hour: who decides and how do they decide which new</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3746;left:77"><nobr>fashions deserve to be in our stores? Lynn Sherr reports "From Paris to Peoria."</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3761;left:77"><nobr>but next, John Stossel with an expert who says linking pollutants to cancer is often a</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3775;left:77"><nobr>mistake. 'Much Ado About Nothing?" right after this.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3790;left:78"><nobr><i>[Commercial break]</i></nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:16px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:3815;left:192"><nobr><b>Much Ado About Nothing?</b></nobr></div> </span></font> <font size=3 face="Times"><span style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times"> <div style="position:absolute;top:3849;left:60"><nobr>DOWNS: Warning: this next report may be hazardous to your beliefs. For two decades</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3864;left:60"><nobr>now, we of the media have brought story after story where experts warn of links be-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3878;left:60"><nobr>tween all kinds of pollutants and cancer. But tonight a distinguished research scientist</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3893;left:60"><nobr>makes a case that many of the warnings we hear are unnecessary, that all the concern</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3908;left:61"><nobr>about this toxin, and that pesticide, is "Much Ado About Nothing." Wouldn't it be</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3923;left:61"><nobr>nice if he was right? Is he right? Has fear and hysteria replaced common sense? Well,</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3937;left:61"><nobr>John Stossel looks at the polluted world according to Dr. Ames.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3952;left:61"><nobr>JOHN STOSSEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>It seems every day another chemical is linked to cancer.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3967;left:80"><nobr>ANNOUNCER: Asbestos causes cancer.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3982;left:80"><nobr>ANNOUNCER: An exposure to toxic chemicals may be a leading cause of lung can-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3997;left:80"><nobr>cer.</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:4011;left:62"><nobr>JOHN STOSSEL <i>[voice-over]: </i>Sometimes it makes you feel as if nothing is safe. But</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:4027;left:62"><nobr>today a number of well-respected scientists say,' 'This is nonsense.''</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:4041;left:80"><nobr>Dr. BRUCE AMES, Cancer Researcher: We're the healthiest people is human his-</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3249;left:656"><nobr>S</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3264;left:656"><nobr>se</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3322;left:656"><nobr>S</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3337;left:656"><nobr>th</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3351;left:656"><nobr>sc</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3366;left:656"><nobr>pr</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3381;left:656"><nobr>do</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3395;left:656"><nobr>de</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3410;left:657"><nobr>"I</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3424;left:655"><nobr>ju</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3439;left:656"><nobr>re</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3454;left:656"><nobr>as</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3468;left:656"><nobr>if</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3483;left:656"><nobr>th</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3498;left:656"><nobr>ch</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3571;left:657"><nobr>S</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3586;left:657"><nobr>ch</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3644;left:657"><nobr>S</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3658;left:656"><nobr>ch</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3673;left:656"><nobr>ce</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3688;left:656"><nobr>is</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3702;left:657"><nobr>C</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3717;left:656"><nobr>do</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3732;left:656"><nobr>st</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3747;left:656"><nobr>m</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3761;left:656"><nobr>da</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3922;left:656"><nobr>ST</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3937;left:656"><nobr>ri</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3952;left:656"><nobr>ra</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3966;left:656"><nobr>po</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3981;left:656"><nobr>su</nobr></div> <div style="position:absolute;top:3996;left:656"><nobr>w</nobr></div> </span></font> </body> </html>