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If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Psychology" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychology">the discussion</a> and see a list of open tasks.<span class="metadata wpb-metadata"><span class="wpb-project">Psychology</span><span class="wpb-project_link">Wikipedia:WikiProject Psychology</span><span class="wpb-banner_name">Template:WikiProject Psychology</span><span class="wpb-assessment_cat">psychology</span></span></td><td class="mbox-empty-cell"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> <meta property="mw:PageProp/toc"/> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Older_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Older_discussion-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Older_discussion-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z"></span>Older discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Older_discussion-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=1" title="Edit section: Older discussion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Georgia_guy-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z-Older_discussion"></span>Why are a few of these links external rather than Wikipedia links?? <a href="/wiki/User:Georgia_guy" title="User:Georgia guy">Georgia guy</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Georgia_guy-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z-Older_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Georgia_guy-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z-Older_discussion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Georgia_guy-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z-Older_discussion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rfrisbie-2006-07-15T23:17:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z"></span>Some words don't have encyclopedia articles, so they're linked to dictionary articles. <a href="/wiki/User:Rfrisbie" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Rfrisbie">Rfrisbie</a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rfrisbie" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Rfrisbie">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Rfrisbie-2006-07-15T23:17:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rfrisbie-2006-07-15T23:17:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rfrisbie-2006-07-15T23:17:00.000Z-Georgia_guy-2006-07-15T22:28:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:35:00.000Z-Rfrisbie-2006-07-15T23:17:00.000Z"></span>I hope that's fixed. <a href="/wiki/User:Jmlk17" title="User:Jmlk17">Jmlk17</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:35:00.000Z-Rfrisbie-2006-07-15T23:17:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:35:00.000Z-Rfrisbie-2006-07-15T23:17:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:35:00.000Z-Rfrisbie-2006-07-15T23:17:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mattisse-2007-09-09T03:24:00.000Z-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:35:00.000Z"></span>Template links are to link to Wikipedia articles, not otherwise. Dictionary links do not count. In fact, if the dictionary definition is enough, you don't need the article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mattisse" title="User:Mattisse">Mattisse</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Mattisse-2007-09-09T03:24:00.000Z-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mattisse-2007-09-09T03:24:00.000Z-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:35:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mattisse-2007-09-09T03:24:00.000Z-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:35:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Repentance" data-mw-thread-id="h-Repentance-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Repentance-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z"></span>Repentance<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Repentance-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=2" title="Edit section: Repentance"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Aleta-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z-Repentance"></span>Is repentance really an emotion? Does it belong on this template? <a href="/wiki/User:Aleta" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Aleta">Aleta</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Aleta-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z-Repentance" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Aleta-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z-Repentance"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Aleta-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z-Repentance"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:34:00.000Z-Aleta-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps; maybe it depends on the definition of it to some people. <a href="/wiki/User:Jmlk17" title="User:Jmlk17">Jmlk17</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:34:00.000Z-Aleta-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:34:00.000Z-Aleta-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jmlk17-2007-04-21T10:34:00.000Z-Aleta-2007-01-02T01:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="These_words_are_mostly_not_emotions_-_template_needs_to_be_changed_or_deleted" data-mw-thread-id="h-These_words_are_mostly_not_emotions_-_template_needs_to_be_changed_or_deleted-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-These_words_are_mostly_not_emotions_-_template_needs_to_be_changed_or_deleted-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z"></span>These words are mostly not emotions - template needs to be changed or deleted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-These_words_are_mostly_not_emotions_-_template_needs_to_be_changed_or_deleted-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=3" title="Edit section: These words are mostly not emotions - template needs to be changed or deleted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mattisse-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z-These_words_are_mostly_not_emotions_-_template_needs_to_be_changed_or_deleted"></span>I object to this template and will propose that it be deleted if you do not change it so that it does not reflect the field of Psychology. --<a href="/wiki/User:Mattisse" title="User:Mattisse">Mattisse</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Mattisse-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z-These_words_are_mostly_not_emotions_-_template_needs_to_be_changed_or_deleted" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mattisse-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z-These_words_are_mostly_not_emotions_-_template_needs_to_be_changed_or_deleted"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mattisse-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z-These_words_are_mostly_not_emotions_-_template_needs_to_be_changed_or_deleted"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Whitespace-2007-11-24T02:04:00.000Z-Mattisse-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z"></span>"it be deleted if you do not change it so that it does not reflect..." Are you perhaps meaning to ask that it's changed so that it does "reflect the field of Psychology"? As far as I know, there is no definitive, complete taxonomy of emotion. The template is expedient, and so I think it should stay and be developed further. <a href="/wiki/User:Whitespace" title="User:Whitespace">Whitespace</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Whitespace" title="User talk:Whitespace">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Whitespace-2007-11-24T02:04:00.000Z-Mattisse-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Whitespace-2007-11-24T02:04:00.000Z-Mattisse-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Whitespace-2007-11-24T02:04:00.000Z-Mattisse-2007-09-08T21:22:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Basic_emotions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Basic_emotions-2008-04-15T11:29:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Basic_emotions-2008-04-15T11:29:00.000Z"></span>Basic emotions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Basic_emotions-2008-04-15T11:29:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=4" title="Edit section: Basic emotions"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-15T11:29:00.000Z-Basic_emotions"></span>Since the very distinction between basic and other emotions is highly controversial (see article on <a href="/wiki/Emotions" class="mw-redirect" title="Emotions">emotions</a> for instance) I suggest that this grouping is removed. I am going to incorporate the basic ones into the main group. <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Thomascochrane" title="User:Thomascochrane">Thomascochrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomascochrane" title="User talk:Thomascochrane">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thomascochrane" title="Special:Contributions/Thomascochrane">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-15T11:29:00.000Z-Basic_emotions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-15T11:29:00.000Z-Basic_emotions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-15T11:29:00.000Z-Basic_emotions"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T22:06:00.000Z-Basic_emotions"></span>Jcbutler has replaced the basic distinction. Whilst I note the usefulness and the agreement in psychology about these basic emotions (but only the kind that is reported by New Scientist), there are some extremely prominent theories that disagree (e.g. Ekman, Prinz, Solomon). Secondly, the list is culturally biased, since not all these terms have equivalents in others languages. Thirdly, the very notion of 'basic' is highly theory laden, where there is no consensus that emotions have such innate emotion specific systems (e.g. a fear system rather than simply dimensions). Fourthly the term implies that non-basic emotions are built from basic emotions which is again not agreed. </p><p>Perhaps some sort of compromise is possible here? We could have a list of 'common' emotions (no more than ten) and then a second list of all the rest (including ambiguous candidates like lust, interest etc.) <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Thomascochrane" title="User:Thomascochrane">Thomascochrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomascochrane" title="User talk:Thomascochrane">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thomascochrane" title="Special:Contributions/Thomascochrane">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T22:06:00.000Z-Basic_emotions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)</a></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T22:06:00.000Z-Basic_emotions"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T22:06:00.000Z-Basic_emotions"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twas_Now-2008-05-08T07:14:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T22:06:00.000Z"></span>I just saw this template and immediately thought how ridiculous it is. Who has determined this hierarchy of emotions? Are all other emotions supposed to be based on some mixture of these four "basic" emotions? What is the formula for <a href="/wiki/Ambivalence" title="Ambivalence">ambivalence</a>? Patience? Surprise? Also, the link from the template to the basic emotions (<a href="/wiki/Emotion#Classification_by_basic_emotions" title="Emotion">Emotion#Classification by basic emotions</a>) is broken. − <a href="/wiki/User:Twas_Now" title="User:Twas Now"><b>Twas <i>Now</i></b></a> <small>( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twas_Now" title="User talk:Twas Now">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Twas_Now" title="Special:Contributions/Twas Now">contribs</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Twas_Now" title="Special:EmailUser/Twas Now">e-mail</a> )</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Twas_Now-2008-05-08T07:14:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T22:06:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twas_Now-2008-05-08T07:14:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T22:06:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twas_Now-2008-05-08T07:14:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T22:06:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Merge_from_Template:Emotion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merge_from_Template:Emotion-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merge_from_Template:Emotion-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"></span>Merge from Template:Emotion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merge_from_Template:Emotion-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=5" title="Edit section: Merge from Template:Emotion"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Emotion"></span>I suggest a merge from <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Emotion" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Emotion">Emotion</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to here, to prevent redundancy, and because the larger list seems more worthwhile, and because it is not an <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_series" title="Wikipedia:Article series">Article series</a> hence it makes more sense to present these links as a navigational footer template. Any thoughts/objections? -- <a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity" title="User talk:Quiddity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Emotion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Emotion"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z-Merge_from_Template:Emotion"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jcbutler-2008-04-16T21:39:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"></span>It does make sense to combine them, but it's also handy to have two different sized templates. The side template is easy to see right away, but the footer template is useful when there are a lot of pictures and other templates in the article. I would agree to making them identical in content, but I <b>oppose</b> merging them into a single template. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jcbutler" title="User:Jcbutler">Jcbutler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jcbutler" title="User talk:Jcbutler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Jcbutler-2008-04-16T21:39:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jcbutler-2008-04-16T21:39:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jcbutler-2008-04-16T21:39:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"></span>I agree with Jcbutler. The contents should be identical (and generally very inclusive) but it's worth keeping both formats. I think the side bar is most appropriate for the main emotions article at least. Meanwhile I think the psychology template should be a footer as it is less relevant than a list of emotions to this page. Remember that despite its importance, emotions are not just a psychology topic! <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Thomascochrane" title="User:Thomascochrane">Thomascochrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomascochrane" title="User talk:Thomascochrane">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thomascochrane" title="Special:Contributions/Thomascochrane">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"></span></small><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2008-04-17T18:16:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z"></span>Having 2 identical-content templates, except for their design, would be the very definition of redundancy. They need to either differ in content, or get merged into a single template. There are currently 52 items in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Emotion" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Emotion">Emotion</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, and 68 items here.</dd> <dd>If we decide to retain 2 templates, we could make <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Emotion" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Emotion">Emotion</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> into the list of "basic emotions" and this one into the "full list of emotions". Or something else, if anyone has any suggestions?</dd> <dd>If we merge them to a single location, the format/design is less relevant, and can be changed anytime in the future. Whether sidebar or footer, can be determined in another thread. – I prefer using footer nav-boxes, until a set is well-enough developed to be called an "article series". And, 68 items is a lot to squeeze into an unorganized sidebar navbox. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity" title="User talk:Quiddity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Quiddity-2008-04-17T18:16:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2008-04-17T18:16:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2008-04-17T18:16:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_Daoust-2008-04-19T11:28:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-17T18:16:00.000Z"></span>A sidebar must have a very good reason to be put in the heading of an article. Given that any list of emotions, even 'basic', is controversial, I cannot see an 'article series' on emotions. An emotion footer is quite enough, as far as I am concerned. --<a href="/wiki/User:Robert_Daoust" title="User:Robert Daoust">Robert Daoust</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_Daoust" title="User talk:Robert Daoust">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Robert_Daoust-2008-04-19T11:28:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-17T18:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_Daoust-2008-04-19T11:28:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-17T18:16:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_Daoust-2008-04-19T11:28:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-17T18:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jcbutler-2008-05-07T20:23:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z"></span>Why does a sidebar need to have a "very good reason" to be put in the heading of an article? Many psychology articles use the psychology sidebar, which is typically located on the right side of the beginning of the article. This is very useful, and there is even advertising research indicating that right-hand side bars are more frequently noticed and clicked on than boxes in other locations. I would wager that templates located at the bottom of the page are less frequently used, though they still may be useful, depending on the article. What's the big difficulty in using both? Their functions are not redundant and I hardly think we are taxing the storage capacity of Wikipedia by keeping both types. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jcbutler" title="User:Jcbutler">Jcbutler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jcbutler" title="User talk:Jcbutler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Jcbutler-2008-05-07T20:23:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jcbutler-2008-05-07T20:23:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jcbutler-2008-05-07T20:23:00.000Z-Thomascochrane-2008-04-16T21:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Robert_Daoust-2008-05-07T20:57:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-07T20:23:00.000Z"></span>Research also indicates that the heading or first viewed part of an article is the best place to put what you want to be seen first and foremost. When people go to an article, they want info on that topic, not a list of apparented topic. I agree that depending on circumstances a sidebar or a footer may be preferable. In the case of emotions, a footer seems more than enough to me because emotions do not form a well defined group according to reliable sources, such as someone would likely want to get info on each of the listed items. I think there should be templates, list articles, infoboxes, and categories for linking together in some ways affective or emotional topics: for emotions, a See also link to <a href="/wiki/List_of_emotions" class="mw-redirect" title="List of emotions">List of emotions</a> would be enough for me. --<a href="/wiki/User:Robert_Daoust" title="User:Robert Daoust">Robert Daoust</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Robert_Daoust" title="User talk:Robert Daoust">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Robert_Daoust-2008-05-07T20:57:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-07T20:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Robert_Daoust-2008-05-07T20:57:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-07T20:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Robert_Daoust-2008-05-07T20:57:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-07T20:23:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Evrik-2008-05-08T19:08:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"></span>I took the tags off. Rather than debate the template, its placement on indivudal articles is more relevant. --<a href="/wiki/User:Evrik" title="User:Evrik">evrik</a> <sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Evrik" title="User talk:Evrik">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Evrik-2008-05-08T19:08:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Evrik-2008-05-08T19:08:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Evrik-2008-05-08T19:08:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-04-16T21:23:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2008-05-08T22:12:00.000Z-Evrik-2008-05-08T19:08:00.000Z"></span>The tags weren't interfering, and were promoting this discussion. Both templates are still unsourced. I'm replacing the tags until the issues have been dealt with, in order to get them the attention that they still need. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity" title="User talk:Quiddity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Quiddity-2008-05-08T22:12:00.000Z-Evrik-2008-05-08T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2008-05-08T22:12:00.000Z-Evrik-2008-05-08T19:08:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2008-05-08T22:12:00.000Z-Evrik-2008-05-08T19:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3"><h3 id="Merging" data-mw-thread-id="h-Merging-Merge_from_Template:Emotion-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Merging-Merge_from_Template:Emotion-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z"></span>Merging<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Merging-Merge_from_Template:Emotion-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z"></span></h3><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=6" title="Edit section: Merging"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z-Merging"></span>I'm going to merge the content of these templates to here, and deprecate the use of the sidebar <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Emotion" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:Emotion">emotion</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, based on the feedback in this thread, and <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion#Template_change" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:Emotion">Template talk:Emotion#Template change</a>. I'll also confirm that it is included on all the pages that it links to. </p><p>Please discuss any problems here. Thanks. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity" title="User talk:Quiddity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Quiddity-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z-Merging" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z-Merging"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z-Merging"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jcbutler-2008-11-12T19:45:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z"></span>The footer template is small and easy to overlook, and I don't think there was ever a consensus to merge. As a compromise, I advocate using the footer (alone) in all articles except for the <a href="/wiki/Emotion" title="Emotion">emotion</a> article itself, where the sidebar can serve as a useful supplement and conveniently visible reference point. --<a href="/wiki/User:Jcbutler" title="User:Jcbutler">Jcbutler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jcbutler" title="User talk:Jcbutler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Jcbutler-2008-11-12T19:45:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jcbutler-2008-11-12T19:45:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jcbutler-2008-11-12T19:45:00.000Z-Quiddity-2008-05-28T19:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Common?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Common?-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"><span id="Common.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Common?-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"></span>Common?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Common?-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=7" title="Edit section: Common?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z-Common?"></span>Common emotions?! I know some of us didn't like the term "basic" but at least it has some usage in psychology. Common doesn't mean anything except "common" and unless there is evidence showing that anger actually occurs more frequently than affection, let's just call the whole thing off and have a single list already! --<a href="/wiki/User:Jcbutler" title="User:Jcbutler">Jcbutler</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Jcbutler" title="User talk:Jcbutler">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z-Common?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z-Common?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z-Common?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2008-06-10T22:18:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"></span>Agreed, we should merge the "basic" in, and have a single list. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity" title="User talk:Quiddity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Quiddity-2008-06-10T22:18:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2008-06-10T22:18:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2008-06-10T22:18:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Twas_Now-2008-06-10T22:42:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"></span>I also agree. Supposing those four are, in fact, the "basic" emotions, then are the others the "complex" emotions? Are they combinations of the "basic" emotions? Ambivalence = 1 parts happiness, 1 part sadness; Patience = -2 parts anger, 1 part fear; Surprise = 2 part fear, 1 part anger, 1 part happiness. − <a href="/wiki/User:Twas_Now" title="User:Twas Now"><b>Twas <i>Now</i></b></a> <small>( <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Twas_Now" title="User talk:Twas Now">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Twas_Now" title="Special:Contributions/Twas Now">contribs</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Twas_Now" title="Special:EmailUser/Twas Now">e-mail</a> )</small> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Twas_Now-2008-06-10T22:42:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Twas_Now-2008-06-10T22:42:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Twas_Now-2008-06-10T22:42:00.000Z-Jcbutler-2008-05-30T23:30:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Thomascochrane-2008-06-13T08:46:00.000Z-Common?"></span>ok, I agree, it was a rubbish compromise! --<a href="/wiki/User:Thomascochrane" title="User:Thomascochrane">Thomascochrane</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Thomascochrane" title="User talk:Thomascochrane">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Thomascochrane-2008-06-13T08:46:00.000Z-Common?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Thomascochrane-2008-06-13T08:46:00.000Z-Common?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Thomascochrane-2008-06-13T08:46:00.000Z-Common?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scarpy-2008-06-17T00:37:00.000Z-Common?"></span>I very much like where this is going. I can't believe there is no comprehensive taxonomy of emotion. You would think one could explore its evolution through its expression during developement just as we note evolutionary development through zygote development. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Xtss33&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Xtss33 (page does not exist)">xtss33</a> 17:02, 16 June 2008 (MST) <small>—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.88.170.34" title="Special:Contributions/64.88.170.34">64.88.170.34</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:64.88.170.34" title="User talk:64.88.170.34">talk</a>) </small> </p> <dl><dd>It's not completely unresearched. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=%22emotion+taxonomy%22+%7C+%22taxonomy+of+emotion%22&btnG=Search">[1]</a> -- <a href="/wiki/User:Scarpy" title="User:Scarpy">Scarpy</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scarpy" title="User talk:Scarpy">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Scarpy-2008-06-17T00:37:00.000Z-Common?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scarpy-2008-06-17T00:37:00.000Z-Common?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scarpy-2008-06-17T00:37:00.000Z-Common?"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Desire_is_a_dab_page" data-mw-thread-id="h-Desire_is_a_dab_page-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Desire_is_a_dab_page-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z"></span>Desire is a dab page<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Desire_is_a_dab_page-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=8" title="Edit section: Desire is a dab page"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-SlackerMom-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z-Desire_is_a_dab_page"></span>The current link to <a href="/wiki/Desire" title="Desire">Desire</a> in this template goes to a disambiguation page. This is not technically correct, as it should rather go to an article, but I'm having trouble figuring out which article to send it to. WP doesn't currently have an article for <a href="/wiki/Desire_(emotion)" class="mw-redirect" title="Desire (emotion)">Desire (emotion)</a>. Anyone have any ideas? Should I just turn it red? <a href="/wiki/User:SlackerMom" title="User:SlackerMom">SlackerMom</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:SlackerMom" title="User talk:SlackerMom">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-SlackerMom-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z-Desire_is_a_dab_page" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:30, 9 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-SlackerMom-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z-Desire_is_a_dab_page"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-SlackerMom-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z-Desire_is_a_dab_page"></span> </p> <ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-OnBeyondZebrax-2008-09-17T19:11:00.000Z-SlackerMom-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z"></span>Hi, I tried to create a desire (emotion) article, but it got neutralized and turned back into a DAB page, in a sort of automatic, impersonal way that makes me think it was a bot that did it rather than another editor. I'll try again.<a href="/wiki/User:OnBeyondZebrax" title="User:OnBeyondZebrax">OnBeyondZebrax</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:OnBeyondZebrax" title="User talk:OnBeyondZebrax">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-OnBeyondZebrax-2008-09-17T19:11:00.000Z-SlackerMom-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-OnBeyondZebrax-2008-09-17T19:11:00.000Z-SlackerMom-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-OnBeyondZebrax-2008-09-17T19:11:00.000Z-SlackerMom-2008-09-09T14:30:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Quiddity-2008-09-18T00:02:00.000Z-OnBeyondZebrax-2008-09-17T19:11:00.000Z"></span>Hi. The page you created at <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Desire_(emotion)&diff=239083439&oldid=239083358">Desire (emotion)</a> was redirected because it was primarily covering the information already included at <a href="/wiki/Desire_(philosophy)" class="mw-redirect" title="Desire (philosophy)">Desire (philosophy)</a>. If you decide to rewrite the article, try to keep it focused on just the emotion. Also, neither of the sources you used could be considered <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">reliable</a> or useful (Britannica has a horrible website and doesn't include much information on the emotion, and the marketing glossary doesn't give any context at all to support the sentence you've cited it against). Hope that helps. -- <a href="/wiki/User:Quiddity" title="User:Quiddity">Quiddity</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Quiddity" title="User talk:Quiddity">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Quiddity-2008-09-18T00:02:00.000Z-OnBeyondZebrax-2008-09-17T19:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Quiddity-2008-09-18T00:02:00.000Z-OnBeyondZebrax-2008-09-17T19:11:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Quiddity-2008-09-18T00:02:00.000Z-OnBeyondZebrax-2008-09-17T19:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></li></ul> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Are_these_all_emotions?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Are_these_all_emotions?-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z"><span id="Are_these_all_emotions.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Are_these_all_emotions?-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z"></span>Are these all emotions?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Are_these_all_emotions?-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=9" title="Edit section: Are these all emotions?"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-BryanD-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z-Are_these_all_emotions?"></span>Are honesty and patience considered emotions? --<a href="/wiki/User:BryanD" title="User:BryanD">BryanD</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:BryanD" title="User talk:BryanD">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-BryanD-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z-Are_these_all_emotions?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-BryanD-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z-Are_these_all_emotions?"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-BryanD-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z-Are_these_all_emotions?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Mattisse-2008-12-14T02:37:00.000Z-BryanD-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z"></span>I don't consider them emotions. But what is an emotion seems to be very open to question on this template. —<a href="/wiki/User:Mattisse" title="User:Mattisse"><span style="color:navy;"><b>Mattisse</b></span></a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Mattisse" title="User talk:Mattisse">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Mattisse-2008-12-14T02:37:00.000Z-BryanD-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Mattisse-2008-12-14T02:37:00.000Z-BryanD-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Mattisse-2008-12-14T02:37:00.000Z-BryanD-2008-12-14T01:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="proposed_that_irritability_be_deleted" data-mw-thread-id="h-proposed_that_irritability_be_deleted-2009-05-10T05:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-proposed_that_irritability_be_deleted-2009-05-10T05:09:00.000Z"></span>proposed that <a href="/wiki/Irritability" title="Irritability">irritability</a> be deleted<span data-mw-comment-end="h-proposed_that_irritability_be_deleted-2009-05-10T05:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=10" title="Edit section: proposed that irritability be deleted"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><a href="/wiki/Irritability" title="Irritability"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Earlypsychosis-2009-05-10T05:09:00.000Z-proposed_that_irritability_be_deleted"></span>irritability</a> proposed deleted <a href="/wiki/Talk:Irritability" title="Talk:Irritability">here</a> and then I discovered this template. <a href="/wiki/User:Earlypsychosis" title="User:Earlypsychosis">Earlypsychosis</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Earlypsychosis" title="User talk:Earlypsychosis">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Earlypsychosis-2009-05-10T05:09:00.000Z-proposed_that_irritability_be_deleted" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Earlypsychosis-2009-05-10T05:09:00.000Z-proposed_that_irritability_be_deleted"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Earlypsychosis-2009-05-10T05:09:00.000Z-proposed_that_irritability_be_deleted"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Relief" data-mw-thread-id="h-Relief-2009-07-28T22:13:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Relief-2009-07-28T22:13:00.000Z"></span>Relief<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Relief-2009-07-28T22:13:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=11" title="Edit section: Relief"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-71.203.158.104-2009-07-28T22:13:00.000Z-Relief"></span>Shouldn't the emotion "relief" be added? Maybe I'm just missing something. But I think it should be added. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.203.158.104" title="Special:Contributions/71.203.158.104">71.203.158.104</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:71.203.158.104" title="User talk:71.203.158.104">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-71.203.158.104-2009-07-28T22:13:00.000Z-Relief" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-71.203.158.104-2009-07-28T22:13:00.000Z-Relief"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-71.203.158.104-2009-07-28T22:13:00.000Z-Relief"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_bit_of_cleanup" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_bit_of_cleanup-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_bit_of_cleanup-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z"></span>A bit of cleanup<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_bit_of_cleanup-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=12" title="Edit section: A bit of cleanup"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Cgingold-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z-A_bit_of_cleanup"></span>I just finished removing a number of items from this list because they are not, in fact "emotions" -- and I'm sure I've missed some. (I also considered a number of items that I left on the list because I was not entirely certain they should be removed.) </p><p>This template is NOT supposed to be a list of "things that have something to do with emotion", but that seems to be the standard that some editors have used. I rather doubt that there is actually anything left to be added to the list at this point, so please think it over very carefully before adding a new item to the template. </p><p>Here is the list of items I removed: *Acedia * Calmness *Epiphany *Fanaticism *Inspiration *Kindness *Melancholia *Shyness. <a href="/wiki/User:Cgingold" title="User:Cgingold">Cgingold</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Cgingold" title="User talk:Cgingold">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Cgingold-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z-A_bit_of_cleanup" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:41, 20 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Cgingold-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z-A_bit_of_cleanup"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Cgingold-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z-A_bit_of_cleanup"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arnoutf-2010-06-20T17:09:00.000Z-Cgingold-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for the work, I agree this list has been expanding with all kinds of things vaguely related to emotions. Reliability and verifiability seems to be not as strictly upheld in templates.</dd> <dd>In this case it is rather complex as lists of emotions are rather difficult to come by; you would have to look in top end pyschology journals to find anything of relevance. <a href="/wiki/User:Arnoutf" title="User:Arnoutf">Arnoutf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arnoutf" title="User talk:Arnoutf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Arnoutf-2010-06-20T17:09:00.000Z-Cgingold-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arnoutf-2010-06-20T17:09:00.000Z-Cgingold-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arnoutf-2010-06-20T17:09:00.000Z-Cgingold-2010-06-20T16:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removed_OR_tag" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removed_OR_tag-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removed_OR_tag-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z"></span>Removed OR tag<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removed_OR_tag-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=13" title="Edit section: Removed OR tag"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z-Removed_OR_tag"></span>Not really appropriate. Dicdef or categories will say something is an emotion. Although <a href="/wiki/Category:Emotions" title="Category:Emotions">category:Emotions</a> might make the navbox redundant. <i><a href="/wiki/User:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User:Rich Farmbrough">Rich</a> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rich_Farmbrough" title="User talk:Rich Farmbrough">Farmbrough</a></i>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Rich_Farmbrough-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z-Removed_OR_tag" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)</a>.<span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z-Removed_OR_tag"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rich_Farmbrough-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z-Removed_OR_tag"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arnoutf-2010-07-20T21:41:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z"></span>The taxonomy of emotions is still the topic of academic debate. Wikipedians tend to add whatever they like to this template. We need a reliable reference for the list, and for each and every term added outside the listref. Without that I the list is not sourced and should be deleted altogether; or second best be tagged as lacking sources. <a href="/wiki/User:Arnoutf" title="User:Arnoutf">Arnoutf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arnoutf" title="User talk:Arnoutf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Arnoutf-2010-07-20T21:41:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arnoutf-2010-07-20T21:41:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arnoutf-2010-07-20T21:41:00.000Z-Rich_Farmbrough-2010-07-20T21:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Varlaam-2010-10-07T16:45:00.000Z-Arnoutf-2010-07-20T21:41:00.000Z"></span>I concur with Mr. Farmbrough.</dd> <dd>Equivocations don't need to be displayed in a footer.</dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Varlaam" title="User:Varlaam">Varlaam</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Varlaam" title="User talk:Varlaam">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Varlaam-2010-10-07T16:45:00.000Z-Arnoutf-2010-07-20T21:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Varlaam-2010-10-07T16:45:00.000Z-Arnoutf-2010-07-20T21:41:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Varlaam-2010-10-07T16:45:00.000Z-Arnoutf-2010-07-20T21:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arnoutf-2010-10-07T17:49:00.000Z-Varlaam-2010-10-07T16:45:00.000Z"></span>As stated above the taxonomy of emotions is an ongoing scientific debate. This template has a history of editors randomly adding terms to the template, and a blunt denial of all to provide sources.</dd> <dd>I know of no guideline that explicitly exempts footers from <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>.</dd> <dd>Simply put, the compilation of this list IS original research and therefore the warning to the readers MUST be in this list per <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a>.</dd> <dd>Of course I would be happy to remove the unsourced information AND the tag, but that would leave an completely empty template as it stands now. <a href="/wiki/User:Arnoutf" title="User:Arnoutf">Arnoutf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arnoutf" title="User talk:Arnoutf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Arnoutf-2010-10-07T17:49:00.000Z-Varlaam-2010-10-07T16:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arnoutf-2010-10-07T17:49:00.000Z-Varlaam-2010-10-07T16:45:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arnoutf-2010-10-07T17:49:00.000Z-Varlaam-2010-10-07T16:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Arnoutf-2013-02-26T19:25:00.000Z-Arnoutf-2010-10-07T17:49:00.000Z"></span>I give up, navboxes and footer templates are apparently part of the wild west of Wikipedia where people can add stuff without citations, and where quality control is not appreciated. <a href="/wiki/User:Arnoutf" title="User:Arnoutf">Arnoutf</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Arnoutf" title="User talk:Arnoutf">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Arnoutf-2013-02-26T19:25:00.000Z-Arnoutf-2010-10-07T17:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:25, 26 February 2013 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Arnoutf-2013-02-26T19:25:00.000Z-Arnoutf-2010-10-07T17:49:00.000Z"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Arnoutf-2013-02-26T19:25:00.000Z-Arnoutf-2010-10-07T17:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="A_sea_of_dablinks" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_sea_of_dablinks-2010-12-19T05:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_sea_of_dablinks-2010-12-19T05:08:00.000Z"></span>A sea of dablinks<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_sea_of_dablinks-2010-12-19T05:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=14" title="Edit section: A sea of dablinks"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-JaGa-2010-12-19T05:08:00.000Z-A_sea_of_dablinks"></span>Check out <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py?page=Template%3AEmotion-footer">this tool</a>. Each link in red is a disambig link that must be fixed. Anyone want to help? --<a href="/wiki/User:JaGa" title="User:JaGa"><b><span style="color:#990000;">Ja</span><span style="color:#000099;">Ga</span></b></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:JaGa" title="User talk:JaGa"><span style="color:#000000; font-size:small;"><sup>talk</sup></span></a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-JaGa-2010-12-19T05:08:00.000Z-A_sea_of_dablinks" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-JaGa-2010-12-19T05:08:00.000Z-A_sea_of_dablinks"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-JaGa-2010-12-19T05:08:00.000Z-A_sea_of_dablinks"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Red_names" data-mw-thread-id="h-Red_names-2010-12-21T23:02:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Red_names-2010-12-21T23:02:00.000Z"></span>Red names<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Red_names-2010-12-21T23:02:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=15" title="Edit section: Red names"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-173.3.154.230-2010-12-21T23:02:00.000Z-Red_names"></span>The emotions with no existing articles should either redirect to their synonymous articles or be deleted. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.3.154.230" title="Special:Contributions/173.3.154.230">173.3.154.230</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:173.3.154.230" title="User talk:173.3.154.230">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-173.3.154.230-2010-12-21T23:02:00.000Z-Red_names" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)</a></span><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-173.3.154.230-2010-12-21T23:02:00.000Z-Red_names"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-173.3.154.230-2010-12-21T23:02:00.000Z-Red_names"></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Stress..." data-mw-thread-id="h-Stress...-2018-11-22T04:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stress...-2018-11-22T04:59:00.000Z"></span>Stress...<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stress...-2018-11-22T04:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Stress..."><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-198.48.2.252-2018-11-22T04:59:00.000Z-Stress..."></span>Stress an emotion ? - Or just some catch-all related term ...? - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/198.48.2.252" title="Special:Contributions/198.48.2.252">198.48.2.252</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:198.48.2.252" title="User talk:198.48.2.252">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-198.48.2.252-2018-11-22T04:59:00.000Z-Stress..." class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:59, 22 November 2018 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-198.48.2.252-2018-11-22T04:59:00.000Z-Stress..."><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-198.48.2.252-2018-11-22T04:59:00.000Z-Stress..."></span> </p> <div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section"><h2 id="Removal_of_ikigai" data-mw-thread-id="h-Removal_of_ikigai-20240428074500"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Removal_of_ikigai-20240428074500"></span>Removal of ikigai<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Removal_of_ikigai-20240428074500"></span></h2><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&action=edit&section=17" title="Edit section: Removal of ikigai"><span>edit</span></a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Highcollargirl-20240428074500-Removal_of_ikigai"></span>I think Ikigai should be removed from this template, or at the very least moved to fall under the "Worldviews" section. I don't think that possessing a sense of purpose or goal in life is an emotion. <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Highcollargirl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Highcollargirl (page does not exist)">Highcollargirl</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Highcollargirl&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Highcollargirl (page does not exist)">talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Emotion_navbox#c-Highcollargirl-20240428074500-Removal_of_ikigai" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Highcollargirl-20240428074500-Removal_of_ikigai"><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">[</span><a class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-reply" role="button" tabindex="0" href="">reply</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-bracket">]</span></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Highcollargirl-20240428074500-Removal_of_ikigai"></span> </p>    </div><noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?useformat=desktop&type=1x1&usesul3=0" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&oldid=1230522450">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Emotion_navbox&oldid=1230522450</a>"</div></div> <div id="catlinks" class="catlinks" data-mw="interface"><div id="mw-normal-catlinks" class="mw-normal-catlinks"><a href="/wiki/Help:Category" title="Help:Category">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-Class_psychology_articles" title="Category:NA-Class psychology articles">NA-Class psychology articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:NA-importance_psychology_articles" title="Category:NA-importance psychology articles">NA-importance psychology articles</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:WikiProject_Psychology_articles" title="Category:WikiProject Psychology articles">WikiProject Psychology articles</a></li></ul></div></div> </div> </main> </div> <div class="mw-footer-container"> <footer id="footer" class="mw-footer" > <ul id="footer-info"> <li id="footer-info-lastmod"> This page was last edited on 23 June 2024, at 06:25<span class="anonymous-show"> (UTC)</span>.</li> <li id="footer-info-copyright">Text is available under the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License" title="Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License</a>; additional terms may apply. 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