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data-file-height="512"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_University_of_California" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject University of California">University of California</a> <span class="wpb-header-bubbles import-low">Low‑importance</span></td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Seal_of_the_University_of_California.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Seal_of_the_University_of_California.svg/75px-Seal_of_the_University_of_California.svg.png" decoding="async" width="75" height="75" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Seal_of_the_University_of_California.svg/113px-Seal_of_the_University_of_California.svg.png 1.5x, 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The editor(s) involved may be new; please <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith" title="Wikipedia:Assume good faith">assume good faith</a> regarding their contributions before making changes.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Women in Red</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Women in Red</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Women in Red articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1259570071"><table class="tmbox tmbox-notice mw-collapsible innercollapse wpb wpb-table"><tbody><tr class="wpb-header"><td class="wpb-header-icon"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png/35px-1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png" decoding="async" width="35" height="15" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png/53px-1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png/70px-1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="260"/></a></span></td><td class="wpb-header-combined"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Religion" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Religion">Women in Religion</a> <span class="wpb-header-bubbles import-low">Low‑importance</span></td></tr><tr><td class="mbox-text wpb-main" colspan="2"><table><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image wpb-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png" class="mw-file-description"><img alt="WikiProject icon" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png/80px-1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png" decoding="async" width="80" height="35" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png/120px-1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png/160px-1000_women_in_religion_2019_update.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="260"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">This article is within the scope of the <b><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Religion" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Religion">Women in Religion WikiProject</a></b>, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Women in religion. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Women in Religion</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Religion</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Women in Religion</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">Women in Religion articles</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr><tr><td class="assess import-low"><a href="/wiki/Category:Low-importance_Women_in_Religion_articles" title="Category:Low-importance Women in Religion articles">Low</a></td><td class="mbox-text" colspan="2">This article has been rated as <b>Low-importance</b> on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Religion/Article_grading#Importance_scale" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Religion/Article grading">project's importance scale</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <p class="mw-empty-elt"> </p> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Which_portrait?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Which_portrait?-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"><span id="Which_portrait.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Which_portrait?-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"></span>Which portrait?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Which_portrait?-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hannah_Arendt&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Which portrait?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z-Which_portrait?"></span>I recently changed the lead image to this one from 1933 (left): </p> <figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Hannah_Arendt_1933.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Hannah_Arendt_1933.jpg/200px-Hannah_Arendt_1933.jpg" decoding="async" width="200" height="247" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Hannah_Arendt_1933.jpg/300px-Hannah_Arendt_1933.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Hannah_Arendt_1933.jpg/400px-Hannah_Arendt_1933.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1246" data-file-height="1541"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>My argument was that this image has a <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1248585704">@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{color:#00B785}}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk{font-family:Georgia,"DejaVu Serif",serif;color:#008560;quotes:none}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-italic{font-family:inherit;font-style:italic}.mw-parser-output .inline-quote-talk-marks{quotes:"\"""\""}</style><q class="inline-quote-talk">clearer view of face, better lighting, etc.</q> Overall I find this image much more striking, and the contrast is excellent. It's really a true <i>portrait</i> of the individual. </p><p>Francisoftheforest then reverted back to this one from 1958 (right): </p> <figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress,_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff,_FM-2019-1-5-9-16.jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16.jpg/230px-Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16.jpg" decoding="async" width="230" height="229" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16.jpg/345px-Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16.jpg/460px-Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16.jpg 2x" data-file-width="2000" data-file-height="1994"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Their argument was: <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1248585704"><q class="inline-quote-talk">Putting back previous infobox image: in the 1930s, Arendt was running away from the Nazis (note the look in her eyes); in the 1950s, WWII was over and her work was taking off (note her smile)</q> </p><p>Would anyone else like to weigh in on this? <a href="/wiki/User:Generalrelative" title="User:Generalrelative">Generalrelative</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Generalrelative" title="User talk:Generalrelative">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z-Which_portrait?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z-Which_portrait?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z-Which_portrait?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-129.67.173.14-20230508143500-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"></span>Given Wikipedia's concern for notability, I think its preferable that the lead image be of Arendt at the height of her literary output (i.e, during the period for which she is most noteworthy) and not a picture from her youth. It is the norm on Wikipedia for philosophers and political theorists to be depicted in maturity. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/129.67.173.14" title="Special:Contributions/129.67.173.14">129.67.173.14</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:129.67.173.14" title="User talk:129.67.173.14">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-129.67.173.14-20230508143500-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-129.67.173.14-20230508143500-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-129.67.173.14-20230508143500-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-209.37.78.211-20231208213600-129.67.173.14-20230508143500"></span>It should be from the height of her output. Look at other pictures of great thinkers. Hers stands out for being too young. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/209.37.78.211" title="Special:Contributions/209.37.78.211">209.37.78.211</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:209.37.78.211&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:209.37.78.211 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-209.37.78.211-20231208213600-129.67.173.14-20230508143500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-209.37.78.211-20231208213600-129.67.173.14-20230508143500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-209.37.78.211-20231208213600-129.67.173.14-20230508143500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Generalrelative" title="User:Generalrelative"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AR3D666-20231010075200-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"></span>@Generalrelative</a></dd> <dd>I don't have a good reason to choose any from other, I do find they we can do better with the quality and AI enhanced versions. Colored or reconstruction. Thoughts? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AR3D666&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AR3D666 (page does not exist)">AR3D666</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AR3D666&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:AR3D666 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-AR3D666-20231010075200-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AR3D666-20231010075200-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AR3D666-20231010075200-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JimRenge-20231010084300-AR3D666-20231010075200"></span>I prefer the cropped version <figure class="mw-default-size" typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress,_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff,_FM-2019-1-5-9-16_(cropped).jpg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16_%28cropped%29.jpg/130px-Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16_%28cropped%29.jpg" decoding="async" width="130" height="171" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16_%28cropped%29.jpg/195px-Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16_%28cropped%29.jpg 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16_%28cropped%29.jpg/260px-Hannah_Arendt_auf_dem_1._Kulturkritikerkongress%2C_Barbara_Niggl_Radloff%2C_FM-2019-1-5-9-16_%28cropped%29.jpg 2x" data-file-width="1323" data-file-height="1740"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>. <a href="/wiki/User:JimRenge" title="User:JimRenge">JimRenge</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JimRenge" title="User talk:JimRenge">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-JimRenge-20231010084300-AR3D666-20231010075200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:43, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JimRenge-20231010084300-AR3D666-20231010075200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JimRenge-20231010084300-AR3D666-20231010075200"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Generalrelative-20231010141900-AR3D666-20231010075200"></span>AR3D666: I'm afraid that I don't quite understand the question. Which enhanced versions are you referring to? Can you show us? <a href="/wiki/User:Generalrelative" title="User:Generalrelative">Generalrelative</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Generalrelative" title="User talk:Generalrelative">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Generalrelative-20231010141900-AR3D666-20231010075200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Generalrelative-20231010141900-AR3D666-20231010075200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Generalrelative-20231010141900-AR3D666-20231010075200"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SnailsSpace-20231212172900-Generalrelative-20231010141900"></span>I would also vote for that one. Reading the article, and I don't know much about her except read one of her books in college, I noticed that the young picture seemed unusual. <a href="/wiki/User:SnailsSpace" title="User:SnailsSpace">SnailsSpace</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SnailsSpace" title="User talk:SnailsSpace">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-SnailsSpace-20231212172900-Generalrelative-20231010141900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SnailsSpace-20231212172900-Generalrelative-20231010141900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SnailsSpace-20231212172900-Generalrelative-20231010141900"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Zanahary-20240531214600-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"></span>Agreed. I'll go ahead and change it now. <a href="/wiki/User:Zanahary" title="User:Zanahary">Zanahary</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Zanahary" title="User talk:Zanahary">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Zanahary-20240531214600-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Zanahary-20240531214600-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Zanahary-20240531214600-Generalrelative-2022-06-07T05:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GA_Reassessment" data-mw-thread-id="h-GA_Reassessment-20230219025500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GA_Reassessment-20230219025500"></span>GA Reassessment<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GA_Reassessment-20230219025500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hannah_Arendt&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: GA Reassessment"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Hannah_Arendt" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hannah_Arendt-GA_Reassessment-20230219025500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hannah_Arendt-GA_Reassessment-20230219025500"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Hannah_Arendt/1" title="Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Hannah Arendt/1">Hannah Arendt</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hannah_Arendt-GA_Reassessment-20230219025500"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Hannah_Arendt/1&action=edit&section=T-1" title="Edit section: Hannah Arendt"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Iazyges-20230307053100-Hannah_Arendt"></span><style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1253666686">.mw-parser-output div.archive-top.archive-top-green{background-color:#eaffea;color:#000}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output div.archive-top.archive-top-green{background-color:#00261e;color:#fff}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output div.archive-top.archive-top-green{background-color:#00261e;color:#fff}}</style> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1250141580">.mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#EDEAFF;color:inherit;padding:0 0.6em;border:1px solid #8779DD}.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#c3c3c3;color:inherit;text-align:center;font-size:110%;font-weight:bold}@media screen{html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top{background-color:#181424;border:1px solid #8072d6;color:#fff}html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .archive-top-result .side-box-abovebelow{background-color:#141126;color:#fff}}@media(min-width:640px){.mw-parser-output .archive-top-result{width:30%}}</style><div class="boilerplate archived archive-top mw-archivedtalk archive-top-green" style=""> <div class="boilerplate-header" style="margin-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic;"> <p>The following discussion is closed. <strong style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</strong> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. </p> </div> <hr/> <dl><dd><span class="plainlinks"><a href="/wiki/Hannah_Arendt" title="Hannah Arendt"><b>Article</b></a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Hannah_Arendt" title="Special:EditPage/Hannah Arendt">edit</a> | <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Arendt&veaction=edit">visual edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Hannah_Arendt" title="Special:PageHistory/Hannah Arendt">history</a>)</span> <b>·</b> <a class="mw-selflink selflink"><b>Article talk</b></a> <span class="plainlinks">(<a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/Talk:Hannah_Arendt" title="Special:EditPage/Talk:Hannah Arendt">edit</a> | <a href="/wiki/Special:PageHistory/Talk:Hannah_Arendt" title="Special:PageHistory/Talk:Hannah Arendt">history</a>)</span> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Arendt&action=watch"><b>Watch</b></a></span> • <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/Hannah_Arendt/1&action=watch">Watch article reassessment page</a></span> • <a href="/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt/GA1" title="Talk:Hannah Arendt/GA1">Most recent review</a></dd> <dd><span> <b>Result</b>: First contentious close as GAR Coord: The consensus seems to be towards <b>Keep</b>. Length discussions are not really under the purview of GA Criteria, except per 3b: "it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)". Given that the topic at hand is the life of an individual, the necessity of detail is much vaguer and possibly more subjective than it might be for many other topics. While I do agree that the length should be considered excessive from a MOS standpoint, I don't really see any violation of 3b taking place, as most events directly relate to the subject. Sections should, IMO, be spun off into their own articles, with many possibilities such as an article on her early life, works/literature, and a subpage about her relationship to the Eichmann trial, among others. After that, these subjects can be linked, and discussed in less detail here, to cut down on the size. As many experienced editors are involved, I would suggest taking to the talk page to coordinate this process.</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Iazyges" title="User:Iazyges"><span style="color:#838996">Iazyges</span></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Iazyges" title="User talk:Iazyges"><span style="color:#838996">Consermonor</span></a> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Iazyges" title="Special:Contributions/Iazyges"><span style="color:#838996">Opus meum</span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Iazyges-20230307053100-Hannah_Arendt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 7 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Iazyges-20230307053100-Hannah_Arendt"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Iazyges-20230307053100-Hannah_Arendt"></span><br/></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carchasm-20230219025500-Hannah_Arendt"></span>Way <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOLONG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOLONG">WP:TOOLONG</a>, needs to be split into multiple articles <a href="/wiki/User:Carchasm" title="User:Carchasm"> - car chasm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Carchasm" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Carchasm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Carchasm-20230219025500-Hannah_Arendt" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carchasm-20230219025500-Hannah_Arendt"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carchasm-20230219025500-Hannah_Arendt"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230219042100-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>Keep:</b> As can be seen in the Talk page comments, there are divided opinions on this, so would recommend leaving alone. Besides which, it is easy to say something is too long and should be split up, but a biography does not lend itself easily to such treatment, eg it does not make much sense to have a page on Arendt's childhhod and another on her final illness. Many sections are already summaries of other articles- particularly her writings and the Eichmann controversy. It would be interesting to see the views of the reviewer (J Milburn) although they are not very active at present. CodexJustin was also involved (notified). If anything, the review process actually asked for expansion. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230219042100-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:21, 19 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230219042100-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230219042100-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carchasm-20230219045100-Michael_Goodyear-20230219042100"></span>We do split biography articles all the time, some philosophers such as <a href="/wiki/Plato" title="Plato">Plato</a> and <a href="/wiki/Aristotle" title="Aristotle">Aristotle</a> have almost 100 subpages.</dd> <dd>While there were divided opinions on the talk page, the editors who were in favor of keeping the article unsplit did not make any arguments based on policy. I believe the cleanup banner I added should not be removed until the issue is addressed. Do you feel that the article should remain listed with a cleanup banner? <a href="/wiki/User:Carchasm" title="User:Carchasm"> - car chasm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Carchasm" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Carchasm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Carchasm-20230219045100-Michael_Goodyear-20230219042100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carchasm-20230219045100-Michael_Goodyear-20230219042100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carchasm-20230219045100-Michael_Goodyear-20230219042100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carchasm-20230219060100-Carchasm-20230219045100"></span>And to make it clear, I believe this article was promoted in error, as it <i><a href="/wiki/Reasonable_person" title="Reasonable person">very clearly</a></i> does not meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GAN" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GAN">WP:GAN</a>. The only thing that needs to be settled here is whether or not improvements can be made, not whether or not the article passes the criteria, which it very obviously does <b>not </b>do in its current state. <a href="/wiki/User:Carchasm" title="User:Carchasm"> - car chasm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Carchasm" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Carchasm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Carchasm-20230219060100-Carchasm-20230219045100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:01, 19 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carchasm-20230219060100-Carchasm-20230219045100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carchasm-20230219060100-Carchasm-20230219045100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femke-20230219113000-Carchasm-20230219060100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Carchasm" title="User:Carchasm">Carchasm</a>: I believe you misunderstand <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_size" title="Wikipedia:Article size">WP:Article size</a>. In your edit summary, you state that <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Arendt&diff=prev&oldid=1140231323&diffmode=source">the article is 3x too long</a>. You seem to be confusing readable prose (93k) with total article length (275k). The article is at the very end of the range of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOBIG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOBIG">WP:TOOBIG</a>. Article size is not mentioned in the GA criteria, but it is relevant for two criteria: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Summary_style" title="Wikipedia:Summary style">WP:summary style</a>: are there irrelevant details?</li> <li>Possibly controversially, I believe long articles sometimes don't comply with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Make_technical_articles_understandable" title="Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable">Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable</a>; reading overly long sections is difficult for nonexperts.</li></ul></dd> <dd>The article underwent a thorough GA review in 2019, and I see no faults there. Article size was mentioned as a concern, and some work was done to address this. I think a bit more can and should be done. <ol><li>The <a href="/wiki/Hannah_Arendt#List_of_selected_publications" title="Hannah Arendt">Hannah_Arendt#List_of_selected_publications</a> section is so large that it does not help the reader. It seems to be text that should be under 'further reading', and comply with the selection criteria of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Further_reading" title="Wikipedia:Further reading">WP:further reading</a>.</li> <li>I see a lot of harvnb errors in the bibliography. Where all of these works actually used? The inline citations are very clean, so I have doubts (maybe not relevant for GA?)</li> <li>The <i>The Death of Truth: Notes on Falsehood in the Age of Trump</i> seems to get undue attention.. Was this such a seminal book that it requires</li></ol></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Femke" title="User:Femke">—Femke 🐦</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femke" title="User talk:Femke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Femke-20230219113000-Carchasm-20230219060100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femke-20230219113000-Carchasm-20230219060100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femke-20230219113000-Carchasm-20230219060100"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230219200400-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>Comments</b> The momumental folly which is the List of selected publications section needs to be moved to some other article (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTDATABASE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOTDATABASE">WP:NOTDATABASE</a>). Unsure about the numerous sections in the work section, which are a) crossing into <a href="/wiki/MOS:OVERSECTION" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:OVERSECTION">MOS:OVERSECTION</a> and b) sometimes rather too reliant on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">primary sources</a>. Some notes lack in basic grammar, while others need not exist at all (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GACR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GACR">GA criteria 1a and 3b</a>). Otherwise, a very good article, and I don't think the size issues hold too much water. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29" title="User talk:AirshipJungleman29">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-AirshipJungleman29-20230219200400-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:04, 19 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230219200400-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230219200400-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230220194800-AirshipJungleman29-20230219200400"></span>Delist</b> on discovering that the article violates <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GACR" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GACR">GA criterion 2a</a>; it does not satisfy <a href="/wiki/MOS:FNNR" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:FNNR">the layout style guidelines</a> as the references are split between the middle and the end of the article. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29" title="User talk:AirshipJungleman29">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-AirshipJungleman29-20230220194800-AirshipJungleman29-20230219200400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230220194800-AirshipJungleman29-20230219200400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230220194800-AirshipJungleman29-20230219200400"></span> <dl><dd><small><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femke-20230220201800-AirshipJungleman29-20230220194800"></span>A friendly note that <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Arendt&diff=prev&oldid=1140586278">this</a> may not have been the most encouraging edit summary.</small> <a href="/wiki/User:Femke" title="User:Femke">—Femke 🐦</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femke" title="User talk:Femke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Femke-20230220201800-AirshipJungleman29-20230220194800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 20 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femke-20230220201800-AirshipJungleman29-20230220194800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femke-20230220201800-AirshipJungleman29-20230220194800"></span></dd></dl></li></ul></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20230220175400-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>Keep</b> but consider a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIZESPLIT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIZESPLIT">WP:SIZESPLIT</a>. I think a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SUMMARY" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SUMMARY">WP:SUMMARY</a>-style child article about her work/theory/views could be useful in its own right. The "List of selected publications" might just need to go. <a href="/wiki/User:Thebiguglyalien" title="User:Thebiguglyalien">Thebiguglyalien</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thebiguglyalien" title="User talk:Thebiguglyalien">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Thebiguglyalien-20230220175400-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:54, 20 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thebiguglyalien-20230220175400-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thebiguglyalien-20230220175400-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span></li></ul> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230221022200-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>Comment</b> A long article, but one with few existing subpages and no argument has been put forth as to which prose part might be particularly undue. (Perhaps some areas might be worth their own article, but that might not necessarily mean the current text here is undue.) I would agree the long publication list could be its own listicle though, keeping the notable ones mentioned in prose as the current article already does. Some prose might need tightening ("Arendt had close friendships"), and a bit of oversubsectioning, but I wouldn't delist just on that basis. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Chipmunkdavis-20230221022200-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:22, 21 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230221022200-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230221022200-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173500-Chipmunkdavis-20230221022200"></span>Others have pointed out that GA2a is not met. This is a more clearcut issue, and needs to be addressed. There are also quite a few citations to primary sources, which need a closer look. Some may not be being used as references, for example the source after "She also draws on Arendt's essay "Lying in Politics" from <i>Crises in the Republic</i>" appears to be there to provide a link to the <i>Crises in the Republic</i> source. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173500-Chipmunkdavis-20230221022200" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173500-Chipmunkdavis-20230221022200"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173500-Chipmunkdavis-20230221022200"></span></dd></dl></li> <li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Etriusus-20230221030900-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>Keep</b> <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOLONG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOLONG">WP:TOOLONG</a> isn't explicitly in the realm of GAR (I've personally never seen it used as justification), though I can see it as a MOS issue. Apart from some sourcing concerns, wordpress, 'Hannah Arendt Center' likely being primary sourcing, and Youtube, I am not seeing anything that would immediately howl 'delist'. I haven't taken the time to go source by source so please consider that. Also, the references for this page are a beast, which is likely a source of much of the bloat. Frankly a separate article 'Works of Hannah Arendt' is in order. Otherwise the article is very well written and it'll be a hard sell to delist simply on length grounds. 🏵️<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;"><a href="/wiki/User:Etriusus" title="User:Etriusus"><i><b>Etrius</b></i></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Etriusus" title="User talk:Etriusus"> Us</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Etriusus-20230221030900-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Etriusus-20230221030900-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Etriusus-20230221030900-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carchasm-20230221232700-Etriusus-20230221030900"></span>Comment</b> - My logic on not meeting the good article criteria was <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOLONG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOLONG">WP:TOOLONG</a> -> should have a cleanup banner -> doesn't meet GA criterion 3. I think some of the confusion might be that article size is often judged solely on the size of the article body, but the references and bibliography are a big part of the issue here, it's just so long that it's hard to scroll even on desktop. I agree though that I think a bibliography/works article and cleanup of the references would probably fix most or perhaps all of the specific problem, though. <a href="/wiki/User:Carchasm" title="User:Carchasm"> - car chasm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Carchasm" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Carchasm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Carchasm-20230221232700-Etriusus-20230221030900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carchasm-20230221232700-Etriusus-20230221030900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carchasm-20230221232700-Etriusus-20230221030900"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221040100-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>Comment:</b> Articles can always be "improved", whether GA or FA, although some, no doubt well intentioned, attempts post promotion are often unhelpful. There were no inline citations originally. However, the issue at question is an attempt to delist on the basis of length, and that needs to be the focus. <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:TOOLONG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:TOOLONG">WP:TOOLONG</a> is being overinterpreted here, it actually urges caution. I understand that the nominator has very strong feelings that it should never have been promoted in the first place, but there is no concensus on that. No convincing evidence has been advanced to delist on the basis of length. Arendt's influence has been profound, and every few months another article appears stressing her relevance to the current world. If anything, I kept the parts relating to her life after coming to the US relatively short, compared to the definitive biography, because it was relatively uneventful, other than the Eichmann affair.</dd> <dd>It is true that it is a common practice, where a list of publications is long, that they are often listed separately, however here they form part of the biblography, and moving them would throw the citations into chaos. However I could look at trimming it to the works cited and copy the full list to a daughter page (I have actually started a subpage). In the meantime I have capped the TOC, which saves some space.</dd> <dd>Two examples of "split" philosopher biographies, Plato and Aristotle (a GA) were cited, however they are distinguishable because the subpages appropriately lead to discussions of Platonism and Aristotelism, which is not the case here. Interesting and useful discussion. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221040100-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:01, 21 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221040100-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221040100-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femke-20230221173300-Michael_Goodyear-20230221040100"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a>: could you change your 'keep' !vote to 'comment'. It now seems like you're !voting twice.</dd> <dd>There is precedent having separate bibliographies about people such as <a href="/wiki/List_of_works_about_S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard" class="mw-redirect" title="List of works about Søren Kierkegaard">List of works about Søren Kierkegaard</a> and <a href="/wiki/Bibliography_of_works_on_Davy_Crockett" title="Bibliography of works on Davy Crockett">Bibliography of works on Davy Crockett</a>. I agree with AirshipJungleman that is necessary to meet criterion 2a. It hides which sources are actually used. <a href="/wiki/User:Femke" title="User:Femke">—Femke 🐦</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femke" title="User talk:Femke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Femke-20230221173300-Michael_Goodyear-20230221040100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femke-20230221173300-Michael_Goodyear-20230221040100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femke-20230221173300-Michael_Goodyear-20230221040100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221222600-Femke-20230221173300"></span>Happy to oblige, if it causes confusion <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221222600-Femke-20230221173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221222600-Femke-20230221173300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221222600-Femke-20230221173300"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221232800-Michael_Goodyear-20230221222600"></span>Comment</b>: As suggested a bibliography daughter page and referring hat has been added and all works not specifically cited have been removed - - but most of them are cited <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221232800-Michael_Goodyear-20230221222600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221232800-Michael_Goodyear-20230221222600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230221232800-Michael_Goodyear-20230221222600"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222013000-Michael_Goodyear-20230221232800"></span>This article cites over 50 primary self-pub sources? <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222013000-Michael_Goodyear-20230221232800" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:30, 22 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222013000-Michael_Goodyear-20230221232800"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222013000-Michael_Goodyear-20230221232800"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230222172100-Chipmunkdavis-20230222013000"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> with a bibliography in the middle of the article, no less. <a href="/wiki/User:AirshipJungleman29" title="User:AirshipJungleman29">~~ AirshipJungleman29</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:AirshipJungleman29" title="User talk:AirshipJungleman29">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-AirshipJungleman29-20230222172100-Chipmunkdavis-20230222013000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230222172100-Chipmunkdavis-20230222013000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AirshipJungleman29-20230222172100-Chipmunkdavis-20230222013000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173300-AirshipJungleman29-20230222172100"></span>I didn't realise that list was actually serving as sources, I assumed it was just using reference formatting. (I don't think it should be there either way, but if they are being used as sources that is more of a problem.) This prompted me to look at the Bibliography section at the bottom of the article, and a significant proportion of entries there don't appear to be sources that are cited in the article. That does need cleanup; items used as references need to be <a href="/wiki/MOS:FNNR" class="mw-redirect" title="MOS:FNNR">clearly distinguished</a> from a general bibliography. <a href="/wiki/User:Chipmunkdavis" title="User:Chipmunkdavis">CMD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Chipmunkdavis" title="User talk:Chipmunkdavis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173300-AirshipJungleman29-20230222172100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173300-AirshipJungleman29-20230222172100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173300-AirshipJungleman29-20230222172100"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femke-20230222182900-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173300"></span>@<a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a>: there is a user-script that can help you 1) figure out which sources are actually used, which should be removed/moved to further reading 2) where your culling has caused citation errors: <a href="/wiki/User:Trappist_the_monk/HarvErrors.js" title="User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js">User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js</a>. The bibliography is still overly long, and contains web sources that are bibliographies themselves. The Kohn one is also used as a source, as should therefore be in the sources section. It takes very long to edit the article due to a large set of unused sources (I noticed for instance an unused MA thesis.. ) <a href="/wiki/User:Femke" title="User:Femke">—Femke 🐦</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femke" title="User talk:Femke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Femke-20230222182900-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 22 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femke-20230222182900-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femke-20230222182900-Chipmunkdavis-20230222173300"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000-Femke-20230221173300"></span>Actually I did use that script, and yes, not surprisingly the article cites her work extensively - there are 426 citations. The issue of Bibliographies and sources is a long standing one. I happen to belong to the school of thought that believes a bibliography is a list of sources used in compiling the article, rather than only those that are directly cited, and therefore think it should stand as it is. I am not aware of any citation errors caused by culling - I checked carefully for them at the time and again just now. Can we just focus on the original complaint - should this article be delisted purely on the grounds of length? Otherwise we risk debating the nuances for ever. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000-Femke-20230221173300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000-Femke-20230221173300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000-Femke-20230221173300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230222011800-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000"></span>Of course the original issue was a statement that the page should be split, not simply a separate bibliography, which I have used many times. But if an example is required it would be difficult to do better than <a href="/wiki/List_of_works_by_W._Somerset_Maugham" title="List of works by W. Somerset Maugham">List of works by W. Somerset Maugham</a>, which is a FL. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230222011800-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230222011800-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230222011800-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Carchasm-20230223054700-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000"></span>I'm fairly certain that that's not how this process works, but I'd be happy to clarify that my argument for delisting it (or improving it...) is on the basis of the *overall* length of the article, which includes the bibliography. I originally nominated it because of how much trouble I was having navigating it, and was shocked to see it was considered "Good" when it appears in dire need of cleanup and reorganization to be <i>readable</i>.</dd> <dd>I'm not sure the more general attitude here holds water though either, that we should err on the side of "grandfathering" articles that have other underlying issues with them. If other people find additional reasons that the article should be delisted, there's no reason to ban discussion of those. I think addressing those concerns would likely address the issue of overall length as well, so in this case they are particularly beneficial. <a href="/wiki/User:Carchasm" title="User:Carchasm"> - car chasm</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Carchasm" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Carchasm">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Carchasm-20230223054700-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:47, 23 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Carchasm-20230223054700-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Carchasm-20230223054700-Michael_Goodyear-20230223032000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182100-Carchasm-20230223054700"></span>To be clear - I am by no means suggesting <i>any</i> discussions be 'banned', as that would be counterproductive. I am merely saying that we need to distinguish between (a) the remit to delist on the basis of length, and (b) any other 'improvements' people might like to make, and indeed are free to do so, which is what Talk pages are about. Otherwise we are all going to get lost in the weeds. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182100-Carchasm-20230223054700" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182100-Carchasm-20230223054700"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182100-Carchasm-20230223054700"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182100"></span>Michael: I emphatise with your frustration. Issues like this should be brought to talk before a GAR is started, as it can be frustrating to work on them with a time limit in mind (as long as improvements are made, articles are not delisted). It is normal that new points are brought up during a GAR that go beyond the initial assessment. I'm conservative in bringing them up, even though I do feel strongly about making technical articles understandable (I think this article is too difficult in places), as I know GARs are not always pleasant.</dd> <dd>I think a second split of this article would be beneficial: a bibliography about her. I agree that the article's sources can include a few general sources that are used to inform the structure or tone of an article, but not necessarily cited inline. It's a common practice on for instance nlwiki, and I've seen it here on enwiki as well. <i>These sources are always separated</i>, and usually number between 3 and 5. I find it hard to justify adding half of the bibliography that way. There are 101 harvnb warnings, which is too much. It makes verification (2a) more difficult, but more importantly, it's excludes people with a poor internet connection from enjoying your work, given how difficult it is to load the article.</dd> <dd>One more specific issues (in addition to my comment about The Death of Truth) <ul><li>Arendt argued that some Jewish leaders associated with the Jewish Councils (Judenräte), notably M. C. Rumkowski, acted during the Holocaust, in cooperating with Eichmann "almost without exception" in the destruction of their own people. I needed 5 rereads to understand this. Can you perhaps rewrite into two sentences? I'm struggling myself a bit.</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Femke_(alt)" title="User:Femke (alt)">Femke (alt)</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femke_(alt)" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Femke (alt)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182100" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182100"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182100"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224181400-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500"></span>Rephrased, as requested <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224181400-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224181400-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224181400-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femke-20230223212100-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500"></span>In terms of prose quality, I think the article would benefit from a trip to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOCE">WP:GOCE</a>. Would you be okay if I nominate it? Not really needed for GA, but would improve article. Wanted to check first as copy edits need a pair of expert eyes to double check if the meaning hasn't been changed. <a href="/wiki/User:Femke" title="User:Femke">—Femke 🐦</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femke" title="User talk:Femke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Femke-20230223212100-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femke-20230223212100-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femke-20230223212100-Femke_(alt)-20230223081500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182500-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>To be fair, by count it appears that literally hundreds of 'improvements' have been added since this article was promoted four years ago, and I suspect not always constructively. Since there are Arendt haters around, I notice some attempts at vandalisation <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182500-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:25, 24 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182500-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182500-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182900-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>Since <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GOCE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GOCE">WP:GOCE</a> is horribly backlogged, and in view of your comments about meaning, why don't I go over it with a fine toothcomb, in its current form - otherwise we will be in GAR for ever <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182900-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182900-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182900-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Femke-20230224183600-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182900"></span>I meant for the copyediting to speed up the GAR: as in, no need to look at prose now when we ask copyeditors to make the prose easier to understand in a couple months. <a href="/wiki/User:Femke" title="User:Femke">—Femke 🐦</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Femke" title="User talk:Femke">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Femke-20230224183600-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182900" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Femke-20230224183600-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182900"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Femke-20230224183600-Michael_Goodyear-20230224182900"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230225192400-Femke-20230224183600"></span>Got it <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230225192400-Femke-20230224183600" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 25 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230225192400-Femke-20230224183600"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230225192400-Femke-20230224183600"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Wizardman-20230226040300-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>Comment:</b> The GA criteria do note in 3b "it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail" for any article, so one of this size you can make the argument that some stuff should be trimmed. I haven't read through the article (and due to the size do not intend to) but just noting this since others are claiming size isn't in the GA criteria. <a href="/wiki/User:Wizardman" title="User:Wizardman"><span style="color:#030"><i><b>Wizardman</b></i></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Wizardman-20230226040300-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:03, 26 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Wizardman-20230226040300-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Wizardman-20230226040300-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230226193000-Wizardman-20230226040300"></span>Well, what is unnecessary is somewhat subjective. I'm assuming that people who are interested in reading past the lead are sufficiently motivated to want to read the whole story - and this is by no means the whole story. Also the guidance on length and subpages advises against discarding material, as opposed to delegating it. Personally, I don't see a lot of "unnecessary"detail. In the meantime I am continuing copyedit, which may make it slightly shorter <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230226193000-Wizardman-20230226040300" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 26 February 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230226193000-Wizardman-20230226040300"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230226193000-Wizardman-20230226040300"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scope_creep-20230305095500-Michael_Goodyear-20230226193000"></span>It seems to be highly subjective to me as well. It would say it is quite uncommon for somebody with Wizardman's experience to make a comment like that. Having read the article I don't see a lot of extraneous or unnecessary detail. It does seem quite odd to make a statement like without reading it. <b><span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus"><a href="/wiki/User:Scope_creep" title="User:Scope creep"><span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scope_creep#top" title="User talk:Scope creep">Talk</a></sup></span></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Scope_creep-20230305095500-Michael_Goodyear-20230226193000" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:55, 5 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scope_creep-20230305095500-Michael_Goodyear-20230226193000"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scope_creep-20230305095500-Michael_Goodyear-20230226193000"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230305224100-Scope_creep-20230305095500"></span>I agree, having some knowledge of the subject, I have been going through this article word by word focusing on that criterion. Arendt was a very complex individual with an extraordinary life and an influential thinker. A true understanding of her and her work requires a knowledge of the many influences on her, which I have tried to outline. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230305224100-Scope_creep-20230305095500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:41, 5 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230305224100-Scope_creep-20230305095500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230305224100-Scope_creep-20230305095500"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230305230000-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span>It might also be worth pointing out that, while we have been debating the length here, over the last few weeks, others have actually been adding material. <a href="/wiki/User:Michael_Goodyear" title="User:Michael Goodyear">Michael Goodyear</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Michael_Goodyear" title="User talk:Michael Goodyear">✐ </a> <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Michael_Goodyear" title="Special:EmailUser/Michael Goodyear">✉ </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Michael_Goodyear-20230305230000-Carchasm-20230219025500" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230305230000-Carchasm-20230219025500"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Michael_Goodyear-20230305230000-Carchasm-20230219025500"></span></dd></dl> <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: var(--color-error, red);">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div> </div><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Ai_enhanced_pictures" data-mw-thread-id="h-Ai_enhanced_pictures-20231010075400"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Ai_enhanced_pictures-20231010075400"></span>Ai enhanced pictures<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Ai_enhanced_pictures-20231010075400"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hannah_Arendt&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: Ai enhanced pictures"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AR3D666-20231010075400-Ai_enhanced_pictures"></span>What is the possibility to use these in Wikipedia? Like from apps like remini and recolor?? <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:AR3D666&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:AR3D666 (page does not exist)">AR3D666</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AR3D666&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:AR3D666 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-AR3D666-20231010075400-Ai_enhanced_pictures" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-AR3D666-20231010075400-Ai_enhanced_pictures"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-AR3D666-20231010075400-Ai_enhanced_pictures"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SnailsSpace-20231212173000-AR3D666-20231010075400"></span>Is there a policy about it? <a href="/wiki/User:SnailsSpace" title="User:SnailsSpace">SnailsSpace</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SnailsSpace" title="User talk:SnailsSpace">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-SnailsSpace-20231212173000-AR3D666-20231010075400" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SnailsSpace-20231212173000-AR3D666-20231010075400"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SnailsSpace-20231212173000-AR3D666-20231010075400"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Views_section_insufficiently_neutral" data-mw-thread-id="h-Views_section_insufficiently_neutral-20240524135800"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Views_section_insufficiently_neutral-20240524135800"></span>Views section insufficiently neutral<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Views_section_insufficiently_neutral-20240524135800"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hannah_Arendt&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Views section insufficiently neutral"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vulpes_Publius-20240524135800-Views_section_insufficiently_neutral"></span>The sub section under "Views" titled "Accusations of Racism" contains a brief discussion of Hannah Arendt's essay <i>Reflections on Little Rock</i>. It seems like this section is avoiding the issue somewhat and trying to talk around the problem. </p><p>The section is on Hannah Arendt's 'views', so titling it 'Accusations of Racism' is incorrect, because it is not discussing her accusing <i>anyone</i> of racism, it is rather accusations against <i>her</i>. If this section is discussing her views, and the response of further writers to discussing and understanding those views, then it should simply be titled 'Race,' much as her writing about Feminism is simply called 'Feminism.' </p><p>It mentions her claims that the essay was delayed publication, but misquotes her as saying that it was due to 'apparently' differing from the publication's unspecified 'liberal values,' when she states it was "because of the controversial nature of my reflections which, obviously, were <i>at variance with the magazine's stand on matters of discrimination and segregation</i>." (Emphasis Mine). She is clear what she believes the dispute was about, and in a section about Arendt's 'views,' we should be representing her views accurately. </p><p>It also has too much sympathetic language. She is 'defending' herself rather than responding to criticism. The response is 'vehement'; meaning 'to express strong feelings,' 'to be characterized by anger,' 'marked by extreme intensity of emotions or convictions,' giving a negative impression of her critics. It also says that critics "felt she was fundamentally racist." Is that a fair representation of their arguments? That they were claiming she, personally, in her very character, was 'fundamentally racist?' Or were they arguing and disagreeing with her expressed ideas? It claims that her defenders were 'pointing out' that Arendt's concern was for the welfare of children, but this implies without evidence that her critics had ignored or forgotten that point. </p><p>Finally, the section includes a defense of her words that "She felt that white children were being thrown into a racially disharmonious "jungle" to serve a broader political strategy of forcible integration." </p><p>Despite the quotations I cannot find a source for this. Arendt expresses concern over the welfare of the children in her essay, and in the essay by Vicky Lebeau that is cited in this sentence she continues to explore this theme of Arendt's concern for child welfare, but nowhere in either Arendt or Lebeau's writings does it say that her concern was for, specifically, 'white' children being 'thrown' into a 'racially disharmonious jungle.' And I don't think I need to explain why this is insufficiently neutral. </p><p>I think the section needs some pretty major reworking. It needs to represent what Arendt's views actually were, as she herself states in her essay, rather than talking around them to focus on making her critics seem unreasonable. <a href="/wiki/User:Vulpes_Publius" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vulpes Publius">Vulpes Publius</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vulpes_Publius" title="User talk:Vulpes Publius">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hannah_Arendt#c-Vulpes_Publius-20240524135800-Views_section_insufficiently_neutral" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vulpes_Publius-20240524135800-Views_section_insufficiently_neutral"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vulpes_Publius-20240524135800-Views_section_insufficiently_neutral"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Other_source_about_the_"Jewish_question"" data-mw-thread-id="h-Other_source_about_the_"Jewish_question"-20241118205600"><span id="Other_source_about_the_.22Jewish_question.22"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Other_source_about_the_"Jewish_question"-20241118205600"></span>Other source about the "Jewish question"<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Other_source_about_the_"Jewish_question"-20241118205600"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hannah_Arendt&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Other source about the "Jewish question""><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-AyubuZimbale-20241118205600-Other_source_about_the_"Jewish_question""></span>Hello. I was reading several parts of the article, and in particular when referring to the "Jewish question", I think that a reference to her work "Der Zionismus aus heutiger Sicht" would be interesting/needed. The text: <i>"Although Arendt remained a <a href="/wiki/Zionist" class="mw-redirect" title="Zionist">Zionist</a> both during and after World War II, she made it clear that she favored the creation of a Jewish-Arab federated state in <a href="/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine" title="Mandatory Palestine">British Mandate of Palestine</a> (now Israel and the <a href="/wiki/Palestinian_territories" class="mw-redirect" title="Palestinian territories">Palestinian territories</a>), rather than a purely Jewish state. She believed that this was a way to address Jewish statelessness and to avoid the pitfalls of nationalism."</i> is probably fine, but still in the article of <a href="/wiki/Hannah_Arendt" title="Hannah Arendt">Hannah Arendt</a> that I mentioned seems that she speak about Zionism from the perspective of someone that can't be fitted in that category. For example, the last words in German in that article were "<i>Wenn die Zionisten an ihrer sektiererischen Ideologie festhalten und mit ihrem kursbestimmenden „Realismus“ fortfahren, dann werden sie selbst die geringen Chancen verwirken, die in unserer nicht allzu schonen Welt kleine Volker immer moch haben</i>". She doesn't seems speaking as a Zionist anymore along the article, being critical with the last Zionist movement declarations at Atlantic City, Biltmore etc... </p><p>What do you think? It is fair revise the text? 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