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title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 1">Archive 1</a></td><td>←</td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_5" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 5">Archive 5</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_6" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 6">Archive 6</a></td><td><span style="font-size:115%;"><a class="mw-selflink selflink">Archive 7</a></span></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_8" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 8">Archive 8</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_9" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 9">Archive 9</a></td><td><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_10" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 10">Archive 10</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <div id="toc" class="toc" role="navigation" aria-labelledby="mw-toc-heading"><input type="checkbox" role="button" id="toctogglecheckbox" class="toctogglecheckbox" style="display:none"><div class="toctitle" lang="en" dir="ltr"><h2 id="mw-toc-heading">Contents</h2><span class="toctogglespan"><label class="toctogglelabel" for="toctogglecheckbox"></label></span></div> <ul> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1"><a href="#Deletion_discussion"><span class="tocnumber">1</span> <span class="toctext">Deletion discussion</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2"><a href="#Shock_and_awe"><span class="tocnumber">2</span> <span class="toctext">Shock and awe</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3"><a href="#Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?"><span class="tocnumber">3</span> <span class="toctext">Is there any reason to use infobox Maryland highway over infobox road?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-4"><a href="#Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?"><span class="tocnumber">4</span> <span class="toctext">Why does U.S. Route 94 redirect to Tamiami Trail?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-5"><a href="#Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles"><span class="tocnumber">5</span> <span class="toctext">Reformatting of U.S. Route articles</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6"><a href="#List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing"><span class="tocnumber">6</span> <span class="toctext">List of Nevada state highways needs fixing</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-7"><a href="#Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"><span class="tocnumber">7</span> <span class="toctext">Google Maps for U.S. / state route estimates?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-8"><a href="#Exit_list_pages"><span class="tocnumber">8</span> <span class="toctext">Exit list pages</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-9"><a href="#Request_for_comments"><span class="tocnumber">9</span> <span class="toctext">Request for comments</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-10"><a href="#Proper_term_for_%22highway_community%22?"><span class="tocnumber">10</span> <span class="toctext">Proper term for "highway community"?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-11"><a href="#Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)"><span class="tocnumber">11</span> <span class="toctext">Adopt a highway (an idea)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-12"><a href="#Good_article_review"><span class="tocnumber">12</span> <span class="toctext">Good article review</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-13"><a href="#Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?"><span class="tocnumber">13</span> <span class="toctext">Utah highways known as U-xx?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-14"><a href="#Signing_Up"><span class="tocnumber">14</span> <span class="toctext">Signing Up</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-15"><a href="#Utah"><span class="tocnumber">15</span> <span class="toctext">Utah</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-16"><a href="#Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?"><span class="tocnumber">16</span> <span class="toctext">Why does this exist? Should it?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-17"><a href="#Copyright_status_of_images"><span class="tocnumber">17</span> <span class="toctext">Copyright status of images</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-18"><a href="#Deletion_discussion_2"><span class="tocnumber">18</span> <span class="toctext">Deletion discussion</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-19"><a href="#Details_on_the_National_Highway_System"><span class="tocnumber">19</span> <span class="toctext">Details on the National Highway System</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-20"><a href="#Interstate_completion_list"><span class="tocnumber">20</span> <span class="toctext">Interstate completion list</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-21"><a href="#More_county_road_joy"><span class="tocnumber">21</span> <span class="toctext">More county road joy</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-22"><a href="#Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again"><span class="tocnumber">22</span> <span class="toctext">Fingers-of-Pyrex is at it again</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-23"><a href="#A_new_WikiProject"><span class="tocnumber">23</span> <span class="toctext">A new WikiProject</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-24"><a href="#Issue_with_WP:USSH"><span class="tocnumber">24</span> <span class="toctext">Issue with WP:USSH</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-25"><a href="#Stub_template_discussion"><span class="tocnumber">25</span> <span class="toctext">Stub template discussion</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-26"><a href="#Potential_neologism"><span class="tocnumber">26</span> <span class="toctext">Potential neologism</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-27"><a href="#WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages"><span class="tocnumber">27</span> <span class="toctext">WikiProject Tags on the Talk pages of Disambiguation pages</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-28"><a href="#Cleanup_templates,_again"><span class="tocnumber">28</span> <span class="toctext">Cleanup templates, again</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-29"><a href="#TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates"><span class="tocnumber">29</span> <span class="toctext">TfD nomination of All USRD Clean-up Templates</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-30"><a href="#New_article_feed"><span class="tocnumber">30</span> <span class="toctext">New article feed</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-31"><a href="#Foster_County_CR_1605"><span class="tocnumber">31</span> <span class="toctext">Foster County CR 1605</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-32"><a href="#Wyoming_state_highway"><span class="tocnumber">32</span> <span class="toctext">Wyoming state highway</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-33"><a href="#TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS"><span class="tocnumber">33</span> <span class="toctext">TfD nomination of Template:FEUS</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-34"><a href="#Photo_request"><span class="tocnumber">34</span> <span class="toctext">Photo request</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-35"><a href="#Major_change_to_all_project_banners"><span class="tocnumber">35</span> <span class="toctext">Major change to all project banners</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-36"><a href="#Fingers-of-Pyrex"><span class="tocnumber">36</span> <span class="toctext">Fingers-of-Pyrex</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-37"><a href="#Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)"><span class="tocnumber">37</span> <span class="toctext">Interstate 35E (Minnesota)</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-38"><a href="#Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability"><span class="tocnumber">38</span> <span class="toctext">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Notability</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-39"><a href="#Another_article_improved"><span class="tocnumber">39</span> <span class="toctext">Another article improved</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-40"><a href="#Issues_with_%7B%7BJct%7D%7D"><span class="tocnumber">40</span> <span class="toctext">Issues with <span>{{</span>Jct<span>}}</span></span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-41"><a href="#Another_merge_issue"><span class="tocnumber">41</span> <span class="toctext">Another merge issue</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-42"><a href="#Warner_Road,_Arizona"><span class="tocnumber">42</span> <span class="toctext">Warner Road, Arizona</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-43"><a href="#I-169"><span class="tocnumber">43</span> <span class="toctext">I-169</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-44"><a href="#Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways"><span class="tocnumber">44</span> <span class="toctext">Lists of proposed auxiliary interstate highways</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-45"><a href="#What_is_this_interchange_type_called?"><span class="tocnumber">45</span> <span class="toctext">What is this interchange type called?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-46"><a href="#Need_help_with_parser_functions"><span class="tocnumber">46</span> <span class="toctext">Need help with parser functions</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-47"><a href="#Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"><span class="tocnumber">47</span> <span class="toctext">Map parameter in infobox road</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-48"><a href="#SH_cat_rename"><span class="tocnumber">48</span> <span class="toctext">SH cat rename</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-49"><a href="#Alaska_State_Routes_articles"><span class="tocnumber">49</span> <span class="toctext">Alaska State Routes articles</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-50"><a href="#Copyright_on_highway_shields"><span class="tocnumber">50</span> <span class="toctext">Copyright on highway shields</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-51"><a href="#Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?"><span class="tocnumber">51</span> <span class="toctext">Move Texas State Highway NASA Road 1 to NASA Road 1?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-52"><a href="#Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes"><span class="tocnumber">52</span> <span class="toctext">Minor issues with shield sizes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-53"><a href="#Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"><span class="tocnumber">53</span> <span class="toctext">Alaska naming - State Route or Alaska Route?</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-54"><a href="#State_MUTCD_supplements"><span class="tocnumber">54</span> <span class="toctext">State MUTCD supplements</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-55"><a href="#New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway"><span class="tocnumber">55</span> <span class="toctext">New book about the Pulaski Skyway</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-56"><a href="#Question_about_infoboxes"><span class="tocnumber">56</span> <span class="toctext">Question about infoboxes</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-57"><a href="#Strange_category_name"><span class="tocnumber">57</span> <span class="toctext">Strange category name</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-58"><a href="#Deletion_discussions"><span class="tocnumber">58</span> <span class="toctext">Deletion discussions</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-59"><a href="#User_list_revamp"><span class="tocnumber">59</span> <span class="toctext">User list revamp</span></a></li> <li class="toclevel-1 tocsection-60"><a href="#New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route"><span class="tocnumber">60</span> <span class="toctext">New Mexico State Road or Route</span></a></li> </ul> </div> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(1)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Deletion_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_discussion-2007-07-07T15:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_discussion-2007-07-07T15:22:00.000Z"></span>Deletion discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_discussion-2007-07-07T15:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:22:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-1 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-1"> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ashford-Dunwoody_Road" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashford-Dunwoody Road"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:22:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion"></span>Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashford-Dunwoody Road</a> --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:22:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:22:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:22:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(2)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Shock_and_awe" data-mw-thread-id="h-Shock_and_awe-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Shock_and_awe-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z"></span>Shock and awe<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Shock_and_awe-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T09:39:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>12 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>8 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-2 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-2"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Northenglish-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span>Would one of the "fearless leaders" mind enlightening the laypeople of the project what the recent newsletter was supposed to mean? </p> <table class="cquote pullquote" role="presentation" style="margin:auto; border-collapse: collapse; border: none; width: auto;"> <tbody><tr> <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: top; border: none; color: #B2B7F2; font-size: 40px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: left; padding: 10px 10px;">“ </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; border: none; padding: 4px 10px;">Right now, as some of you may know, something that may cause controversy is being negotiated. Because of the sensitive nature of this and the efforts to keep the newsletter NPOV, it will not be disclosed. </td> <td style="width: 20px; vertical-align: bottom; border: none; color: #B2B7F2; font-size: 40px; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-weight: bold; line-height: .6em; text-align: right; padding: 10px 10px;">” </td></tr> </tbody></table> <p>If it can cause controversy, it needs to be discussed out in the open. You've been down this road before. -- <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:Northenglish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:Northenglish (page does not exist)"><b>NORTH</b></a> <sup><a href="/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Northenglish&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:Northenglish (page does not exist)">talk</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Northenglish-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Northenglish-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Northenglish-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-07T11:50:00.000Z-Northenglish-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z"></span>If the mere mention of it is NPOV, it makes one wonder. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-07T11:50:00.000Z-Northenglish-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-07T11:50:00.000Z-Northenglish-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-07T11:50:00.000Z-Northenglish-2007-07-07T07:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T14:49:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-07T11:50:00.000Z"></span>If somebody seriously wants to know, feel free to email me. This was something that was not appropriate to discuss in a newsletter. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T14:49:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-07T11:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T14:49:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-07T11:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T14:49:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-07T11:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-07-07T14:52:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T14:49:00.000Z"></span>[Edit conflict]</b>Well, I'm rather critical of the quote, myself. As some people know, I'm the editor of my <a href="/wiki/Harrisburg_Area_Community_College" title="Harrisburg Area Community College">college's</a> student newspaper. And my best be damned, I try my hardest to make sure each story is NPOV. News stories are always NPOV; it's the entertainment/tech stories that are the hardest.</dd> <dd>As result, I believe that this "controversy" can be mentioned in the newsletter, reported via NPOV means. If the editors of the newsletter seem to have an issue with being able to write in an NPOV viewpoint, then they shouldn't be writing the newsletter. Besides, I don't even know which "controversy" they even mean.</dd> <dd>Additionally, I believe that whatever it is, if it's worth mentioning as an editorial note at the beginning of the newsletter, should be mentioned <i><b>here</b></i>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-07-07T14:52:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T14:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-07-07T14:52:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T14:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-07-07T14:52:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T14:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:05:00.000Z-Son-2007-07-07T14:52:00.000Z"></span>Son, please be <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">civil</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AGF">assume good faith</a>. As for writing about it, the editors conversed about this this week, and it was decided not to. It is raking into controversy over one member, which frankly doesn't warrant a section in this newsletter. I <i>really</i> don't want to disclose it even here, because it can seriously upset somebody. As I've said above, if you want to know, feel free to email me. Thanks, <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:05:00.000Z-Son-2007-07-07T14:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:05:00.000Z-Son-2007-07-07T14:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:05:00.000Z-Son-2007-07-07T14:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:24:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:05:00.000Z"></span>In that case, it probably is <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/NE2" title="Wikipedia:Requests for comment/NE2">Wikipedia:Requests for comment/NE2</a>. I wonder what's being "negotiated", since I haven't been involved in any negotiations. By the way, Son was being civil; you should not throw around accusations of incivility lightly. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:24:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:24:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-07T15:24:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:27:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-07T15:24:00.000Z"></span>Thank you for disclosing it, NE2. RFCs, according to dispute resolution, is negotiating. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:27:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-07T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:27:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-07T15:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-07T15:27:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-07T15:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott5114-2007-07-07T16:31:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span>In the future, just don't mention things if you don't intend to put them in the newsletter. "Something may be going on, but we won't tell you" - if you're not going to go into it, why mention it? —<a href="/wiki/User:Scott5114" title="User:Scott5114">Scott5114</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott5114" title="User talk:Scott5114">↗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Scott5114-2007-07-07T16:31:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott5114-2007-07-07T16:31:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott5114-2007-07-07T16:31:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-07-07T16:49:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-07T16:31:00.000Z"></span>Yes, I agree with Scott5114. There was no need to mention it at all. Also, I don't see how I was incivil. I understand AGF, but how am I supposed to assume good faith in a situation as such, when a past newsletter (Issue 005) clearly had POV in it? --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">myselfalso</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-07-07T16:49:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-07T16:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-07-07T16:49:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-07T16:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-07-07T16:49:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-07T16:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-07-07T17:52:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span>So the point has been made: "Don't tease with stuff you won't talk about." It's like <a href="/wiki/Middle_school" title="Middle school">middle school</a>: "I know a secret! But I'm not going to tell you!" I don't know about every editor, but since we're all (usually) civil, <a href="/wiki/Serial_comma" title="Serial comma">smart,</a> and mature enough to be writing about roads and creating in-depth projects about roads, we're mature enough to make the point, let it go, and move on. Thanks, <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-07-07T17:52:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-07-07T17:52:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-07-07T17:52:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-07-08T00:40:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-07-07T17:52:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, that wasn't a good idea (but I wasn't involved in this newsletter.) --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-07-08T00:40:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-07-07T17:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-07-08T00:40:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-07-07T17:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-07-08T00:40:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-07-07T17:52:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T09:39:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span>Yeah, I am not sure how a personal spat amongst a few editors is even newsworthy to begin with and I don't see where there is an controversy involved. If it doesn't affect most or all of the articles of the project, it shouldn't be mentioned in the newsletter. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T09:39:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T09:39:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T09:39:00.000Z-Shock_and_awe"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z"><span id="Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z"></span>Is there any reason to use infobox Maryland highway over infobox road?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T20:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z-Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?"></span>I decided to clean up some Maryland infoboxes, including those listed on <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads/MD" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads/MD">User:vishwin60/Roads/MD</a>. In the process, I replaced <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Maryland_highway&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox Maryland highway (page does not exist)">template:infobox Maryland highway</a> with <a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_road" title="Template:Infobox road">template:infobox road</a>. I was reverted on several articles: <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intercounty_Connector&diff=143213929&oldid=143203566">[1]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maryland_Route_97&diff=143220287&oldid=143151967">[2]</a>. Is there a reason why the Maryland template should be preferred? The only "advantage", if it can be called that, I can see with infobox Maryland highway is that you don't have to specify the state parameter - you use "infobox Maryland highway" rather than "infobox road|state=MD". On the other hand, using the state-specific templates means that whenever a new parameter, like maint, is added, it needs to be added to each of the state infoboxes before it can be used. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z-Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z-Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z-Is_there_any_reason_to_use_infobox_Maryland_highway_over_infobox_road?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z"></span>As far as I know, states like IL, MO, MA, and NH use the state infobox. This would be the same for MD, as that project was a precursor of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USRD/INNA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USRD/INNA">WP:USRD/INNA</a>, however, those guidelines <i><b>permit</b></i> the usage of state-specific routeboxes. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T08:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T18:13:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z"></span>On another note, it might be better to discuss this at the infobox subpage of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:USRD/INNA" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:USRD/INNA">WT:USRD/INNA</a>. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T18:13:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T18:13:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T18:13:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-08T19:08:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z"></span>But why should they permit changing the infobox back when no other changes are being made? This is like bypassing redirects - it adds a useless edit to the history without improving the article. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-08T19:08:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-08T19:08:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-08T19:08:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T16:47:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T19:35:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T19:08:00.000Z"></span>I've convinced the guys over at that project—ages ago, to switch to an Infobox road infrastructure. It is recommended that you use that template, as it was agreed to by consensus (<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:MDRD/EG" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:MDRD/EG">WP:MDRD/EG</a>). <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T19:35:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T19:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T19:35:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T19:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T19:35:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T19:08:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T19:35:00.000Z"></span>It's recommended that I don't help clean any more up then, as I prefer working with infobox road. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T19:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T19:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T19:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T20:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z"></span>If <i>you</i> prefer to use infobox road, please discuss it over at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MDRD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:MDRD">WT:MDRD</a>. Please note that you may upset some people. If you want to know my opinion on this, I don't have one, because I don't care. I'm just saying that that project uses their own infobox, and you should try to work with it. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T20:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:31, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T20:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-08T20:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T20:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(4)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z"><span id="Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Why does <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_94" class="mw-redirect" title="U.S. Route 94">U.S. Route 94</a> redirect to <a href="/wiki/Tamiami_Trail" title="Tamiami Trail">Tamiami Trail</a>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T14:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-4 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-4"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z-Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?"></span>I noticed this on <a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan/cleanup&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan/cleanup (page does not exist)">User:TwinsMetsFan/cleanup</a>. US 94 was directly absorbed into US 41; shouldn't it redirect there? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z-Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z-Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z-Why_does_U.S._Route_94_redirect_to_Tamiami_Trail?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T14:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z"></span>Interesting question, I think once we create the US 41 in Florida article, that would be a better redirect, but since US 94 was the southern half of the Tamiami Trail, someone would be able to find more info from that article than they would from the US 41 article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T14:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T14:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-08T14:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-08T10:38:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(5)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z"></span>Reformatting of U.S. Route articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>9 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-5 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-5"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z-Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles"></span>I rewrote <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_50" title="U.S. Route 50">U.S. Route 50</a> and added some history. Before I do it to others, can someone let me know if I did anything wrong? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z-Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z-Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z-Reformatting_of_U.S._Route_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:10:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z"></span>Also relating to this article, does anyone have a map of Utah from the early-to-mid 1970s that shows US 50 on its new alignment via Salina and I-70? Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:10:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:10:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:10:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T10:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-10T20:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T14:10:00.000Z"></span>First time I've ever seen a reference in a heading... Other than that, it looks fine. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-10T20:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T14:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-10T20:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T14:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-10T20:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T14:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T20:45:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-10T20:07:00.000Z"></span>I don't see any other way to do it, at least with inline referencing. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-10T20:45:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-10T20:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T20:45:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-10T20:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-10T20:45:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-10T20:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T20:58:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span>You are going to need to cite independent Google Map sources. This article might go to GA soon—somebody might comment on the blown-up ref number in the TOC and the heading. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">vish</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">win60</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T20:58:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T20:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T20:58:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T20:58:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T20:45:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T21:49:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T20:58:00.000Z"></span>What do you mean by "independent Google Map sources"? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-10T21:49:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T20:58:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T21:49:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T20:58:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-10T21:49:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T20:58:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T21:49:00.000Z"></span>Here's <a href="/wiki/State_Route_1002_(Lehigh_County,_Pennsylvania)" title="State Route 1002 (Lehigh County, Pennsylvania)">an example</a>. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">vish</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">win60</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T21:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T21:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T21:49:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:07:00.000Z"></span>That seems like overreferencing. I'll add to my question at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources#References_in_headings?" title="Wikipedia talk:Citing sources">Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#References in headings?</a> --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z"></span>I dunno about that. But sure, it's good to get a third opinion. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">vish</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">win60</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-10T22:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-10T22:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(6)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing" data-mw-thread-id="h-List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing-2007-07-10T14:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing-2007-07-10T14:35:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/List_of_Nevada_state_highways" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Nevada state highways">List of Nevada state highways</a> needs fixing<span data-mw-comment-end="h-List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing-2007-07-10T14:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:35:00.000Z-List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-6 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-6"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:35:00.000Z-List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing"></span>There are three columns but two headers, and many of the routes are in the wrong column. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:35:00.000Z-List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:35:00.000Z-List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-10T14:35:00.000Z-List_of_Nevada_state_highways_needs_fixing"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(7)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z"><span id="Google_Maps_for_U.S._.2F_state_route_estimates.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z"></span>Google Maps for U.S. / state route estimates?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-07-11T08:52:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>15 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-7 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-7"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span>Would Google Maps (and specifically, the new feature to re-route your directions by dragging) qualify as a valid source for listing highway lengths to the nearest .1 mile? —<a href="/wiki/User:Lpangelrob" title="User:Lpangelrob"><span style="font-variant: small-caps">Rob</span></a> <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lpangelrob" title="User talk:Lpangelrob"><span style="color:#006600; font-size:x-small;">talk</span></a><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-06-30T04:10:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z"></span>If you can't find any better source, I don't see why not. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-06-30T04:10:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-06-30T04:10:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-06-30T04:10:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:39:00.000Z-NE2-2007-06-30T04:10:00.000Z"></span>The Illinois GIS data is the best source, but after lots of crashing and burning with Quantum GIS and ArcViewer, I'm ready to do something else. For the time being. :-) —<a href="/wiki/User:Lpangelrob" title="User:Lpangelrob"><span style="font-variant: small-caps">Rob</span></a> <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lpangelrob" title="User talk:Lpangelrob"><span style="color:#006600; font-size:x-small;">talk</span></a><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:39:00.000Z-NE2-2007-06-30T04:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:39:00.000Z-NE2-2007-06-30T04:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:39:00.000Z-NE2-2007-06-30T04:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Sable232-2007-07-05T15:50:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:39:00.000Z"></span>Most state DOTs have highway maps that include lengths to the nearest .1 mile. I used those for all Minnesota articles, and I believe I found the info for both Dakotas as well. --<a href="/wiki/User:Sable232" title="User:Sable232">Sable232</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Sable232-2007-07-05T15:50:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Sable232-2007-07-05T15:50:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Sable232-2007-07-05T15:50:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-06-30T04:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-05T16:18:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span>Also, if you find any sources for lengths, be sure it is listed here <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Lengths" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Lengths">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Lengths</a>, otherwise it will get lost in the talk archives. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-05T16:18:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-05T16:18:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-05T16:18:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-05T16:48:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-05T16:18:00.000Z"></span>One source that is bound to have lengths for almost every route in the US is the <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/nhpn/">National Highway Planning Network</a> GIS data. <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://arcdata.esri.com/data/tiger2000/tiger_download.cfm">Census 2000 TIGER/Line data</a> might also help. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-05T16:48:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-05T16:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-05T16:48:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-05T16:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-05T16:48:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-05T16:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-06T07:16:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-05T16:48:00.000Z"></span>TIGER/Line data is not precise enough. When making the elevation profile on <a href="/wiki/NY_52" class="mw-redirect" title="NY 52">NY 52</a>, the mileage from the data was several miles less than the actualy length, due to curving in hilly areas. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-06T07:16:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-05T16:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-06T07:16:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-05T16:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-06T07:16:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-05T16:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T14:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T07:16:00.000Z"></span>This discussion's scope was never at or meant to be discussing elevation profiles. This was finding reliable sources for a route's length. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T14:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T07:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T14:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T07:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T14:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T07:16:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polaron-2007-07-06T14:33:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T14:29:00.000Z"></span>I think what NE2 meant was that the TIGER line data is a projection of the road length on a flat surface. If a road has extreme elevation changes, the projected length and the actual length may be off. In any case, TIGER data is still a valid source in the absence of DOT sources. --<a href="/wiki/User:Polaron" title="User:Polaron">Polaron</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polaron" title="User talk:Polaron">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Polaron-2007-07-06T14:33:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T14:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polaron-2007-07-06T14:33:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T14:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polaron-2007-07-06T14:33:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T14:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-06T15:18:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-07-06T14:33:00.000Z"></span>If you use TIGER data in hilly areas, whether due to elevation changes or due to curviness, the length will be off. This is not a valid source. It's also very annoying to deal with, since every portion of the road between two intersections is a separate element. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-06T15:18:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-07-06T14:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-06T15:18:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-07-06T14:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-06T15:18:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-07-06T14:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T16:32:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T15:18:00.000Z"></span>Does NHPN data have those same inaccuracies? <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T16:32:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T15:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T16:32:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T15:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T16:32:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T15:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-06T18:56:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T16:32:00.000Z"></span>I have no idea; I haven't looked at it. Try comparing it to a known length of a curvy road and see what you get. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-06T18:56:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T16:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-06T18:56:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T16:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-06T18:56:00.000Z-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T16:32:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-06T20:49:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span>I just took a look at the NHPN data, and, as long as you add up the "MILES" field to get the length, it should be fine. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-06T20:49:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-06T20:49:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-06T20:49:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T23:56:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T20:49:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, I just used it on <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_6N" title="U.S. Route 6N">U.S. Route 6N</a>; droz said 27 miles, where NHPN said 27.84, so it should be fine. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zel</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">zany</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T23:56:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T20:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T23:56:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T20:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-06T23:56:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-06T20:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-11T08:52:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span>The data is certainly very accurate; it gives 467.77 miles for <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_50_in_Colorado" title="U.S. Route 50 in Colorado">U.S. Route 50 in Colorado</a> while the CDOT data gives 467.58 miles - a difference of 0.04%. This difference is probably due to differences in how it's measured, particularly on ramps, but may also be because of minor errors in the NHPN data; for instance US 50 east of <a href="/wiki/Bedford,_IN" class="mw-redirect" title="Bedford, IN">Bedford, IN</a> has a duplicated length. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-11T08:52:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-11T08:52:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-11T08:52:00.000Z-Google_Maps_for_U.S._/_state_route_estimates?"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(8)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Exit_list_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-Exit_list_pages-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Exit_list_pages-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z"></span>Exit list pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Exit_list_pages-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-13T23:47:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-8 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-8"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z-Exit_list_pages"></span>I redirected <a href="/wiki/I-10_exit_list" class="mw-redirect" title="I-10 exit list">I-10 exit list</a> to <a href="/wiki/Interstate_10" title="Interstate 10">Interstate 10</a> since it was just redundant and less complete then the state specific interstate exit lists anyway. What is the opinion on this, leave as a redirect or use as a dab page linking to the exit lists on each of the state specific articles? A more appropriate title should be used such as <a href="/w/index.php?title=Interstate_10_exit_list&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Interstate 10 exit list (page does not exist)">Interstate 10 exit list</a>.--<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z-Exit_list_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z-Exit_list_pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z-Exit_list_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-13T23:47:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z"></span>According to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:SIZE" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:SIZE">article size</a>, tables do not count as part of the overall article size. What is best to do with the redundant article is just to redirect it to the national Interstate article. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishwin60&action=edit&section=new">→</a><a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">vish</span></a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Vishwin60" class="mw-redirect" title="User talk:Vishwin60"><span style="color:gray;">win60</span></a> -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:Vishwin60/Roads" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Vishwin60/Roads">new age roads</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vishwin60-2007-07-13T23:47:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-13T23:47:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vishwin60-2007-07-13T23:47:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-13T23:04:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(9)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Request_for_comments" data-mw-thread-id="h-Request_for_comments-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Request_for_comments-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z"></span>Request for comments<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Request_for_comments-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-18T05:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-9 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-9"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z-Request_for_comments"></span>Does the format of <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_66_in_Oklahoma" title="U.S. Route 66 in Oklahoma">U.S. Route 66 in Oklahoma</a> look good? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z-Request_for_comments" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z-Request_for_comments"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z-Request_for_comments"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-18T05:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z"></span>I'd normally put the route description before history, but I guess since the article is about a decommissioned route, it can go first. Other than that, everything looks fine to me. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-18T05:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-18T05:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-18T05:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-17T22:08:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(10)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id='Proper_term_for_"highway_community"?' data-mw-thread-id='h-Proper_term_for_"highway_community"?-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z'><span id="Proper_term_for_.22highway_community.22.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='h-Proper_term_for_"highway_community"?-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z'></span>Proper term for "highway community"?<span data-mw-comment-end='h-Proper_term_for_"highway_community"?-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z'></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-O-2007-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-10 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-10"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id='c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z-Proper_term_for_"highway_community"?'></span>What is the proper name (if any) for a town primarily supported by the presence of an Interstate? Moreover, is it encyclopedic? —<a href="/wiki/User:Lpangelrob" title="User:Lpangelrob"><span style="font-variant: small-caps">Rob</span></a> <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lpangelrob" title="User talk:Lpangelrob"><span style="color:#006600; font-size:x-small;">talk</span></a><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z-Proper_term_for_%22highway_community%22?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id='c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z-Proper_term_for_"highway_community"?'></span><span data-mw-comment-end='c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z-Proper_term_for_"highway_community"?'></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-14T01:29:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z"></span>"One-road town" is the closest I can come up with. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-14T01:29:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-14T01:29:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-14T01:29:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-14T01:32:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z"></span>Actually, "service-based town" seems to be used in a few scholarly papers, but I'm not sure if it's quite what you're looking for. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-14T01:32:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-14T01:32:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-14T01:32:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-11T19:10:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-14T01:32:00.000Z"></span>That's probably the best that exists. There's a few concepts in <a href="/wiki/Types_of_rural_communities" title="Types of rural communities">Types of rural communities</a>, which looks to be a never-touched article. But highway community is not among the choices. —<a href="/wiki/User:Lpangelrob" title="User:Lpangelrob"><span style="font-variant: small-caps">Rob</span></a> <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lpangelrob" title="User talk:Lpangelrob"><span style="color:#006600; font-size:x-small;">talk</span></a><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-14T01:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-14T01:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-14T01:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-O-2007-07-19T17:50:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z"></span>Perhaps there's a term called "Breezewoods", considering the I-70 stuff? <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:O&action=edit&section=new">→</a>O -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:O/Roads" title="User:O/Roads">R</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/O" title="Special:Contributions/O">L</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:O/Roads" title="User talk:O/Roads">Y?</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-O-2007-07-19T17:50:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-O-2007-07-19T17:50:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-O-2007-07-19T17:50:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-07-19T17:42:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z-O-2007-07-19T17:50:00.000Z"></span>That seems to be a roadgeek neologism like multiplex and ghost ramp. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z-O-2007-07-19T17:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z-O-2007-07-19T17:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z-O-2007-07-19T17:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-O-2007-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z"></span>Ah, right. That was just off the top of my head, which was the first thing I thought of. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:O&action=edit&section=new">→</a>O -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:O/Roads" title="User:O/Roads">R</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/O" title="Special:Contributions/O">L</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:O/Roads" title="User talk:O/Roads">Y?</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-O-2007-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-O-2007-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-O-2007-07-19T23:41:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-19T23:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(11)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"><span id="Adopt_a_highway_.28an_idea.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span>Adopt a highway (an idea)<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Scott5114-2007-07-20T09:07:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-11 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-11"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)"></span>Here's an idea that's been bouncing around my head for the past few days. We've got hundreds of articles, of course, even just counting the national systems. Our standards continue to gradually evolve, as they should, but it's difficult keeping track of who's doing what in the way of keeping articles up to spec and free of vandalism. Naturally people will want to help out on their local interstates and U.S. routes, but you really only need one person to keep on top of standards and vandalism. </p><p>So I remembered a minor thing mentioned in the template that you use when starting a brand new wikiproject: article adoption. This isn't ownership, but rather just a way of letting people volunteer to keep tabs on the article and whenever we come up with the next thing we want to apply throughout a whole project (like when we came up with the Major Cities box, which still hasn't been applied to all the Interstates yet) each person can have a number of routes (I'd say about ten would be the right number, about four primaries and six auxiliaries in one system should be a good mix) they go and fix rather than feeling they need to work through a whole bunch of routes and get exhausted and we end up missing half of them. </p><p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7/usrd-adopt&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 7/usrd-adopt (page does not exist)">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 7/usrd-adopt</a> <i>(Please ignore the image, I've got a spiffy Adopt A Highway sign I made from the SHS that we could use, but I don't want to upload it unless I know there's support for this idea. We'll move it to template space too if it goes through)</i> </p><p>The "adopt a highway" name gives the right idea: keeping the article clean and free of trash. When there's a change in standards, you have a clear focus to work on improving first, and then if you've got extra time and energy you can work on unadopted articles. I think this might help us improve the general quality of the project. The AID model is best for drastically improving single articles (it doesn't seem to be working, but that's another topic), but this will help us improve a broad range of articles quickly. Think it's a good idea? —<a href="/wiki/User:Scott5114" title="User:Scott5114">Scott5114</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott5114" title="User talk:Scott5114">↗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-19T18:31:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span>Can't hurt to try it for a while. I'd be game for participating. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-19T18:31:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-19T18:31:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-19T18:31:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-07-19T19:27:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-19T18:31:00.000Z"></span>Yeah sure. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-07-19T19:27:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-19T18:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-07-19T19:27:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-19T18:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-07-19T19:27:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-19T18:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-07-19T19:30:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span>I'm all for it! --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-07-19T19:30:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-07-19T19:30:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-07-19T19:30:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-07-19T19:34:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span>Sounds like a plan! <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-07-19T19:34:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-07-19T19:34:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-07-19T19:34:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-07-19T08:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott5114-2007-07-20T09:07:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)"></span>Now live at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Adopt-a-Highway" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Adopt-a-Highway">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Adopt-a-Highway</a>!—<a href="/wiki/User:Scott5114" title="User:Scott5114">Scott5114</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott5114" title="User talk:Scott5114">↗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Scott5114-2007-07-20T09:07:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott5114-2007-07-20T09:07:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott5114-2007-07-20T09:07:00.000Z-Adopt_a_highway_(an_idea)"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(12)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Good_article_review" data-mw-thread-id="h-Good_article_review-2007-07-20T08:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Good_article_review-2007-07-20T08:09:00.000Z"></span>Good article review<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Good_article_review-2007-07-20T08:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-07-20T08:09:00.000Z-Good_article_review">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-12 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-12"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-20T08:09:00.000Z-Good_article_review"></span>I have listed <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_40" title="U.S. Route 40">U.S. Route 40</a> on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_review#U.S._Route_40" class="mw-disambig" title="Wikipedia:Good article review">good article review</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-20T08:09:00.000Z-Good_article_review" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-20T08:09:00.000Z-Good_article_review"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-20T08:09:00.000Z-Good_article_review"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(13)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z"><span id="Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z"></span>Utah highways known as U-xx?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-07-21T14:44:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-13 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-13"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DandyDan2007-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?"></span>There is a trivia section at <a href="/wiki/List_of_Kansas_numbered_highways" class="mw-redirect" title="List of Kansas numbered highways">List of Kansas numbered highways</a> which lists this. This isn't true, is it? I would think something like this would be in the Utah highway list article. <a href="/wiki/User:DandyDan2007" title="User:DandyDan2007">DandyDan2007</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-DandyDan2007-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DandyDan2007-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DandyDan2007-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-O-2007-07-20T23:18:00.000Z-DandyDan2007-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z"></span>This isn't correct; the proper abbreviation is SR #, per <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.udot.utah.gov/download.php/tid=1348/StateRouteHistory.pdf/show=dl">this</a>. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:O&action=edit&section=new">→</a>O -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:O/Roads" title="User:O/Roads">R</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/O" title="Special:Contributions/O">L</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:O/Roads" title="User talk:O/Roads">Y?</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-O-2007-07-20T23:18:00.000Z-DandyDan2007-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-O-2007-07-20T23:18:00.000Z-DandyDan2007-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-O-2007-07-20T23:18:00.000Z-DandyDan2007-2007-07-20T22:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-DandyDan2007-2007-07-21T06:18:00.000Z-O-2007-07-20T23:18:00.000Z"></span>removed it earlier <a href="/wiki/User:DandyDan2007" title="User:DandyDan2007">DandyDan2007</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-DandyDan2007-2007-07-21T06:18:00.000Z-O-2007-07-20T23:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-DandyDan2007-2007-07-21T06:18:00.000Z-O-2007-07-20T23:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-DandyDan2007-2007-07-21T06:18:00.000Z-O-2007-07-20T23:18:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-21T14:44:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?"></span>It's one of the common ways to refer to them, though not one that UDOT uses: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&um=1&tab=wn&q=%22u-201%22+%22salt+lake&ie=UTF-8">[3]</a> --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-21T14:44:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-21T14:44:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-21T14:44:00.000Z-Utah_highways_known_as_U-xx?"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(14)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Signing_Up" data-mw-thread-id="h-Signing_Up-2007-07-22T23:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Signing_Up-2007-07-22T23:57:00.000Z"></span>Signing Up<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Signing_Up-2007-07-22T23:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-O-2007-07-22T23:57:00.000Z-Signing_Up">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-14 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-14"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-O-2007-07-22T23:57:00.000Z-Signing_Up"></span>Um, how do I sign up for the WikiProject U.S. Roads? --<a href="/wiki/User:Martin4647" title="User:Martin4647">Martin4647</a> </p> <dl><dd>Put your name in <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Participants" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Participants">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Participants</a>. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:O&action=edit&section=new">→</a>O -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:O/Roads" title="User:O/Roads">R</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/O" title="Special:Contributions/O">L</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:O/Roads" title="User talk:O/Roads">Y?</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-O-2007-07-22T23:57:00.000Z-Signing_Up" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-O-2007-07-22T23:57:00.000Z-Signing_Up"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-O-2007-07-22T23:57:00.000Z-Signing_Up"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(15)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Utah" data-mw-thread-id="h-Utah-2007-07-24T23:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Utah-2007-07-24T23:56:00.000Z"></span>Utah<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Utah-2007-07-24T23:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-07-24T23:56:00.000Z-Utah">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-15 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-15"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-24T23:56:00.000Z-Utah"></span>If anyone wants to help with Utah, whose project was "demoted" due to low activity, UDOT has put a lot of history online. The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.udot.utah.gov/download.php/tid=1348/StateRouteHistory.pdf">State Route History</a> describes most changes - though it should be noted that early dates, before the 1930s, are when the roadway was taken over by the state; it was not until the 1930s that all routes were numbered. There are also scans of documents relating to most routes, including some AASHTO correspondence, at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="http://www.udot.utah.gov/download.php/tid=1348/SR-XXX.pdf">http://www.udot.utah.gov/download.php/tid=1348/SR-XXX.pdf</a> , where XXX is the number (with zeros padding out the beginning if necessary). --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-24T23:56:00.000Z-Utah" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-24T23:56:00.000Z-Utah"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-24T23:56:00.000Z-Utah"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(16)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z"><span id="Why_does_this_exist.3F_Should_it.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z"></span>Why does this exist? Should it?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-25T17:17:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-16 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-16"> <p><a href="/wiki/Interstates_that_intersect_Interstate_80" class="mw-redirect" title="Interstates that intersect Interstate 80"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?"></span>Interstates that intersect Interstate 80</a> --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-07-25T04:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z"></span>No! <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">Delete!</a> <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-07-25T04:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-07-25T04:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-07-25T04:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T04:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-25T09:24:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-07-25T04:29:00.000Z"></span>If we decide it's bad, we can just redirect to I-80. There's no need to delete. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-25T09:24:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-07-25T04:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-25T09:24:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-07-25T04:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-25T09:24:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-07-25T04:29:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?"></span>This explains many issues I have with putting the "Intersections with other interstates" section in articles. So what? That's what the Infobox is used for and I personally could give a rip about what interstates cross each other - there's no "Intersection with other U.S. Routes" in the US route articles, nor has anyone seen this in state routes or other countries' routes. Its a list inside an article. editors keep adding to it - and it balloons. I agree with NE2 and MPD. but merging is going to cause more problems than deleting. If having the intersection list is so important, separate into state specific articles and build an exit list. <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z-Why_does_this_exist?_Should_it?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-O-2007-07-25T15:36:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z"></span>Agreed with all. I'll be redirecting it after I finish posting this. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:O&action=edit&section=new">→</a>O -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:O/Roads" title="User:O/Roads">R</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/O" title="Special:Contributions/O">L</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:O/Roads" title="User talk:O/Roads">Y?</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-O-2007-07-25T15:36:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-O-2007-07-25T15:36:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-O-2007-07-25T15:36:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-25T17:17:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z"></span>It used to be part of the main I-80 article. This <i>could've</i> been useful in a parallel universe of some sort, but I moved it to that article because it certainly didn't belong in the main I-80 article. —<a href="/wiki/User:Lpangelrob" title="User:Lpangelrob"><span style="font-variant: small-caps">Rob</span></a> <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lpangelrob" title="User talk:Lpangelrob"><span style="color:#006600; font-size:x-small;">talk</span></a><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-25T17:17:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-25T17:17:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lpangelrob-2007-07-25T17:17:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-07-25T13:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(17)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Copyright_status_of_images" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright_status_of_images-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyright_status_of_images-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"></span>Copyright status of images<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyright_status_of_images-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Holderca1-2007-07-27T18:12:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-17 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-17"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Copyright_status_of_images"></span>See this disussion for more info: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#To_throw_it_out_there.2C_road_signs" title="Wikipedia talk:Non-free content">Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#To_throw_it_out_there.2C_road_signs</a> </p><p>I think the best remedy here is to start contacting the toll road authorities and ask the status of these shields, if they are public domain, if not, can we have permission to use them as we have been, etc... --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Copyright_status_of_images" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Copyright_status_of_images"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z-Copyright_status_of_images"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-27T18:12:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"></span>Started page here to keep track of them: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Shields/Database/toll_roads" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields/Database/toll roads">Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Shields/Database/toll_roads</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-27T18:12:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-27T18:12:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-27T18:12:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-24T16:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(18)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Deletion_discussion_2" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_discussion_2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_discussion_2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z"></span>Deletion discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_discussion_2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Scott5114-2007-07-28T09:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-18 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-18"> <p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pennsylvania_Route_39_(1920s)" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 39 (1920s)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion_2"></span>Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 39 (1920s)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion_2" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion_2"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z-Deletion_discussion_2"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott5114-2007-07-28T09:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z"></span>Also: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_long-distance_mileage_signs_in_the_United_States" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of long-distance mileage signs in the United States">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of long-distance mileage signs in the United States</a>. —<a href="/wiki/User:Scott5114" title="User:Scott5114">Scott5114</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott5114" title="User talk:Scott5114">↗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Scott5114-2007-07-28T09:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott5114-2007-07-28T09:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott5114-2007-07-28T09:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-25T05:11:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(19)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Details_on_the_National_Highway_System" data-mw-thread-id="h-Details_on_the_National_Highway_System-2007-07-31T01:35:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Details_on_the_National_Highway_System-2007-07-31T01:35:00.000Z"></span>Details on the National Highway System<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Details_on_the_National_Highway_System-2007-07-31T01:35:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-07-31T01:35:00.000Z-Details_on_the_National_Highway_System">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-19 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-19"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-31T01:35:00.000Z-Details_on_the_National_Highway_System"></span>I am looking for an up-to-date list of NHS roadways. <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/hep10/nhs/maps/va/washington_va.pdf">[4]</a> shows that the <a href="/wiki/Fairfax_County_Parkway" title="Fairfax County Parkway">Fairfax County Parkway</a> north of US 29 is not part of the NHS, but this doesn't make sense, and the map is outdated (for instance it shows the SR 234 bypass of Manassas as unbuilt). --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-31T01:35:00.000Z-Details_on_the_National_Highway_System" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-31T01:35:00.000Z-Details_on_the_National_Highway_System"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-31T01:35:00.000Z-Details_on_the_National_Highway_System"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(20)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Interstate_completion_list" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interstate_completion_list-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Interstate_completion_list-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z"></span>Interstate completion list<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Interstate_completion_list-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-01T23:38:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>9 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-20 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-20"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span>I made <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Interstate_Highways/Completion_list" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Interstate Highways/Completion list">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Interstate Highways/Completion list</a>. If you make a state-detail article, please find it in the list (what links here is useful for getting to the list) and make sure all the redirects point correctly. I also made a list on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Interstate_Highways/Completion_list" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Interstate Highways/Completion list">Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Interstate Highways/Completion list</a> of ones that redirect to the main page but could be separate; there's also the issue of I-90 in Ohio and New York, which should not be redirects. Please do not make any redirects to the main article like this, unless it's a single-state Interstate or we can agree that it's short enough. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:57, 29 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z"></span>What is the consensus on having articles such as <a href="/wiki/Interstate_44_in_Texas" title="Interstate 44 in Texas">Interstate 44 in Texas</a> or <a href="/wiki/Interstate_15_in_Arizona" title="Interstate 15 in Arizona">Interstate 15 in Arizona</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-07-29T20:57:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-07-31T02:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z"></span>General consensus is to write an article if an article can be written. I'm not sure about I-44 in Texas, but I-15 in Arizona has won awards for its scenic nature through the Virgin River Gorge. If very little can be written about a short section, the alternative is something like <a href="/wiki/Interstate_59_in_Louisiana_and_Mississippi" class="mw-redirect" title="Interstate 59 in Louisiana and Mississippi">Interstate 59 in Louisiana and Mississippi</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-07-31T02:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-07-31T02:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-07-31T02:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-31T04:08:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z"></span>I wouldn't endorse the creation of either article. The segments are too short to merit their own article, especially based on the information currently present about the segments in the "main" articles. We don't need more lousy state-detail articles; at least, not until the main articles are complete and fleshed out. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-31T04:08:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-31T04:08:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-07-31T04:08:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T02:12:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-31T14:51:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span>Created a template, <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:R_from_highway" title="Template:R from highway">R from highway</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to help manage the redirects. Just place it on the redirect page that has the possibility of becoming a separate article. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-07-31T14:51:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-07-31T14:51:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-07-31T14:51:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:35:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T14:51:00.000Z"></span>I'm not sure I like the idea. It has good intentions, but I personally fear that the template could be overused and placed on redirects that should never be turned into an article, at least not in the foreseeable future. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:35:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T14:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:35:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T14:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:35:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-07-31T14:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:56:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:35:00.000Z"></span>How about this: only add it to articles of the exact form "route in state" where that route does go through more than one state. Maybe two similar categories can be used - one when it fits those conditions, but we agree it should not ever be a separate article, like the two states of <a href="/wiki/Interstate_155_(Missouri-Tennessee)" class="mw-redirect" title="Interstate 155 (Missouri-Tennessee)">Interstate 155 (Missouri-Tennessee)</a> or <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_611" class="mw-redirect" title="U.S. Route 611">U.S. Route 611</a>, and another for most cases, where it could be a reasonable article. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:56:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:56:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:56:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T06:37:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:56:00.000Z"></span>I agree with most of that, up to the "most cases". Consider an example: <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_219_in_West_Virginia" title="U.S. Route 219 in West Virginia">U.S. Route 219 in West Virginia</a>. Could a separate article be made potentially? Yes, and I don't think most editors would have an issue with its existence. But should it exist <i>right now</i>, with the West Virginia section on <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_219" title="U.S. Route 219">U.S. Route 219</a> in its current state? Absolutely not. So what I'm saying is that this template may tempt editors to create a state-detail article prematurely, before the "main" article is ready for such detail article to be made, if it is to be made at all. Note this is only for the "most cases"; I agree 100% with the two examples you gave that should never be state-detail articles. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T06:37:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T06:37:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T06:37:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T23:38:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span>I created <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_highway_in_region" title="Category:Redirects from highway in region">Category:Redirects from highway in region</a> and <a href="/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_highway_in_region_without_possibilities" title="Category:Redirects from highway in region without possibilities">Category:Redirects from highway in region without possibilities</a> and categorized the existing redirects. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T23:38:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T23:38:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T23:38:00.000Z-Interstate_completion_list"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(21)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="More_county_road_joy" data-mw-thread-id="h-More_county_road_joy-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-More_county_road_joy-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"></span>More county road joy<span data-mw-comment-end="h-More_county_road_joy-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-02T03:06:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-21 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-21"> <p><a href="/wiki/Clark_County_Route_215" class="mw-redirect" title="Clark County Route 215"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z-More_county_road_joy"></span>Clark County Route 215</a> appears to be a cut-and-paste copy of <a href="/wiki/Interstate_215_(Nevada)" class="mw-redirect" title="Interstate 215 (Nevada)">Interstate 215</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Washoe_County_Route_447&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Washoe County Route 447 (page does not exist)">Washoe County Route 447</a> has nothing more than an infobox. To me, it looks like any article on Clark CR 215 should be part of I-215 and I fail to see how Washoe CR 447 is notable enough for an article. <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Template:Cleanup-nvcr&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Template:Cleanup-nvcr (page does not exist)">Template:Template:Cleanup-nvcr</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Nevada-State-County-Highway-stub&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Nevada-State-County-Highway-stub (page does not exist)">Template:Nevada-State-County-Highway-stub</a> also seem unneeded. Also see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nevada_State_County_Routes" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Nevada State County Routes">Wikipedia:WikiProject Nevada State County Routes</a>. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z-More_county_road_joy" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z-More_county_road_joy"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z-More_county_road_joy"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:41:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"></span>I redirected CC 215. It's not even clear that CR 447 exists; it should probably redirect to SR 447 either way, and then the SR 447 article can talk about the road, which it appears was to become part of SR 447 in the 1976 renumbering (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.nevadadot.com/traveler/maps/historical/pdfs/1980-1981HwyMapDuplexWeb.pdf">[5]</a>) but did not actually become it (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.nevadadot.com/traveler/maps/historical/pdfs/1982HwyMapDuplexWeb.pdf">[6]</a>). --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:41:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:41:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:41:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:48:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"></span>He seems to be <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Queer_theory&diff=prev&oldid=148432773">a bit vandalistic</a>, though we should certainly assume good faith on his highway edits, which look pretty solid though "noobish". --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:48:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:48:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:48:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T05:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:48:00.000Z"></span>I thing he is simply a new user trying to fill in articles that are missing. Redirects appear to be the right solution. <a href="/wiki/User:Vegaswikian" title="User:Vegaswikian">Vegaswikian</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:41:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z"></span>The user reverted the CC 215 redirect, and seems insistent on pushing his ill-advised project. I wonder where inexperience stops and intentionally spotty editing begins... --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:41:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:41:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:41:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z"></span>Also see <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clark_County_Route_215&action=history">[7]</a>. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T06:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-02T03:06:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z"></span>And <a href="/w/index.php?title=Interstate_215/Clark_County_215&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Interstate 215/Clark County 215 (page does not exist)">Interstate 215/Clark County 215</a>. This was a redirect from I-215 (Nevada). I added a waning to the user page and reverted the redirect. Can <a href="/w/index.php?title=Interstate_215/Clark_County_215&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Interstate 215/Clark County 215 (page does not exist)">Interstate 215/Clark County 215</a> be speedy deleted? <a href="/wiki/User:Vegaswikian" title="User:Vegaswikian">Vegaswikian</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-02T03:06:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-02T03:06:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-02T03:06:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T18:41:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(22)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User:Fingers-of-Pyrex" title="User:Fingers-of-Pyrex">Fingers-of-Pyrex</a> is at it again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:22:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-22 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-22"> <p><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tennessee_State_Route_331&diff=prev&oldid=147371629"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z-Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again"></span>[8]</a>, <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tennessee_State_Route_61&diff=next&oldid=148407260">[9]</a>. I'd be willing to sign the RFC now; if the other person who signed requests undeletion and re-signs it, or starts a new one with the same text, it should work. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z-Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z-Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z-Fingers-of-Pyrex_is_at_it_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z"></span>Go ahead and put my name on it if needed. Point to this diff, which explicitly gives my permission for them to do so. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T05:52:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:22:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z"></span>I undeleted, could someone fix it? --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:22:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:22:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:22:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(23)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="A_new_WikiProject" data-mw-thread-id="h-A_new_WikiProject-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-A_new_WikiProject-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span>A new WikiProject<span data-mw-comment-end="h-A_new_WikiProject-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-23 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-23"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z-A_new_WikiProject"></span>We've had another WikiProject created, this time for Nevada State County Routes. Woo hoo! <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nevada_State_County_Routes" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Nevada State County Routes">Wikipedia:WikiProject Nevada State County Routes</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z-A_new_WikiProject" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z-A_new_WikiProject"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z-A_new_WikiProject"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span>I touched on that above. I think its existence is a bad thing - the last thing we need are more non-notable county road articles. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-01T18:24:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z"></span>The project has been tagged for <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Subprojects#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nevada_State_County_Routes" title="Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Subprojects">demotion</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-01T18:24:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-01T18:24:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-01T18:24:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T18:49:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-01T18:24:00.000Z"></span>How 'bout merge with the State route task force... (as explained elsewhere) <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-01T18:49:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-01T18:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T18:49:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-01T18:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T18:49:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-01T18:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T19:03:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-01T18:49:00.000Z"></span>Given that there is a ton of work left on the state routes, I don't see the harm in a merger. Not many editors are doing much on the Nevada roads. So a single project to cover both would be reasonable, no sense to split a small team of editors. I know I have not been doing much, but I'm not sure anyone has on Nevada roads. I think it is reasonable for the State projects to include county roads, but concentrate on the state roads until they are in good shape. <a href="/wiki/User:Vegaswikian" title="User:Vegaswikian">Vegaswikian</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T19:03:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-01T18:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T19:03:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-01T18:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-01T19:03:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-01T18:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Project should be trashed. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-01T20:19:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-01T17:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(24)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Issue_with_WP:USSH" data-mw-thread-id="h-Issue_with_WP:USSH-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Issue_with_WP:USSH-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"></span>Issue with <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USSH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USSH">WP:USSH</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Issue_with_WP:USSH-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-O-2007-08-03T03:46:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>11 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-24 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-24"> <p><a href="/wiki/User:Neutralhomer" title="User:Neutralhomer"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z-Issue_with_WP:USSH"></span>Neutralhomer</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Neutralhomer" title="User talk:Neutralhomer">talk</a> <b>·</b> <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Neutralhomer" title="Special:Contributions/Neutralhomer">contribs</a>) is misreading it with respect to <a href="/wiki/Stephens_City,_Virginia" title="Stephens City, Virginia">Stephens City, Virginia</a>; is it possible that it's unclear? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z-Issue_with_WP:USSH" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z-Issue_with_WP:USSH"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z-Issue_with_WP:USSH"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T04:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"></span>Hard for me to understand what's being said here, I can see that the article has multiple links to one article and everything spelt out, but from what I interpret the convention's being followed. (NOTE: I think any restate of <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_11" title="U.S. Route 11">U.S. Route 11</a> could be shortened to US 11 or similar.) <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-01T04:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T04:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T04:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-01T04:09:00.000Z"></span>Followed by who? Neutralhomer is changing the text back to "Virginia State Route 277" and "VA State Route 277". --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-01T04:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-01T04:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-01T04:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T13:32:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Thanks for clarifying - what he did was wrong - so a misread did happen. <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-01T13:32:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T13:32:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-01T13:32:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-01T04:20:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span>Any restate of anything could be shortened (SR 277, VA 277, US 11, etc, whatever, just stay consistent with abbreviations). I'm understood that if not abbreviated, short names should be State Route X, but that's not to say that Virginia State Route X isn't ok. VA State Route X, IMO, isn't acceptable. It <i>is</i> possible there is a misread. Where's our list of acceptable non-formal versions, and what to write in links? There's one somewhere. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-01T04:20:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-01T04:20:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-01T04:20:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:24:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-01T04:20:00.000Z"></span>"Virginia State Route X" is not OK; see <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USSH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USSH">WP:USSH</a>. This is the long name; the short name is "SR X". By the way, you'll have to look back a few edits for his version; his latest edit was to bypass the redirects but keep the text, which is not actively bad, only useless. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:24:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-01T04:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:24:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-01T04:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:24:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-01T04:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"></span>The key sentence to me is <i>The official name is to be used when writing about the road in an article; only use the article title in another article if the sentence would otherwise be ambiguous.</i> If "Virginia" is being displayed, that's clearly against the guideline as the "official name" does not include it. What was the state of the link before this back and forth started? That should be restored whether it was a direct or a redirect for compliance with WP:REDIRECT. --<a href="/wiki/User:Polaron" title="User:Polaron">Polaron</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polaron" title="User talk:Polaron">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:29:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T03:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:35:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:29:00.000Z"></span>Whether or not it was a direct link shouldn't matter; it's easier to delete the Virginia and add it to the end in parentheses than to add the whole part after the pipe. (In this particular case, I used <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AWB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AWB">AWB</a>, but the idea is the same.) --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:35:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:35:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:35:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:35:00.000Z"></span>True and I agree with you here. But some people seem to <i>really hate</i> redirects. This was one of the arguments for not putting the state name in front for article titles for highways in certain states, but it's best not to re-open this SRNC related stuff again. The current solution in the Stephens City article is not ideal but acceptable. --<a href="/wiki/User:Polaron" title="User:Polaron">Polaron</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polaron" title="User talk:Polaron">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:40:00.000Z"></span>Yeah, the current state is acceptable to me; when this had started, Neutralhomer was placing the status of the link ahead of that of the text. Maybe we should make it clear in the guideline that what matters most is how it's read, and maybe also put this before the long table? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-01T04:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-O-2007-08-03T03:46:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z"></span>Go ahead and add all this to avoid confusion and heated debate. <span class="comment plainlinks">(<span class="autocomment"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:O&action=edit&section=new">→</a>O -</span> <a href="/wiki/User:O/Roads" title="User:O/Roads">R</a><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/O" title="Special:Contributions/O">L</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:O/Roads" title="User talk:O/Roads">Y?</a>)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-O-2007-08-03T03:46:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-O-2007-08-03T03:46:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-O-2007-08-03T03:46:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-01T04:42:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(25)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Stub_template_discussion" data-mw-thread-id="h-Stub_template_discussion-2007-08-01T14:50:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Stub_template_discussion-2007-08-01T14:50:00.000Z"></span>Stub template discussion<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Stub_template_discussion-2007-08-01T14:50:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:56:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-25 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-25"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-01T14:50:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion"></span>Check this out. See <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2007/August#US_Roads" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2007/August">Stub Sorting/Proposals</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-01T14:50:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-01T14:50:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-01T14:50:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:56:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion"></span>There's also a massive renaming proposal regarding existing stubs at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WSS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WSS">WP:WSS</a>. Link is in the <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Project_U.S._Roads&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Project U.S. Roads (page does not exist)">Project U.S. Roads</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> template. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:56:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:56:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:56:00.000Z-Stub_template_discussion"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(26)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Potential_neologism" data-mw-thread-id="h-Potential_neologism-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Potential_neologism-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span>Potential neologism<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Potential_neologism-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T13:52:00.000Z-Potential_neologism">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-26 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-26"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span>As if there isn't enough things going on, I found an article that's likely a neologism: <a href="/wiki/Hidden_route" class="mw-redirect" title="Hidden route">Hidden route</a>. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z-Potential_neologism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-04T00:52:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span>It should be moved to <b>Unsigned route</b> or something of the like. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-04T00:52:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-04T00:52:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-04T00:52:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T00:33:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-04T02:03:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span>I would support a move to unsigned route. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-04T02:03:00.000Z-Potential_neologism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-04T02:03:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-04T02:03:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-04T02:15:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-04T02:03:00.000Z"></span>Also, that article is a good idea, but needs to be rewritten. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-04T02:15:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-04T02:03:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-04T02:15:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-04T02:03:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-04T02:15:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-04T02:03:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T13:52:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span>I went ahead and made the move. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T13:52:00.000Z-Potential_neologism" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T13:52:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T13:52:00.000Z-Potential_neologism"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(27)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages" data-mw-thread-id="h-WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z"></span>WikiProject Tags on the Talk pages of Disambiguation pages<span data-mw-comment-end="h-WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Son-2007-08-04T23:14:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-27 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-27"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z-WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages"></span>Do we need to remove these from all Dab pages? such as done <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMinnesota_State_Highway_62&diff=149121087&oldid=143996006">here</a>? if so - I'm curious as to the rationale. In this case it still contained links to US Road subject articles. Thoughts? <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z-WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z-WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z-WikiProject_Tags_on_the_Talk_pages_of_Disambiguation_pages"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-04T23:14:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z"></span>No, I don't think so. It's still part of the WikiProject, even if it is just a disambiguation page. I'd like to know the rationale for removal also. --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-04T23:14:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-04T23:14:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-04T23:14:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-04T20:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(28)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Cleanup_templates,_again" data-mw-thread-id="h-Cleanup_templates,_again-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"><span id="Cleanup_templates.2C_again"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Cleanup_templates,_again-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"></span>Cleanup templates, again<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Cleanup_templates,_again-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Scott5114-2007-08-06T06:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>15 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-28 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-28"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span>Earlier tonight, <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">User:Bkonrad</a> removed <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cleanup-ush&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cleanup-ush (page does not exist)">cleanup-ush</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> from <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_131" title="U.S. Route 131">U.S. Route 131</a>, calling it "project clutter". After a <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad#Cleanup_tags" title="User talk:Bkonrad">discussion</a>, I was unable to reach a compromise. So, now that the cleanup tags have surfaced as an issue once more, what's the next step? One idea I got was to genericize and consolidate the road cleanup templates into a single <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Cleanup-road&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Cleanup-road (page does not exist)">cleanup-road</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>, but I'd rather not do this unless necessary. Any thoughts? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Bkonrad-2007-08-03T03:52:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"></span>Why not add a parameter to the banner for the talk page? Such a tag can categorize the pages for easy identification by cleanup crews. I mean, what is the purpose of such tags? If the primary persons working on them are associated with the project, then they can find them and track them through the project banner mechanisms. If the articles are in such dire need of cleanup that an "in-your-face" caution to the reader is necessary, then a more generic (non-project specific) tag is appropriate. <a href="/wiki/User:Bkonrad" title="User:Bkonrad">older</a> ≠ <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Bkonrad" title="User talk:Bkonrad">wiser</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Bkonrad-2007-08-03T03:52:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Bkonrad-2007-08-03T03:52:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Bkonrad-2007-08-03T03:52:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-03T03:59:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"></span>USRD is the only project that has a heavy stock of cleanup templates. Yes they are good for categorizing shoddy articles, but some of the points that Bkonrad mentioned were valid points - he sees a cleanup template as something that be placed on very poorly written article - grammar wise. (see his discussion (linked above in TMF's comment) The same point holds for many of the cleanup templates. I am all for having the cleanup template(s), but they need to be used properly. My proposal: <ul><li>genericize the template - and put guidelines for when to use it - is the article really awful? or does it simply have a policy issue? Policy issues seem to be the norm for such things here - but this seems to be not what the template is really for.</li> <li>As for sorting - could we have a paramter and a list of valid categories (those that exist now) to put one of into that parameter. Rationale does need to go to the talk page.</li> <li>Move rationale to the talk page. <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-03T03:59:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-03T03:59:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-03T03:59:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T03:41:00.000Z"></span></li></ul> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T04:10:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-03T03:59:00.000Z"></span>If policy issues are eliminated, that all but eliminates the need and usefulness of the templates in my eyes. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T04:10:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-03T03:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T04:10:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-03T03:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-03T04:10:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-03T03:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span>How about we just keep as is and move to the talk page? I am all for a simple solution to a simple problem. Shouldn't make any more difficult to find the articles, it will just be their talk pages listed in the cat rather than the article itself. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T21:07:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span>If we do that, we're probably better off incorporating the cleanup flag into the WP templates as an "attention=" parameter or something along those lines, like what <a href="/wiki/Template:WikiProject_New_York" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:WikiProject New York">Template:WikiProject New York</a> has. Then, if anyone is confused as to why it is flagged, then they can ask. I'd rather not move the cleanup templates themselves onto the talk, as there are a lot of people who complain when a talk page is filled with boilerplate messages. So my preference, if we have to go this route, would be to incorporate the attention into the WP templates and delete the existing cleanup templates. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T21:07:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T21:07:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-04T21:07:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-04T21:57:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span>If the purpose of this is to categorize then I'm all for this. Probably the better solution <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-04T21:57:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-04T21:57:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-04T21:57:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-04T23:10:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span>Support</b>. This is the way to go. --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-04T23:10:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-04T23:10:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-04T23:10:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-04T20:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T00:55:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-04T23:10:00.000Z"></span>I'll begin coding the attention parameter into the templates as part of a planned upgrade to all of the templates that will fix a bug introduced with the List-Class last night. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T00:55:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-04T23:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T00:55:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-04T23:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T00:55:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-04T23:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T07:29:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T00:55:00.000Z"></span>Coding has been completed and all articles have been converted from cleanup tags to a talk-page based system. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T07:29:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T00:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T07:29:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T00:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T07:29:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T00:55:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-05T15:57:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T07:29:00.000Z"></span>Aaahhh, not sure if this is happening everywhere, but on the few that I have looked at, the cleanup tag has been removed and the parameter added on the talk page, but nothing on the talk page about what needs cleaned up. When making the change, make sure to preserve what needs fixed or else it is worthless in my opinion. How am I to guess and figure out what exactly is wrong with the article? --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-05T15:57:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T07:29:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-05T15:57:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T07:29:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-05T15:57:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T07:29:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-05T16:00:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-05T15:57:00.000Z"></span>Errr, nevermind, didn't see it in the todo, my apologies. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-05T16:00:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-05T15:57:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-05T16:00:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-05T15:57:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-05T16:00:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-05T15:57:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott5114-2007-08-05T18:10:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span>How dire a condition does the article need to be for it to be flagged as needing attention? <a href="/wiki/Interstate_8" title="Interstate 8">Interstate 8</a> is a pretty sorry article by any standard, but it's good as far as copyediting, wikification, and that sort of thing. I'm just concerned that we might end up flagging so much it means nothing. (Like those yellow signs in Pennsylvania that we love to make fun of.) —<a href="/wiki/User:Scott5114" title="User:Scott5114">Scott5114</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott5114" title="User talk:Scott5114">↗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Scott5114-2007-08-05T18:10:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott5114-2007-08-05T18:10:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott5114-2007-08-05T18:10:00.000Z-Cleanup_templates,_again"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-05T18:10:00.000Z"></span>I'd say it'd have to be violating standards or have a weird exit list, something along those lines. I wouldn't flag I-8 myself. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-05T18:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-05T18:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-05T18:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott5114-2007-08-06T06:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z"></span>How about a <a href="/wiki/Interstate_4#History" title="Interstate 4">history composed of bullet points</a>? (I went ahead and flagged this one.) —<a href="/wiki/User:Scott5114" title="User:Scott5114">Scott5114</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott5114" title="User talk:Scott5114">↗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Scott5114-2007-08-06T06:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott5114-2007-08-06T06:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott5114-2007-08-06T06:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-05T19:39:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(29)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates" data-mw-thread-id="h-TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates-2007-08-05T16:47:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates-2007-08-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span>TfD nomination of All USRD Clean-up Templates<span data-mw-comment-end="h-TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates-2007-08-05T16:47:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Master_son-2007-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-29 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-29"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates"></span>All of the USRD Clean-up Templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_August_5#USRD_clean-up_templates" title="Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 August 5">the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-05T16:47:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_All_USRD_Clean-up_Templates"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(30)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="New_article_feed" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_article_feed-2007-08-11T00:16:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_article_feed-2007-08-11T00:16:00.000Z"></span>New article feed<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_article_feed-2007-08-11T00:16:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:16:00.000Z-New_article_feed">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-30 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-30"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:16:00.000Z-New_article_feed"></span>I started <a href="/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot" title="User:AlexNewArtBot">User:AlexNewArtBot</a> on a feed of new articles that might be U.S. road related. As you can see from <a href="/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/USRoadsSearchResult" title="User:AlexNewArtBot/USRoadsSearchResult">its first results</a>, it does a decent job but the rules could use improvement. You can check the <a href="/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/USRoadsLog" title="User:AlexNewArtBot/USRoadsLog">log</a> and try to improve the <a href="/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/USRoads" title="User:AlexNewArtBot/USRoads">rules</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:16:00.000Z-New_article_feed" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:16:00.000Z-New_article_feed"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:16:00.000Z-New_article_feed"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(31)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Foster_County_CR_1605" data-mw-thread-id="h-Foster_County_CR_1605-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Foster_County_CR_1605-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Foster_County_CR_1605" class="mw-redirect" title="Foster County CR 1605">Foster County CR 1605</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Foster_County_CR_1605-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-31 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-31"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z-Foster_County_CR_1605"></span>This article was just created. I was going to take it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AFD" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AFD">AFD</a>, since <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=6th+St+SE+%4047.326820,+-99.143600&daddr=66th+Ave+NE+%4047.507230,+-99.138480+to:47.522533,-99.137878+to:12th+St+NE+%4047.587820,+-99.138180&mrcr=1,2&mrsp=2&sz=12&mra=dpe&sll=47.531343,-99.158478&sspn=0.161338,0.361176&ie=UTF8&ll=47.462915,-99.080887&spn=0.323096,0.722351&z=11&om=0">the road</a> doesn't look any different from any other road, but saw that the part north of Carrington (which is not mentioned in the article) was once part of ND 4 (now US 281), ND 9, and some auto trails: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.broermapsonline.org/members/NorthAmerica/UnitedStates/NorthCentral/NorthDakota/unitedstates1926ra_041.html">[10]</a> I don't think this is enough to keep the article, but it might be a reasonable redirect to US 281, so I decided to take it here for a second opinion. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z-Foster_County_CR_1605" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z-Foster_County_CR_1605"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z-Foster_County_CR_1605"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MatthewUND-2007-08-11T23:08:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span>As a member of <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WPND" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WPND">WikiProject North Dakota</a>, I agree that having articles for county roads is really not the direction we should be going. I would say either delete or turn into a redirect. --<a href="/wiki/User:MatthewUND" title="User:MatthewUND">Matthew<span style="color:green;"><b>UND</b></span></a><sup>(<a href="/wiki/User_talk:MatthewUND" title="User talk:MatthewUND">talk</a>)</sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MatthewUND-2007-08-11T23:08:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MatthewUND-2007-08-11T23:08:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MatthewUND-2007-08-11T23:08:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T03:13:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span>Redirect to US 281, then I guess the road could be mentioned in the route description as an alternate route through Carrington, or something like that. Regardless, I agree with the essence of the point, that this road isn't deserving of a standalone article. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T03:13:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T03:13:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T03:13:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-12T03:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span>I redirected, but it probably won't stick. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-12T03:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-12T03:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-12T03:49:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T11:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T03:49:00.000Z"></span>I was right; it's been undone. Can somebody assist? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T03:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T03:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T03:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z"></span>Done. I think if it's reverted again, the next stop would be AfD. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-12T05:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(32)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Wyoming_state_highway" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wyoming_state_highway-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wyoming_state_highway-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span>Wyoming state highway<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wyoming_state_highway-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T01:28:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-32 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-32"> <p><a href="/wiki/Moose-Wilson_Road" class="mw-redirect" title="Moose-Wilson Road"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z-Wyoming_state_highway"></span>Moose-Wilson Road</a>, created today, is an article about a road in northwestern Wyoming. According to the article, half of it is in Grand Teton National Park, and half is not; the park's section is unsigned, while the outofpark section is Wyoming Highway 390 (<a href="/wiki/Wyoming_Highway_390" class="mw-redirect" title="Wyoming Highway 390">Wyoming Highway 390</a> is a newly-created redirect). It seems to me that Moose-Wilson Road would not be notable, aside from the state highway, which is inherently notable, and that therefore Moose-Wilson Road should be a redirect to Wyoming Highway 390. What do all of you think on this matter? <a href="/wiki/User:Nyttend" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z-Wyoming_state_highway" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z-Wyoming_state_highway"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z-Wyoming_state_highway"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-12T05:10:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span>I think it makes more sense the way it is, with WYO 390 redirecting, since not all of the road is WYO 390. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-12T05:10:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-12T05:10:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-12T05:10:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:18:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span>Agreed with NE2 for the same reasoning. Making Moose-Wilson Road a redirect to WYO 390 implies that M-W Road is either a single part of WYO 390 or WYO 390 along its entire length; neither is true. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:18:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:18:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T05:18:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T05:50:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span>I wrote the article. I happened to be updating an article that is related to the road, and I thought that as long as I was in the neighborhood, I would go ahead and create the article for the road itself. I started writing it for the <a href="/wiki/Wyoming_Highway_390" class="mw-redirect" title="Wyoming Highway 390">Wyoming Highway 390</a> page, but when I got done with that, I thought it felt better to rewrite it as <a href="/wiki/Moose-Wilson_Road" class="mw-redirect" title="Moose-Wilson Road">Moose-Wilson Road</a> to take into account the part that is in the park, and make the full connection between Moose and Wilson. I will also note that the name for the <a href="/wiki/Census_designated_place" class="mw-redirect" title="Census designated place">census designated place</a> located along highway 390 is indeed <a href="/wiki/Moose_Wilson_Road,_Wyoming" title="Moose Wilson Road, Wyoming">Moose Wilson Road, Wyoming</a>, so the name itself has a little bit notability then just a local nickname. So to be honest with you, it was just a judgment call; the way it is felt right to me, but I wouldn't be upset if it got switched. Thanks. <a href="/wiki/User:CosmicPenguin" title="User:CosmicPenguin">CosmicPenguin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CosmicPenguin" title="User talk:CosmicPenguin">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T05:50:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T05:50:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T05:50:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T04:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Nyttend-2007-08-12T14:10:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T05:50:00.000Z"></span>I guess the thing I'm curious about is this: is the road inherently notable? Of course, state highways are inherently notable, but as this road is halfway not state highway, it just seems to me that only part is notable, and that for being WY390. But whatever all of you decide :-) <a href="/wiki/User:Nyttend" title="User:Nyttend">Nyttend</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Nyttend-2007-08-12T14:10:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T05:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Nyttend-2007-08-12T14:10:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T05:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Nyttend-2007-08-12T14:10:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T05:50:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T14:10:00.000Z"></span>I think thats the million dollar question. I'm not sure if <i>any</i> national park roads are signed - I know that the ones in the two Wyoming parks are not, and most of the Wikipedia articles for the major roads going in and out of <a href="/wiki/Yellowstone_National_Park" title="Yellowstone National Park">Yellowstone National Park</a> mention that fact (<a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_89" title="U.S. Route 89">U.S. Route 89</a> and <a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_20" title="U.S. Route 20">U.S. Route 20</a> are notable examples). So do park roads lack notability simply because the park service chooses not to sign them or do they have to "earn" their notability? Maybe so - there are a lot of smart people in the US. Roads WikiProject that are better suited to answer that question. But could this road "earn" its notability if it had to? Thats a good question. We know that the trail / road existed prior to the creation of the national park, but I don't know if it extended all the way to Wilson or not. It served as the access road to JY Ranch, which was owned by <a href="/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller,_Jr." class="mw-redirect" title="John D. Rockefeller, Jr.">John D. Rockefeller, Jr.</a>, and one of the only parcels of land that he didn't transfer to the government to create <a href="/wiki/Grand_Teton_National_Park" title="Grand Teton National Park">Grand Teton National Park</a> (though the ranch was recently gifted to the government by his son (<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issues/2007/june/teton.php">[11]</a>). There are a few popular trailheads accessible from the road, and it is a local favorite for being a shortcut from Wilson to the park without going through the town of <a href="/wiki/Jackson,_Wyoming" title="Jackson, Wyoming">Jackson</a>, which can be hectic in the summer time. So I don't know - I hate to make this about more then a single road in a national park, but there is an opportunity for some consensus here. - <a href="/wiki/User:CosmicPenguin" title="User:CosmicPenguin">CosmicPenguin</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:CosmicPenguin" title="User talk:CosmicPenguin">Talk</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T14:10:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T14:10:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z-Nyttend-2007-08-12T14:10:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T01:28:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z"></span>I was just there a few weeks ago in Yellowstone :) I would say that the article should stay at WY-309 and the redirect should exist. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T01:28:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T01:28:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T01:28:00.000Z-CosmicPenguin-2007-08-12T17:43:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(33)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS" data-mw-thread-id="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS-2007-08-12T23:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS-2007-08-12T23:22:00.000Z"></span>TfD nomination of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:FEUS&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:FEUS (page does not exist)">Template:FEUS</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS-2007-08-12T23:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Master_son-2007-08-12T23:22:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-33 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-33"> <p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:FEUS&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:FEUS (page does not exist)"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-12T23:22:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS"></span>Template:FEUS</a> has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:FEUS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:Templates for deletion">the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page</a>. Thank you. <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-12T23:22:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-12T23:22:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-12T23:22:00.000Z-TfD_nomination_of_Template:FEUS"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(34)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Photo_request" data-mw-thread-id="h-Photo_request-2007-08-13T01:18:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Photo_request-2007-08-13T01:18:00.000Z"></span>Photo request<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Photo_request-2007-08-13T01:18:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-13T01:18:00.000Z-Photo_request">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-34 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-34"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-13T01:18:00.000Z-Photo_request"></span>Can someone get a photo of the parkway section of <a href="/wiki/Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)" title="Interstate 35E (Minnesota)">Interstate 35E</a>, either from a car or from above? Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-13T01:18:00.000Z-Photo_request" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-13T01:18:00.000Z-Photo_request"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-13T01:18:00.000Z-Photo_request"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(35)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Major_change_to_all_project_banners" data-mw-thread-id="h-Major_change_to_all_project_banners-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Major_change_to_all_project_banners-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"></span>Major change to all project banners<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Major_change_to_all_project_banners-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T15:41:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>11 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>6 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-35 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-35"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span>All, I have created a master template that will replace all of the state level project banners. You can see the template itself at <a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1/sandbox1" title="User:Holderca1/sandbox1">User:Holderca1/sandbox1</a> and the template in use at <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Holderca1/sandbox1" title="User talk:Holderca1/sandbox1">User talk:Holderca1/sandbox1</a>. Let me know if you see any problems. There is a sample for every state, even those without a project. You can see how it handles the states without a project. Let me know what you think and I will implement. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T14:59:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"></span>Ok - after looking at it - here's a few pointers. <ul><li>what happens to the template if the task force is promoted to Subproject, or if a state without a project gets a project created? The code <b>will break</b> as it is now. After looking at the code - I find that that section of it is pretty high-maintenance.</li> <li>There's no point to identifying task force/Project. The WikiProject link redirects to the task force.</li> <li>Somehow I don't see the reason for including banners for those states without project/task force right now until the code can be streamlined to ease changes based on project existence.</li> <li>Also - in the case of OK and TX, the params programmed for those project will work. In all other cases, they will not. Use of the banner will require great care in remembering which parameters work for which state - unless all of them are set up ahead of time.</li></ul></dd> <dd><small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures" title="Wikipedia:Signatures">unsigned</a> comment added by <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son">Master son</a> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son">talk</a> • <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son">contribs</a>) </span></small> <dl><dd><ul><li>It is pretty simple actually, you just move the two-letter state abbreviation in the switch code, I could make the change in about 5 seconds.</li> <li>That was something that I just changed, doesn't matter one way or the other, just showing it is possible.</li> <li>As I mentioned in point 1, it is pretty easy to make the change, also, if a state does get a project, it will be a lot easier to change the template, than it would be to change every talk page that would fall under the new project</li> <li>Not sure what you mean, OK and TX have state specific cats, the rest feed into the main cat. All parameters work for all states.</li></ul></dd> <dd>--<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T14:59:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T14:59:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T14:59:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-10T17:31:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T14:59:00.000Z"></span>OK.</li> <li>OK.</li> <li>Quite true - so OK.</li> <li>How about the categories - state specific categories (if needed) would not be present - especially in the case of assessment. The default assessment levels are FA, A, GA, B, Start, Stub, NA and List. Needed, Template, Redirect and Disambiguation aren't used. (except where customized)</li></ul></dd> <dd>I'm all in favor of this - I just want to make sure it works correctly the first time :) <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-10T17:31:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T14:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-10T17:31:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T14:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-10T17:31:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T14:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><ul><li><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T17:40:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-10T17:31:00.000Z"></span>I didn't add any of the state specific assessment cats yet, they all would feed into the main US cat anyways to keep the assessment count accurate. It currently supports Category, Needed, and Template; not sure if the destination category exists yet.</li></ul></dd> <dd>Absolutely, I wanted to bring it here first to get more eyes on it, I think I have the kinks worked out, but you never know. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T17:40:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-10T17:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T17:40:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-10T17:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-10T17:40:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-10T17:31:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-10T20:00:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"></span>I think this new all-in-one template is pretty impressive. -- <a href="/wiki/User:KelleyCook" title="User:KelleyCook">KelleyCook</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-KelleyCook-2007-08-10T20:00:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-10T20:00:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-10T20:00:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-10T12:59:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:20:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span>Would it be possible to put the state WikiProjects, like <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_California" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject California">WikiProject California</a>, in the template? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:20:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">00:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:20:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-11T00:20:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-11T03:05:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T00:20:00.000Z"></span>Do you mean like it is on <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Texas_State_Highway_WikiProject&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Texas State Highway WikiProject (page does not exist)">Texas State Highway WikiProject</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>? If so, yeah, shouldn't be too difficult. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-11T03:05:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T00:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-11T03:05:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T00:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-11T03:05:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-11T00:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-11T03:11:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-11T03:05:00.000Z"></span>However, importances should be handled differently for the state projects, and not identical to the USRD importance assessment, as the importance to USRD and to a state WP not only can vary, but based on common practice right now, does vary. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-11T03:11:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-11T03:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-11T03:11:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-11T03:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-11T03:11:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-11T03:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-11T21:13:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-11T03:11:00.000Z"></span>Just for clarification, do you want to add a link to the state project to the template, or have it sort into the state project's assessment cats? Actually, it shouldn't vary, the importance cat is the importance to Wikipedia as a whole, and not to a certain project, at least that is how I understood it. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-11T21:13:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-11T03:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-11T21:13:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-11T03:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-11T21:13:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-11T03:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T22:36:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-11T21:13:00.000Z"></span>I know for a fact that's not how other projects handle that, instead electing to determine an article's importance based on how important it is to the topic. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T22:36:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-11T21:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T22:36:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-11T21:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-12T22:36:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-11T21:13:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T15:41:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span>Question: would AWB be okay to fix the templates? --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T15:41:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T15:41:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-13T15:41:00.000Z-Major_change_to_all_project_banners"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(36)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Fingers-of-Pyrex" data-mw-thread-id="h-Fingers-of-Pyrex-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Fingers-of-Pyrex-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/User:Fingers-of-Pyrex" title="User:Fingers-of-Pyrex">Fingers-of-Pyrex</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Fingers-of-Pyrex-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-13T10:53:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-36 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-36"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z-Fingers-of-Pyrex"></span>He's <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tennessee_State_Route_3&diff=150887369&oldid=150848391">at it again</a>; I gave him a final warning. Can I be assured of a block if he continues, or do I have to reword that to say that it's not necessarily final? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z-Fingers-of-Pyrex" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z-Fingers-of-Pyrex"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z-Fingers-of-Pyrex"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-13T10:53:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z"></span>Be assured, one will be given if it continues. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-13T10:53:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-13T10:53:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-13T10:53:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-13T09:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(37)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)" data-mw-thread-id="h-Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z"><span id="Interstate_35E_.28Minnesota.29"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)" title="Interstate 35E (Minnesota)">Interstate 35E (Minnesota)</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-14T06:42:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-37 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-37"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z-Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)"></span>Does anyone have any issues with this before I do a final check and take it to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:GAC" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:GAC">GAC</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z-Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z-Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z-Interstate_35E_(Minnesota)"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z"></span>Major cities box. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T04:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:36:00.000Z"></span>The only major city is Saint Paul. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:36:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z"></span>Oh okay. That's what I was told... --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T05:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z"></span>Explain why a box exists on its <a href="/wiki/Interstate_35W_(Minnesota)" title="Interstate 35W (Minnesota)">directional counterpart then</a>... --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-14T05:43:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-14T06:42:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z"></span>Because I haven't removed it? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-14T06:42:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-14T06:42:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-14T06:42:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-14T06:00:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(38)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability" data-mw-thread-id="h-Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability-2007-08-14T23:31:00.000Z"><span id="Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads.2FNotability"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability-2007-08-14T23:31:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Notability">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Notability</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability-2007-08-14T23:31:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T23:31:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-38 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-38"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T23:31:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability"></span>We're trying to revive the notability discussion above. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T23:31:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">23:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T23:31:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-14T23:31:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Notability"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(39)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Another_article_improved" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_article_improved-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_article_improved-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z"></span>Another article improved<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_article_improved-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-18T16:08:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>20 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-39 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-39"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span>Besides the missing shields, is there anything that should be fixed with <a href="/wiki/Interstate_27" title="Interstate 27">Interstate 27</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z-Another_article_improved" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:13:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z"></span>The second section is non-standard and has the browsing located in a weird position. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:13:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:13:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:13:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:21:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:13:00.000Z"></span>What do you mean? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:21:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:13:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:21:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:13:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:21:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:13:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:21:00.000Z"></span>The second section header isn't part of the <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:IH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:IH">WP:IH</a> standards and all browsing is restricted to either the infobox or a box at the bottom. In this case, since the route is intrastate, all browsing belongs in the infobox. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:21:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:21:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:31:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:21:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:46:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:31:00.000Z"></span>Section headers should be whatever best describes the section. Do you have a better title? The browsing is where it is because that section acts as a merge of minor routes into a more major one. <a href="/wiki/Loop_461_(Texas)" class="mw-redirect" title="Loop 461 (Texas)">Loop 461</a> redirects to that part, and someone can then easily browse to the previous or next route in the sequence. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:46:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:31:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:46:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:31:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-17T07:46:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T07:31:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:05:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:46:00.000Z"></span>TBH, I wouldn't have included that section at all. As for where the browsing is placed, to me, it looks clunky and disorganized. If I'm reading the article from top to bottom, I don't want to be interrupted by a box in mid-section. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:05:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:46:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:05:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:46:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:05:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T07:46:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T08:09:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:05:00.000Z"></span>What would you do then? That is basically all that can be written about those highways; I thought we agreed that routes like that should be merged. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-17T08:09:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T08:09:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-17T08:09:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T08:09:00.000Z"></span>I would've put them in a separate, dedicated article such as <a href="/w/index.php?title=List_of_minor_State_Highway_Loops_in_Texas&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="List of minor State Highway Loops in Texas (page does not exist)">List of minor State Highway Loops in Texas</a>, or if they're mostly minor, kept them in <a href="/wiki/List_of_State_Highway_Loops_in_Texas" class="mw-redirect" title="List of State Highway Loops in Texas">List of State Highway Loops in Texas</a>. As for the business Interstates, the same logic applies. Whether the list is configured to hold this information is another story, and if it isn't, is the problem of the list. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T08:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T08:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-17T08:09:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T08:51:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:40:00.000Z"></span>It's pointless to make one of those "list of minor" articles, since it's exactly the same as taking several articles and concatenating them. The main list cannot be configured to hold this information without being way too large. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-17T08:51:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-17T08:51:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-17T08:51:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-17T08:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-17T19:59:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span>[Indent reset]</b> I think the section should be shortened or removed from the article. As for the succession boxes, they aren't necessary. --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-17T19:59:00.000Z-Another_article_improved" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-17T19:59:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-17T19:59:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T02:56:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span>The succession boxes are necessary to preserve the browsing order. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-18T02:56:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-17T19:59:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T02:56:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-18T02:56:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-17T19:59:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T02:56:00.000Z"></span>First off, browsing order for what? Right now, it's all red links. Also, why does it need to be in the middle of the article? It should be at the bottom. I agree with TMF, however; it should be in an article like a "list of minor loops". --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T02:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T02:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T02:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-18T03:56:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z"></span>Wow. Those redlinked things a bad idea and I agree they probably need to just go away. But for now I moved them to the end of the article until a decision is made. -- <a href="/wiki/User:KelleyCook" title="User:KelleyCook">KelleyCook</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-KelleyCook-2007-08-18T03:56:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-18T03:56:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-18T03:56:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T03:53:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z"></span>Browsing for the loops. These are essentially business loops that have not been designated as such. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-18T03:53:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T03:53:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-18T03:53:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T03:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T04:02:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span>Since you guys apparently don't like merging, I've created a "perma-stub" at <a href="/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_Loop_461" class="mw-redirect" title="Texas State Highway Loop 461">Texas State Highway Loop 461</a>. I'll do the same with the other three loops. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-18T04:02:00.000Z-Another_article_improved" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T04:02:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-18T04:02:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-18T04:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T04:02:00.000Z"></span>You obviously didn't read what I wrote. First, I know what the purpose of the succession boxes are for. Second, I said that it should be merged into a "List of minor loops" article. So where do you come from saying <i>you guys apparently don't like merging</i>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-18T04:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T04:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-18T04:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T04:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-18T04:07:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T04:02:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T04:09:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T04:07:00.000Z"></span>There are too many "minor loops" for an article about them. On the other hand, almost every one fits perfectly with the highway that it's an old alignment of. But no, you're so stuck on standards that you can't see when you're wrong. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-18T04:09:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T04:07:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T04:09:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T04:07:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-18T04:09:00.000Z-Son-2007-08-18T04:07:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-18T04:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T04:09:00.000Z"></span>I don't see why you feel the need to drop, what I feel is, a personal attack. I merely made some comments about what I believe should be changed in the article. Having succession boxes in the middle of the page is simply not necessary. Put it in the infobox or at the bottom of the page. Not in the middle disrupting the flow of the article.</dd> <dd>And, if you're going to mention the loops in the article, move that section towards the bottom of the article as well, as it doesn't belong between the route description and the route history. It should be after the route history, I believe. --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-18T04:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T04:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-18T04:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T04:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-18T04:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-18T04:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span>There's already a "standard" method of incorporating browsing for former designations or former alignments for intrastate routes -- by putting the browse boxes in the infobox itself. --<a href="/wiki/User:Polaron" title="User:Polaron">Polaron</a> | <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Polaron" title="User talk:Polaron">Talk</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z-Another_article_improved" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z-Another_article_improved"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T16:08:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z"></span>I assume that was decided before redirects to sections were implemented, right? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-18T16:08:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-18T16:08:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-18T16:08:00.000Z-Polaron-2007-08-18T12:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(40)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Issues_with_{{Jct}}" data-mw-thread-id="h-Issues_with_{{Jct}}-2007-08-20T02:43:00.000Z"><span id="Issues_with_.7B.7BJct.7D.7D"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Issues_with_{{Jct}}-2007-08-20T02:43:00.000Z"></span>Issues with <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Jct" title="Template:Jct">Jct</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Issues_with_{{Jct}}-2007-08-20T02:43:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:43:00.000Z-Issues_with_{{Jct}}">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-40 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-40"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:43:00.000Z-Issues_with_{{Jct}}"></span>See <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:Jct" title="Template talk:Jct">Template talk:Jct</a>. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:43:00.000Z-Issues_with_%7B%7BJct%7D%7D" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:43:00.000Z-Issues_with_{{Jct}}"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:43:00.000Z-Issues_with_{{Jct}}"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(41)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Another_merge_issue" data-mw-thread-id="h-Another_merge_issue-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Another_merge_issue-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z"></span>Another merge issue<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Another_merge_issue-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-41 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-41"> <p><a href="/wiki/U.S._Route_51_in_Tennessee" title="U.S. Route 51 in Tennessee"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z-Another_merge_issue"></span>U.S. Route 51 in Tennessee</a> and <a href="/wiki/Tennessee_State_Route_3" class="mw-redirect" title="Tennessee State Route 3">Tennessee State Route 3</a>: should they be separate or merged? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z-Another_merge_issue" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z-Another_merge_issue"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z-Another_merge_issue"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z"></span>I say merged; the routing is nearly identical, and the locations where the routings aren't identical are fairly short (based on a cursory glance). --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T02:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(42)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Warner_Road,_Arizona" data-mw-thread-id="h-Warner_Road,_Arizona-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z"><span id="Warner_Road.2C_Arizona"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Warner_Road,_Arizona-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z"></span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Warner_Road,_Arizona&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Warner Road, Arizona (page does not exist)">Warner Road, Arizona</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Warner_Road,_Arizona-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Holderca1-2007-08-21T20:55:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>6 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-42 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-42"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span>Can anyone see a reason that this shouldn't be deleted? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-19T19:54:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z"></span>To be honest, it probably should be deleted. A shame, though. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-19T19:54:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-19T19:54:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-19T19:54:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-19T09:00:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-19T20:44:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-19T19:54:00.000Z"></span>It does assert some notability. First it is a 'major arterial road' and second it was apparently built to connect the first schools. Is that sufficient? Maybe if it meet <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:V" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:V">WP:V</a> and <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>. <a href="/wiki/User:Vegaswikian" title="User:Vegaswikian">Vegaswikian</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-19T20:44:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-19T19:54:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-19T20:44:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-19T19:54:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-19T20:44:00.000Z-Rschen7754-2007-08-19T19:54:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-19T20:44:00.000Z"></span>"Major arterial road" seems to mean a typical suburban arterial here. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-19T20:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-19T20:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-20T02:44:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-19T20:44:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-21T20:43:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span>I took it to AFD: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Warner_Road,_Arizona" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warner Road, Arizona">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warner Road, Arizona</a> --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-21T20:43:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-21T20:43:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-21T20:43:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-21T20:55:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span>It is incorrectly named, it is named like a city, state, should be at Warner Road (Phoenix, Arizona). --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-21T20:55:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-21T20:55:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-21T20:55:00.000Z-Warner_Road,_Arizona"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(43)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="I-169" data-mw-thread-id="h-I-169-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-I-169-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z"></span>I-169<span data-mw-comment-end="h-I-169-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:54:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-43 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-43"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z-I-169"></span>Before I go and remove or change all incoming links, can anybody find any reliable sources for <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interstate_169_%28Tennessee%29&oldid=122269168">Interstate 169 (Tennessee)</a> or <a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greenville_Connector&oldid=149581164">Interstate 169 (Mississippi)</a>? For the former, I found a city council meeting where the town said they wanted it and a failed state law that would have mentioned it; for the latter I couldn't find even that much. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z-I-169" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z-I-169"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z-I-169"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z"></span>Tennessee seems to be legit. Kurumi cites Tennessee Joint Resolution 512, which means at least it's seriously considered and not just some lunatic roadgeek rambling. The Mississippi one seems to fall under the latter, so I'd say unless you can dig something up I'd have that one disposed of. —<a href="/wiki/User:Scott5114" title="User:Scott5114">Scott5114</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott5114" title="User talk:Scott5114">↗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T10:19:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:54:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z"></span>It was a failed resolution; I don't think that should count as enough for an article, or we'd have many articles about things that were never considered by the state DOTs or other planning commissions. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:54:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:54:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:54:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-22T04:40:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(44)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways" data-mw-thread-id="h-Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z"></span><a href="/wiki/Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways" class="mw-redirect" title="Lists of proposed auxiliary interstate highways">Lists of proposed auxiliary interstate highways</a><span data-mw-comment-end="h-Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T18:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-44 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-44"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z-Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways"></span>Does this need to exist? Should it redirect to <a href="/wiki/List_of_auxiliary_Interstate_Highways" title="List of auxiliary Interstate Highways">List of auxiliary Interstate Highways</a>, or elsewhere? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z-Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z-Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z-Lists_of_proposed_auxiliary_interstate_highways"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T18:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z"></span>There is a list of proposed main Interstates; however, this one, as it is now, is unreferenced and poorly named and conceived. Probably best to redirect it to the main Auxiliary list for now. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T18:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T18:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-20T18:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-20T17:56:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(45)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="What_is_this_interchange_type_called?" data-mw-thread-id="h-What_is_this_interchange_type_called?-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"><span id="What_is_this_interchange_type_called.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-What_is_this_interchange_type_called?-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"></span>What is this interchange type called?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-What_is_this_interchange_type_called?-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-23T15:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-45 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-45"> <p><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=lubbock,+tx&ie=UTF8&ll=33.780217,-101.836739&spn=0.012413,0.022573&t=k&z=16&om=0"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z-What_is_this_interchange_type_called?"></span>[12]</a>: I know that this is basically a <a href="/wiki/Folded_diamond_interchange" class="mw-redirect" title="Folded diamond interchange">folded diamond interchange</a>, but the frontage roads add some complexity; does anyone know a standard way of referring to that? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z-What_is_this_interchange_type_called?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z-What_is_this_interchange_type_called?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z-What_is_this_interchange_type_called?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-23T10:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"></span>hmm - wierd - but I have no clue. <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-23T10:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-23T10:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-23T10:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-23T15:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"></span>I don't think there's a specific name for that type of interchange. It's common on I-94 in southeastern Wisconsin, and most Texas freeways. I just note that the exit leads to the frontage road, as opposed to the road mentioned on the exit directly. Both on I-27 and I-94, the frontage roads are bidirectional, since traffic volumes are light. On I-45, it's more of a local-express setup. —<a href="/wiki/User:Lpangelrob" title="User:Lpangelrob"><span style="font-variant: small-caps">Rob</span></a> <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lpangelrob" title="User talk:Lpangelrob"><span style="color:#006600; font-size:x-small;">talk</span></a><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-23T15:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-23T15:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-23T15:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:49:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(46)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Need_help_with_parser_functions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Need_help_with_parser_functions-2007-08-23T16:12:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Need_help_with_parser_functions-2007-08-23T16:12:00.000Z"></span>Need help with parser functions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Need_help_with_parser_functions-2007-08-23T16:12:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T16:12:00.000Z-Need_help_with_parser_functions">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-46 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-46"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T16:12:00.000Z-Need_help_with_parser_functions"></span>Does anyone know of a function that will check if an image exists on the commons? #ifexist: works if it is located here, but it won't work trans wikis. I am wanting to add something to <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_road" title="Template:Infobox road">Infobox road</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Jct" title="Template:Jct">jct</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> to dump the article into a cat if a shield doesn't exist. Would make it easier to create needed shields that haven't been formally requested. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T16:12:00.000Z-Need_help_with_parser_functions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T16:12:00.000Z-Need_help_with_parser_functions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T16:12:00.000Z-Need_help_with_parser_functions"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(47)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Map_parameter_in_infobox_road" data-mw-thread-id="h-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z"></span>Map parameter in infobox road<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-24T20:16:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>5 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-47 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-47"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span>Last night, I got the idea to add a preset line for maps in <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/wiki/Template:Infobox_road" title="Template:Infobox road">Infobox road</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> similar to the one present in both <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Interstate&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox Interstate (page does not exist)">Infobox Interstate</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span> and <span class="nowrap">{{</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_U.S._Route&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Template:Infobox U.S. Route (page does not exist)">Infobox U.S. Route</a><span class="nowrap">}}</span>. However, in the one for Infobox road, the size would be entered as "290x172px" - the size recommended by the Maps task force for infobox maps. It will not distort maps that are not made to that proportion; what it will do is resize the image so that it will fit within a 290x172px box. The pros to this is that it will standardize how much room is taken up vertically in infoboxes by maps and it will no longer require entering the full image markup ("[[Image:Image.png|290x172px]]"), just the file name. Cons, of course, would be converting the articles that already use infobox road and have full image markup; however, I can use AWB to fix those and would be willing to do so. Comments/thoughts? --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-15T09:50:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z"></span>Sounds fine, but the real solution is to migrate all the maps to SVG. Allowing bitmap pictures for maps that were generated from vector data was not a correct decision and is what led to this "problem". -- <a href="/wiki/User:KelleyCook" title="User:KelleyCook">KelleyCook</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-KelleyCook-2007-08-15T09:50:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-15T09:50:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-KelleyCook-2007-08-15T09:50:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T09:22:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T10:02:00.000Z-KelleyCook-2007-08-15T09:50:00.000Z"></span>What led to this problem is that the image markup wasn't coded into Infobox road like it was for the other two infoboxes. I'm not following how SVG plays <i>any</i> role in this; the markup for SVGs is the same as any other image. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T10:02:00.000Z-KelleyCook-2007-08-15T09:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T10:02:00.000Z-KelleyCook-2007-08-15T09:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-15T10:02:00.000Z-KelleyCook-2007-08-15T09:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-17T02:32:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span>For status updates regarding the conversions, see <a href="/wiki/Template_talk:U.S._Roads_WikiProject" class="mw-redirect" title="Template talk:U.S. Roads WikiProject">Template talk:U.S. Roads WikiProject</a>. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-17T02:32:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">02:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-17T02:32:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-17T02:32:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-24T20:16:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span>The change detailed above has been implemented. I'll be performing AWB runs over the next couple of days to fix the affected articles (ones using image markup). --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-24T20:16:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-24T20:16:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-24T20:16:00.000Z-Map_parameter_in_infobox_road"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(48)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="SH_cat_rename" data-mw-thread-id="h-SH_cat_rename-2007-08-25T05:54:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-SH_cat_rename-2007-08-25T05:54:00.000Z"></span>SH cat rename<span data-mw-comment-end="h-SH_cat_rename-2007-08-25T05:54:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-25T05:54:00.000Z-SH_cat_rename">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-48 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-48"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_August_25" title="Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 25"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-25T05:54:00.000Z-SH_cat_rename"></span>Rename of state highway cats</a> --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-25T05:54:00.000Z-SH_cat_rename" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-25T05:54:00.000Z-SH_cat_rename"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-25T05:54:00.000Z-SH_cat_rename"></span></li></ul> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(49)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Alaska_State_Routes_articles" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alaska_State_Routes_articles-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alaska_State_Routes_articles-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Alaska State Routes articles<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alaska_State_Routes_articles-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-26T06:35:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>3 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-49 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-49"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles"></span>Working on these before I leave, and when I get back from Alaska. There's already some great pictures for these articles, so hopefully I'll be able to add to the collection while I'm up there. There are 14 routes (<a href="/wiki/Alaska_State_Route_1" class="mw-redirect" title="Alaska State Route 1">Alaska State Route 1</a>) and about 19 named highways (<a href="/wiki/Seward_Highway" title="Seward Highway">Seward Highway</a>), and one of the problems is that any one route can be a part of any one highway at any time. </p><p>So I'm working on untangling the articles and having a base set of route articles, and a base set of highway articles. The routes would be connected by the browse box in the infobox. The named highways are connected by succession boxes. This seems to be working relatively well. </p><p>Feel free to jump in. —<a href="/wiki/User:Lpangelrob" title="User:Lpangelrob"><span style="font-variant: small-caps">Rob</span></a> <span style="font-size:x-small">(</span><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Lpangelrob" title="User talk:Lpangelrob"><span style="color:#006600; font-size:x-small;">talk</span></a><span style="font-size:x-small">)</span> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">21:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Lpangelrob-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-22T03:18:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z"></span>Already started to a point - Some of the numbered routes need to be renamed/pointed - and should be set up as disambig pages. <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-22T03:18:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-22T03:18:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-22T03:18:00.000Z-Lpangelrob-2007-08-21T21:24:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-26T06:35:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles"></span>I cleaned up <a href="/wiki/Alaska_State_Route_1" class="mw-redirect" title="Alaska State Route 1">Alaska State Route 1</a>; the other three that are not redirects are <a href="/wiki/Alaska_State_Route_2" class="mw-redirect" title="Alaska State Route 2">Alaska State Route 2</a>, <a href="/wiki/Alaska_State_Route_7" class="mw-redirect" title="Alaska State Route 7">Alaska State Route 7</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Alaska_State_Route_10" class="mw-redirect" title="Alaska State Route 10">Alaska State Route 10</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-26T06:35:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-26T06:35:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-26T06:35:00.000Z-Alaska_State_Routes_articles"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(50)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Copyright_on_highway_shields" data-mw-thread-id="h-Copyright_on_highway_shields-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Copyright_on_highway_shields-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z"></span>Copyright on highway shields<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Copyright_on_highway_shields-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-25T13:29:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>16 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-50 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-50"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span>I have created <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_on_highway_shields" title="Wikipedia:Copyright on highway shields">Wikipedia:Copyright on highway shields</a> as a page to discuss and determine the copyright status of logos for highways, mainly toll roads. Please help, especially if you are familiar with copyright law. Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">04:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-22T15:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z"></span>Not sure why you are duplicating efforts: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Shields/Database/toll_roads" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields/Database/toll roads">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields/Database/toll roads</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-22T15:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-22T15:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-22T15:48:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-22T04:25:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-22T22:38:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span>That page was somewhat dead and not set up for discussion. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-22T22:38:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-22T15:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-22T22:38:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-22T22:38:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-22T15:48:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T01:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-22T22:38:00.000Z"></span>All pages have a talk page, I don't understand what you are saying. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T01:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-22T22:38:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">01:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T01:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-22T22:38:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T01:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-22T22:38:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T03:21:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T01:14:00.000Z"></span>Yes, but it's easier to list shields and discuss them in the same place. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-23T03:21:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T01:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T03:21:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T01:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-23T03:21:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T01:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T09:41:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span>Unless anyone helps, either on this page or anywhere else (such as the image description pages, with evidence of course), I'm going to start removing the nonfree ones from everywhere but the articles about the roads themselves. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-23T09:41:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">09:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T09:41:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-23T09:41:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:41:00.000Z"></span>What evidence are you looking for, as I have said in the past, none of them have registered copyrights. In lieu of a registration you have to use your own judgment on whether the image has enough originality to be eligible for copyright. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:41:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:41:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T09:41:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-23T11:04:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z"></span>well it seems that some had evidence in the past - since they're tagged for Fair Use <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-23T11:04:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-23T11:04:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-23T11:04:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z"></span>Evidence of no copyright notice would be good. All I saw you add to <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Shields/Database/toll_roads" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields/Database/toll roads">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Shields/Database/toll roads</a> was trademark registrations. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T11:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z"></span>Master_son, just because they're FU doesn't mean that there was evidence for it. It was rather that someone thought they should be FU, and tagged them as such. Doesn't mean they really are/should be FU. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T13:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z"></span>Evidence of no copyright notice doesn't really do us much good, all that says is that they didn't register it with the copyright office. Copyright holders aren't required to register their work to enforce a copyright on it. The only way that I can think of to be sure that there is not a copyright is to email the organizations and ask. Yeah, tagging the image FU would be the default choice if you had no evidence. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T13:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T13:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T13:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:09:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T14:01:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T13:45:00.000Z"></span>Before 1989, works had to have copyright notices on them to be copyrighted. Also, works published before 1964 have had to be renewed at least once to remain copyrighted. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-23T14:01:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T13:45:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T14:01:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T13:45:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-23T14:01:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-23T13:45:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T14:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T14:01:00.000Z"></span>Okay, we need to list on that page when the shield was created. I haven't been able to find a way to link to search results (to show a negative result) at <a rel="nofollow" class="external free" href="https://www.copyright.gov/records/cohm.html">http://www.copyright.gov/records/cohm.html</a>. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T14:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T14:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T14:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T14:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-23T14:45:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T14:01:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T11:36:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span>Whatever I do, I'm going to wait until <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Copyrights#Important_question_about_copyright_notices" title="Wikipedia talk:Copyrights">Wikipedia talk:Copyrights#Important question about copyright notices</a> gets more input. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-23T11:36:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">11:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T11:36:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-23T11:36:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:36:00.000Z"></span>The page NE2 made is good. I'll do some sleuthing later on some of those and offer my input later as well. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T11:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <p><br><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-25T13:29:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span> So far, the conclusion is that all shields used before 1978 are public domain, and have been tagged with <a href="/wiki/Template:PD-Pre1978" class="mw-redirect" title="Template:PD-Pre1978">template:PD-Pre1978</a>. Shields used before 1989 are probably PD, but need a bit more research. <b>All of these - the majority of major toll roads - can be used in any article or other namespace for any purpose.</b> Shields used after 1989, unless they are very simple designs or simple modifications to older designs, are copyrighted and can only be used in the article about the highway. </p><p>If anyone knows when <a href="/wiki/File:Grand_Central_Pkwy.png" title="File:Grand Central Pkwy.png">Image:Grand Central Pkwy.png</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Maine_Turnpike_logo.gif&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Maine Turnpike logo.gif (page does not exist)">Image:Maine Turnpike logo.gif</a>, and <a href="/w/index.php?title=File:Masspike.png&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="File:Masspike.png (page does not exist)">Image:Masspike.png</a> were adopted, it would help. Also, if you know of any shields that were used before 1989 and are not on the list, please add them to the "Probably copyrighted unless expired" section. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-25T13:29:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">13:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-25T13:29:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-25T13:29:00.000Z-Copyright_on_highway_shields"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(51)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z"><span id="Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z"></span>Move <a href="/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1" title="Texas State Highway NASA Road 1">Texas State Highway NASA Road 1</a> to <a href="/wiki/NASA_Road_1" class="mw-redirect" title="NASA Road 1">NASA Road 1</a>?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T15:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>14 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-51 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-51"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?"></span>Does anybody object to this move, or can I tag the redirect with <a href="/wiki/Template:Db-move" title="Template:Db-move">Template:Db-move</a>? Everyone, even TxDOT, uses "NASA Road 1".<a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=+site%3Awww.dot.state.tx.us+%22nasa+road+1%22&btnG=Search">[13]</a> --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:35:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z"></span>I object, TXDOT uses State Highway NASA Road 1, <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.dot.state.tx.us/tpp/hwy/sh/shnasa.htm">[14]</a>. The road is officially part of the primary state highway system. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:35:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:35:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:35:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T15:56:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T17:40:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:35:00.000Z"></span>They use it in one place. They also use "Interstate Highway 45", but we go with the more common "Interstate 45". --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-24T17:40:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T17:40:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-24T17:40:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:51:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T17:40:00.000Z"></span>Interstate Highway and IH are fairly common in Texas outside of TXDOT, but to stay with the convention of the other interstates, we leave off highway. State Highway NASA Road 1 is for consistancy with other state highways. Along the lines of common usage, why is it U.S. Route 90 in Texas? Shouldn't it be U.S. Highway 90 in Texas? --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:51:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T17:40:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:51:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T17:40:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:51:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T17:40:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:01:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:51:00.000Z"></span>As you say, that's for consistency with other states. But NASA Road 1 is a special case; there's only one NASA Road, and nobody calls it State Highway NASA Road 1. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:01:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:51:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:01:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:51:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:01:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T17:51:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:04:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:01:00.000Z"></span>So are we going for consistency or common usage? What about <a href="/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_OSR" title="Texas State Highway OSR">Texas State Highway OSR</a>? --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:04:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:01:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:04:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:01:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:04:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:01:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:05:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:04:00.000Z"></span>That's in a standard State Highway shield. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:05:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:04:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:05:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:04:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:05:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:04:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:05:00.000Z"></span>So are we going for consistency or common usage? --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:05:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:05:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:05:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><i><b><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Son-2007-08-24T18:24:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z"></span>Consistency.</b></i> --<a href="/wiki/User:Son" class="mw-redirect" title="User:Son">Son</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Son-2007-08-24T18:24:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Son-2007-08-24T18:24:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Son-2007-08-24T18:24:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z"></span></dd> <dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:48:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z"></span>Common usage, since there's no consistency here. TxDOT treats it differently, with a different shield. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:48:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:48:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-24T18:48:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-24T18:12:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T19:26:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:48:00.000Z"></span>Thats the only difference, it is the same as the rest of the state highways. Also, it wouldn't be practical to squeeze NASA Road 1 all in the standard sign. So then it should also be taken out of the state highway browse order as well I imagine. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T19:26:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:48:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T19:26:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:48:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-24T19:26:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-24T18:48:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><br><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T06:35:00.000Z-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?"></span>Are we sure that it's not a computer issue that forces it to be displayed on the TxDot site as "State Highway NASA Road 1"? Maybe there's a blank where they put the route number, and so they filled in "NASA Route 1", which then the computer read as "State Highway NASA Road 1". As for browse, it would go after "O", as in "OSR", (since N follows O), which would follow the 900s. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T06:35:00.000Z-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T06:35:00.000Z-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T06:35:00.000Z-Move_Texas_State_Highway_NASA_Road_1_to_NASA_Road_1?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-25T06:35:00.000Z"></span>Why does N follow O? I don't know whether it is a computer issue or not, but it is officially a state highway. Not sure the logic behind the shield argument above, using that logic, Farm to Market Road X should be moved to Farm Road X, and Texas State Highway Loop 1 should be moved to Texas Loop 1. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-25T06:35:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-25T06:35:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-25T06:35:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T15:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z"></span>You're right; N then O. I forgot my alphabet. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T15:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T15:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-25T15:30:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-25T14:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(52)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z"></span>Minor issues with shield sizes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T15:59:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>2 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-52 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-52"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z-Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes"></span>You may have noticed that some shields are larger than they should be. Don't panic, and above all don't try to "fix" it; it was a temporary bug, and all you have to do is purge: <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#What_happened_to_image_sizing?" title="Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)">Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#What happened to image sizing?</a> --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z-Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z-Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z-Minor_issues_with_shield_sizes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T15:59:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z"></span>Yeah I noticed that, for some reason it didn't affect IE, just Firefox, not sure about other browsers. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T15:59:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T15:59:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-25T15:59:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T15:55:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(53)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?" data-mw-thread-id="h-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"><span id="Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route.3F"></span><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"></span>Alaska naming - State Route or Alaska Route?<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-27T08:04:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>11 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-53 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-53"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span>I really hate to bring this up, but I'm convinced that the naming on <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:USSH" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:USSH">WP:USSH</a> for Alaska is incorrect. The state and media normally refer to the roads by their highway names, but, when they talk about the numbers, it's almost always "Alaska Route x", abbreviated "AK-x". For example, compare Alaska state website searches for <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Astate.ak.us+%22alaska+route%22&btnG=Search">Alaska Route</a> with <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Astate.ak.us+%22state+route%22&btnG=Search">State Route</a>, and the same with several numbers and names in the media (and state laws, which also show up in the Google News search): <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22route+11%22+%22dalton+highway&btnG=Search+Archives&num=100&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8">Route 11 Dalton Highway</a> and <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22route+4%22+%22richardson+highway%22&btnG=Search+Archives&num=100&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8">Route 4 Richardson Highway</a>. The one piece of evidence for "State Route x" brought up at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2#Alaska" title="Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2">Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2#Alaska</a> - <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.dot.state.ak.us/stwdplng/highwaydata/pub/traffic/volume_data04/04cenvol_datrpt.pdf">[15]</a> - does not match the signed numbers. For example, on page 114, it lists the Glenn Highway as State Route 135000, but it's signed as Route 1. Please consider the evidence carefully before giving input, and please give evidence of the "State Route x" format if you find any. Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"></span>I was expecting a massive argument, but nobody's said anything. Is this because everybody agrees, or what? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-25T22:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-27T05:18:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span>I'm fine with Alaska Route. They have 12 articles? No biggie. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-27T05:18:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-27T05:18:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-27T05:18:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T05:27:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-27T05:18:00.000Z"></span>Ditto what MPD said. The evidence above looks legit, and I don't think anyone's going to cry foul if we get the common name wrong for Alaska. As for expecting a "massive argument"...that may have been the case if we had any Alaskan editors, but AFAIK we don't. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T05:27:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-27T05:18:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T05:27:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-27T05:18:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T05:27:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-27T05:18:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-27T05:31:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T05:27:00.000Z"></span>Concur. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-08-27T05:31:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T05:27:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-27T05:31:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T05:27:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-08-27T05:31:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T05:27:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-27T05:20:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span>(edit conflict) Maybe we don't know. I will ask, if it is wrong and no one has complained do we need to change? <a href="/wiki/User:Vegaswikian" title="User:Vegaswikian">Vegaswikian</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-27T05:20:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-27T05:20:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Vegaswikian-2007-08-27T05:20:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T05:14:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T05:53:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-27T05:20:00.000Z"></span>I just "complained", I guess. I'm currently working on Alaska articles and noticed the discrepancy. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-27T05:53:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-27T05:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">05:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T05:53:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-27T05:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-27T05:53:00.000Z-Vegaswikian-2007-08-27T05:20:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:20:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span>I've changed it, and will change the few articles in about an hour. Speak now or forever hold your peace. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:20:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:20:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:20:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span> </p><p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T07:34:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span>I need an admin to delete the <a href="/wiki/Alaska_Route_2" title="Alaska Route 2">Alaska Route 2</a> redirect so <a href="/wiki/Alaska_State_Route_2" class="mw-redirect" title="Alaska State Route 2">Alaska State Route 2</a> can be moved there. Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-27T07:34:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T07:34:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-27T07:34:00.000Z-Alaska_naming_-_State_Route_or_Alaska_Route?"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T07:34:00.000Z"></span>Done. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T07:34:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T07:34:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-27T07:34:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T08:04:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z"></span>Thank you. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-27T08:04:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">08:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T08:04:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-27T08:04:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-27T08:02:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(54)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="State_MUTCD_supplements" data-mw-thread-id="h-State_MUTCD_supplements-2007-08-27T06:48:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-State_MUTCD_supplements-2007-08-27T06:48:00.000Z"></span>State MUTCD supplements<span data-mw-comment-end="h-State_MUTCD_supplements-2007-08-27T06:48:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:48:00.000Z-State_MUTCD_supplements">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-54 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-54"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:48:00.000Z-State_MUTCD_supplements"></span>I just found a source for several state MUTCD supplements: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://dicketool.com/Links_Info/MUTCD/StatesMUTCD/">[16]</a> Maybe this will help people make accurate shields or with other things; for instance the Alaska one includes a list of routes. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:48:00.000Z-State_MUTCD_supplements" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:48:00.000Z-State_MUTCD_supplements"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-27T06:48:00.000Z-State_MUTCD_supplements"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(55)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z"></span>New book about the Pulaski Skyway<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-30T19:22:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>4 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-55 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-55"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway"></span>I noticed in my <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:AWB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:AWB">AWB</a> run that someone had added an "external link" to <a href="/wiki/Pulaski_Skyway" title="Pulaski Skyway">Pulaski Skyway</a>: "The Last Three Miles: Politics, Murder, and the Construction of America's First Superhighway" (<style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r1238218222">.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited.id-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration.id-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription.id-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg")right 0.1em center/12px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-limited a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-registration a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-subscription a,body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background-size:contain;padding:0 1em 0 0}.mw-parser-output .cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:none;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{color:var(--color-error,#d33)}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#085;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right{padding-right:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .citation .mw-selflink{font-weight:inherit}@media screen{.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme:dark){html.skin-theme-clientpref-os .mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{color:#18911f}}</style><a href="/wiki/ISBN_(identifier)" class="mw-redirect" title="ISBN (identifier)">ISBN</a> <a href="/wiki/Special:BookSources/1595580980" title="Special:BookSources/1595580980">1595580980</a>). From reading the reviews on Amazon, it seems to be a good book with more of a focus on politics than the highway. That might be good, since the current article, while featured, probably needs a rework, and concentrates almost exclusively on the highway. (It should probably include a bit more on the engineering too.) Is anyone interested in this, or should I consider it? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">10:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z"></span>Sounds like a good read. I can't afford it right now, but I would if I could. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:16:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-23T10:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T12:27:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:16:00.000Z"></span>You should try interlibrary loan, if your local library participates. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-23T12:27:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:16:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-23T12:27:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:16:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-23T12:27:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-08-23T12:16:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-30T19:22:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway"></span>I requested it, and will try to apply the "Ridge Route treatment". --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-30T19:22:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-30T19:22:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-30T19:22:00.000Z-New_book_about_the_Pulaski_Skyway"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(56)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Question_about_infoboxes" data-mw-thread-id="h-Question_about_infoboxes-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Question_about_infoboxes-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z"></span>Question about infoboxes<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Question_about_infoboxes-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:44:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>3 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>2 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-56 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-56"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z-Question_about_infoboxes"></span>I recently started using the "city1" parameter of <a href="/wiki/Template:Jct" title="Template:Jct">template:jct</a> for infoboxes, such as on <a href="/wiki/Nova_Scotia_Highway_104" title="Nova Scotia Highway 104">Nova Scotia Highway 104</a>. This is a little easier, but I realize that it provides less information than the standard in/at/near. Should I go back to the old style, or is this enough information? I think I actually have a slight preference for the word, but if you like the dash I'll keep using it. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z-Question_about_infoboxes" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z-Question_about_infoboxes"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z-Question_about_infoboxes"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z"></span>Definitely back to the old style. As you said, the dash doesn't provide nearly the amount of information as the words. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z-NE2-2007-08-29T20:33:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:44:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z"></span>OK, I'm changing to words. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:44:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:44:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-08-29T20:44:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-08-29T20:36:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(57)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Strange_category_name" data-mw-thread-id="h-Strange_category_name-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Strange_category_name-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z"></span>Strange category name<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Strange_category_name-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T07:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>8 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>5 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-57 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-57"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z-Strange_category_name"></span>Does anyone find this category to have a strange name: <a href="/wiki/Category:U.S._Highways_in_Georgia_(U.S._state)" title="Category:U.S. Highways in Georgia (U.S. state)">Category:U.S. Highways in Georgia (U.S. state)</a>? Why is Georgia have the U.S. state disamb when it already says U.S. from the start. Is anyone really going to confuse this with the country? I can't think of any United States Highways in the country. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z-Strange_category_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z-Strange_category_name"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z-Strange_category_name"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:24:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z"></span>Add this one as well <a href="/wiki/Category:Interstate_Highways_in_Georgia_(U.S._state)" title="Category:Interstate Highways in Georgia (U.S. state)">Category:Interstate Highways in Georgia (U.S. state)</a>, none of the articles of either cat have this disamb, using this logic, <a href="/wiki/Interstate_20_in_Georgia" title="Interstate 20 in Georgia">Interstate 20 in Georgia</a> should be moved to <a href="/w/index.php?title=Interstate_20_in_Georgia_(U.S._state)&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Interstate 20 in Georgia (U.S. state) (page does not exist)">Interstate 20 in Georgia (U.S. state)</a> --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:24:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:24:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:24:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:20:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-31T15:32:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:24:00.000Z"></span>Hmm baffling - someone seems to like the department of redundancy department ;) :P - and it's not me :? <a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-31T15:32:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:24:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">15:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-31T15:32:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:24:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-31T15:32:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-08-31T15:24:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-31T15:32:00.000Z"></span>Probably done for consistency, because most other things involving the state of Georgia say Georgia (U.S. state). (Note that doesn't necessarily mean I'm in favor of it. :P) —<a href="/wiki/User:Scott5114" title="User:Scott5114">Scott5114</a><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Scott5114" title="User talk:Scott5114">↗</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-31T15:32:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-31T15:32:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z-Master_son-2007-08-31T15:32:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Master_son-2007-08-31T17:15:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z"></span>It was done by bots <ul><li>Cydebot did the Interstate one on Aug 26, 2007</li> <li>RobotG (now defunct) did the U.S. Route one on Dec 1, 2007</li></ul></dd> <dd><a href="/wiki/User:Master_son" title="User:Master son"><b><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#006600;">master</span><span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: #aca607;"> son</span></b></a><sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:Master_son" title="User talk:Master son"><i>T</i></a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Master_son" title="Special:Contributions/Master son"><i>C</i></a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Master_son-2007-08-31T17:15:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">17:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Master_son-2007-08-31T17:15:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Master_son-2007-08-31T17:15:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:DAB" class="mw-redirect" title="Wikipedia:DAB"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T18:05:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z"></span>WP:DAB</a> specifically says to only disambiguate when confusion may occur. I would like to meet the person that would go in the U.S. Highways in Georgia cat looking for a road in the country. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T18:05:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">18:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T18:05:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-08-31T18:05:00.000Z-Scott5114-2007-08-31T16:50:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z-Strange_category_name"></span>I agree; there's no possibility of confusion here. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z-Strange_category_name" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">06:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z-Strange_category_name"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z-Strange_category_name"></span> </p> <dl><dd><dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T07:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z"></span>Wait wait wait...I definitely thought US 84 went through <a href="/wiki/Kutaisi" title="Kutaisi">Kutaisi</a>. Well, that ends that confusion. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T07:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">07:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T07:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T07:09:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T06:53:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(58)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="Deletion_discussions" data-mw-thread-id="h-Deletion_discussions-2007-09-01T22:00:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-Deletion_discussions-2007-09-01T22:00:00.000Z"></span>Deletion discussions<span data-mw-comment-end="h-Deletion_discussions-2007-09-01T22:00:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-09-01T22:00:00.000Z-Deletion_discussions">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-58 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-58"> <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Diamond_Bar_Crunch_Interchange" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamond Bar Crunch Interchange"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-09-01T22:00:00.000Z-Deletion_discussions"></span>Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamond Bar Crunch Interchange</a></li> <li><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Interstate_98" title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Interstate 98">Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Interstate 98</a></li></ul> <p>--<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-09-01T22:00:00.000Z-Deletion_discussions" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">22:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-09-01T22:00:00.000Z-Deletion_discussions"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-09-01T22:00:00.000Z-Deletion_discussions"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(59)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="User_list_revamp" data-mw-thread-id="h-User_list_revamp-2007-09-02T03:09:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-User_list_revamp-2007-09-02T03:09:00.000Z"></span>User list revamp<span data-mw-comment-end="h-User_list_revamp-2007-09-02T03:09:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-Rschen7754-2007-09-02T03:09:00.000Z-User_list_revamp">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>1 comment</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>1 person in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-59 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-59"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Rschen7754-2007-09-02T03:09:00.000Z-User_list_revamp"></span>Would anyone object if we combined all the participant lists for all of the U.S. Road subwikiprojects into <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Participants" title="Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Participants">Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Participants</a>? This would make it easier for maintenance and structure. --<b><a href="/wiki/User:Rschen7754" title="User:Rschen7754">Rschen7754</a></b> (<a href="/wiki/User_talk:Rschen7754" title="User talk:Rschen7754">talk</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rschen7754" title="Special:Contributions/Rschen7754">contribs</a>) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Rschen7754-2007-09-02T03:09:00.000Z-User_list_revamp" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">03:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Rschen7754-2007-09-02T03:09:00.000Z-User_list_revamp"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Rschen7754-2007-09-02T03:09:00.000Z-User_list_revamp"></span> </p> </section><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(60)"><span class="indicator mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small"></span><h2 id="New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route" data-mw-thread-id="h-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z"><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="h-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z"></span>New Mexico State Road or Route<span data-mw-comment-end="h-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z"></span></h2><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-bar"><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-metadata"><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-timestampLabel'>Latest comment: <a href="#c-NE2-2007-09-02T20:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z">17 years ago</a></span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-commentCountLabel'>7 comments</span><span class='ext-discussiontools-init-section-metaitem ext-discussiontools-init-section-authorCountLabel'>4 people in discussion</span></div><div class="ext-discussiontools-init-section-actions"></div></div></div><section class="mf-section-60 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-60"> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-Holderca1-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route"></span>It appears it should be State Route, see here <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.nmshtd.state.nm.us/main.asp?secid=10961">[17]</a> towards the bottom where there are links to each of the highway logs. --<a href="/wiki/User:Holderca1" title="User:Holderca1">Holderca1</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-Holderca1-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">12:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-Holderca1-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-Holderca1-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route"></span> </p> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-09-01T14:39:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z"></span>Did you look at the logs? The <a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://www.nmshtd.state.nm.us/upload/images/CHDB/State%20Routes.pdf">"State Routes" one</a> is very inconsistent; on the first page alone it uses "State Route NM x", "State Road NM x", and "NM x". I don't know how "State Road x" was chosen, but this isn't evidence of "State Route" being the definite style. --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-09-01T14:39:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">14:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-09-01T14:39:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-09-01T14:39:00.000Z-Holderca1-2007-09-01T12:44:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T16:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T14:39:00.000Z"></span>But so there's no evidence of "State Road" being the definite style either? Then, we need to find a source. <b>--<a href="/wiki/User:MPD01605" title="User:MPD01605"><span style="color: #000099">M</span><span style="color: #FF0000">PD</span></a><sup> <a href="/wiki/User_talk:MPD01605" title="User talk:MPD01605">T</a> / <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/MPD01605" title="Special:Contributions/MPD01605">C</a></sup></b> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T16:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T14:39:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T16:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T14:39:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-MPD01605-2007-09-01T16:11:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T14:39:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-09-01T16:15:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-09-01T16:11:00.000Z"></span>If anything, it looks like "NM x" is the most common style: <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=+site%3Anmshtd.state.nm.us+423&btnG=Search">[18]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=+site%3Anmshtd.state.nm.us+599&btnG=Search">[19]</a><a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=599+%22santa+fe+relief+route&btnG=Search+Archives&num=100&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8">[20]</a> Do we want to go Michigan and Kansas style here? "NM x (New Mexico highway)"? Or "NM x (highway)"? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-09-01T16:15:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-09-01T16:11:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">16:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-09-01T16:15:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-09-01T16:11:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-09-01T16:15:00.000Z-MPD01605-2007-09-01T16:11:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span>Using an abbreviation for the name is problematic. For a while, North Carolina articles were at "NC x" before they were moved to their current name to eliminate the awkwardness. This move did not come without discussion; the exact location(s) of it, I can't remember. Some might be found at SRNC, maybe others in the NCSH and USRD archives. --<a href="/w/index.php?title=User:TwinsMetsFan&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User:TwinsMetsFan (page does not exist)"><b><span style="color:#CC0018;">T</span><span style="color:#0000C0;">M</span>F</b></a> <sup><a href="/wiki/User_talk:TwinsMetsFan" title="User talk:TwinsMetsFan">Let's Go Mets</a> - <a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan" title="Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan">Stats</a></sup> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T16:15:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z-NE2-2007-09-01T16:15:00.000Z"></span> <dl><dd><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-09-02T20:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z"></span>I found it at <a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Part2#<New_Mexico>_State_Road_X" title="Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2">Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2#<New Mexico> State Road X</a>. Apparently the "tie-breaker" was that older signs included "State Road"; see <a rel="nofollow" class="external autonumber" href="http://mdo20.0catch.com/route/nm/nmsign.html">[21]</a>. This seems reasonable to me, though I wonder why the common name was "State Road x", not "New Mexico State Road x". --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-09-02T20:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">20:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-09-02T20:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-09-02T20:25:00.000Z-TwinsMetsFan-2007-09-02T19:26:00.000Z"></span></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl> <p><span data-mw-comment-start="" id="c-NE2-2007-09-02T19:14:00.000Z-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route"></span>Is this another case like Alaska, where nobody cares? --<a href="/wiki/User_talk:NE2" title="User talk:NE2">NE2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7#c-NE2-2007-09-02T19:14:00.000Z-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route" class="ext-discussiontools-init-timestamplink">19:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</a><span class="ext-discussiontools-init-replylink-buttons" data-mw-thread-id="c-NE2-2007-09-02T19:14:00.000Z-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route"></span><span data-mw-comment-end="c-NE2-2007-09-02T19:14:00.000Z-New_Mexico_State_Road_or_Route"></span> </p>    </section></div> <noscript><img src="https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1&useformat=mobile" alt="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;"></noscript> <div class="printfooter" data-nosnippet="">Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7&oldid=1136046971">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads/Archive_7&oldid=1136046971</a>"</div></div> 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