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class="vector-toc-numb">9</span> <span>your tang dynasty map</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">14 comments</span> <ul id="toc-your_tang_dynasty_map-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">10</span> <span>requested move for History of the Khitans</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">11</span> <span>Map of Manchu Cities(or Eight Banners Provincial garrisons) in China proper</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Re:_Tang_Code" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Re:_Tang_Code"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">12</span> <span>Re: Tang Code</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Re:_Tang_Code-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Latest_Athens" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Latest_Athens"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">13</span> <span>Latest Athens</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Latest_Athens-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Location_map_Canada" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Location_map_Canada"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">14</span> <span>Location map Canada</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Location_map_Canada-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Voting_at_wikisource" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Voting_at_wikisource"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">15</span> <span>Voting at wikisource</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Voting_at_wikisource-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Map_Requests" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Map_Requests"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">16</span> <span>Map Requests</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">11 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Map_Requests-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Russian_Tame_Silver_Fox.jpg" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Russian_Tame_Silver_Fox.jpg"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">17</span> <span>Replaceable fair use Image:Russian Tame Silver Fox.jpg</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Russian_Tame_Silver_Fox.jpg-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">18</span> <span>Tutoriels de Topo-Cartographie</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Swine_influenza" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Swine_influenza"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">19</span> <span>Swine influenza</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Swine_influenza-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Pig_image" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Pig_image"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">20</span> <span>Pig image</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Pig_image-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-China_in_Africa" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#China_in_Africa"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">21</span> <span>China in Africa</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">5 comments</span> <ul id="toc-China_in_Africa-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">22</span> <span>DYK nomination of The Energy and Resources Institute</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Africa_China_references" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Africa_China_references"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">23</span> <span>Africa China references</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Africa_China_references-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You're_welcome." class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You're_welcome."> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">24</span> <span>You're welcome.</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-You're_welcome.-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Arilang_say_Hi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Arilang_say_Hi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">25</span> <span>Arilang say Hi</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Arilang_say_Hi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Popup_Translation_Tool"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">26</span> <span>Popup Translation Tool</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">9 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Popup_Translation_Tool-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Degree" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Degree"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">27</span> <span>Degree</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Degree-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Accounts" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Accounts"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">28</span> <span>Accounts</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Accounts-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Energy_security_of_China" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Energy_security_of_China"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">29</span> <span>Energy security of China</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Energy_security_of_China-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">30</span> <span>Help for a new Wikipedia member</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-East_Asian_Calligraphy" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#East_Asian_Calligraphy"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">31</span> <span>East Asian Calligraphy</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-East_Asian_Calligraphy-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-OpenShot_Editing" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#OpenShot_Editing"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">32</span> <span>OpenShot Editing</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-OpenShot_Editing-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">33</span> <span>Help needed on Special Export to XML</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">34</span> <span>Translation Popups -- SHIFT key down now necessary to get popup</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">4 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Request_for_graphic_conversion_help"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">35</span> <span>Request for graphic conversion help</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Hey" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Hey"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">36</span> <span>Hey</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Hey-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Locator_map_help" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Locator_map_help"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">37</span> <span>Locator map help</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">3 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Locator_map_help-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Graphics_lab_request" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Graphics_lab_request"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">38</span> <span>Graphics lab request</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Graphics_lab_request-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">39</span> <span>Deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">40</span> <span>ITN for Forum on China-Africa Cooperation</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Africa_in_China" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Africa_in_China"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">41</span> <span>Africa in China</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Africa_in_China-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">42</span> <span>MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Khitan" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Khitan"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">43</span> <span>Khitan</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Khitan-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">44</span> <span>Talk:Characters and wildlife in Avatar#Change in Title</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">45</span> <span>An article you have worked on is up for deletion</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">46</span> <span>AfD nomination of Characters and wildlife in Avatar</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">2 comments</span> <ul id="toc-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">47</span> <span>ITN for 2009 Ashura protests</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">48</span> <span>File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Handala-edit.png</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Fictional_universe_in_Avatar"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">49</span> <span>Fictional universe in Avatar</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Maps_userbox" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Maps_userbox"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">50</span> <span>Maps userbox</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">6 comments</span> <ul id="toc-Maps_userbox-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-SVG_Help" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#SVG_Help"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">51</span> <span>SVG Help</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-SVG_Help-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Speedy_deletion_of_Spécial:Liste_de_suivi" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Speedy_deletion_of_Spécial:Liste_de_suivi"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">52</span> <span>Speedy deletion of Spécial:Liste de suivi</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Speedy_deletion_of_Spécial:Liste_de_suivi-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Articles_for_deletion_nomination_of_Debate_around_East_Asian_calligraphy_as_an_art" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Articles_for_deletion_nomination_of_Debate_around_East_Asian_calligraphy_as_an_art"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">53</span> <span>Articles for deletion nomination of Debate around East Asian calligraphy as an art</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Articles_for_deletion_nomination_of_Debate_around_East_Asian_calligraphy_as_an_art-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-biogeographical_maps" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#biogeographical_maps"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">54</span> <span>biogeographical maps</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-biogeographical_maps-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">55</span> <span>Nomination for deletion of Template:1/4</span> </div> </a> <span class="ext-discussiontools-init-sidebar-meta">1 comment</span> <ul id="toc-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4-sublist" class="vector-toc-list"> </ul> </li> <li id="toc-You_are_now_a_Reviewer" class="vector-toc-list-item vector-toc-level-1"> <a class="vector-toc-link" href="#You_are_now_a_Reviewer"> <div class="vector-toc-text"> <span class="vector-toc-numb">56</span> <span>You are now a Reviewer</span> </div> </a> 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class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-09-21T18:38:00.000Z-Source_for_map?"></span>First of all, thanks for alerting me about the graphics lab! The pictures look great. Now for something I must bother you about: </p> <figure typeof="mw:File/Thumb"><a href="/wiki/File:Tang_(616-710).png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Tang_%28616-710%29.png/400px-Tang_%28616-710%29.png" decoding="async" width="400" height="185" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Tang_%28616-710%29.png/600px-Tang_%28616-710%29.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Tang_%28616-710%29.png/800px-Tang_%28616-710%29.png 2x" data-file-width="1357" data-file-height="628"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Recently someone added this map to the article on Tang Dynasty. I noticed on the page for this image that there is not a proper source listed as to where these boundaries were discerned, i.e. a scholarly book or journal, preferably published by a university press. Do you remember exactly which source you used to create these borders in the map? Thanks.--<strong><a href="/wiki/User:PericlesofAthens" title="User:PericlesofAthens"><font color="blue">Pericles of Athens</font></a></strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PericlesofAthens" title="User talk:PericlesofAthens"><font color="#0000CD">Talk</font></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-PericlesofAthens-2008-09-21T18:38:00.000Z-Source_for_map?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-09-21T18:38:00.000Z-Source_for_map?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-09-21T18:38:00.000Z-Source_for_map?"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Maps" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maps-2008-09-25T17:46:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Maps-2008-09-25T17:46:00.000Z"></span>Maps<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Maps-2008-09-25T17:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Maps"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Justinmorris-2008-09-25T17:46:00.000Z-Maps"></span>So, what map from my list should I tackle next? <a href="/wiki/User:Justinmorris" title="User:Justinmorris"><b>Justin Morris</b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Justinmorris" title="User talk:Justinmorris">talk</a>, <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Justinmorris" title="Special:Contributions/Justinmorris">contributions</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Justinmorris-2008-09-25T17:46:00.000Z-Maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Justinmorris-2008-09-25T17:46:00.000Z-Maps"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Justinmorris-2008-09-25T17:46:00.000Z-Maps"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut" data-mw-thread-id="h-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut-2008-09-29T15:12:00.000Z"><span id="MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab.2Fshortcut"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut-2008-09-29T15:12:00.000Z"></span>MfD nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut-2008-09-29T15:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Suntag-2008-09-29T15:12:00.000Z-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut"></span>Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut</a>, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MfD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MfD">deletion</a>. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut">Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut </a> and please be sure to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIG">sign your comments</a> with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/shortcut</a> during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Suntag" title="User:Suntag">Suntag</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Suntag" title="User talk:Suntag"><b><big><font color="#FF8C00">☼</font></big></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Suntag-2008-09-29T15:12:00.000Z-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Suntag-2008-09-29T15:12:00.000Z-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Suntag-2008-09-29T15:12:00.000Z-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/shortcut"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="han_dynasty_map" data-mw-thread-id="h-han_dynasty_map-2008-09-30T13:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-han_dynasty_map-2008-09-30T13:42:00.000Z"></span>han dynasty map<span data-mw-comment-end="h-han_dynasty_map-2008-09-30T13:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: han dynasty map"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ-2008-09-30T13:42:00.000Z-han_dynasty_map"></span>um all you need to do i think is to type "han dynasty" and "tarim basin protectorate" in google and your bound to get reliable resources on its status.<a href="/wiki/User:%E3%84%8F%E3%84%A8%E3%84%A4%E3%84%89%E3%84%A7" title="User:ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ">ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:%E3%84%8F%E3%84%A8%E3%84%A4%E3%84%89%E3%84%A7" title="User talk:ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ-2008-09-30T13:42:00.000Z-han_dynasty_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ-2008-09-30T13:42:00.000Z-han_dynasty_map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ-2008-09-30T13:42:00.000Z-han_dynasty_map"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Articles_you_created_:_list" data-mw-thread-id="h-Articles_you_created_:_list"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Articles_you_created_:_list"></span>Articles you created : list<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Articles_you_created_:_list"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Articles you created : list"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I eventually found the good tool ! there : <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://toolserver.org/~escaladix/larticles/larticles.php?user=Nlu&lang=en">http://toolserver.org/~escaladix/larticles/larticles.php?user=Nlu&lang=en</a> </p><p>Yug 18:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC) </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations/anwsers_need_..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations/anwsers_need_...-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z"><span id="Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations.2Fanwsers_need_..."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations/anwsers_need_...-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Tang Taizong administration : some confirmations/anwsers need ...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations/anwsers_need_...-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Tang Taizong administration : some confirmations/anwsers need ..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z-Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations/anwsers_need_..."></span>Hello Nlu, </p><p>I'm re-writing my French Tang Taizong article, to the feature article level, accordingly, I'm reading again and more deeply the <i>Cambridge History of China</i> (CHOC), Sui and Tang volume, Chap. Kao-tsung and Chap. T'ai-tsung .<br/>Sorry if my questions seems basic -I some time just ask for confirmations- but I have some difficulties to draw clearly the shape of Taizong's central administration because of some unclear points in the CHOC, especially the following terms, (since either my English is not perfect or that those terms are use without more precisions) I don't clearly understand : </p> <dl><dd>1. '<a href="/w/index.php?title=Chief_minister_(China)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Chief minister (China) (page does not exist)">chief minister (China)</a>' 宰相 (ex. Xiao Yu, before 627, and in 630 = ‘chief minister’) - the CHOC use this term without saying which minister/departement he is the 'chief', what that ? leading which departement/ministers ?</dd> <dd>2. 'Chancellery' (門下省 Menxià shĕng) and 'Chancellors', you seems to place the Chancelors (writing Imperial edict) as being the highest office, higher that Vice-presidents of the Department of State Affairs (leading administration and executive power), <b>is there a reason ?</b></dd> <dd>3. 'Vice-President of the Departement of State Affairs' (ex: Zhangsun Wuji, after 645): so, who is the president ? Taizong, <b>right ?</b></dd> <dd>4. '<a href="/wiki/Censorate" title="Censorate">Censorate</a>' (御史臺 yushitai) - I know what it is, but it <b>seems (?)</b> "out" of the <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trois_d%C3%A9partements_et_six_minist%C3%A8res" class="extiw" title="fr:Trois départements et six ministères">Three Departments and Six Ministries (fr)</a> set of offices, <b>have you some information on its place ?</b></dd> <dd>5. School of Calligraphie (Shu Xué, create in 628), CHOC p.214, but CHOC's Glossary, p.831 wrote Shu Xue = "數学", then meaning School of Mathematics (!). Can you check on : JTS vol.3 and XTS vol.48 what is the State School create in Chang'an in 628 ?</dd></dl> <p>Waiting for some answer, </p><p>Regards, <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z-Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations/anwsers_need_..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z-Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations/anwsers_need_..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z-Tang_Taizong_administration_:_some_confirmations/anwsers_need_..."></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nlu-2008-11-15T18:21:00.000Z-Yug-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z"></span>Hi... Thanks for writing. Remember that while I do consider myself sort of an expert on the subject (whereas there are many areas that I do <i>not</i> consider myself an expert at all!), I am not a professor and hold no graduate degree in history. (One of my undergraduate majors was history.) <ul><li>I do not remember much about the Cambridge History of China. However, I will say this; to the extent it appears to imply that Tang had a single chief minister, that is definitely wrong, and that is based on both how Tang Dynasty historians viewed their own governmental structure and also how subsequent Song Dynasty historians viewed it. (See further below.)</li> <li>Translating the <i>Menxia Sheng</i> as "chancellory" implies incorrectly that only the head of the <i>Menxia Sheng</i> (the <i>Shizhong</i>) is a chancellor. That is not true. I don't know how well you read Chinese, but a fairly good (and not that difficult to understand even if you're not accustomed to reading classical Chinese) discussion of how the system works is in <i><a href="/wiki/New_Book_of_Tang" title="New Book of Tang">New Book of Tang</a></i>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.sidneyluo.net/a/a17/046.htm">vol. 46</a>. If you are better at modern Chinese, <a href="/wiki/Bo_Yang" title="Bo Yang">Bo Yang</a>'s <i>Zhongguoren Shigang</i> (中國人史綱) provides a good discussion in its discussion on Tang Dynasty governmental structure. Bo translates <i>Menxia Sheng</i> into modern Chinese as <i>Jiandu Yuan</i> (the same title for the Republic of China <a href="/w/index.php?title=Controll_Yuan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Controll Yuan (page does not exist)">Controll Yuan</a>, which might be imprecise, but that is in turn why I've further rendered "examination bureau" which might be imprecise as well. In any case, my translation of "chancellor" is meant to be a direct translation of <i>Zaixiang</i> (宰相).</li> <li>I assume, among the titles that they used for Zhangsun that they translated as "Vice-President of the Department of State Affairs" was <i>Shangshu Pushe</i> (尚書僕射). As Bo pointed out, that is a misleading translation because the original head position of <i>Shangshu Sheng</i> (尚書省, which I translate as "executive bureau" and which Bo translated as <i>Guowu Yuan</i> (國務院), the same translation as the <a href="/wiki/State_Council_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China" title="State Council of the People's Republic of China">State Council of the People's Republic of China</a>), the <i>Shangshu Ling</i> (尚書令), was basically abolished after the start of <a href="/wiki/Emperor_Gaozu_of_Tang" title="Emperor Gaozu of Tang">Emperor Gaozu</a>'s reign since <a href="/wiki/Emperor_Taizong_of_Tang" title="Emperor Taizong of Tang">Emperor Taizong</a> was the only person to have ever held it, thus rendering the <i>Shangshu Pushe</i>, of whom there were two, to be the head of the <i>Shangshu Sheng</i>. In this case, there is no <i>Shangshu Ling</i>; the office is vacant.</li> <li>The <i>Yushitai</i> was independent (although persons holding <i>Yushi</i> offices often had other governmental titles as well, thus making them not completely independent). For more details on its structure, see the <i>New Book of Tang</i>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.sidneyluo.net/a/a17/048.htm">vol. 48</a> if you can read classical Chinese. To tell the truth, I don't understand it well myself. It does <i>not</i> fall under the <i>Shangshu Sheng</i>, <i>Menxia Sheng</i>, or <i>Zhongshu Sheng</i>.</li> <li>I am not familiar with the <i>Shuxue</i>. But this is a term that means mathematics <i>in modern Chinese</i>. Taken in isolation in classical Chinese, I'd interpret more as in the context of "multiple arts."</li></ul></dd> <dd>I'm sorry that I do not have more information on these things that you ask. I hope that these are helpful. --<a href="/wiki/User:Nlu" title="User:Nlu">Nlu</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nlu" title="User talk:Nlu">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Nlu-2008-11-15T18:21:00.000Z-Yug-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nlu-2008-11-15T18:21:00.000Z-Yug-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nlu-2008-11-15T18:21:00.000Z-Yug-2008-11-15T15:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Map" data-mw-thread-id="h-Map-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Map-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Map<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Map-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Map"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historiographer-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z-Map"></span>Hello Yug... </p><p>Thank you for editing my map. It is progressive the history of my maps from this, because of your contribute. </p><p>However, there are some of problem such as naming of sea of japan, which is called "East Sea", but this is not reflected on editing map and The map depend on only Chinese source. </p><p>Except for this, I respect your contribute to my map. Please can you provide good advices and tools to me? especially, The line of troops' moves and style of font. teach me how to make it. </p><p>Thanks~ --<a href="/wiki/User:Historiographer" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Historiographer">Historiographer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historiographer" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Historiographer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historiographer-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z-Map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historiographer-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z-Map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historiographer-2008-11-25T17:40:00.000Z-Map"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Map_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Map_2-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Map_2-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"></span>Map<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Map_2-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Map"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z-Map_2"></span>Hey Yug. I love your new map! I just don't know which specific history article will benefit from it, or where it will be relevant enough to place. <a href="/wiki/Geography_of_China" title="Geography of China">Geography of China</a> would be a good start, but perhaps even <a href="/wiki/History_of_China" title="History of China">History of China</a> is another article where it could best be used.--<strong><a href="/wiki/User:PericlesofAthens" title="User:PericlesofAthens"><font color="blue">Pericles of Athens</font></a></strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PericlesofAthens" title="User talk:PericlesofAthens"><font color="#0000CD">Talk</font></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z-Map_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z-Map_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z-Map_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T17:58:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"></span>I'll be rewriting the article on the Han Dynasty very soon, so I might need your services in creating a map sooner than you think. Cambridge is always a trustworthy source.--<strong><a href="/wiki/User:PericlesofAthens" title="User:PericlesofAthens"><font color="blue">Pericles of Athens</font></a></strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PericlesofAthens" title="User talk:PericlesofAthens"><font color="#0000CD">Talk</font></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T17:58:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T17:58:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T17:58:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:38:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"></span>The TIMES Atlas of World History (third edition) <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-7230-0304-1" title="Special:BookSources/0-7230-0304-1">0-7230-0304-1</a> is a trsutworthy source<a href="/wiki/User:Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus" title="User:Julius Ceasarus From Primus">Julius Ceasarus From Primus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus" title="User talk:Julius Ceasarus From Primus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:38:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:38:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:38:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-03T05:07:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-06T15:39:00.000Z-Map_2"></span>Let's look at some already existing maps in the <a href="/wiki/Han_Dynasty" class="mw-redirect" title="Han Dynasty">Han Dynasty</a> article: </p> <ul><li>with source: <a href="/wiki/File:Han_commanderies_and_kingdoms_CE_2.jpg" title="File:Han commanderies and kingdoms CE 2.jpg">this map for the Han</a> and the featured <a href="/wiki/File:Han_Civilisation.png" title="File:Han Civilisation.png">Image:Han Civilisation.png</a> use as source: Tan Qixiang, ed., Zhongguo lishi ditu (中国历史地图集), 1982 ;</li> <li>no source: <a href="/wiki/File:Han_map.jpg" title="File:Han map.jpg">this other map</a> as well as <a href="/wiki/File:Han_provinces.jpg" title="File:Han provinces.jpg">this map</a></li></ul> <p>As for the two maps I just listed here that cite their sources, I think I will keep, but I would request (if possible) to replace those other two maps which do not city any sources. Once I start writing the article, I'll let you know what type of map will be sorely needed. Thanks Yug!--<strong><a href="/wiki/User:PericlesofAthens" title="User:PericlesofAthens"><font color="blue">Pericles of Athens</font></a></strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PericlesofAthens" title="User talk:PericlesofAthens"><font color="#0000CD">Talk</font></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-06T15:39:00.000Z-Map_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-06T15:39:00.000Z-Map_2"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-06T15:39:00.000Z-Map_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yu_Ninjie-2008-12-06T17:11:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-06T15:39:00.000Z"></span>Yep : I'm admirative of the work done by Jack Yuan (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yu_Ninjie&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yu Ninjie (page does not exist)">user:Yu Ninjie</a>). In fact, my aim is both to continue his work, a to create a set of SVG tools and icons for Chinese history maps. Time will say. -- Yug <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yu_Ninjie-2008-12-06T17:11:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-06T15:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yu_Ninjie-2008-12-06T17:11:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-06T15:39:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yu_Ninjie-2008-12-06T17:11:00.000Z-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-06T15:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-10T22:50:00.000Z-Yu_Ninjie-2008-12-06T17:11:00.000Z"></span>Awesome. I am also a fan of Yu Ninjie's maps. They are very professional, despite some of them lacking sources. As for intricate details about Yellow River course changes, you could try to do further research on the topic, but don't work harder than you should for a Wiki project. These things can take a long time if necessary. Just be patient; I'm sure you'll find a good source.--<strong><a href="/wiki/User:PericlesofAthens" title="User:PericlesofAthens"><font color="blue">Pericles of Athens</font></a></strong><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:PericlesofAthens" title="User talk:PericlesofAthens"><font color="#0000CD">Talk</font></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-10T22:50:00.000Z-Yu_Ninjie-2008-12-06T17:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-10T22:50:00.000Z-Yu_Ninjie-2008-12-06T17:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-PericlesofAthens-2008-12-10T22:50:00.000Z-Yu_Ninjie-2008-12-06T17:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="your_tang_dynasty_map" data-mw-thread-id="h-your_tang_dynasty_map-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-your_tang_dynasty_map-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span>your tang dynasty map<span data-mw-comment-end="h-your_tang_dynasty_map-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: your tang dynasty map"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span>if you don't mind i added two more reputable sources.<a href="/wiki/User:Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus" title="User:Julius Ceasarus From Primus">Julius Ceasarus From Primus</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus" title="User talk:Julius Ceasarus From Primus">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:24:00.000Z-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span>'ive noticed the above person posted unsourced links, i have a book myself which supports his links above, <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-1-84573-323-0" title="Special:BookSources/978-1-84573-323-0">978-1-84573-323-0</a> MAPPING HISTORY WORLD HISTORY, by Dr. Ian Barnes, it matches exactly , i think all representations of the warring states and zhou are standard. the current maps on the articles are substandard.<a href="/wiki/User:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User:Historian of the arab people">Historian of the arab people</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User talk:Historian of the arab people">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:24:00.000Z-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:24:00.000Z-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:24:00.000Z-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:30:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:24:00.000Z"></span>if you dont trust me can you at least make a map and put it on hold until you can see this book?<a href="/wiki/User:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User:Historian of the arab people">Historian of the arab people</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User talk:Historian of the arab people">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:30:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:30:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:24:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:30:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span>my source backs up every single link julius posted, i have another book at a library, the TIMES ATLAS OF WORLD HISTORY THIRD EDITION that even pinpoints which families ruled what states, like the zhou and shang families and others. <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1238218222"><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-7230-0304-1" title="Special:BookSources/0-7230-0304-1">0-7230-0304-1</a> <a href="/wiki/User:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User:Historian of the arab people">Historian of the arab people</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User talk:Historian of the arab people">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z-Julius_Ceasarus_From_Primus-2008-12-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-162.83.131.50-2008-12-06T17:41:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"></span>my source is reliable. can you make a maps please. i want to throw up when i see the current maps on shang and zhou<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/162.83.131.50" title="Special:Contributions/162.83.131.50">162.83.131.50</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:162.83.131.50&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:162.83.131.50 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-162.83.131.50-2008-12-06T17:41:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-162.83.131.50-2008-12-06T17:41:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-162.83.131.50-2008-12-06T17:41:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:38:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"></span>User:Saperaud's maps are terrible. i hope you check my source , which backs up Juliu's links exactly to the zhou dynasty ,warring states, and shang dynasty.<a href="/wiki/User:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User:Historian of the arab people">Historian of the arab people</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User talk:Historian of the arab people">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:38:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:38:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:38:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-162.83.131.50-2008-12-06T17:50:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"></span>Actually those were yu ninjie's maps. they are extremely misleadding and make me want to throw up.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/162.83.131.50" title="Special:Contributions/162.83.131.50">162.83.131.50</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:162.83.131.50&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:162.83.131.50 (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-162.83.131.50-2008-12-06T17:50:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-162.83.131.50-2008-12-06T17:50:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-162.83.131.50-2008-12-06T17:50:00.000Z-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T17:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span>I don't understand clearly what you want to say. Can you explain <i>slowly</i>. (PS: I'm French, my English is not that good too) --<a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T18:56:00.000Z-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z"></span>i have an .edu website that has a map that matches up with the maps in the links. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/1xarzhou.htm">[1]</a> edu is for top level domains for educational systems in the USa.<a href="/wiki/User:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User:Historian of the arab people">Historian of the arab people</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User talk:Historian of the arab people">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T18:56:00.000Z-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T18:56:00.000Z-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T18:56:00.000Z-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2008-12-06T19:14:00.000Z-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z"></span>Oh, ok. <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/timeline.htm">This site and list of maps</a> is GREAT ! but without source. Who had draw these maps ? them ? or they have pic up this from ... where ? who ?</li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/mapexpla.htm">"About these maps"</a> : this page don't say "Tang map, draw according to : EBREY, Cambridge Illustrated history of China, 1979, p.23". It say : <i>"[the set of maps was draw] by consulting other reference works, such as the Zhongguo lishi ditu ji series."</i></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/index.htm">the main page</a> state : "Prepared by Patricia Buckley Ebrey" [a well know sinologist] ! This is encouraging ! I will try to contact her to get further informations about these/her? maps. [one by one] --<a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2008-12-06T19:14:00.000Z-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2008-12-06T19:14:00.000Z-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2008-12-06T19:14:00.000Z-Yug-2008-12-06T18:02:00.000Z"></span></li></ul></dd></dl> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://homepages.stmartin.edu/Fac_Staff/rlangill/HIS%20217%20maps/Waring%20States%20map.JPG"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T18:59:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span>[2]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://homepages.stmartin.edu/Fac_Staff/rlangill/HIS%20217%20maps/Qin%20dynasty%20map.JPG">[3]</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://homepages.stmartin.edu/Fac_Staff/rlangill/HIS%20217%20maps/Han%20dynasty%20map.JPG">[4]</a> this is also an edu of the zhou dynasty, . edu's are reliable sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User:Historian of the arab people">Historian of the arab people</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User talk:Historian of the arab people">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="Special:Contributions/Historian of the arab people">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T18:59:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T18:59:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T18:59:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T19:24:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span>if i have a regional map of china saved i can draw out the ancient coastline, unless if someone already did it for every single dynasty.<a href="/wiki/User:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User:Historian of the arab people">Historian of the arab people</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User talk:Historian of the arab people">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T19:24:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T19:24:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T19:24:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T19:27:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span>do you have the TIMES ATLAS OF WORLD HISTORY third edition?<a href="/wiki/User:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User:Historian of the arab people">Historian of the arab people</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Historian_of_the_arab_people" title="User talk:Historian of the arab people">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T19:27:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T19:27:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Historian_of_the_arab_people-2008-12-06T19:27:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span> </p> <hr/> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2008-12-06T19:28:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span>I don't have the TIMES ATLAS OF WORLD HISTORY third edition. I really have to leave the web now : I will be back not before 5 or 7 days. (I leave France monday, I have to prepare my luggages). See you. --<a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2008-12-06T19:28:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2008-12-06T19:28:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2008-12-06T19:28:00.000Z-your_tang_dynasty_map"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans" data-mw-thread-id="h-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z"></span>requested move for <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Khitans" title="History of the Khitans">History of the Khitans</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: requested move for History of the Khitans"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans"></span>Hi, Yug. I noticed that you moved <a href="/wiki/Khitan_people" title="Khitan people">Khitan people</a> to <a href="/wiki/History_of_the_Khitans" title="History of the Khitans">History of the Khitans</a>. I disagree and requested to move it back. Please join the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Talk:History_of_the_Khitans" title="Talk:History of the Khitans">Talk:History of the Khitans</a> if you are interested. Many thanks. --<a href="/wiki/User:Neo-Jay" title="User:Neo-Jay">Neo-Jay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neo-Jay" title="User talk:Neo-Jay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z-requested_move_for_History_of_the_Khitans"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z"></span>Thanks. Cheers! --<a href="/wiki/User:Neo-Jay" title="User:Neo-Jay">Neo-Jay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neo-Jay" title="User talk:Neo-Jay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-13T23:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T10:22:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z"></span>Hi, Yug. Thanks for your help. My <a href="/wiki/Gmail" title="Gmail">Gmail</a> account name is yananpeng. Many thanks!--<a href="/wiki/User:Neo-Jay" title="User:Neo-Jay">Neo-Jay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neo-Jay" title="User talk:Neo-Jay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T10:22:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T10:22:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T10:22:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T22:11:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T10:22:00.000Z"></span>Thank you so much. I just downloaded all of them!--<a href="/wiki/User:Neo-Jay" title="User:Neo-Jay">Neo-Jay</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neo-Jay" title="User talk:Neo-Jay">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T22:11:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T10:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T22:11:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T10:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T22:11:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-29T10:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2008-12-30T09:15:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z"></span>;)<a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2008-12-30T09:15:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2008-12-30T09:15:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2008-12-30T09:15:00.000Z-Neo-Jay-2008-12-15T05:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper" data-mw-thread-id="h-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper-2008-12-18T14:06:00.000Z"><span id="Map_of_Manchu_Cities.28or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons.29_in_China_proper"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper-2008-12-18T14:06:00.000Z"></span>Map of Manchu Cities(or Eight Banners Provincial garrisons) in China proper<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper-2008-12-18T14:06:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Map of Manchu Cities(or Eight Banners Provincial garrisons) in China proper"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:06:00.000Z-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper"></span>Hi, I like your maps so much that I copy/paste 2 maps onto my user page. If you have maps of Eight Banners Provincial garrisons in whole China that will be very nice, can be used on <a href="/wiki/Qing" class="mw-redirect" title="Qing">Qing</a> and related articles. Thanks.<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Arilang1234" title="User:Arilang1234"><font style="color:white;background:#008000;"> Arilang </font></a></span></small><font color="blue"> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arilang1234" title="User talk:Arilang1234"><i>talk</i></a></sup></font></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:06:00.000Z-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:06:00.000Z-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:06:00.000Z-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:53:00.000Z-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper"></span>Arilang's reply at my talk page.<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Arilang1234" title="User:Arilang1234"><font style="color:white;background:#008000;"> Arilang </font></a></span></small><font color="blue"> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arilang1234" title="User talk:Arilang1234"><i>talk</i></a></sup></font></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:53:00.000Z-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:53:00.000Z-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:53:00.000Z-Map_of_Manchu_Cities(or_Eight_Banners_Provincial_garrisons)_in_China_proper"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2008-12-18T15:25:00.000Z-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:53:00.000Z"></span>My user page now provide my email. <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2008-12-18T15:25:00.000Z-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:25, 18 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2008-12-18T15:25:00.000Z-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2008-12-18T15:25:00.000Z-Arilang1234-2008-12-18T14:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Tang_Code" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Tang_Code-2008-12-21T02:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Tang_Code-2008-12-21T02:38:00.000Z"></span>Re: <a href="/wiki/Tang_Code" title="Tang Code">Tang Code</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Tang_Code-2008-12-21T02:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: Re: Tang Code"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Madalibi-2008-12-21T02:38:00.000Z-Re:_Tang_Code"></span>Thank you for <i>your</i> additions! The article looks much more substantial, now. I'm looking forward to all your maps on Chinese history. Cheers, <a href="/wiki/User:Madalibi" title="User:Madalibi">Madalibi</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Madalibi" title="User talk:Madalibi">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Madalibi-2008-12-21T02:38:00.000Z-Re:_Tang_Code" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Madalibi-2008-12-21T02:38:00.000Z-Re:_Tang_Code"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Madalibi-2008-12-21T02:38:00.000Z-Re:_Tang_Code"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Latest_Athens" data-mw-thread-id="h-Latest_Athens-2008-12-21T23:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Latest_Athens-2008-12-21T23:20:00.000Z"></span>Latest Athens<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Latest_Athens-2008-12-21T23:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Latest Athens"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Apostolos_Margaritis-2008-12-21T23:20:00.000Z-Latest_Athens"></span>This French guy just returned from Athens. Brilliant stuff! See: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://ubifaciunt.blogspot.com/2008/12/la-grece-des-cavernes.html">[5]</a> </p><p><small>Ne rien avoir emporté non plus, à l’heure de monter dans l’avion, lois d’exceptions permanentes, mesures anti-terroristes, quand un livre devient une pièce à charge et le numéro de téléphone d’un ami étranger la preuve d’un complot international. </small></p><p><small>Ne pas avoir pris de notes, pendant ces quatre jours, des fois que… Ne rien avoir rapporté, sinon ces souvenirs aussi brumeux que les lacrymos faisant pleurer Athènes. </small></p><p><small>Ces nuits où la Grèce n’aura jamais été aussi belle du deuil et de la rage, de la fureur et du mystère, du silence et des flammes. </small></p><p><small>Athènes dont le plus beau marbre est celui jeté à la gueule des porcs assassins d’un gamin de quinze ans, d’un avocat véreux, d’un Etat qui vacille. Athènes où les applaudissements éclatent en même temps que les vitrines. Athènes qui brûle pour Alexis et s’en fait une joie.</small> </p><p>ETC ETC <a href="/wiki/User:Apostolos_Margaritis" title="User:Apostolos Margaritis">Apostolos Margaritis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Apostolos_Margaritis" title="User talk:Apostolos Margaritis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Apostolos_Margaritis-2008-12-21T23:20:00.000Z-Latest_Athens" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Apostolos_Margaritis-2008-12-21T23:20:00.000Z-Latest_Athens"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Apostolos_Margaritis-2008-12-21T23:20:00.000Z-Latest_Athens"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Location_map_Canada" data-mw-thread-id="h-Location_map_Canada-2008-12-30T11:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Location_map_Canada-2008-12-30T11:52:00.000Z"></span>Location map Canada<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Location_map_Canada-2008-12-30T11:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: Location map Canada"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NordNordWest-2008-12-30T11:52:00.000Z-Location_map_Canada"></span>Hello! <a class="external text" href="https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AKartenwerkstatt%2FPositionskarten%2FNordamerika&diff=54206840&oldid=54177930">Here</a> you say the map of Canada is wrong because of a wrong projection. I don't understand why you said so. This map works fine as a location map and is one of the first location maps in a conic projection. Conic projections are planned for all countries near to the poles and with a hugh west-eastern extension like Canada, Russia, USA or Greenland. Regards, --<a href="/wiki/User:NordNordWest" title="User:NordNordWest">NNW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NordNordWest" title="User talk:NordNordWest">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-NordNordWest-2008-12-30T11:52:00.000Z-Location_map_Canada" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NordNordWest-2008-12-30T11:52:00.000Z-Location_map_Canada"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NordNordWest-2008-12-30T11:52:00.000Z-Location_map_Canada"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Voting_at_wikisource" data-mw-thread-id="h-Voting_at_wikisource-2009-01-01T04:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Voting_at_wikisource-2009-01-01T04:19:00.000Z"></span>Voting at wikisource<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Voting_at_wikisource-2009-01-01T04:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Voting at wikisource"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arilang1234-2009-01-01T04:19:00.000Z-Voting_at_wikisource"></span>Hi, Chinese <i>Charter 08</i> is facing problem at wikisource, could you go over there and cast your vote? <a class="external free" href="https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8#.E6.87.89.E5.90.A6.E5.85.81.E8.A8.B1PD-manifesto">http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8#.E6.87.89.E5.90.A6.E5.85.81.E8.A8.B1PD-manifesto</a><br/> I have casted mine(user name阿拉伯王子), so had user Coppertwig.<i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Arilang1234" title="User:Arilang1234"><font style="color:white;background:#008000;"> Arilang </font></a></span></small><font color="blue"> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arilang1234" title="User talk:Arilang1234"><i>talk</i></a></sup></font></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Arilang1234-2009-01-01T04:19:00.000Z-Voting_at_wikisource" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arilang1234-2009-01-01T04:19:00.000Z-Voting_at_wikisource"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arilang1234-2009-01-01T04:19:00.000Z-Voting_at_wikisource"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Map_Requests" data-mw-thread-id="h-Map_Requests-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Map_Requests-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z"></span>Map Requests<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Map_Requests-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Map Requests"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z-Map_Requests"></span>I don't approve of the archiving of all of the current map requests - I don't mind redirecting to a map lab, but if so lets start with the active requests - those articles still need maps. <a href="/wiki/User:Kmusser" title="User:Kmusser">Kmusser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmusser" title="User talk:Kmusser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Kmusser-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z-Map_Requests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z-Map_Requests"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kmusser-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z-Map_Requests"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-01-23T14:53:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z"></span>The previous project was death : 40edits a year, take a look at the French or German Maps labs : they created 2500 maps in 3 years (~3 maps a day). The English wikipedia alone can do the same, if well structured.</dd> <dd>That's what I'm doing : I'm creating a new friendly place, based on German and French successful strategies.</dd> <dd>The page have been archived, and it will be easy for us [and encouraged] to pick up request from this archive. You can help to this ! by picking up suitable request (1. have a source available ; 2. explain clearly the request ; 3. will fill an article need).</dd> <dd>I do my best to wake up this side of Wikipedia, we can do better on the map side. <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-01-23T14:53:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-01-23T14:53:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-01-23T14:53:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-23T14:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-23T16:11:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-23T14:53:00.000Z"></span>My main concern is I don't want to hide the several thousand outstanding map requests - maybe just calling it something else, to me "archive" implies that there is nothing there still relevant, maybe calling it "old unfilled requests" - there should be a prominent link to the map requests category as well, I'll admit I pull more from the category than from that map request page, and currently map requests made directly to my talk page have been enough to keep me busy. <a href="/wiki/User:Kmusser" title="User:Kmusser">Kmusser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmusser" title="User talk:Kmusser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Kmusser-2009-01-23T16:11:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-23T14:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-23T16:11:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-23T14:53:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kmusser-2009-01-23T16:11:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-23T14:53:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-01-23T16:20:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-23T16:11:00.000Z"></span>I understand your concern. The name is not important for me, you are free to rename the page if you want ;] But keep it as an old inactive page : the important now to successfully launch the Map lab.</dd> <dd>For users picking up requests on the Category:Map_request : I hope graphists, or users, will do so and bring requests back to the active Map lab ! All the move, here, is in fact to move from a cold and unencouraging request list, to a warm and active Map forum, where tips are share, and graphists have fun to learn a lot quickly.</dd> <dd>I hope that we will have enough success to do all of this : see the quick rising of a local Map lab ; and see users picking up old requests to satisfied them. Time will say. <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-01-23T16:20:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-23T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-01-23T16:20:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-23T16:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-01-23T16:20:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-23T16:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-26T15:10:00.000Z-Map_Requests"></span>Ok, on thinking about it I'm fine with that as long as we say there are unfilled requests there, I tried to edit the Lab page but your syntax defeated me - I think there should be a link to the archive and the map request category fairly prominently on the lab page, the text I tried to add is: </p> <dl><dd>Older unfilled requests can be found in the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop/Archive_01" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop/Archive 01">Archive</a> or in <a href="/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_maps" title="Category:Wikipedia requested maps">Category:Wikipedia requested maps</a> and can be brought forward to this page in order to be worked on.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Kmusser" title="User:Kmusser">Kmusser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmusser" title="User talk:Kmusser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Kmusser-2009-01-26T15:10:00.000Z-Map_Requests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-26T15:10:00.000Z-Map_Requests"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kmusser-2009-01-26T15:10:00.000Z-Map_Requests"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z-Map_Requests"></span>Thanks, and thanks for all the work you're doing on the Maps project page. For the clarification notes you put on the colors I can explain one of them - the secondary political borders is for if you're showing multiple levels of subdivisions on the same maps, for example I'd use the primary borders color for states and the secondary borders color for counties if both need to be on one map - feel free to rephrase the description - it's admittedly one that isn't adhered to much, many maps, mine included use gray borders of varying widths instead. I don't know what the 4-color map suggestions are for, we don't generally have 4-color type maps on wikipedia and I can't think of any examples using them.<a href="/wiki/User:Kmusser" title="User:Kmusser">Kmusser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmusser" title="User talk:Kmusser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z-Map_Requests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z-Map_Requests"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z-Map_Requests"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-01-27T14:38:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z"></span>Ok, noticed. Thanks ;] <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-01-27T14:38:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-01-27T14:38:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-01-27T14:38:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T16:12:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-27T14:38:00.000Z"></span>If you need an example for the technical maps, we don't really have any standards for that but I'd nominate <a href="/wiki/File:Ph_map_manila.svg" title="File:Ph map manila.svg">File:Ph map manila.svg</a> as something to aim for. <a href="/wiki/User:Kmusser" title="User:Kmusser">Kmusser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmusser" title="User talk:Kmusser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T16:12:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-27T14:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T16:12:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-27T14:38:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T16:12:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-27T14:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-01-27T16:26:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z"></span>Ok, noticed. The page <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MapMaster" class="extiw" title="commons:User:MapMaster">commons:User:MapMaster</a> also have some interesting technical/archeolical maps.</dd> <dd>If you want start the stub of the /Technical maps : you are free to do so !</dd> <dd>I need to go to walk ! Death to the web and computers ! <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-01-27T16:26:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</a> :]<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-01-27T16:26:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-01-27T16:26:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T17:24:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-27T16:26:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, I like MapMaster's maps as well, sorry I haven't done much to help, the actual day job is keeping me too busy. <a href="/wiki/User:Kmusser" title="User:Kmusser">Kmusser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmusser" title="User talk:Kmusser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T17:24:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-27T16:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T17:24:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-27T16:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kmusser-2009-01-27T17:24:00.000Z-Yug-2009-01-27T16:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kmusser-2009-02-04T14:00:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z"></span>Sounds good, I'm all in favor of more code generated maps, much better in the long run than having to custom make one for every article. <a href="/wiki/User:Kmusser" title="User:Kmusser">Kmusser</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kmusser" title="User talk:Kmusser">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Kmusser-2009-02-04T14:00:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kmusser-2009-02-04T14:00:00.000Z-Kmusser-2009-01-27T14:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span 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Thank you. ~<a href="/wiki/User:Mdd4696" title="User:Mdd4696">MDD</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mdd4696" title="User talk:Mdd4696">46</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mdd4696" title="Special:Contributions/Mdd4696">96</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Mdd4696-2009-02-27T02:18:00.000Z-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Russian_Tame_Silver_Fox.jpg" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mdd4696-2009-02-27T02:18:00.000Z-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Russian_Tame_Silver_Fox.jpg"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mdd4696-2009-02-27T02:18:00.000Z-Replaceable_fair_use_Image:Russian_Tame_Silver_Fox.jpg"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie" data-mw-thread-id="h-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z"></span>Tutoriels de Topo-Cartographie<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=18" title="Edit section: Tutoriels de Topo-Cartographie"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JaneVannin-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie"></span>Salut Yug! Merci pour ces mots gentils. J'ai ajouté un champ de pourcentage après chaque titre. Je n'ai pas beaucoup fait sur ces traductions ces derniers mois, mais j'espère maintenant pouvoir travailler dessus un peu plus. <a href="/wiki/User:JaneVannin" title="User:JaneVannin">JaneVannin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:JaneVannin" title="User talk:JaneVannin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-JaneVannin-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JaneVannin-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JaneVannin-2009-04-06T11:33:00.000Z-Tutoriels_de_Topo-Cartographie"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Swine_influenza" data-mw-thread-id="h-Swine_influenza-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Swine_influenza-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z"></span>Swine influenza<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Swine_influenza-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=19" title="Edit section: Swine influenza"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z-Swine_influenza"></span>Hey there. Yes, I do see your argument, but unfortunately with organisations like the CDC and WHO all referring to this as "swine influenza" (see <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html">WHO for example</a>) we have to do the same on Wikipedia. Once we have more information on this H1N1 strain we could split the articles into one on this human-transmissible strain and a second more general one about "swine influenza", but presently we're stuck with this nomenclature. <a href="/wiki/User:TimVickers" title="User:TimVickers">Tim Vickers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TimVickers" title="User talk:TimVickers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z-Swine_influenza" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z-Swine_influenza"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z-Swine_influenza"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:32:00.000Z-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z"></span>I know, it is a problem but I'm not sure what to do about it. <a href="/wiki/User:TimVickers" title="User:TimVickers">Tim Vickers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TimVickers" title="User talk:TimVickers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:32:00.000Z-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:32:00.000Z-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:32:00.000Z-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:51:00.000Z-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:32:00.000Z"></span>OK, so split the article into <a href="/wiki/Swine_flu" class="mw-redirect" title="Swine flu">Swine flu</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Swine_flu_(farming)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Swine flu (farming) (page does not exist)">swine flu (farming)</a>? Then we can move all the purely pig-related material into the farming article. I don't think we can just redirect swine flu, since that article needs to discuss the previous "swine flu" human outbreaks. <a href="/wiki/User:TimVickers" title="User:TimVickers">Tim Vickers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TimVickers" title="User talk:TimVickers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:51:00.000Z-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:51:00.000Z-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:32:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:51:00.000Z-TimVickers-2009-04-29T23:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Una_Smith-2009-04-30T03:05:00.000Z-Swine_influenza"></span>Hi Yug. I sympathize with your frustration. <a href="/wiki/Swine_influenza" title="Swine influenza">Swine influenza</a> should be quieter tomorrow, now that the "In the news" blurb on the <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Main Page">Main Page</a> no longer links to it. Also, you can help to innoculate the article against content about the human outbreak by adding more content about swine flu in swine. Are you up for that? --<a href="/wiki/User:Una_Smith" title="User:Una Smith">Una Smith</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Una_Smith" title="User talk:Una Smith">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Una_Smith-2009-04-30T03:05:00.000Z-Swine_influenza" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Una_Smith-2009-04-30T03:05:00.000Z-Swine_influenza"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Una_Smith-2009-04-30T03:05:00.000Z-Swine_influenza"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-04-30T03:13:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-04-30T03:05:00.000Z"></span>Nope, I'm student in Chinese asn History studies only ;) , and old wikipedian, that's all. I see that this articles is going in a bad direction, hour after hour overlapping more the <a href="/wiki/2009_swine_flu_outbreak" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 swine flu outbreak">2009 swine flu outbreak</a>. I try to stop that now, that's all what I can do. Thanks for your support !<a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-04-30T03:13:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-04-30T03:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)</a> [and I have to sleep now to...]<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-04-30T03:13:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-04-30T03:05:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-04-30T03:13:00.000Z-Una_Smith-2009-04-30T03:05:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Pig_image" data-mw-thread-id="h-Pig_image-2009-05-01T20:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Pig_image-2009-05-01T20:14:00.000Z"></span>Pig image<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Pig_image-2009-05-01T20:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=20" title="Edit section: Pig image"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TimVickers-2009-05-01T20:14:00.000Z-Pig_image"></span>I haven't seen nausea or vomiting listed as symptoms in pigs - I'm not sure how you could tell that a pig is feeling nauseous! I'd refer to <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/121407.htm">this source</a> for symptoms. <a href="/wiki/User:TimVickers" title="User:TimVickers">Tim Vickers</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:TimVickers" title="User talk:TimVickers">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-TimVickers-2009-05-01T20:14:00.000Z-Pig_image" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TimVickers-2009-05-01T20:14:00.000Z-Pig_image"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TimVickers-2009-05-01T20:14:00.000Z-Pig_image"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="China_in_Africa" data-mw-thread-id="h-China_in_Africa-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-China_in_Africa-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z"></span>China in Africa<span data-mw-comment-end="h-China_in_Africa-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=21" title="Edit section: China in Africa"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Badagnani-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z-China_in_Africa"></span>I copyedited a lot. <a href="/wiki/User:Badagnani" title="User:Badagnani">Badagnani</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Badagnani" title="User talk:Badagnani">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Badagnani-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z-China_in_Africa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:48, 28 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Badagnani-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z-China_in_Africa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Badagnani-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z-China_in_Africa"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-05-28T20:51:00.000Z-Badagnani-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z"></span>See and watch <a href="/wiki/Talk:China_in_Africa" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:China in Africa">Talk:China in Africa</a> for this talk. ;) <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-05-28T20:51:00.000Z-Badagnani-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)</a> + thanks !<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-05-28T20:51:00.000Z-Badagnani-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-05-28T20:51:00.000Z-Badagnani-2009-05-28T20:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:11:00.000Z-Yug-2009-05-28T20:51:00.000Z"></span>I'm sure you can't tell, but the article (which you wrote the majority of) cannot be read as it is. I am not trying to sound mean, but your English is not good. So my goal with this article is to take the info that you put, try and interpret what you are trying to say, and rewrite the sentences so that they can be read by the average English speaking reader. I know that some facts got taken out (which is inevitable with such a long article) like the silk thing. However, it didnt make any sense in relation to its surrounding sentences, so it made more sense to take out that one sentence that to explain that Silk originated in China, how it got to Africa through Rome, etc.</dd> <dd>Your article is not about the US, the UK, and France in Africa, it is about the PRC in Africa. This means that you do <i>not</i> have to have an entire section dedicated to the USA, Taiwan, the UK and France, you just have to mention them, and they are. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Onopearls" title="User:Onopearls"><b><span style="color: silver">Ono</span><span style="color: #92000a">pearls</span></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onopearls" title="User talk:Onopearls">t</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Onopearls" title="Special:Contributions/Onopearls">c</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:11:00.000Z-Yug-2009-05-28T20:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:11:00.000Z-Yug-2009-05-28T20:51:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:11:00.000Z-Yug-2009-05-28T20:51:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:28:00.000Z-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:11:00.000Z"></span>Not a problem. :) I don't have the time needed to dedicate myself to fixing the entire article in one sitting. However, I will work as much as I can on it when I get the chance, and hopefully it will be finished within the next week. Thanks, <a href="/wiki/User:Onopearls" title="User:Onopearls"><b><span style="color: silver">Ono</span><span style="color: #92000a">pearls</span></b></a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Onopearls" title="User talk:Onopearls">t</a>/<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Onopearls" title="Special:Contributions/Onopearls">c</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:28:00.000Z-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:28:00.000Z-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:28:00.000Z-Onopearls-2009-06-11T16:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Discott-2010-01-03T16:25:00.000Z-China_in_Africa"></span>Hello Yug, I see you have a deep interest in China in Africa. I want to invite you to our China in Africa discussion group that a group of us Tsinghua University and Cape Town University post-graduates have setup. Unfortunately I do not have your email address or I would send you an invitation directly. If you are interested you can join our group here at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://groups.google.com/group/ChinaAfrica">http://groups.google.com/group/ChinaAfrica</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Discott" title="User:Discott">Discott</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Discott" title="User talk:Discott">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Discott-2010-01-03T16:25:00.000Z-China_in_Africa" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:25, 3 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Discott-2010-01-03T16:25:00.000Z-China_in_Africa"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Discott-2010-01-03T16:25:00.000Z-China_in_Africa"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute-2009-05-31T21:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute-2009-05-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span>DYK nomination of The Energy and Resources Institute<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute-2009-05-31T21:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=22" title="Edit section: DYK nomination of The Energy and Resources Institute"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Shubinator-2009-05-31T21:38:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Symbol_question.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/25px-Symbol_question.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/38px-Symbol_question.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Symbol_question.svg/50px-Symbol_question.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="180" data-file-height="185"/></a></span> Hello! Your submission of <a href="/wiki/The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute" title="The Energy and Resources Institute">The Energy and Resources Institute</a> at the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:DYK" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:DYK">Did You Know nominations page</a> has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath <b><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Did you know nominations/The Energy and Resources Institute (page does not exist)">your nomination's entry</a></b> and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <a href="/wiki/User:Shubinator" title="User:Shubinator">Shubinator</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Shubinator" title="User talk:Shubinator">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Shubinator-2009-05-31T21:38:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Shubinator-2009-05-31T21:38:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Shubinator-2009-05-31T21:38:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_The_Energy_and_Resources_Institute"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Africa_China_references" data-mw-thread-id="h-Africa_China_references-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Africa_China_references-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z"></span>Africa China references<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Africa_China_references-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=23" title="Edit section: Africa China references"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z-Africa_China_references"></span>Please note that footnotes are generally preferred to whole article references on Wikipedia, as are wholly self-contained inline citations, hence why I significantly tweaked the referencing in the article and reverted your recent edits which undid my edits. Note that no references were deleted or substantively altered through my initial edits, and that the changes were quite labor-intensive to do. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cybercobra" title="User:Cybercobra">Cybercobra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cybercobra" title="User talk:Cybercobra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z-Africa_China_references" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z-Africa_China_references"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z-Africa_China_references"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T13:04:00.000Z-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z"></span>Responded on article talkpage. Hopefully another active editor of the article will give their input and help resolve our dispute. --<a href="/wiki/User:Cybercobra" title="User:Cybercobra">Cybercobra</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cybercobra" title="User talk:Cybercobra">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T13:04:00.000Z-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T13:04:00.000Z-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T13:04:00.000Z-Cybercobra-2009-06-09T12:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You're_welcome." data-mw-thread-id="h-You're_welcome.-2009-06-10T14:00:00.000Z"><span id="You.27re_welcome."></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You're_welcome.-2009-06-10T14:00:00.000Z"></span>You're welcome.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You're_welcome.-2009-06-10T14:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=24" title="Edit section: You're welcome."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Caeruleancentaur-2009-06-10T14:00:00.000Z-You're_welcome."></span>I'm glad to help out. Let me know if you need this kind of help in the future. <a href="/wiki/User:Caeruleancentaur" title="User:Caeruleancentaur">Caeruleancentaur</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Caeruleancentaur" title="User talk:Caeruleancentaur">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Caeruleancentaur-2009-06-10T14:00:00.000Z-You're_welcome." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Caeruleancentaur-2009-06-10T14:00:00.000Z-You're_welcome."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Caeruleancentaur-2009-06-10T14:00:00.000Z-You're_welcome."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Arilang_say_Hi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Arilang_say_Hi-2009-06-16T21:38:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Arilang_say_Hi-2009-06-16T21:38:00.000Z"></span>Arilang say Hi<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Arilang_say_Hi-2009-06-16T21:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=25" title="Edit section: Arilang say Hi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arilang1234-2009-06-16T21:38:00.000Z-Arilang_say_Hi"></span>If you are interested in this discussion, please leave some comments. </p><p><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg" class="extiw" title="commons:File talk:Flag of the Republic of China.svg">commons:File talk:Flag of the Republic of China.svg</a><i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;"><a href="/wiki/User:Arilang1234" title="User:Arilang1234"><font style="color:white;background:#008000;"> Arilang </font></a></span></small><font color="blue"> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arilang1234" title="User talk:Arilang1234"><i>talk</i></a></sup></font></b></i> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Arilang1234-2009-06-16T21:38:00.000Z-Arilang_say_Hi" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arilang1234-2009-06-16T21:38:00.000Z-Arilang_say_Hi"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arilang1234-2009-06-16T21:38:00.000Z-Arilang_say_Hi"></span> </p> <ul><li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://library.dzbook.net/Sciences/ShowSoft.asp?SoftID=243">1</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.gxsd.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=300650">2</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:VXLzle-DNkwJ:library.dzbook.net/Sciences/ShowSoft.asp%3FSoftID%3D243+%22The.Cambridge.History.of.China,.Vol.12%EF%BC%9ARepublican.China,.1912-1949,.Part.1.pdf%22&cd=2&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr&client=firefox-a">3</a></li> <li><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.emule.com.cn/info_184444.html">4</a></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Popup_Translation_Tool" data-mw-thread-id="h-Popup_Translation_Tool-2009-07-13T07:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Popup_Translation_Tool-2009-07-13T07:08:00.000Z"></span>Popup Translation Tool<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Popup_Translation_Tool-2009-07-13T07:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=26" title="Edit section: Popup Translation Tool"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T07:08:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span>Thanks for the support about the Popup Translation Tool </p><p>If you would tell me what happens to you when you use it perhaps I can help you to get it to work. </p><p>What browser are you using? What is happening? Are there any popups? Does the "Translation Popup -ON/OFF" tab happen at the top right of the page? If the tab says "Translation Popup -- OFF" you need to click on the tab and turn on the effect. YOU NEED TO CLEAR THE CACHE before the tool will begin to work: Shift REFRESH for Firefox and CTRL REFRESH for IE. </p><p>I'll look at your monobook.js file and see if I can see anything </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-13T07:08:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T07:08:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T07:08:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T07:12:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span>Hi there, You can include my monobook file within your monobook.js file by simply adding </p><p>importScript('User:Endo999/monobook.js'); </p><p>This will properly add the file and you only have one line in your monobook.js file instead of many </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-13T07:12:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T07:12:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T07:12:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T08:21:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span>I have also put this gadget up for consideration on the french wikipedia if you are interested in seeing that happen over there. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-13T08:21:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T08:21:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T08:21:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T19:56:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> Thanks for the feedback and I'm glad you got the tool to work. I'll put in some of your suggestions over the next couple of days and get back to you. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-13T19:56:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T19:56:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-13T19:56:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-14T20:18:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span>Will look at the icons when I get off work today. Did you know you can select up to 500 characters of text and then hover the cursor inside the selected text and the tool will translate that selected text. Lots of people don't pick that up when they first use the tool. Google only translates 500 characters of text at a time or I could have more text translated. Thanks for looking at the tool and supporting it. <a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-14T20:18:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-14T20:18:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-14T20:18:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p><p><br/><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-18T07:10:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> I have looked at your comments and made the text within my popup window much simpler: 1) no 'close window' link 2) just '->French' instead of 'English:French' 3) just 'Source: Google' instead of 'Source: Google translate page?' 4) the arrangement of the text is slightly different. </p><p>I think the Source has to stay in there since this is an encyclopedia and you always need to have the source of where you get the information from. Google also might not be too pleased if I didn't put it in. </p><p>Thanks for the feedback. I'd like to make this a gadget in enwiki and appreciate your time on this matter. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-18T07:10:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-18T07:10:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-18T07:10:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-19T17:08:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span>Regarding your latest suggestions I will see what I can do in the next 2 or 3 days. I have to work this week so I don't have as much time to spend on popup translations as I would like. </p> <dl><dd>1) I probably can't do multiple translations because I just call google.translate() services and they only give one translation. I'm aware the google toolbar will give several but I don't have a mechanism to do that with.</dd> <dd>2) I can probably put the 'englishword: frenchtranslatedword' scheme in, for single words.</dd></dl> <p>A question to you: I have code in my own private stuff that does translation services for input fields and textareas. That is you can position the cursor over the input field and get a popup translation of the words within the input field. You can also, for input fields and textareas, replace the original text with the translated text. I use this to do google lookups on terms and words in languages other than English. You could, for instance, type in a word in French and have the English term replace the French term within the input field or textarea. </p><p>Are you interested in such a service in your Wikipedia work. I could, given about a week, splice this code into the already existing translation popup code. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-19T17:08:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-19T17:08:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-19T17:08:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-20T07:12:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span>I have put the pretranslated word in the popup. This only happens for single word lookup. For selected text it still only puts the translation in. </p><p>Can you get TheDJ to have another look at my gadget. He said he would put it up but then he would no longer answer any of my messages. I am blacklisted in Australia and I think it spread to him. He was very positive about the tool and then he would no longer respond to any messages. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-20T07:12:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-20T07:12:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-20T07:12:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-07-20T20:28:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span>Well, thanks for putting my case to TheDJ. Hopefully I'll get an answer. You can use this tool on the Chinese Wikipedia as well. For Chinese to French I believe it will translate all the Chinese the cursor points to up to a space or comma so it will not strictly do 1 word translations (since there is no real space character in that language). In your Chinese Wikipedia monobook page I believe the following will work: </p><p>importScript('en:User:Endo999/monobook.js'); </p><p>I mention this because I believe you are learning Chinese as well. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Endo999" title="Special:Contributions/Endo999">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-07-20T20:28:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-07-20T20:28:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-07-20T20:28:00.000Z-Popup_Translation_Tool"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Degree" data-mw-thread-id="h-Degree-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Degree-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z"></span>Degree<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Degree-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=27" title="Edit section: Degree"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z-Degree"></span>What are you taking in university?<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.3.103.39" title="Special:Contributions/174.3.103.39">174.3.103.39</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.3.103.39" title="User talk:174.3.103.39">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z-Degree" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z-Degree"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z-Degree"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-07-15T12:20:00.000Z-174.3.103.39-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z"></span>Currently double studies : Chinese (Master) and History (Bachelor). I'm French.</dd> <dd>In september 2009 : Management, in Taiwan. Why ? <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-07-15T12:20:00.000Z-174.3.103.39-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-07-15T12:20:00.000Z-174.3.103.39-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-07-15T12:20:00.000Z-174.3.103.39-2009-07-15T11:34:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T05:26:00.000Z-Yug-2009-07-15T12:20:00.000Z"></span>Oh, just curious:)<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.3.103.39" title="Special:Contributions/174.3.103.39">174.3.103.39</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.3.103.39" title="User talk:174.3.103.39">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T05:26:00.000Z-Yug-2009-07-15T12:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T05:26:00.000Z-Yug-2009-07-15T12:20:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T05:26:00.000Z-Yug-2009-07-15T12:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-07-16T12:31:00.000Z-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T05:26:00.000Z"></span>« Just curious », oh, fine, you are in the good website. <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-07-16T12:31:00.000Z-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T05:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-07-16T12:31:00.000Z-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T05:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-07-16T12:31:00.000Z-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T05:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Accounts" data-mw-thread-id="h-Accounts-2009-07-16T06:39:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Accounts-2009-07-16T06:39:00.000Z"></span>Accounts<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Accounts-2009-07-16T06:39:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=28" title="Edit section: Accounts"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T06:39:00.000Z-Accounts"></span>Your welcome; if you need more help, let me know. I used to have an account, but people were giving me a tough time.<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.3.103.39" title="Special:Contributions/174.3.103.39">174.3.103.39</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:174.3.103.39" title="User talk:174.3.103.39">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T06:39:00.000Z-Accounts" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T06:39:00.000Z-Accounts"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-174.3.103.39-2009-07-16T06:39:00.000Z-Accounts"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Energy_security_of_China" data-mw-thread-id="h-Energy_security_of_China-2009-07-28T18:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Energy_security_of_China-2009-07-28T18:22:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Energy_security_of_China" title="Energy security of China">Energy security of China</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Energy_security_of_China-2009-07-28T18:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=29" title="Edit section: Energy security of China"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rjanag-2009-07-28T18:22:00.000Z-Energy_security_of_China"></span>Thank you for all your hard work on improving this article. Please remember, though, to use <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">edit summaries</a> when making major additions or changes. Thanks, <b class="Unicode"><a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag" title="User:Rjanag">r<span style="color:#8B0000;">ʨ</span>anaɢ</a></b> <small><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rjanag" title="User talk:Rjanag">talk</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rjanag" title="Special:Contributions/Rjanag">contribs</a></sub></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Rjanag-2009-07-28T18:22:00.000Z-Energy_security_of_China" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rjanag-2009-07-28T18:22:00.000Z-Energy_security_of_China"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rjanag-2009-07-28T18:22:00.000Z-Energy_security_of_China"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member-2009-08-20T21:49:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member-2009-08-20T21:49:00.000Z"></span>Help for a new Wikipedia member<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member-2009-08-20T21:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=30" title="Edit section: Help for a new Wikipedia member"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-20T21:49:00.000Z-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member"></span>Hello Yug, </p><p>Thank you for your message, </p><p>I am not sure how to use these talk and user pages on Wikipedia. Can you help me? </p><p>Am I messaging you in the right way here? </p><p>What sort of thing should I put on my user page? </p><p>Many thanks, </p><p>Helen McCall <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Helen_McCall" title="User:Helen McCall">Helen McCall</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Helen_McCall" title="User talk:Helen McCall">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Helen_McCall" title="Special:Contributions/Helen McCall">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-20T21:49:00.000Z-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-20T21:49:00.000Z-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-20T21:49:00.000Z-Help_for_a_new_Wikipedia_member"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="East_Asian_Calligraphy" data-mw-thread-id="h-East_Asian_Calligraphy-2009-08-27T05:31:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-East_Asian_Calligraphy-2009-08-27T05:31:00.000Z"></span>East Asian Calligraphy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-East_Asian_Calligraphy-2009-08-27T05:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=31" title="Edit section: East Asian Calligraphy"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bathrobe-2009-08-27T05:31:00.000Z-East_Asian_Calligraphy"></span>Yug, I'm currently engaged in a discussion with user Asoer on whether East Asian Calligraphy is "calligraphy" or not. You've contributed to the article on East Asian Calligraphy before, so I wonder if you could have a look in. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:East_Asian_calligraphy#Calligraphy_not_an_.22art.22">[6]</a> </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Bathrobe" title="User:Bathrobe">Bathrobe</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bathrobe" title="User talk:Bathrobe">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Bathrobe-2009-08-27T05:31:00.000Z-East_Asian_Calligraphy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bathrobe-2009-08-27T05:31:00.000Z-East_Asian_Calligraphy"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bathrobe-2009-08-27T05:31:00.000Z-East_Asian_Calligraphy"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="OpenShot_Editing" data-mw-thread-id="h-OpenShot_Editing-2009-08-29T13:42:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-OpenShot_Editing-2009-08-29T13:42:00.000Z"></span>OpenShot Editing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-OpenShot_Editing-2009-08-29T13:42:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=32" title="Edit section: OpenShot Editing"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:42:00.000Z-OpenShot_Editing"></span>Hello Yug, </p><p>Many thanks for your tip on {{Under Construction}} </p><p>I am learning very fast! ;-) </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Helen_McCall" title="User:Helen McCall">Helen McCall</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Helen_McCall" title="User talk:Helen McCall">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:42:00.000Z-OpenShot_Editing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:42:00.000Z-OpenShot_Editing"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:42:00.000Z-OpenShot_Editing"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML" data-mw-thread-id="h-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z"></span>Help needed on Special Export to XML<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=33" title="Edit section: Help needed on Special Export to XML"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML"></span>Hello again Yug, </p><p>I am trying to export the openshot page as XML. </p><p>I tried using the Special:Export page, but when I pushed the button to export, the XML file did not appear anywhere. </p><p>How do I download the XML export. </p><p>Many thanks, </p><p>--<a href="/wiki/User:Helen_McCall" title="User:Helen McCall">Helen McCall</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Helen_McCall" title="User talk:Helen McCall">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z-Help_needed_on_Special_Export_to_XML"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-08-29T19:45:00.000Z-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z"></span>Hello Helen,</dd> <dd>Yes, nice to see you progress fast ;)</dd> <dd>You want to get the OpenShot article into XML version ? I never seen such tool. But try <a href="/wiki/Special:Export/OpenShot_Video_Editor" title="Special:Export/OpenShot Video Editor">Special:Export/OpenShot Video Editor</a> (is this XML?)</dd> <dd>The introduction is there : <a href="/wiki/Special:Export" title="Special:Export">Special:Export</a>, they also say that some parameters are possible.</dd> <dd>PDF ? a pdf version is available <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Book/render_article/&arttitle=OpenShot+Video+Editor&oldid=310717693&writer=rl">there</a> (<a href="/wiki/OpenShot" title="OpenShot">OpenShot</a> page > Find "PDF version"), which may be converte into XML... maybe (never tryed).</dd> <dd>HTML ? like all web page => View > Page source.</dd> <dd>Good luck O.o <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-08-29T19:45:00.000Z-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-08-29T19:45:00.000Z-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-08-29T19:45:00.000Z-Helen_McCall-2009-08-29T13:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup" data-mw-thread-id="h-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup-2009-09-04T21:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup-2009-09-04T21:19:00.000Z"></span>Translation Popups -- SHIFT key down now necessary to get popup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup-2009-09-04T21:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=34" title="Edit section: Translation Popups -- SHIFT key down now necessary to get popup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-09-04T21:19:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"></span>Hi there, </p><p>Due to some work that cacycle suggested it is now necessary to hold the SHIFT key down in order to get the popup to work. You can turn this new feature off by clicking on the <b>Translation Popups</b> tab at the top of the page and clicking on the relevant link within the popup that turns this feature off. </p><p>Thanks for your suggestions on the system. I hope you are finding it useful if you are still using it. </p><p>I had to make an item on Wikipedia:Alerts in order to get TheDJ to write back to me. He suggested I resubmit my proposal, which I did. From there cacycle said that after some changes he suggested he would really like to see the code become a gadget. However, after a day of communications, he seems to have stopped communicating with me too. </p><p>I have code that makes the popup effect happen on input fields and/or textareas. With these two types of fields you have the option of replacing the text within the input areas with the translated text coming from Google. Please let me know if you are interested in such an extension to the system. It is quite good code and I don't really want to make it public domain if it is not going to be used. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-09-04T21:19:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-09-04T21:19:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-09-04T21:19:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-09-24T00:53:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"></span>Hi Yug, </p><p>The google translation code of mine finally became a gadget under the name GoogleTrans. Thanks for your suggestions in simplying the popup window. Most of them got in. You'll have to tell me if you use the tool for Chinese, which you seem to study. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-09-24T00:53:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-09-24T00:53:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-09-24T00:53:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-09-26T00:23:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"></span>Hi Yug, </p><p>Your suggestion to make the popup instantaneous has got in. The popup will happen now within 1/4 of a second of putting the shift key down, which is basically instantaneous from the users point of view. </p><p>The tool is only a gadget on enwiki with earlier versions on eswiki and ptwiki. If you want to put it up on zhwiki then go right ahead. There will just be some string changes and changing the domainname from en.wikipedia.org to zh.wikipedia.org and the thing should carry over okay. </p><p>When translating chinese to english, because chinese doesn't have a space operator, text is translated in phrases between spaces and punctuation marks. </p><p>The discussion page for the gadget is now <a href="/wiki/User:Endo999/GoogleTrans" title="User:Endo999/GoogleTrans">User:Endo999/GoogleTrans</a>. </p><p>Thanks for your help again. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-09-26T00:23:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-09-26T00:23:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-09-26T00:23:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2009-09-26T15:53:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"></span>Hi Yug, </p><p>You are supposed to control the popups by using the SHIFT key. When you don't want the popups you have the SHIFT key up, when you want them you hold the SHIFT key down. If you turn the SHIFT key option off then the interval for checking is still 1 second. Thanks for you feedback again. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2009-09-26T15:53:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2009-09-26T15:53:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2009-09-26T15:53:00.000Z-Translation_Popups_--_SHIFT_key_down_now_necessary_to_get_popup"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Request_for_graphic_conversion_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help-2009-09-22T19:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help-2009-09-22T19:47:00.000Z"></span>Request for graphic conversion help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help-2009-09-22T19:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=35" title="Edit section: Request for graphic conversion help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Keahapana-2009-09-22T19:47:00.000Z-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help"></span>Hi Yug. May I ask your help again with how to convert ancient Chinese characters? I was able to do it before using Adobe CS3 but now seem to have forgotten a step. I copy the original Richard Sears GIF, open it in Firefox and resize, open it in Illustrator, use Live Trace to clean up the image, and save as SVG. The result now has jagged rather than smooth lines. Would you have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Or can you tell me an easier way to convert to SVG? Thanks in advance. <a href="/wiki/User:Keahapana" title="User:Keahapana">Keahapana</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Keahapana" title="User talk:Keahapana">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Keahapana-2009-09-22T19:47:00.000Z-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Keahapana-2009-09-22T19:47:00.000Z-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Keahapana-2009-09-22T19:47:00.000Z-Request_for_graphic_conversion_help"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Hey" data-mw-thread-id="h-Hey-2009-10-03T18:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Hey-2009-10-03T18:10:00.000Z"></span>Hey<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Hey-2009-10-03T18:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=36" title="Edit section: Hey"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Teeninvestor-2009-10-03T18:10:00.000Z-Hey"></span>Thanks for the encouragement. I'm not too sure about you thinking its always better to have your own government; in fact, it is better for areas with the same culture to be integrated, so they don't tariff each other/have wars/no free movement, etc... In this way, it would be better for Taiwan to be integrated into China so they can have free trade with mainland like hong Kong.<a href="/wiki/User:Teeninvestor" title="User:Teeninvestor">Teeninvestor</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Teeninvestor" title="User talk:Teeninvestor">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Teeninvestor-2009-10-03T18:10:00.000Z-Hey" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 3 October 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Teeninvestor-2009-10-03T18:10:00.000Z-Hey"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Teeninvestor-2009-10-03T18:10:00.000Z-Hey"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Locator_map_help" data-mw-thread-id="h-Locator_map_help-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Locator_map_help-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z"></span>Locator map help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Locator_map_help-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=37" title="Edit section: Locator map help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rennell435-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z-Locator_map_help"></span>Hey Yug! Do you think you can do me a favour--it's probably really easy for you, but I just don't get it. I want to get up a marked location map for <a href="/wiki/Serranilla_Bank" title="Serranilla Bank">Serranilla Bank</a> and <a href="/wiki/Bajo_Nuevo_Bank" title="Bajo Nuevo Bank">Bajo Nuevo Bank</a> in the Caribbean. The locator map needed is Colombia. The <a class="external text" href="https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Serranilla">Spanish versions</a> of the articles have the two locations marked. If you show me on one I can do the other. It'd be a huge help, and then I'd know how to do it in the future. Thankyou! <a href="/wiki/User:Rennell435" title="User:Rennell435">Rennell435</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rennell435" title="User talk:Rennell435">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Rennell435-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z-Locator_map_help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rennell435-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z-Locator_map_help"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rennell435-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z-Locator_map_help"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-11-02T11:42:00.000Z-Rennell435-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z"></span>Ok. I think I understand your need.</dd> <dd>You want add 2 dots, upon a Colombia map (<a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Mapa_Localizador_Colombia.svg&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Mapa Localizador Colombia.svg (page does not exist)">File:Mapa Localizador Colombia.svg</a>).</dd> <dd>You need the English-wikipedia template.</dd> <dd>I think you need <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Location_map%2B" title="Template:Location map+">Location map+</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. If not, please look within <a href="/wiki/Category:Location_map_templates" title="Category:Location map templates">Category:Location_map_templates</a>. Regards. <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-11-02T11:42:00.000Z-Rennell435-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-11-02T11:42:00.000Z-Rennell435-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-11-02T11:42:00.000Z-Rennell435-2009-11-02T03:27:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rennell435-2009-11-03T15:00:00.000Z-Yug-2009-11-02T11:42:00.000Z"></span>Thanks Yug!!! Good on ya! <a href="/wiki/User:Rennell435" title="User:Rennell435">Rennell435</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rennell435" title="User talk:Rennell435">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Rennell435-2009-11-03T15:00:00.000Z-Yug-2009-11-02T11:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rennell435-2009-11-03T15:00:00.000Z-Yug-2009-11-02T11:42:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rennell435-2009-11-03T15:00:00.000Z-Yug-2009-11-02T11:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Graphics_lab_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Graphics_lab_request-2009-11-07T09:32:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Graphics_lab_request-2009-11-07T09:32:00.000Z"></span>Graphics lab request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Graphics_lab_request-2009-11-07T09:32:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=38" title="Edit section: Graphics lab request"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Penubag-2009-11-07T09:32:00.000Z-Graphics_lab_request"></span>I've updated your request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Photography_workshop" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Photography workshop">Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Photography_workshop</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Penubag" title="User:Penubag"><b><span style="background:#00CCFF;color:#0066FF;font-size:84%"> penubag </span></b></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Penubag" title="User talk:Penubag">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Penubag-2009-11-07T09:32:00.000Z-Graphics_lab_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Penubag-2009-11-07T09:32:00.000Z-Graphics_lab_request"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Penubag-2009-11-07T09:32:00.000Z-Graphics_lab_request"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z"></span>Deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=39" title="Edit section: Deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-WBardwin-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z-Deletion"></span>Did you really mean to delete 57,000+ characters on the <a href="/wiki/Pandemic" title="Pandemic">Pandemic‎</a> article? <a href="/wiki/User:WBardwin" title="User:WBardwin">WBardwin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:WBardwin" title="User talk:WBardwin">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-WBardwin-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z-Deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-WBardwin-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z-Deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-WBardwin-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z-Deletion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2009-11-09T07:49:00.000Z-WBardwin-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z"></span>OUTCH ! XD ! I just checked the history before to believe it ! What that ? No, that was absolutely not my aim. I just added : <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Fact" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Fact">fact</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Why" title="Template:Why">why</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. (!!) Thanks for the undo. O.o --<a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2009-11-09T07:49:00.000Z-WBardwin-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2009-11-09T07:49:00.000Z-WBardwin-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2009-11-09T07:49:00.000Z-WBardwin-2009-11-09T07:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation" data-mw-thread-id="h-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation-2009-11-10T05:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation-2009-11-10T05:33:00.000Z"></span>ITN for Forum on China-Africa Cooperation<span data-mw-comment-end="h-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation-2009-11-10T05:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=40" title="Edit section: ITN for Forum on China-Africa Cooperation"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox standard-talk"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BorgQueen-2009-11-10T05:33:00.000Z-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome_globe_current_event.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Current events globe"><img alt="Current events globe" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/30px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/45px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/60px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td> <td>On 10 November 2009, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:In_the_news" title="Template:In the news">In the news</a></b> was updated with a news item that involved the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation" class="mw-redirect" title="Forum on China-Africa Cooperation">Forum on China-Africa Cooperation</a></b></i>, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates" title="Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates">candidates page</a>. </td></tr></tbody></table><p> --<a href="/wiki/User:BorgQueen" title="User:BorgQueen">BorgQueen</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BorgQueen" title="User talk:BorgQueen">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-BorgQueen-2009-11-10T05:33:00.000Z-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BorgQueen-2009-11-10T05:33:00.000Z-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BorgQueen-2009-11-10T05:33:00.000Z-ITN_for_Forum_on_China-Africa_Cooperation"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Africa_in_China" data-mw-thread-id="h-Africa_in_China-2009-11-10T19:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Africa_in_China-2009-11-10T19:07:00.000Z"></span>Africa in China<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Africa_in_China-2009-11-10T19:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=41" title="Edit section: Africa in China"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-77.103.8.120-2009-11-10T19:07:00.000Z-Africa_in_China"></span>Yug, I don't quite understand this. You support the democratization of Iran, yet you support Chinese involvement in Africa. Why is this? I'm not sure if you know, but China is a communist country that rejects (as stated in its Beijing Consensus) democracy as important. </p><p>Also, the paragraphs I note, they aren't cited, aren't written in a neutral point of view and are written by somebody that isn't even proficient in English. <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/77.103.8.120" title="Special:Contributions/77.103.8.120">77.103.8.120</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:77.103.8.120" title="User talk:77.103.8.120">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-77.103.8.120-2009-11-10T19:07:00.000Z-Africa_in_China" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-77.103.8.120-2009-11-10T19:07:00.000Z-Africa_in_China"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-77.103.8.120-2009-11-10T19:07:00.000Z-Africa_in_China"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan" data-mw-thread-id="h-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan-2009-11-24T00:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan-2009-11-24T00:56:00.000Z"></span>MfD nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan-2009-11-24T00:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=42" title="Edit section: MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-ArcAngel-2009-11-24T00:56:00.000Z-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan"></span>Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan</a>, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MfD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MfD">deletion</a>. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan_(3rd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan (3rd nomination)">Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan (3rd nomination)</a> and please be sure to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIG">sign your comments</a> with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan (page does not exist)">Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan</a> during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:ArcAngel" title="User:ArcAngel">ArcAngel</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:ArcAngel" title="User talk:ArcAngel">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-ArcAngel-2009-11-24T00:56:00.000Z-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-ArcAngel-2009-11-24T00:56:00.000Z-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-ArcAngel-2009-11-24T00:56:00.000Z-MfD_nomination_of_Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Khitan" data-mw-thread-id="h-Khitan-2009-12-05T00:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Khitan-2009-12-05T00:08:00.000Z"></span>Khitan<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Khitan-2009-12-05T00:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=43" title="Edit section: Khitan"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Delldot-2009-12-05T00:08:00.000Z-Khitan"></span>Hi, I've closed <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Khitan_(3rd_nomination)" title="Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan (3rd nomination)">Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Khitan (3rd nomination)</a>, consensus was to userfy it into your userspace. It's now at <a href="/wiki/User:Yug/Khitan" title="User:Yug/Khitan">User:Yug/Khitan</a>. Let me know if you have any questions or anything. Peace, <a href="/wiki/User:Delldot" title="User:Delldot"><span style="color:#990066;">delldot</span></a> <small><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Delldot" title="User talk:Delldot"><span style="color:DarkRed;">∇.</span></a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Delldot-2009-12-05T00:08:00.000Z-Khitan" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Delldot-2009-12-05T00:08:00.000Z-Khitan"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Delldot-2009-12-05T00:08:00.000Z-Khitan"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title" data-mw-thread-id="h-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title-2009-12-19T19:50:00.000Z"><span id="Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar.23Change_in_Title"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title-2009-12-19T19:50:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:Characters and wildlife in Avatar">Talk:Characters and wildlife in Avatar#Change in Title</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title-2009-12-19T19:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=44" title="Edit section: Talk:Characters and wildlife in Avatar#Change in Title"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Flyer22-2009-12-19T19:50:00.000Z-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title"></span>Hello, Yug. Would you mind commenting in the above linked discussion? Since you recently changed the title, your thoughts are needed. <a href="/wiki/User:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Flyer22">Flyer22</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Flyer22" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Flyer22">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Flyer22-2009-12-19T19:50:00.000Z-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Flyer22-2009-12-19T19:50:00.000Z-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Flyer22-2009-12-19T19:50:00.000Z-Talk:Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar#Change_in_Title"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion" data-mw-thread-id="h-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion-2009-12-24T19:53:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion-2009-12-24T19:53:00.000Z"></span>An article you have worked on is up for deletion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion-2009-12-24T19:53:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=45" title="Edit section: An article you have worked on is up for deletion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar" class="mw-redirect" title="Characters and wildlife in Avatar"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Dream_Focus-2009-12-24T19:53:00.000Z-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion"></span>Characters and wildlife in Avatar</a> is now sent to AFD. This message is being sent to everyone who worked on it, who isn't already there. <a href="/wiki/User:Dream_Focus" title="User:Dream Focus"> <b><span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span></b></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Dream_Focus-2009-12-24T19:53:00.000Z-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Dream_Focus-2009-12-24T19:53:00.000Z-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Dream_Focus-2009-12-24T19:53:00.000Z-An_article_you_have_worked_on_is_up_for_deletion"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar" data-mw-thread-id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion">AfD</a> nomination of <a href="/wiki/Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar" class="mw-redirect" title="Characters and wildlife in Avatar">Characters and wildlife in Avatar</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=46" title="Edit section: AfD nomination of Characters and wildlife in Avatar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erwin85Bot-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process" title="Wikipedia:Deletion process">deletion</a>. The nominated article is <a href="/wiki/Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar" class="mw-redirect" title="Characters and wildlife in Avatar">Characters and wildlife in Avatar</a>. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability" title="Wikipedia:Notability">Wikipedia:Notability</a> and "<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:NOT">What Wikipedia is not</a>"). </p><p>Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Characters and wildlife in Avatar">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Characters and wildlife in Avatar</a>. 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I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Erwin85Bot" title="User:Erwin85Bot">Erwin85Bot</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erwin85Bot" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Erwin85Bot">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Erwin85Bot-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:15, 25 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erwin85Bot-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erwin85Bot-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z-AfD_nomination_of_Characters_and_wildlife_in_Avatar"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erik-2009-12-27T18:38:00.000Z-Erwin85Bot-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z"></span>Hello, it helps to have bullet points instead of section headings for the fauna and flora. Usually, sections have multiple paragraphs, and it's not necessary to have headings here until we can add enough real-world context. One creature had too many paragraphs of in-universe detail, about half as long as the film's plot summary itself! Also, are the fan animal and <i>moss</i> sections really necessary? <a href="/wiki/User:Erik" title="User:Erik">Erik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erik" title="User talk:Erik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Erik-2009-12-27T18:38:00.000Z-Erwin85Bot-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erik-2009-12-27T18:38:00.000Z-Erwin85Bot-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erik-2009-12-27T18:38:00.000Z-Erwin85Bot-2009-12-25T01:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests" data-mw-thread-id="h-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests-2010-01-01T03:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests-2010-01-01T03:36:00.000Z"></span>ITN for <a href="/wiki/2009_Ashura_protests" class="mw-redirect" title="2009 Ashura protests">2009 Ashura protests</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests-2010-01-01T03:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=47" title="Edit section: ITN for 2009 Ashura protests"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <table class="messagebox standard-talk"> <tbody><tr> <td><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-2010-01-01T03:36:00.000Z-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome_globe_current_event.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Current events globe"><img alt="Current events globe" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/30px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/45px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/60px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span> </td> <td>On 30 December 2009, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:In_the_news" title="Template:In the news">In the news</a></b> was updated with a news item that involved the article <i><b><a href="/w/index.php?title=2009_Asuta_protests&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="2009 Asuta protests (page does not exist)">2009 Asuta protests</a></b></i>, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates" title="Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates">candidates page</a>. </td></tr></tbody></table><p> -- I think the posting admin forgot these! <a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><font color="Teal" face="Tahoma"><b>HJMitchell</b></font></a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><font color="Navy" face="Times New Roman">You rang? </font></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-HJ_Mitchell-2010-01-01T03:36:00.000Z-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-2010-01-01T03:36:00.000Z-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-2010-01-01T03:36:00.000Z-ITN_for_2009_Ashura_protests"></span> </p><p><br/> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png" data-mw-thread-id="h-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png-2010-01-09T12:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png-2010-01-09T12:15:00.000Z"></span>File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Handala-edit.png<span data-mw-comment-end="h-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png-2010-01-09T12:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=48" title="Edit section: File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Handala-edit.png"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sfan00_IMG-2010-01-09T12:15:00.000Z-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Copyright-problem.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="File Copyright problem"><img alt="File Copyright problem" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Copyright-problem.svg/64px-Copyright-problem.svg.png" decoding="async" width="64" height="69" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Copyright-problem.svg/96px-Copyright-problem.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Copyright-problem.svg/128px-Copyright-problem.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="111" data-file-height="120"/></a><figcaption>File Copyright problem</figcaption></figure> <p>Thanks for uploading <b><a href="/wiki/File:Handala-edit.png" title="File:Handala-edit.png">File:Handala-edit.png</a></b>. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the <a href="/wiki/Copyright" title="Copyright">copyright</a> status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged. </p><p>As well as adding the source, we also need to know the terms of the license that the copyright holder has published the file under, usually done by adding a licensing tag. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:GFDL-self" title="Template:GFDL-self">GFDL-self</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> tag can be used to release it under the <a href="/wiki/GFDL" class="mw-redirect" title="GFDL">GFDL</a>. If you believe the media meets the criteria at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content" title="Wikipedia:Non-free content">Wikipedia:Non-free content</a>, use a tag such as <span class="nowrap">{{<a href="/wiki/Template:Non-free_fair_use_in" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Non-free fair use in">non-free fair use in</a>|article name}}</span> or one of the other tags listed at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags#Fair_use" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Image copyright tags">Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use</a>. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Image copyright tags">Wikipedia:Image copyright tags</a> for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. </p><p>If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=upload&user=Yug">this link</a>. <b>Unsourced and untagged files may be deleted one week after they have been tagged</b>, as described on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Files" title="Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion">criteria for speedy deletion</a>. If the file is copyrighted under a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/Fair_use" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use">non-free license</a> (per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Fair use">Wikipedia:Fair use</a>) then <b>the file will be deleted <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#I7" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CSD">48 hours</a> after 12:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)</b>. If you have any questions please ask them at the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions" title="Wikipedia:Media copyright questions">Media copyright questions page</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG" title="User:Sfan00 IMG">Sfan00 IMG</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Sfan00_IMG" title="User talk:Sfan00 IMG">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Sfan00_IMG-2010-01-09T12:15:00.000Z-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sfan00_IMG-2010-01-09T12:15:00.000Z-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sfan00_IMG-2010-01-09T12:15:00.000Z-File_source_and_copyright_licensing_problem_with_File:Handala-edit.png"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Fictional_universe_in_Avatar" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar-2010-01-11T12:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar-2010-01-11T12:37:00.000Z"></span>Fictional universe in Avatar<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar-2010-01-11T12:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=49" title="Edit section: Fictional universe in Avatar"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Erik-2010-01-11T12:37:00.000Z-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar"></span>Yug, I removed the content because I thought it was a copyright violation. I've never really worked on Wikias except to know that they're generally places to contain in-universe information. Even if it is not a copyright violation, it is still excessive in-universe information (akin to the body when the article first started) and lacks real-world perspective. I ask you not to see me as destructive -- a good deal of what exists at <a href="/wiki/Fictional_universe_in_Avatar" class="mw-redirect" title="Fictional universe in Avatar">Fictional universe in Avatar</a> was written by me because I did not want the article-apparently-to-be-kept to look so shoddy. So I revised it to ring true with real-world context, and I proposed a move to "Fictional universe" so the sub-article's scope could cover Pandora and human technology. <a href="/wiki/User:Erik" title="User:Erik">Erik</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Erik" title="User talk:Erik">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Erik-2010-01-11T12:37:00.000Z-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Erik-2010-01-11T12:37:00.000Z-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Erik-2010-01-11T12:37:00.000Z-Fictional_universe_in_Avatar"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Maps_userbox" data-mw-thread-id="h-Maps_userbox-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Maps_userbox-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z"></span>Maps userbox<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Maps_userbox-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=50" title="Edit section: Maps userbox"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Another_Believer-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z-Maps_userbox"></span>Is the change to the "This user is interested in maps" userbox permanent? I went ahead and reverted the edit the first time, as I was not sure if it was vandalism or not, and I did not see any discussion relating to the edit. --<a href="/wiki/User:Another_Believer" title="User:Another Believer"><span style="color:navy;">Another Believer</span></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Another_Believer" title="User talk:Another Believer"><span style="color:#cc6600;">Talk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Another_Believer-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z-Maps_userbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Another_Believer-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z-Maps_userbox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Another_Believer-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z-Maps_userbox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2010-02-17T11:52:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z"></span>Not, for sure this is not permanent. I specified in the history that I will let this message for one month only. The Map project and Map lab are nice places, which are sadly not really famous. This message aim to fill the gaps: make more people, interested by maps, aware of these places, where we can share map experiences and map making skills. <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2010-02-17T11:52:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2010-02-17T11:52:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2010-02-17T11:52:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-02-17T06:26:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Another_Believer-2010-02-18T20:27:00.000Z-Yug-2010-02-17T11:52:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the response! --<a href="/wiki/User:Another_Believer" title="User:Another Believer"><span style="color:navy;">Another Believer</span></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Another_Believer" title="User talk:Another Believer"><span style="color:#cc6600;">Talk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Another_Believer-2010-02-18T20:27:00.000Z-Yug-2010-02-17T11:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Another_Believer-2010-02-18T20:27:00.000Z-Yug-2010-02-17T11:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Another_Believer-2010-02-18T20:27:00.000Z-Yug-2010-02-17T11:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:28:00.000Z-Maps_userbox"></span>Just a reminder to revert the maps userbox to its original appearance since the March 12 deadline has come and gone. :) --<a href="/wiki/User:Another_Believer" title="User:Another Believer"><span style="color:navy;">Another Believer</span></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Another_Believer" title="User talk:Another Believer"><span style="color:#cc6600;">Talk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:28:00.000Z-Maps_userbox" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:28:00.000Z-Maps_userbox"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:28:00.000Z-Maps_userbox"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:33:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:28:00.000Z"></span>Actually, I went ahead and did the revert myself since I was at the page. Best wishes! --<a href="/wiki/User:Another_Believer" title="User:Another Believer"><span style="color:navy;">Another Believer</span></a> <sub>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Another_Believer" title="User talk:Another Believer"><span style="color:#cc6600;">Talk</span></a>)</sub> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:33:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:33:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:33:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2010-03-18T16:56:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:33:00.000Z"></span>Oh ! Yes ! that's true. Thanks for your initiative! I completely forgot this. I'm currently preparing my master thesis proposal (outline's draft #__#) and I completely forget everything. I also forgot to eat this evening @.@ Anyway, your initiative was right, thanks, and sorry for my forget #.# <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2010-03-18T16:56:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2010-03-18T16:56:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:33:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2010-03-18T16:56:00.000Z-Another_Believer-2010-03-18T16:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="SVG_Help" data-mw-thread-id="h-SVG_Help-2010-04-13T05:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SVG_Help-2010-04-13T05:56:00.000Z"></span>SVG Help<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SVG_Help-2010-04-13T05:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=51" title="Edit section: SVG Help"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NativeForeigner-2010-04-13T05:56:00.000Z-SVG_Help"></span>I have little experience with vector graphics, and a decent amount in raster, but I'm just flat out confused. I am trying to do a request to vectorize an image. (request <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop#Empire_of_Japan" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop">Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop#Empire_of_Japan</a>) I'm running into issues though. I can't seem to modify the paths to add color to the correct places in the image because of the way the points are set up. (I can't seem to connect two preexisting points) and I can't crop it. I'm following <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://inkscape-forum.andreas-s.net/topic/112456">http://inkscape-forum.andreas-s.net/topic/112456</a> directions, but it's only cropping a tiny itsy bit, which is strange. I'm uploading the image so you can see if you can help, as I'm genuinely interested in helping if I can figure it out ;) Here is the image I've worked on... <a href="/wiki/File:Empire_of_Japan_(1868-1945).svg" title="File:Empire of Japan (1868-1945).svg">File:Empire of Japan (1868-1945).svg</a> Regards, <i><i><a href="/wiki/User:NativeForeigner" title="User:NativeForeigner">NativeForeigner</a></i></i> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:NativeForeigner" title="User talk:NativeForeigner">Talk</a></sup>/<sub><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/NativeForeigner" title="Special:Contributions/NativeForeigner">Contribs</a></sub>/<sup><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NativeForeigner/Restorationvote&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:NativeForeigner/Restorationvote (page does not exist)">Vote!</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-NativeForeigner-2010-04-13T05:56:00.000Z-SVG_Help" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NativeForeigner-2010-04-13T05:56:00.000Z-SVG_Help"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NativeForeigner-2010-04-13T05:56:00.000Z-SVG_Help"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Speedy_deletion_of_Spécial:Liste_de_suivi" data-mw-thread-id="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Spécial:Liste_de_suivi-2010-05-22T20:18:00.000Z"><span id="Speedy_deletion_of_Sp.C3.A9cial:Liste_de_suivi"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Spécial:Liste_de_suivi-2010-05-22T20:18:00.000Z"></span>Speedy deletion of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Liste_de_suivi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Spécial:Liste de suivi (page does not exist)">Spécial:Liste de suivi</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Speedy_deletion_of_Spécial:Liste_de_suivi-2010-05-22T20:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=52" title="Edit section: Speedy deletion of Spécial:Liste de suivi"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DASHBot-2010-05-22T20:18:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Spécial:Liste_de_suivi"></span><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/48px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="48" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/72px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/96px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure><p>A tag has been placed on <a href="/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Liste_de_suivi&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Spécial:Liste de suivi (page does not exist)">Spécial:Liste de suivi</a>, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. 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Thank you for your time.</p><div style="clear:both;" class=""></div><p>Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. — <small><a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Timneu22&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Timneu22 (page does not exist)">Timneu22</a><span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> <a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Timneu22&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Timneu22 (page does not exist)">talk</a></small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Timneu22-2010-06-01T18:53:00.000Z-Articles_for_deletion_nomination_of_Debate_around_East_Asian_calligraphy_as_an_a" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Timneu22-2010-06-01T18:53:00.000Z-Articles_for_deletion_nomination_of_Debate_around_East_Asian_calligraphy_as_an_a"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Timneu22-2010-06-01T18:53:00.000Z-Articles_for_deletion_nomination_of_Debate_around_East_Asian_calligraphy_as_an_a"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="biogeographical_maps" data-mw-thread-id="h-biogeographical_maps-2010-06-05T20:27:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-biogeographical_maps-2010-06-05T20:27:00.000Z"></span>biogeographical maps<span data-mw-comment-end="h-biogeographical_maps-2010-06-05T20:27:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=54" title="Edit section: biogeographical maps"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Kahuroa-2010-06-05T20:27:00.000Z-biogeographical_maps"></span>Hi Yug. Hope you are feeling better. Have you had a chance to think about closing the discussion on these maps? Just wondering. <a href="/wiki/User:Kahuroa" title="User:Kahuroa">Kahuroa</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Kahuroa" title="User talk:Kahuroa">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Kahuroa-2010-06-05T20:27:00.000Z-biogeographical_maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Kahuroa-2010-06-05T20:27:00.000Z-biogeographical_maps"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Kahuroa-2010-06-05T20:27:00.000Z-biogeographical_maps"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4" data-mw-thread-id="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4-2010-06-08T19:08:00.000Z"><span id="Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1.2F4"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4-2010-06-08T19:08:00.000Z"></span>Nomination for deletion of <a href="/wiki/Template:1/4" title="Template:1/4">Template:1/4</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4-2010-06-08T19:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=55" title="Edit section: Nomination for deletion of Template:1/4"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thumperward-2010-06-08T19:08:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Ambox_warning_pn.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/30px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="26" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/45px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/Ambox_warning_pn.svg/60px-Ambox_warning_pn.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="512" data-file-height="445"/></a></span><a href="/wiki/Template:1/4" title="Template:1/4">Template:1/4</a> has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:1/4" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Thumperward" title="User:Thumperward">Chris Cunningham (not at work)</a> - <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thumperward" title="User talk:Thumperward">talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Thumperward-2010-06-08T19:08:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thumperward-2010-06-08T19:08:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thumperward-2010-06-08T19:08:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:1/4"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="You_are_now_a_Reviewer" data-mw-thread-id="h-You_are_now_a_Reviewer-2010-06-17T18:37:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-You_are_now_a_Reviewer-2010-06-17T18:37:00.000Z"></span>You are now a Reviewer<span data-mw-comment-end="h-You_are_now_a_Reviewer-2010-06-17T18:37:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=56" title="Edit section: You are now a Reviewer"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Courcelles-2010-06-17T18:37:00.000Z-You_are_now_a_Reviewer"></span><figure class="mw-halign-right" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Redaktor_Wikipedia_600px.png" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Redaktor_Wikipedia_600px.png/130px-Redaktor_Wikipedia_600px.png" decoding="async" width="130" height="130" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Redaktor_Wikipedia_600px.png/195px-Redaktor_Wikipedia_600px.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Redaktor_Wikipedia_600px.png/260px-Redaktor_Wikipedia_600px.png 2x" data-file-width="596" data-file-height="595"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure> <p>Hello. Your account has been granted the "<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r886049734">.mw-parser-output .monospaced{font-family:monospace,monospace}</style><span class="monospaced">reviewer</span>" userright, allowing you to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reviewing" class="mw-disambig" title="Wikipedia:Reviewing">review other users' edits</a> on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes" title="Wikipedia:Pending changes">two-month trial</a> scheduled to end 15 August 2010. </p><p>Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed">autoconfirmed</a> to articles placed under pending changes. Pending changes is applied to only <a href="/wiki/Special:StablePages" title="Special:StablePages">a small number of articles</a>, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. The list of articles with pending changes awaiting review is located at <a href="/wiki/Special:PendingChanges" title="Special:PendingChanges">Special:OldReviewedPages</a>. </p><p>When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:VAND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:VAND">vandalism</a> or <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:BLP" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:BLP">BLP violations</a>, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reviewing_process" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Reviewing process">Wikipedia:Reviewing process</a>). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes" title="Wikipedia:Pending changes">here</a>. </p><p>If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. <a href="/wiki/User:Courcelles" title="User:Courcelles">Courcelles</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Courcelles" title="User talk:Courcelles">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Courcelles-2010-06-17T18:37:00.000Z-You_are_now_a_Reviewer" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Courcelles-2010-06-17T18:37:00.000Z-You_are_now_a_Reviewer"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Courcelles-2010-06-17T18:37:00.000Z-You_are_now_a_Reviewer"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Maps" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Maps-2010-06-23T22:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Maps-2010-06-23T22:23:00.000Z"></span>Re: Maps<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Maps-2010-06-23T22:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=57" title="Edit section: Re: Maps"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nilfanion-2010-06-23T22:23:00.000Z-Re:_Maps"></span>A bit of a good news/bad news situation I'm afraid with respect to the maps. First the bad news: I've been working <i>manually</i> (with a few tedious steps) to convert the OS-supplied shapefiles into SVG output. The end result of that process is the blank files such as <a href="/wiki/File:East_Sussex_UK_district_map_(blank).svg" title="File:East Sussex UK district map (blank).svg">File:East Sussex UK district map (blank).svg</a>, but the manual process ensures I get what I want. </p><p>Now the good news: That part of the process is not the part best suited to bot work. The bot work would be in producing the thousands of area maps from the location/locator maps, and as I can provide the blank maps with sub-district names encoded in the markup (look at <a class="external free" href="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/East_Sussex_UK_district_map_%28blank%29.svg">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/East_Sussex_UK_district_map_%28blank%29.svg</a> in a text editor), bots could easily insert the highlighted colour and do the bulk uploading. Bots might also be able to handle some optimisation of the source. </p><p>As for the colour schemes, I'm not sure what's best and I'll happily defer to editors like you who have much more experience of this stuff :)--<a href="/wiki/User:Nilfanion" title="User:Nilfanion">Nilf</a><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nilfanion" class="extiw" title="commons:User:Nilfanion">anion</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Nilfanion" title="User talk:Nilfanion">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Nilfanion-2010-06-23T22:23:00.000Z-Re:_Maps" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nilfanion-2010-06-23T22:23:00.000Z-Re:_Maps"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nilfanion-2010-06-23T22:23:00.000Z-Re:_Maps"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ITN_for_Coronal_mass_ejection" data-mw-thread-id="h-ITN_for_Coronal_mass_ejection-2010-08-04T01:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ITN_for_Coronal_mass_ejection-2010-08-04T01:08:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/T:ITN" class="mw-redirect" title="T:ITN">ITN</a> for <a href="/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection" title="Coronal mass ejection">Coronal mass ejection</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ITN_for_Coronal_mass_ejection-2010-08-04T01:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=58" title="Edit section: ITN for Coronal mass ejection"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-HJ_Mitchell-2010-08-04T01:08:00.000Z-ITN_for_Coronal_mass_ejection"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome_globe_current_event.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Current events globe"><img alt="Current events globe" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/30px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/45px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/60px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On 4 August 2010, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:In_the_news" title="Template:In the news">In the news</a></b> was updated with a news item that involved the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection" title="Coronal mass ejection">Coronal mass ejection</a></b></i>, which you recently nominated <i>and</i> substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates" title="Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates">candidates page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table><p> --<a href="/wiki/User:HJ_Mitchell" title="User:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma;"><b>HJ Mitchell</b></span></a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:HJ_Mitchell" title="User talk:HJ Mitchell"><span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman;">Penny for your thoughts? </span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-HJ_Mitchell-2010-08-04T01:08:00.000Z-ITN_for_Coronal_mass_ejection" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-HJ_Mitchell-2010-08-04T01:08:00.000Z-ITN_for_Coronal_mass_ejection"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-HJ_Mitchell-2010-08-04T01:08:00.000Z-ITN_for_Coronal_mass_ejection"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="CME_article" data-mw-thread-id="h-CME_article-2010-08-04T02:14:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-CME_article-2010-08-04T02:14:00.000Z"></span>CME article<span data-mw-comment-end="h-CME_article-2010-08-04T02:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=59" title="Edit section: CME article"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cwill151-2010-08-04T02:14:00.000Z-CME_article"></span>Hey, </p><p>I just re-did the update on CME so it would be MP eligible. I hope you like it, as you seemed rather invested in the story. I'll admit I'm not an expert, so if there is an error I'll happily fix it. Otherwise happy editing and I look forward to working with you in the future. Cheers! <a href="/wiki/User:Cwill151" title="User:Cwill151">Cwill151</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cwill151" title="User talk:Cwill151">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Cwill151-2010-08-04T02:14:00.000Z-CME_article" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:14, 4 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cwill151-2010-08-04T02:14:00.000Z-CME_article"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cwill151-2010-08-04T02:14:00.000Z-CME_article"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="ITN:_Economy_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China" data-mw-thread-id="h-ITN:_Economy_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China-2010-08-17T09:24:00.000Z"><span id="ITN:_Economy_of_the_People.27s_Republic_of_China"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-ITN:_Economy_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China-2010-08-17T09:24:00.000Z"></span>ITN: <a href="/wiki/Economy_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China" class="mw-redirect" title="Economy of the People's Republic of China">Economy of the People's Republic of China</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-ITN:_Economy_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China-2010-08-17T09:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=60" title="Edit section: ITN: Economy of the People's Republic of China"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Tariqabjotu-2010-08-17T09:24:00.000Z-ITN:_Economy_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Gnome_globe_current_event.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Current events globe"><img alt="Current events globe" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/30px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png" decoding="async" width="30" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/45px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Gnome_globe_current_event.svg/60px-Gnome_globe_current_event.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="600"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On 17 August 2010, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:In_the_news" title="Template:In the news">In the news</a></b> was updated with a news item that involved the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Economy_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China" class="mw-redirect" title="Economy of the People's Republic of China">Economy of the People's Republic of China</a></b></i>, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates" title="Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates">candidates page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table><p> -- <b><a href="/wiki/User:Tariqabjotu" title="User:Tariqabjotu"><span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span></a></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Tariqabjotu-2010-08-17T09:24:00.000Z-ITN:_Economy_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Tariqabjotu-2010-08-17T09:24:00.000Z-ITN:_Economy_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Tariqabjotu-2010-08-17T09:24:00.000Z-ITN:_Economy_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China"></span> </p><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Thank_you_for_deleting_spam_links." data-mw-thread-id="h-Thank_you_for_deleting_spam_links.-2010-08-22T22:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Thank_you_for_deleting_spam_links.-2010-08-22T22:56:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for deleting spam links.<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Thank_you_for_deleting_spam_links.-2010-08-22T22:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=61" title="Edit section: Thank you for deleting spam links."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Asoer-2010-08-22T22:56:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_deleting_spam_links."></span>I noticed that you recently deleted many spam links. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Asoer" title="User:Asoer">Asoer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Asoer" title="User talk:Asoer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Asoer-2010-08-22T22:56:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_deleting_spam_links." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Asoer-2010-08-22T22:56:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_deleting_spam_links."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Asoer-2010-08-22T22:56:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_deleting_spam_links."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_nomination_of_word_lists_by_frequency" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_nomination_of_word_lists_by_frequency-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_nomination_of_word_lists_by_frequency-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z"></span>DYK nomination of <a href="/wiki/Word_lists_by_frequency" class="mw-redirect" title="Word lists by frequency">word lists by frequency</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_nomination_of_word_lists_by_frequency-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=62" title="Edit section: DYK nomination of word lists by frequency"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_word_lists_by_frequency"></span>Greetings. Leaving you this message regarding your <a href="/wiki/T:TDYK#Word_lists_by_frequency" class="mw-redirect" title="T:TDYK">DYK nomination</a> of the article <a href="/wiki/Word_lists_by_frequency" class="mw-redirect" title="Word lists by frequency">word lists by frequency</a>, which you yourself approved. Please note: you cannot approve an article you nominated yourself. Neither are you allowed to "move this proposal up" just because we haven't selected it for review yet. I have struck the approval symbol, but left your comments unstruck. <a href="/wiki/User:Strange_Passerby" title="User:Strange Passerby">Strange Passerby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strange_Passerby" title="User talk:Strange Passerby">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Strange_Passerby" title="Special:Contributions/Strange Passerby">c</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Strange_Passerby/status2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Strange Passerby/status2 (page does not exist)">status</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_word_lists_by_frequency" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_word_lists_by_frequency"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z-DYK_nomination_of_word_lists_by_frequency"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2010-10-07T14:14:00.000Z-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z"></span>Ok, I was not aware. But then who do so (approval) ? This proposal have been slowed down several days because of a "citation format" critic, but the user then retracted. It seems that we have here all the elements for an approval but just no one to approve it. That's quite embarrassing for wikipedia, and -yes- time wasting for Quadzilla99 and myself. <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2010-10-07T14:14:00.000Z-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2010-10-07T14:14:00.000Z-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2010-10-07T14:14:00.000Z-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T12:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T14:30:00.000Z-Yug-2010-10-07T14:14:00.000Z"></span>How is that "embarrassing" at all? When we have a backlog noms can go up to 10 days before being approved. You need to exercise patience here. Someone will review it in due course. <a href="/wiki/User:Strange_Passerby" title="User:Strange Passerby">Strange Passerby</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Strange_Passerby" title="User talk:Strange Passerby">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Strange_Passerby" title="Special:Contributions/Strange Passerby">c</a> • <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Strange_Passerby/status2&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Strange Passerby/status2 (page does not exist)">status</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T14:30:00.000Z-Yug-2010-10-07T14:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T14:30:00.000Z-Yug-2010-10-07T14:14:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T14:30:00.000Z-Yug-2010-10-07T14:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2010-10-07T17:46:00.000Z-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T14:30:00.000Z"></span>If that's work this way, then you are right: I need to wait. Thanks for your explanations~ <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2010-10-07T17:46:00.000Z-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T14:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:46, 7 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2010-10-07T17:46:00.000Z-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T14:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2010-10-07T17:46:00.000Z-Strange_Passerby-2010-10-07T14:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="DYK_for_Word_lists_by_frequency" data-mw-thread-id="h-DYK_for_Word_lists_by_frequency-2010-10-10T12:03:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-DYK_for_Word_lists_by_frequency-2010-10-10T12:03:00.000Z"></span>DYK for Word lists by frequency<span data-mw-comment-end="h-DYK_for_Word_lists_by_frequency-2010-10-10T12:03:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=63" title="Edit section: DYK for Word lists by frequency"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rlevse-2010-10-10T12:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Word_lists_by_frequency"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1237879475"><table class="plainlinks tmbox tmbox-notice" role="presentation" style="notice"><tbody><tr><td class="mbox-image"><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Updated_DYK_query.svg" class="mw-file-description" title="Updated DYK query"><img alt="Updated DYK query" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/15px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png" decoding="async" width="15" height="30" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/23px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Updated_DYK_query.svg/30px-Updated_DYK_query.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="35" data-file-height="71"/></a></span></td><td class="mbox-text">On <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions#10_October_2010" title="Wikipedia:Recent additions">10 October 2010</a>, <b><a href="/wiki/Template:Did_you_know" title="Template:Did you know">Did you know?</a></b> was updated with a fact from the article <i><b><a href="/wiki/Word_lists_by_frequency" class="mw-redirect" title="Word lists by frequency">Word lists by frequency</a></b></i>, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>(<a href="/wiki/User:Rjanag/Pageview_stats" title="User:Rjanag/Pageview stats">here's how</a>, <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://stats.grok.se/en/201010/Word_lists_by_frequency">quick check</a> )</small> and add it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DYKSTATS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DYKSTATS">DYKSTATS</a> if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know" title="Template talk:Did you know">Did you know? talk page</a>.</td></tr></tbody></table> <p><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <a href="/wiki/User:Rlevse" title="User:Rlevse"><b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b></a> • <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rlevse" title="User talk:Rlevse"><span style="color:#990;">Talk</span></a> • </span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Rlevse-2010-10-10T12:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Word_lists_by_frequency" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rlevse-2010-10-10T12:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Word_lists_by_frequency"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rlevse-2010-10-10T12:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Word_lists_by_frequency"></span> </p><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quadzilla99-2010-10-12T21:22:00.000Z-Rlevse-2010-10-10T12:03:00.000Z"></span>Congrats! 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Thank you! <i><br/></i> </p> <ul><li><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_important_green.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Nuvola_apps_important_green.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_important_green.svg.png" decoding="async" width="50" height="42" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Nuvola_apps_important_green.svg/75px-Nuvola_apps_important_green.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Nuvola_apps_important_green.svg/100px-Nuvola_apps_important_green.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="600" data-file-height="500"/></a></span>This talk page is becoming <b>very long</b>. Please consider <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_archive_a_talk_page" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page">archiving</a>. <i> <a href="/wiki/User:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Beeblebrox">Beeblebrox</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beeblebrox" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Beeblebrox">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Beeblebrox-2010-12-22T00:14:00.000Z-December_2010" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Beeblebrox-2010-12-22T00:14:00.000Z-December_2010"></span></i><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Beeblebrox-2010-12-22T00:14:00.000Z-December_2010"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="User:NNW" data-mw-thread-id="h-User:NNW-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User:NNW-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span>User:NNW<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User:NNW-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=67" title="Edit section: User:NNW"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z-User:NNW"></span>Hello! I suppose it's you who created that account <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Maps&diff=prev&oldid=265715663">[7]</a>. <a class="external text" href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:NNW&redirect=no">This</a> is a nice idea, thank you. Would you mind to give me the password so I can occupy this account? I would like to have such a redirect at some other projects, too, but only if I am the owner of that account. Best regards, <a href="/wiki/User:NordNordWest" title="User:NordNordWest">NNW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NordNordWest" title="User talk:NordNordWest">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z-User:NNW" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z-User:NNW"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z-User:NNW"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2011-01-13T13:25:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span>Oh god... Yes, I created this account of your NNW shortpseudo to avoid that someone take it. You are a key user on graphism, I wanted to avoid confusion. I'm surprised I didn't informed you about that and didn't gave you the password. Now, as a matter of fact, I forgot the password. I tries my usual password, none working. But I may support your account merging request if need. Indeed, the 2 edits I made have nothing special/controversial, so its safe to just give them to you. You want this NNW account ? <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2011-01-13T13:25:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2011-01-13T13:25:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2011-01-13T13:25:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z-Yug-2011-01-13T13:25:00.000Z"></span>Well, if you forgot the password it's a gone account. My usual account is an SUL account so there is nothing that could be merged. <a href="/wiki/User:NordNordWest" title="User:NordNordWest">NNW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NordNordWest" title="User talk:NordNordWest">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z-Yug-2011-01-13T13:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z-Yug-2011-01-13T13:25:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z-Yug-2011-01-13T13:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NNW-2011-01-13T13:50:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z"></span>I just tried, just for fun, your password for that account and it was quite simple. :o) Now I have occupied it. I hope it's okay. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:NNW&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:NNW (page does not exist)">NNW</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NNW&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:NNW (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-NNW-2011-01-13T13:50:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:50, 13 January 2011 (UTC)</a> (aka NordNordWest)<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NNW-2011-01-13T13:50:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NNW-2011-01-13T13:50:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:53:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z"></span>If you are curious what it was: "NordNordWest". :o) <a href="/wiki/User:NordNordWest" title="User:NordNordWest">NNW</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NordNordWest" title="User talk:NordNordWest">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:53:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:53:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:53:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T13:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2011-01-13T15:08:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span>hahahaha ! I tried "nordnordwest" unsuccessfully. Ok, so... you hacked your-mine account. Quite strange. <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2011-01-13T15:08:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2011-01-13T15:08:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2011-01-13T15:08:00.000Z-NordNordWest-2011-01-13T11:28:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stroke_(CJK_character)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stroke_(CJK_character)-2011-02-12T02:47:00.000Z"><span id="Stroke_.28CJK_character.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stroke_(CJK_character)-2011-02-12T02:47:00.000Z"></span>Stroke (CJK character)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stroke_(CJK_character)-2011-02-12T02:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=68" title="Edit section: Stroke (CJK character)"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Missylou2who-2011-02-12T02:47:00.000Z-Stroke_(CJK_character)"></span>As per your post on my talk page, I am now at the end of my flurry of updates to the <a href="/wiki/Stroke_(CJK_character)" class="mw-redirect" title="Stroke (CJK character)">Stroke (CJK character)</a> page. You are of course, free to improve or correct as I defer to your expertise. I look forward to watching future updates. If I can be helpful in any way let me know. <a href="/wiki/User:Missylou2who" title="User:Missylou2who">Missylou2who</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Missylou2who" title="User talk:Missylou2who">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Missylou2who-2011-02-12T02:47:00.000Z-Stroke_(CJK_character)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Missylou2who-2011-02-12T02:47:00.000Z-Stroke_(CJK_character)"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Missylou2who-2011-02-12T02:47:00.000Z-Stroke_(CJK_character)"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="libyan_protests" data-mw-thread-id="h-libyan_protests-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-libyan_protests-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z"></span>libyan protests<span data-mw-comment-end="h-libyan_protests-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=69" title="Edit section: libyan protests"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2011_Libyan_protests&diff=415312053&oldid=415311963"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lihaas-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z-libyan_protests"></span>[8]</a> restores uncited info that is editorlaisting. pelase cite it.<a href="/wiki/User:Lihaas" title="User:Lihaas">Lihaas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lihaas" title="User talk:Lihaas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Lihaas-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z-libyan_protests" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lihaas-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z-libyan_protests"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lihaas-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z-libyan_protests"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2011-02-22T12:58:00.000Z-Lihaas-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z"></span>Clans?: Information still there, just moved down. Please look slowly.</dd> <dd>Younths: the demographic shape of Libya is quite well know (see image). <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2011-02-22T12:58:00.000Z-Lihaas-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:58, 22 February 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2011-02-22T12:58:00.000Z-Lihaas-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2011-02-22T12:58:00.000Z-Lihaas-2011-02-22T12:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lihaas-2011-02-22T13:15:00.000Z-Yug-2011-02-22T12:58:00.000Z"></span>1. added and kept in</dd> <dd>2. still need a cite. "common knowledge" is not an excuse. <dl><dd><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2011_Libyan_protests&diff=415313861&oldid=415313718">[9]</a> --> <a href="/wiki/Talk:2011_Libyan_protests#background.2Fearly_protests" class="mw-redirect" title="Talk:2011 Libyan protests">Talk:2011_Libyan_protests#background.2Fearly_protests</a> before restoring.(<a href="/wiki/User:Lihaas" title="User:Lihaas">Lihaas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lihaas" title="User talk:Lihaas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Lihaas-2011-02-22T13:15:00.000Z-Yug-2011-02-22T12:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)</a>).<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lihaas-2011-02-22T13:15:00.000Z-Yug-2011-02-22T12:58:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lihaas-2011-02-22T13:15:00.000Z-Yug-2011-02-22T12:58:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_discussion_for_Monitor_hypothesis" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_discussion_for_Monitor_hypothesis-2011-03-24T05:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_discussion_for_Monitor_hypothesis-2011-03-24T05:11:00.000Z"></span>Merge discussion for <a href="/wiki/Monitor_hypothesis" class="mw-redirect" title="Monitor hypothesis">Monitor hypothesis</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_discussion_for_Monitor_hypothesis-2011-03-24T05:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=70" title="Edit section: Merge discussion for Monitor hypothesis"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mr._Stradivarius-2011-03-24T05:11:00.000Z-Merge_discussion_for_Monitor_hypothesis"></span><span typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/File:Information.svg" class="mw-file-description"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" decoding="async" width="25" height="25" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/38px-Information.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/50px-Information.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="256" data-file-height="256"/></a></span> An article that you have been involved in editing, <a href="/wiki/Monitor_hypothesis" class="mw-redirect" title="Monitor hypothesis">Monitor hypothesis</a>, has been proposed for a <a href="/wiki/Help:Merging_and_moving_pages" title="Help:Merging and moving pages">merge</a> with another article. 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You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Cultural_macroregions_of_the_world" title="Wikipedia:Templates for discussion">the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Mootros" title="User:Mootros">Mootros</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mootros" title="User talk:Mootros">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Mootros-2011-04-09T17:19:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Cultural_macroregions_of_the_world" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:19, 9 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mootros-2011-04-09T17:19:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Cultural_macroregions_of_the_world"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mootros-2011-04-09T17:19:00.000Z-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Cultural_macroregions_of_the_world"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GoogleTrans_now_does_Karaoke_Text_To_Speech" data-mw-thread-id="h-GoogleTrans_now_does_Karaoke_Text_To_Speech-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GoogleTrans_now_does_Karaoke_Text_To_Speech-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z"></span>GoogleTrans now does Karaoke Text To Speech<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GoogleTrans_now_does_Karaoke_Text_To_Speech-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=72" title="Edit section: GoogleTrans now does Karaoke Text To Speech"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z-GoogleTrans_now_does_Karaoke_Text_To_Speech"></span>Hi there Yug, </p><p>Thanks again for your support several years ago for my GoogleTrans gadget on the enwiki. It's on 13 wikis now so it has had moderate success. </p><p>I have a private (non wikipedia) version of the gadget which I may have mentioned to you before at: </p><p>[<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.securecottage.com/cgi-bin/reference.cgi">[10]</a>] </p><p>The reason I am writing to you now is that you have an interest in second language acquisition and I have recently put in karaoke Text To Speech on this version of GoogleTrans. </p> <dl><dt></dt></dl> <p>To run the karaoke text to speech: </p> <dl><dd><dl><dt>Start</dt> <dd></dd></dl></dd> <dd>1) Page: <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.securecottage.com/cgi-bin/reference.cgi">http://www.securecottage.com/cgi-bin/reference.cgi</a></dd> <dd>2) From there on, the Speaker can work in all links starting from this page.</dd> <dd>3) Compatibility: IE9 & Firefox 3.5+. Audio bar: a html5 (FF), or flash toolbar (IE8 and less, needing flash)</dd> <dd>-- <dl><dt>Usage</dt> <dd></dd></dl></dd> <dd>1) select some text (< 4000 characters)</dd> <dd>2) overfly with you cursor</dd> <dd>3) hold the ESC key : a sound bar appear</dd> <dd>4) play it : speak out the selected text</dd> <dd>note: <b>a tracker enlighten the word currently spoken</b></dd></dl> <dl><dt>Interested by your opinion</dt></dl> <p><b>Interest:</b> Do you think it will help early learners of a language to understand the spoken language as opposed to the written language. I am interested in what you think about the karaoke text to speech. </p><p><b>Next sentence:</b> There is also a next sentence link in the sound popup. </p><p><b>(Word) Tracker:</b> the tracker enlightening the word currently spoken is often be 1 word behind or 1 word ahead. However, the selected word will be close enough to the actual word spoken to give the viewer a good idea which word is actually being spoken at the time. </p> <dl><dt>Personally</dt></dl> <p>The English and Spanish (which uses Festival TTS) is good, and the French (which uses ESPEAK) is acceptable. The other languages may not be that great. </p><p>I can read French and Spanish but cannot understand spoken Spanish or French. I am using this tool and I think I am slowly gaining in my comprehension of spoken French and Spanish. </p><p>What do you think of karaoke text to speech and its applicability to learning to understand spoken languages without the need of a speaker of that tongue around. </p><p>Thanks Again </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z-GoogleTrans_now_does_Karaoke_Text_To_Speech" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z-GoogleTrans_now_does_Karaoke_Text_To_Speech"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z-GoogleTrans_now_does_Karaoke_Text_To_Speech"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-122.117.35.27-2011-05-01T14:59:00.000Z-Endo999-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z"></span>Hello Endo, nice to hear from you !! That's nice.</dd> <dd>I reworded your post to make it more "human friendly" (you are too technical), you can copy freely ;)</dd> <dd><b>Naming suggestion :</b> "Speaker", or "Reader", ReadOut, seems to me (non English native speaker) better. Karaoke being connected with singing.</dd> <dd><b>Next sentence:</b> make a shortcut, [SPACE] key ?.</dd> <dd><b>Outlook:</b> just include a link "<a href="/w/index.php?title=Credit_tools_used&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Credit tools used (page does not exist)">credit</a>" or "About". Some apps do so. Otherwise that's really too much <a href="/wiki/Chartjunk" title="Chartjunk">Chartjunk</a>. Or a link '<small>(about)</small>' with 3 columns/paragrph: Manual ; Shortkeys ; Sources.</dd> <dd><b>Word tracker:</b> adapt your definition. "Word tracker: the word tracker indicates <s>the word</s> <b>the area</b> were the Speaker is working"</dd> <dd><b>Interest:</b> I'm personally lowly interested because of the uncomfortable sound of this kind of devices (the 'robot voice'). I'm not patient enough ;( . I think it's hardly possible to automatically speak out smoothly for latin languages. Latin langauges HAVE TO links phonemes of DIFFERENTS words together "make an answer" => "mak'an'nanswer", and NOT "make + an + answer', and thus have tens of thousands of several-words sound units to records to output a smooth pronunciation. BUT ! A such speaker is indeed a kind of device I dream of !</dd> <dd>Should work fine for syllabic languages, clearly cut, like Chinese. But it put other trouble : the conversion Chinese characters -> alphabetic phonetic (<a href="/wiki/Hanyu_pinyin" class="mw-redirect" title="Hanyu pinyin">Hanyu pinyin</a>) => sound. nb: I can give you several starting point if you are interested by this Chinese way.</dd> <dd><b>In short:</b> the principle is VERY interesting for language learning, that's getting a native speaker in your bedroom for free. But that's hardly doable (smooth pronunciation) for latin language.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/122.117.35.27" title="Special:Contributions/122.117.35.27">122.117.35.27</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:122.117.35.27" title="User talk:122.117.35.27">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-122.117.35.27-2011-05-01T14:59:00.000Z-Endo999-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 1 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-122.117.35.27-2011-05-01T14:59:00.000Z-Endo999-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-122.117.35.27-2011-05-01T14:59:00.000Z-Endo999-2011-04-30T17:17:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Question" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question-2011-05-15T21:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question-2011-05-15T21:30:00.000Z"></span>Question<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question-2011-05-15T21:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=73" title="Edit section: Question"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lihaas-2011-05-15T21:30:00.000Z-Question"></span>i moved it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#WB_elections" title="Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities">Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#WB_elections</a>(<a href="/wiki/User:Lihaas" title="User:Lihaas">Lihaas</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lihaas" title="User talk:Lihaas">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Lihaas-2011-05-15T21:30:00.000Z-Question" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)</a>).<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lihaas-2011-05-15T21:30:00.000Z-Question"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lihaas-2011-05-15T21:30:00.000Z-Question"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Yug" data-mw-thread-id="h-Yug"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Yug"></span>Yug<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Yug"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=74" title="Edit section: Yug"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1256396942">.mw-parser-output .umbox{background-color:var(--background-color-content-added,#a3d3ff);border:1px solid var(--border-color-progressive,#36c);padding:0.5em 1em;margin:2em 0 1em;font-weight:bold;overflow:auto;vertical-align:middle}</style> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Captain_Screebo" title="User talk:Captain Screebo"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Yug. You have new messages at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Captain_Screebo" title="User talk:Captain Screebo">Captain Screebo's talk page</a>.<br/><span style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> You can <a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/User_talk:Yug/Archive02" title="Special:EditPage/User talk:Yug/Archive02">remove this notice</a> at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.</span></div> <link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256396942"> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Captain_Screebo" title="User talk:Captain Screebo"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Yug. You have new messages at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Captain_Screebo" title="User talk:Captain Screebo">Captain Screebo's talk page</a>.<br/><span style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;"> You can <a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/User_talk:Yug/Archive02" title="Special:EditPage/User talk:Yug/Archive02">remove this notice</a> at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.</span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="GoogleTrans-Speak_now_does_Chinese" data-mw-thread-id="h-GoogleTrans-Speak_now_does_Chinese-2011-05-22T01:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-GoogleTrans-Speak_now_does_Chinese-2011-05-22T01:43:00.000Z"></span>GoogleTrans-Speak now does Chinese<span data-mw-comment-end="h-GoogleTrans-Speak_now_does_Chinese-2011-05-22T01:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=75" title="Edit section: GoogleTrans-Speak now does Chinese"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2011-05-22T01:43:00.000Z-GoogleTrans-Speak_now_does_Chinese"></span>Hi Yug, </p><p>Thanks for your feedback last time I messaged you. I put a 'source' link in the popup hiding the sources, as you suggested. </p><p>I'm currently using my private version of the gadget, which now has karaoke text to speech. It now does Chinese, so I was wondering if you'd give me some feedback, since you know Chinese. </p><p>I'm interested in knowing: is it in sync? It seems to be when no numbers or only a few punctuation letters are in the text. But I'm not so sure since I don't know Chinese. To test, </p><p>go to </p><p>[<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.securecottage.com/cgi-bin/dictionary22.cgi">[11]</a>] </p><p>and click on the Chinese Wikipedia link on the right middle side of the text page. Then select some text (>4000 characters) and hit the esc key. The Word Track/Karaoke should happen from that point on. </p><p>Thanks for your feedback previously. It has been helpful </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2011-05-22T01:43:00.000Z-GoogleTrans-Speak_now_does_Chinese" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2011-05-22T01:43:00.000Z-GoogleTrans-Speak_now_does_Chinese"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2011-05-22T01:43:00.000Z-GoogleTrans-Speak_now_does_Chinese"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Chinese_Text_to_Speech_feedback" data-mw-thread-id="h-Chinese_Text_to_Speech_feedback-2011-05-22T20:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Chinese_Text_to_Speech_feedback-2011-05-22T20:02:00.000Z"></span>Chinese Text to Speech feedback<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Chinese_Text_to_Speech_feedback-2011-05-22T20:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=76" title="Edit section: Chinese Text to Speech feedback"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Endo999-2011-05-22T20:02:00.000Z-Chinese_Text_to_Speech_feedback"></span>Thanks Yug for the feedback. It's always appreciated. I'll look into the website of Chinese sound that you have cited. </p><p><a href="/wiki/User:Endo999" title="User:Endo999">Endo999</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Endo999" title="User talk:Endo999">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Endo999-2011-05-22T20:02:00.000Z-Chinese_Text_to_Speech_feedback" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Endo999-2011-05-22T20:02:00.000Z-Chinese_Text_to_Speech_feedback"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Endo999-2011-05-22T20:02:00.000Z-Chinese_Text_to_Speech_feedback"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Re:_Map_Drawing_Tutorial" data-mw-thread-id="h-Re:_Map_Drawing_Tutorial-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Re:_Map_Drawing_Tutorial-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z"></span>Re: Map Drawing Tutorial<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Re:_Map_Drawing_Tutorial-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=77" title="Edit section: Re: Map Drawing Tutorial"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z-Re:_Map_Drawing_Tutorial"></span>Hi Yug, </p><p>I'm not convinced that the orthographic map page is the best place for a tutorial. My biased opinion would be to see my <a href="/wiki/User:Gringer" title="User:Gringer">user page</a>, where I have a section on my attempts to create maps. I have <a href="/wiki/User:Gringer/perlshaper" title="User:Gringer/perlshaper">a script</a> that has been designed specifically for creating maps of various types for Wikipedia. Every map generated with this script produces (as SVG comments) a command line that can be used to generate the map, something like the following: I will add a tutorial, of sorts, to my user page in the next day or so, and I guess I could put a link to that on the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Conventions" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps/Conventions">Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Conventions</a> page. <a href="/wiki/User:Gringer" title="User:Gringer">gringer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gringer" title="User talk:Gringer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z-Re:_Map_Drawing_Tutorial" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:10, 6 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z-Re:_Map_Drawing_Tutorial"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z-Re:_Map_Drawing_Tutorial"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:36:00.000Z-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z"></span>Alternatively, see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Resources/Tutorials" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Resources/Tutorials">here</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Gringer" title="User:Gringer">gringer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Gringer" title="User talk:Gringer">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:36:00.000Z-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:36:00.000Z-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:36:00.000Z-Gringer-2011-06-06T08:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="My_response_about_GIS_template" data-mw-thread-id="h-My_response_about_GIS_template-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-My_response_about_GIS_template-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z"></span>My response about GIS template<span data-mw-comment-end="h-My_response_about_GIS_template-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=78" title="Edit section: My response about GIS template"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-LADave-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z-My_response_about_GIS_template"></span>is here: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LADave#.7BGIScitation.7D">[12]</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:LADave" title="User:LADave">LADave</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:LADave" title="User talk:LADave">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-LADave-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z-My_response_about_GIS_template" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:35, 12 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-LADave-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z-My_response_about_GIS_template"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-LADave-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z-My_response_about_GIS_template"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yug-2011-06-12T05:40:00.000Z-LADave-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z"></span>Saw. Thanks for your answer, I thus move toward a new template ! <a href="/wiki/User:Yug" title="User:Yug">Yug</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yug" title="User talk:Yug"><small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yug-2011-06-12T05:40:00.000Z-LADave-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yug-2011-06-12T05:40:00.000Z-LADave-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yug-2011-06-12T05:40:00.000Z-LADave-2011-06-12T00:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="QGis_lesson_1" data-mw-thread-id="h-QGis_lesson_1-2011-06-15T23:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-QGis_lesson_1-2011-06-15T23:19:00.000Z"></span>QGis lesson 1<span data-mw-comment-end="h-QGis_lesson_1-2011-06-15T23:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=79" title="Edit section: QGis lesson 1"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MissMJ-2011-06-15T23:19:00.000Z-QGis_lesson_1"></span><link rel="mw-deduplicated-inline-style" href="mw-data:TemplateStyles:r1256396942"> <div class="umbox"><figure class="mw-halign-left" typeof="mw:File"><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Graphic_Lab/Resources/QGis_lesson_1:_Create_a_topographic_background" title="Wikipedia talk:Graphic Lab/Resources/QGis lesson 1: Create a topographic background"><img src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/40px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png" decoding="async" width="40" height="40" class="mw-file-element" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/60px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg/80px-Nuvola_apps_edu_languages.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="128" data-file-height="128"/></a><figcaption></figcaption></figure>Hello, Yug. You have new messages at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Graphic_Lab/Resources/QGis_lesson_1:_Create_a_topographic_background" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:Graphic Lab/Resources/QGis lesson 1: Create a topographic background">Wikipedia talk:Graphic Lab/Resources/QGis lesson 1: Create a topographic background</a>.<br/><span style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;">Message added <a href="/wiki/User:MissMJ" title="User:MissMJ">MissMJ</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MissMJ" title="User talk:MissMJ">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-MissMJ-2011-06-15T23:19:00.000Z-QGis_lesson_1" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:19, 15 June 2011 (UTC)</a>. You can <a href="/wiki/Special:EditPage/User_talk:Yug/Archive02" title="Special:EditPage/User talk:Yug/Archive02">remove this notice</a> at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.<span data-mw-comment-end="c-MissMJ-2011-06-15T23:19:00.000Z-QGis_lesson_1"></span></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MissMJ-2011-06-15T23:19:00.000Z-QGis_lesson_1"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></div> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Shuo_Wen_radicals" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shuo_Wen_radicals-2011-06-17T19:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Shuo_Wen_radicals-2011-06-17T19:20:00.000Z"></span>Shuo Wen radicals<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Shuo_Wen_radicals-2011-06-17T19:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=80" title="Edit section: Shuo Wen radicals"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Yannis1962-2011-06-17T19:20:00.000Z-Shuo_Wen_radicals"></span>dear Yug, In your <a href="/w/index.php?title=Shuowen_radicals&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Shuowen radicals (page does not exist)">Shuowen radicals</a> list there are four duplicate radicals and the total is 542, so when I remove the duplicates, only 538 radicals remain. Can you please add the missing ones? Is there some authoritative resource for the choice of Unicode characters representing the radicals? Thank you in advance <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Yannis1962&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Yannis1962 (page does not exist)">Yannis1962</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Yannis1962" title="User talk:Yannis1962">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Yannis1962" title="Special:Contributions/Yannis1962">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yug/Archive02#c-Yannis1962-2011-06-17T19:20:00.000Z-Shuo_Wen_radicals" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)</a></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Yannis1962-2011-06-17T19:20:00.000Z-Shuo_Wen_radicals"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Yannis1962-2011-06-17T19:20:00.000Z-Shuo_Wen_radicals"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="TUSC_token_a6777bd2af554d07358f42796771c4b7" data-mw-thread-id="h-TUSC_token_a6777bd2af554d07358f42796771c4b7"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TUSC_token_a6777bd2af554d07358f42796771c4b7"></span>TUSC token a6777bd2af554d07358f42796771c4b7<span data-mw-comment-end="h-TUSC_token_a6777bd2af554d07358f42796771c4b7"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&action=edit&section=81" title="Edit section: TUSC token a6777bd2af554d07358f42796771c4b7"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p>I am now proud owner of a <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/tusc.php">TUSC</a> account! </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&oldid=1088310219">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yug/Archive02&oldid=1088310219</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 17 May 2022, at 09:02<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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